To those that applied to DO schools, got accepted, and are wavering....

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I think those people should have done a more thorough research about osteopathic medicine by reading books on osteopathy, reading posts on SDN, talking to a D.O., etc... instead of applying to D.O. schools, getting accepted, then posting on SDN telling us that you really don't want to become a D.O. and that you still desire to become an M.D. I think those people are doing a disservice to the profession by taking away a spot from deserving students who truly want to be a D.O. Even if you become a D.O., you probably will be embarassed about your degree, won't even promote osteopathy, and become miserable for the rest of your life. If those people totally want to become M.D.s and are not accepted to allopathic schools, then apply to Canadian, Carribean, and other medical schools in foreign countries to get your MD. The bottom line is only D.O.s and M.D.s are fully licensed physicians in America, earn the same salaries, enjoy the same privileges in the U.S., and work as a team in the health care system. What attracts many people to osteopathic medicine is D.O.s learn what M.D.s learn and in addition gain additional education/training in OMM, which provides one with an additional way to treat patients. Overall, it saddens me, and sometimes angers me to see people treat osteopathic medical schools in such a lower regard.
 
I agree with what you say about not having respect for DO schools being an antiquated and narrowminded view, but I don't agree with what you say about how people shouldn't apply to a DO school at all if they are shaky on the issue. I bet you would be hard pressed to find an osteopathic student that didn't have some reservations about going through with an osteopathic education, being concerned about the possibly ramifications of having the letters DO after their name instead of MD. Everyone applies to a safety school, and if you don't want your spot some waitlisted student will take it, the same student who would have just gotten accepted if you hadn't applied. No harm, no foul IMHO.
 
It makes me mad as well, but this is a topic that is bantered quite frequently on these boards. I would like this thread to stop as we've discussed it many, many times and lots of mixed emotions come out from all side.

What it always comes down to is that the AOA needs to advertise Osteopathy to pre-meds more. Pointing the finger at hapless pre-meds makes us look vindictive ... being the problem-solvers we are makes us look stronger. Marketing, raising awareness - these will help the osteopathic "fall-back" mentality change.

Has anyone taken the initiative to contact the AOA to find out why they continue to lay low on college campuses? I haven't (and should have, as I complain more than anyone about pre-allos) but if I get bored enough this summer I will.
 
I agree with what you said coolness. If a student gets rejected from all allopathic schools and gets only into an osteopathic school, he or she should be happy with that and accept it. They shouldn't make posts about whether they should go or not. Why did they apply in the first place if they didn't even want to go to an osteopathic school. Like you said, they should just go to the caribbean if the MD is that important to them.

Besides, for $20,000, they can get their MD by taking that class at that caribbean school. All they have to do is take online courses for a year during their 4th year of DO school and they'll graduate as a DO, MD.
 
Luck said:
Besides, for $20,000, they can get their MD by taking that class at that caribbean school. All they have to do is take online courses for a year during their 4th year of DO school and they'll graduate as a DO, MD.

Huh???????
 
(nicedream) said:
Huh???????
Here.

http://www.uhsa.ag/pstudent/four/resdt/overview.htm
If you go to tuition and fees it's about 19,250 for one year. It sounds like a good deal if you really want that MD.

As you do your rotations your 4th year at DO school or even residency, you take some online courses to get your MD concurrently.
 
specialkay said:
It makes me mad as well, but this is a topic that is bantered quite frequently on these boards.

The operative words here being "on these boards"...thank goodness these boards are not the real world. They are far from it.

In the real world...it's not being discussed much at all--not in schools, not in hospitals, not among medical colleagues from either camp. We are all too busy being medical students and and doctors to care about this nonsense.
 
Luck said:
I agree with what you said coolness. If a student gets rejected from all allopathic schools and gets only into an osteopathic school, he or she should be happy with that and accept it. They shouldn't make posts about whether they should go or not. Why did they apply in the first place if they didn't even want to go to an osteopathic school. Like you said, they should just go to the caribbean if the MD is that important to them.

Besides, for $20,000, they can get their MD by taking that class at that caribbean school. All they have to do is take online courses for a year during their 4th year of DO school and they'll graduate as a DO, MD.

I wasn't even going to bother getting involved with this, but what the hell...I'm addicted like the rest of you SDN rats. I suspect, however, that you already know the answer to your question. We apply to DO schools because we are well advised to do so, and we acknowledge that it is wiser to apply, get an acceptance, and have a couple of options when the dust settles than to be so stubborn that we must sit out another year if nothing pans out, which is by far the most excruciating part of the process.

Again, I suspect you knew the answer already.

When I got involved with my first SDN post, I don't know ~3 weeks ago or so, I was truly torn...I almost completely withdrew my acceptance. For the first time in my life, I questioned my ability to compete at this level, I felt as though my confidence was utterly shaken, and I began to fish for any other possible career interests. But alas, no such epiphany occured. Medicine is it for me.

Now, this forum helped me sift through, and validate, my emotions, concerns, and doubts. Had I not posted my reservations, I would have struggled much longer on my own, and I have no idea what the outcome would be as it stands today.

When it is widely accepted that MCAT scores predict future board success, and when no number seems too low for DO ADCOMS, it certainly raises the suspicion that you (me in this case) are the sucker. My confidence was shaken, I was very upset at what I perceived as reckless admissions tactics. But as I acknowledged in another post...I am very at ease with my decision today, and incredibly thankful that my advisor urged me to also apply DO. I am so at peace with this decision, you wouldn't even know I was the same person. For me personally, I can't put off another year when I have my shot now. I have a wife and 2 children, I have to "**** or get off the pot" as they say. The bottom line for me is to dust myself off, realize that there will be some slackers in my class who shouldn't even be there, and try to keep up with the numerous gunners that I know will be there and are way smarter than I.

At this point, its all on me and my performance (as it has been said numerous times). Do I feel overwhelming pride that I got into a DO school? No. Again, it is widely accepted that this is where a lot of us who "just want to practice medicine" go when all else fails. Of course, this is not always the case, but I dare say it is more often than not. Am I proud that I will be a medical student, able to practice medicine after passing the boards? Absolutely. Am I completely ast ease with my decision to go DO? Definitely. Will I ever look back saying "Would've, couldve, should've?" No, not I. Just waiting patiently for this MD waitlist rope to get cut for some final closure.

I know I said this in my previous post: the DO's I know are awesome, and are by far the friendliest and the most helpful physicians I have ever met. I know that once I am immersed in the DO culture at school, I'll begin to feel that pride and I just may one day become osteopathy's greatest advocate. As long as I stay on top of my game and know my stuff, no one can say anything to me anyway. I'm bigger and I'd crush 'em. Now let me get damn sleep.
 
Luck said:
Here.

http://www.uhsa.ag/pstudent/four/resdt/overview.htm
If you go to tuition and fees it's about 19,250 for one year. It sounds like a good deal if you really want that MD.

As you do your rotations your 4th year at DO school or even residency, you take some online courses to get your MD concurrently.
Your are only recognized as a "MD" in certain countries. You still will not be recognized as a MD in the States.
 
The two ends of the DO spectrum suck:

The militant DO, always yapping about "the profession", sucks.
The MD wanna-be, always worried about their image and respect, sucks.

Fortunately, most of us grow up and worry about things that matter. Or better yet, we don't worry all that much, we just go fishing or rock-climbing or something.
 
dr...dr... said:
Your are only recognized as a "MD" in certain countries. You still will not be recognized as a MD in the States.

I thought it is that you would be recongnized in all countries besides the US? Because they are listed on that international medical school database (World Health Organization (WHO)). But just for the record, I think that this Med school that is running the program is very dumb, and if a DO ever went through with this program they would be laughed apon from any normal physician.
 
I was just being bored and looking at their site. I found this.

"Accreditation is originally an American concept. Each accrediting body within the United States of America is a private association, agency, or organization. In Europe and other parts of the world, Colleges, Universities including Medical Schools are recognized and accredited by Ministries of Education, and in essence by governments. The United States Department of Education in America does not accredit a College, University or Medical School. Our institution is recognized and accredited by the Ministry of Education of the Government of Antigua and Barbuda where it is located. No United States organization like LCME (Liaison Committee on Medical Education) accredits foreign Medical Schools. However, our Institution subscribes to the recommendations of the LCME and the Council on Medical Education of the American Medical Association. Once our students passed the USMLE (United States Medical Licensing Examinations) they are equalized with those individuals who have graduated from the LCME accredited institutions in the United States. Consequently, our students are able to do their Residences and Practices in any part of the United States.

Inclusion in the World Directory of Medical Schools certifies that our Institution is recognized and accredited by our own national government as a bonafide Medical School. Consequently, our students are eligible to take the USMLE for certification in the United States."


I guess this might actually mean that the previous post I read about this topic was wrong. This quote from their web site is saying that students that pass the USMLE can get certified in any states in the US.
 
fullefect1 said:
I guess this might actually mean that the previous post I read about this topic was wrong. This quote from their web site is saying that students that pass the USMLE can get certified in any states in the US.
This is not true. Graduates from Spartan in the caribbean are not allowed to practice in some states and they passed the USMLE. Certain FMGs have to jump several hoops to practice in the US and some fail even after they passed the USMLE.
 
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