To take the USMLE or Not to...

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Does anybody know if it will be difficult finding a residency with only taking the COMLEX? I am hearing different things. I just want to take the COMLEX and I am not thinking about any MD-specific specialty such as anesthesiology. I am thinking EM, FP, or Peds or possibly a dual residency. Does anyone know if it is difficult to find a DO residency? What about getting an allopathic residency with only the COMLEX?

Thank You!!!🙄
 
Does anybody know if it will be difficult finding a residency with only taking the COMLEX? I am hearing different things. I just want to take the COMLEX and I am not thinking about any MD-specific specialty such as anesthesiology. I am thinking EM, FP, or Peds or possibly a dual residency. Does anyone know if it is difficult to find a DO residency? What about getting an allopathic residency with only the COMLEX?

Thank You!!!🙄

In general, if you want EM or a combined residency like EM/IM take the USMLE. FP and Peds are noncompetitive fields and accessible with the Comlex.
 
Blah. What a stupid simplified answer. 🙄 I've been playing with this idea in my head, and I've been speaking with residents and program directors and attendings throughout Philly, and here's what I've come to realize...

Take the USMLE if you feel CONFIDENT that you will score well. Being on an unquestionable even playing field with competitive MD students can fail if you don't capitalize fully on the opportunity and perform well on the USMLE. The correct answer is that most PDs in traditional DO regions are fine with the COMLEX. The military is fine with the COMLEX as well. Where you are going to run into issues is PDs that don't typically see DO applicants and therefore do not know what a COMLEX score result truly means other than the printout and score in front of them. In general, the policy goes with job apps that if you can give them a reason to exclude you, they will, so removing one variable from your application, as long as it doesn't become a weakness in your application (you can't hide your results!), is probably beneficial. However, as I've said it's regional and based on whether the hospital is historically "DO-friendly". It has less to do with the specialty per say, although if there are fewer applicants (FP, Peds, some IM) they are less likely to throw applications out.
 
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Blah. What a stupid simplified answer. 🙄 I've been playing with this idea in my head, and I've been speaking with residents and program directors and attendings throughout Philly, and here's what I've come to realize...

Take the USMLE if you feel CONFIDENT that you will score well. ...

Can doing poorly (or failing) on the USMLE hurt you for D.O. residencies? Say if you do relatively well on the COMLEX and want to apply for something like EM or Anes, will DO programs snub you for a poor USMLE score?
 
Of course it will. Make sure you take some practice tests before you actually go through with it.
 
Can doing poorly (or failing) on the USMLE hurt you for D.O. residencies? Say if you do relatively well on the COMLEX and want to apply for something like EM or Anes, will DO programs snub you for a poor USMLE score?

You could always not release your scores if they are bad. 🙂
But ofcourse that only works for DO programs, since for MD programs releasing USMLE score if you take it, is mandatory for DOs.
 
Can doing poorly (or failing) on the USMLE hurt you for D.O. residencies?

Not for D.O. residencies, as you do not have to report your USMLE score to D.O. residencies. In fact, I'd advise against sending them that information even if you do well on the USMLE.
 
Not for D.O. residencies, as you do not have to report your USMLE score to D.O. residencies. In fact, I'd advise against sending them that information even if you do well on the USMLE.

Why? Honestly, I think your posts are half-baked. You think a DO PD is going to get territorial and insulted that you're applying to MD/ACGME residencies? That's ridiculous.
 
Why? Honestly, I think your posts are half-baked. You think a DO PD is going to get territorial and insulted that you're applying to MD/ACGME residencies? That's ridiculous.

Now you are just trying to pick a fight buddy, he probably just meant don't keep them under the impression that you might apply else where while rotating at their program. I see nothing wrong in his advise seriously...
 
Why? Honestly, I think your posts are half-baked. You think a DO PD is going to get territorial and insulted that you're applying to MD/ACGME residencies? That's ridiculous.

A DO PD won't necessarily get "insulted" that you're applying MD/ACGME; but if you do well on the test the assumption might be that "well, he took that because he's applying allo match and using our interviews as a backup..." which may result in getting fewer DO interviews up front.

At any rate, I doubt you're going to get any extra credit for submitting your USMLE scores to a DO program. There's no sense in doing something that might result in shooting yourself in the foot.
 
I realize that this is anecdotal, but last week I was shadowing surgical residents in a DO program. They asked me if I was going to take the USMLE and the COMLEX and I said I wasn't yet sure. They then told me that the most competitive DO residencies that they applied to were more concerned with their USMLE score than their COMLEX score. Maybe because you don't have as many opportunities for OMM during surgery, who knows. It's just word of mouth from these guys, but I don't see a reason to not take the USMLE and potentially limit your options.
 
Dude, just take the USMLE....but only if you are damn sure you are gonna pass it.
 
In general, if you want EM or a combined residency like EM/IM take the USMLE. FP and Peds are noncompetitive fields and accessible with the Comlex.

I would say take the USMLE unless you feel that you will not be able to score at least the mean. I don't think you should necessarily base whether or not you take the USMLE on what you think you want to specialize in, because if you change you mind (which likely you will during clinical rotations) you could be limiting your options. If you can do well on it (if not sure, you can always take an NBME or two to see approximately where you would land), why not take it unless you are absolutely sure you won't need it. Also, if you are considering a top program (even in Peds & FP), take the USMLE. I get annoyed when I tell people I want to do Peds and they assume you don't even need to try to get a decent residency - competitiveness for residency spots only seems to be increasing so do your best and don't limit your options! 🙂
 
Sorry to be 'that person' but this question has been asked many many many times before. A search of old threads will be very helpful.
 
I would tell every student to take the USMLE unless they are already in love with their own schools FM, Peds, or Internal Medicine residencies and don't want to go anywhere else.
 
Most of the DOs I've talked to here matched into my allo school's residency programs with just the COMLEX. That being said, none of these residents were in the super competitive areas (ob, peds, fm, im and psych), and my city has an osteopathic school in it and our residency programs have a long history of taking students from that school. So they matched in the programs they wanted, but they might have suffered some geographic/program limitations because they didn't take the USMLE. Also, one of the LCME FM programs in town supposedly does not accept the COMLEX.

Personally if I were a DO student, I'd take the USMLE. You don't know what you'll want to apply in, and you don't know for sure where you'll want to be right now. Why close doors?
 
Each person will have different advice, if you feel you can do well on the exam, then by all means take it, it will only help you if applying allo.

I will agree with what Old Mill stated, I applied to allo EM this year and had several PD's during both interviews and my aways state that it makes their job easier when they have a USMLE score as part of your application. In fact I had 2 PD's last year tell me that when they see an application from a DO without a USMLE score, to them it meant you were not serious about an allopathic residency. While this sentiment is not universal across all PDs, the fact it is out there amongst a few and should be enough to tell you to take the exam and remove an obstacle from your path.

I also am based in a DO residency rich area and have had numerous conversations with DO PD's in multiple specialties. Here your USMLE score can help or hinder you. Some will look at a good score and not take a chance interviewing you over fear you are heading allopathic (EM PD at my base hospital), while some competitive programs (ie rads) actually use it as part of their selection process.

Take this info with a grain of salt and ultimately make the best decision for you. Email some PDs at programs you are interested in and get the answer from the horses mouth.
 
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