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So, Ive asked some questions here, and I really appreciate the helpful answers given. I cant seem to help shake this self doubt I keep going through. Im having a very difficult time with obtaining my BA in Psychology, my only class left is pre-algebra, in order to meet the group requirements for graduating. Im also taking pre pharmacy reqs. Im having such a hard time because I had a very horrible time in college having to do with financial aid, work, and the recent passing of my mother leaving me responsible of taking care of my siblings. Im 26 now, getting married in a year, and wanting to get into pharmacy school. I had started taking inorganic chem, pre algebra (my second time taking it), Physics, and Bio. I had to drop chem due to the courseload being too much. Now Im struggling with prealgebra. Im at the point where Im just burned out and want my BA. My fiance tells me I need to figure out what I want to do because our wedding is in a year and shes wanting to go to grad school so obviously I have to find out what pharmacy school Im going to first. I know your never too old to go back to school, but I dont wanna be in school forever. Im so bad at math, I cant seem to grasp it no matter how much time I spend on it. I have some time of math dyslexia or something. Everything else Im ok on. I can study it and it will stick. Ive done pharmaceutical math and im golden with it, its just stuff like algebra and calculus. Im gonna end up taking 2 more classes after I pass this pre-algebra just so i can get into calculus. Im really at a fork in the road, the same one I keep coming to. Is anybody else in a same situation or their just so sucky at math that pharmacy seems unattainable? Thanks. My gpa is 3.0, havent taken the pcat yet.
 
It sounds like you have your hands pretty full with the courseload you have now, it won't get any better in pharmacy school. The last thing you want to do is get in over your head and have a year or two of tuition go down the drain. If you're burned out on school already I'd really take a long time to think if this is really what you want to do or you're just doing it because you feel like you're being pressured to.

But to answer the question of age? Don't worry about it.
 
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It sounds like you have your hands pretty full with the courseload you have now, it won't get any better in pharmacy school. The last thing you want to do is get in over your head and have a year or two of tuition go down the drain. If you're burned out on school already I'd really take a long time to think if this is really what you want to do or you're just doing it because you feel like you're being pressured to.

But to answer the question of age? Don't worry about it.

I see, thanks for replying. DO you think you could describe the courseload your taking? Are you working as well? I honestly have passion for pharmacy. Its just, the prereqs are so dreadfully uninteresting. I handled a heavy courseload for my psychology ba and handled it no problem only because I was so interested in the content.
 
The classes the first 2 years are mostly less then exciting (a lot like pre-reqs) and there's always at least 19 hours a semester, I had between 19-26. This is at UK mind you but most schools would be pretty similar. I work 15ish hours/wk but my bosses were pretty flexible so if I was getting slammed with a project or whatever they would usually let me off no problem. If you're truly commited and interested go for it.
 
Have you sought outside instruction regarding your math skills? What pharmacy schools would you be looking at applying to?

Yeah Ive tried the resources available to me at school for math. I also freak out on tests whcih doesnt help when I have 80-100%% on all my hw and then exam scores below 50%. Ive looked into Wayne State Univerisity's pharm school, Im currently an undergrad there. U of M, Ferris State, theres some in California Ive looked into as well as Boston.

Anybody else go to wayne? It sucks right? They make it as hard as they possibly can on you, and I dont mean academically. With all the administrative BS, spikes in tuition EVERY semester as well as super high parking costs. Not to mention campus security is for shyt. Someone gets raped and robbed nearly every couple days ON CAMPUS. I hate WSU.
 
how have you guys/gals come to the conclusion that pharmacy is what you want to do? Ive been a CPht since 2002. Originally started as prepharmacy, switched to psychology, then came back to pharmacy after every pharmacist I met said I would make a great pharmacist. Ive done plenty of community service like holding health seminars at senior homes and such, worked in every pharmacy setting there is. It feels like Ive been in school forever man. I even had to skip a full year of college because financial aid would giv me money. Perhaps I need a therapist? LOL. Sometimes pharmacy is whatI want to do and Im gung ho for it, then Im like on the fence about it.
 
how have you guys/gals come to the conclusion that pharmacy is what you want to do? Ive been a CPht since 2002. Originally started as prepharmacy, switched to psychology, then came back to pharmacy after every pharmacist I met said I would make a great pharmacist. Ive done plenty of community service like holding health seminars at senior homes and such, worked in every pharmacy setting there is. It feels like Ive been in school forever man. I even had to skip a full year of college because financial aid would giv me money. Perhaps I need a therapist? LOL. Sometimes pharmacy is whatI want to do and Im gung ho for it, then Im like on the fence about it.

Being bad at basic math will be hard for you, especially in General Chemistry, where something as simple as PV=nRT solving for one unknown will be a real trial, or even balancing an equation to find empirical formula... If you simply cannot clear that hurdle, maybe you should consider an MFT (Master's in Marriage and Family Therapy) or an MSW (Master's in Social Work) program, bridging your B.A. in Psychology.

TO address your age... It is not a problem. I am 28 this year, and I have undergraduate education in Psychology as well. In fact, in 2004 prior to my enlistment in the Army (Trying to figure out what the hell I need to do with my life), I was all set for an Experimental Psychology-track Ph.D at UC Davis. I broke up with my girlfriend and I decided I needed a change - A big change. And thus the Army. I got out last year and started poking around... Turns out linguistics doesn't really pay that much unless you're willing to be a government drone and live/work in Washington D.C., so my Army training wasn't help to employment. So, I kept looking... And I decided to go with my prior education, and snag a certificate (Which can later become a license) as a California Drug and Alcohol Abuse counselor (CDAC). In my very first semester in that program, I had a pharmacology class and absolutely fell in love with it. I loved mechanics of action, I loved the brief bit of pharmacokinetics we got, I loved it all. I found this forum through a Google search and never looked back...

I was always really bad at math and science, too. The difference was, for me, the only reason I was bad at it was because I ran away from it for so long. I had some strange mental blocks... And once those were cleared, I was on my way.

So, I guess I should say... you need a Plan B. If you're struggling, and I mean STRUGGLING, at basic mathematics like pre-algebra, Calculus I (And II at some schools...) will be impossible. Additionally, there are a lot of things in other science classes, notably Physics, that can't just be memorized. Sure, Biology and even A&P has a ton of memorization... NO doubt. But a good professor will nail you every time you just memorize things (I remember a question on my A&P final regarding the left coronary artery and the circumflex artery, and it flubbed 3/4 of the class because they had just memorized the (R) coronary A. and didn't even bother to check that the (L) was much shorter and that indeed the circumflex A. was actually where the (R) Coronary A. was on the other side...) so your ability to have something stick by memorizing won't be the best attribute to rely on.

You need to figure out why you're doing something. You are rushed into this decision because your S.O. wants to go to graduate school. Fair enough, I'm in a bit of a predicament also with my wife's law school plans (Like if she gets accepted to Boston and I didn't even apply to MCPHS this year...) but I know what I am going to do regardless. If she goes to Columbia and I go to UCSF, well, that's 3/4 years we'll be flying back and forth on weekends and spending holidays together... And we're ready to make that determination. It doesn't seem, to me, as an impartial observer on an internet message board, that you and your S.O. are/would be ready to make that choice... Even if you know where you can apply, it doesn't mean your S.O. will be a "good fit" for whatever program she's going into. I had stellar grades from both Stanford and UC Davis and awesome GRE subject/general scores and yet, I was denied by 13 Ph.D programs that I applied to back in 2003/2004. Why? Not because I didn't have the sterling academic record I needed... No, not at all. Because I wasn't a "good fit" - What I wanted to study (The whole point of graduate school in 9 out of 10 programs...) simply wasn't what their grant money was lined up for, and no PoI wanted me.

These are tough issues. You both need to resolve them. You know you want to be a pharmacist. But you also "don't wanna be in school..." forever, I think you said. Well, you seem conflicted. I know "forever" is hyperbole but ~4 years out of the next ~50 years you have on this planet is inconsequential at best if it's really, really what you want to do.

But my question to you is: Is it really? Would you be willing to sacrifice your relationship (To some extent, distance does strain ANY relationship) in order to pursue this goal of becoming a pharmacist?
 
how have you guys/gals come to the conclusion that pharmacy is what you want to do? .

I bought a magic eight ball and asked "should I become a pharmacist?" It said "Definitely". The rest is history.
 
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Being bad at basic math will be hard for you, especially in General Chemistry, where something as simple as PV=nRT solving for one unknown will be a real trial, or even balancing an equation to find empirical formula... If you simply cannot clear that hurdle, maybe you should consider an MFT (Master's in Marriage and Family Therapy) or an MSW (Master's in Social Work) program, bridging your B.A. in Psychology.

TO address your age... It is not a problem. I am 28 this year, and I have undergraduate education in Psychology as well. In fact, in 2004 prior to my enlistment in the Army (Trying to figure out what the hell I need to do with my life), I was all set for an Experimental Psychology-track Ph.D at UC Davis. I broke up with my girlfriend and I decided I needed a change - A big change. And thus the Army. I got out last year and started poking around... Turns out linguistics doesn't really pay that much unless you're willing to be a government drone and live/work in Washington D.C., so my Army training wasn't help to employment. So, I kept looking... And I decided to go with my prior education, and snag a certificate (Which can later become a license) as a California Drug and Alcohol Abuse counselor (CDAC). In my very first semester in that program, I had a pharmacology class and absolutely fell in love with it. I loved mechanics of action, I loved the brief bit of pharmacokinetics we got, I loved it all. I found this forum through a Google search and never looked back...

I was always really bad at math and science, too. The difference was, for me, the only reason I was bad at it was because I ran away from it for so long. I had some strange mental blocks... And once those were cleared, I was on my way.

So, I guess I should say... you need a Plan B. If you're struggling, and I mean STRUGGLING, at basic mathematics like pre-algebra, Calculus I (And II at some schools...) will be impossible. Additionally, there are a lot of things in other science classes, notably Physics, that can't just be memorized. Sure, Biology and even A&P has a ton of memorization... NO doubt. But a good professor will nail you every time you just memorize things (I remember a question on my A&P final regarding the left coronary artery and the circumflex artery, and it flubbed 3/4 of the class because they had just memorized the (R) coronary A. and didn't even bother to check that the (L) was much shorter and that indeed the circumflex A. was actually where the (R) Coronary A. was on the other side...) so your ability to have something stick by memorizing won't be the best attribute to rely on.

You need to figure out why you're doing something. You are rushed into this decision because your S.O. wants to go to graduate school. Fair enough, I'm in a bit of a predicament also with my wife's law school plans (Like if she gets accepted to Boston and I didn't even apply to MCPHS this year...) but I know what I am going to do regardless. If she goes to Columbia and I go to UCSF, well, that's 3/4 years we'll be flying back and forth on weekends and spending holidays together... And we're ready to make that determination. It doesn't seem, to me, as an impartial observer on an internet message board, that you and your S.O. are/would be ready to make that choice... Even if you know where you can apply, it doesn't mean your S.O. will be a "good fit" for whatever program she's going into. I had stellar grades from both Stanford and UC Davis and awesome GRE subject/general scores and yet, I was denied by 13 Ph.D programs that I applied to back in 2003/2004. Why? Not because I didn't have the sterling academic record I needed... No, not at all. Because I wasn't a "good fit" - What I wanted to study (The whole point of graduate school in 9 out of 10 programs...) simply wasn't what their grant money was lined up for, and no PoI wanted me.

These are tough issues. You both need to resolve them. You know you want to be a pharmacist. But you also "don't wanna be in school..." forever, I think you said. Well, you seem conflicted. I know "forever" is hyperbole but ~4 years out of the next ~50 years you have on this planet is inconsequential at best if it's really, really what you want to do.

But my question to you is: Is it really? Would you be willing to sacrifice your relationship (To some extent, distance does strain ANY relationship) in order to pursue this goal of becoming a pharmacist?

Thanks very much, I found your reply very insightful. I also made an appointment with a career counseler at my school for some extra guidance. Thanks though, i def have more thinking to do.
 
At 26 you are 8 years younger than I am. I am just now starting my first year (a 3P) in pharmacy school. You have plenty of time to REALLY figure out what you want to do and still have a head start on myself who will graduate with my PharmD when I am 38. Good luck with you endeavors I can truly appreciate not knowing "what you want to be when you grow up". After all, I figured it out when I was almost 33 years old.
 
I know there are some pharmacy students who are in their 40's at Oregon State, so age shouldn't be a barrier for you. I can't speak from experience since I'm under the average age, but like others have said, make sure it's something you really want to do.
 
I see, thanks for replying. DO you think you could describe the courseload your taking? Are you working as well? I honestly have passion for pharmacy. Its just, the prereqs are so dreadfully uninteresting. I handled a heavy courseload for my psychology ba and handled it no problem only because I was so interested in the content.


Well, if you find prereqs dreadfully uninteresting :laugh: - you will really have to consider seriously attending pharmacy school. I honestly suggest shadowing a pharm student and maybe attending a few lectures.

The first two years are esentially pre-reqs all over, just taken up a a notch at a higher level. I mean there is anatomy, all kinds of chemistry both organic and physical, biochemistry, a bunch of mathy calculations classes and etc.

Respectfully, I would question why someone who doesn't find those classes fascinating and mind blowingly interesting wants to go school where curriculum is esentially structured around those subjects.

In short: your age is not concerning, but look more carefully before comitting to applying what pharmacy school is like.
 
They should sticky one of these "am I too old" threads.

OP: You need to own those fractions and negative integers son. Spank that long division's boody and say "who yo daddy be?"
 
Well, if you find prereqs dreadfully uninteresting :laugh: - you will really have to consider seriously attending pharmacy school. I honestly suggest shadowing a pharm student and maybe attending a few lectures.

The first two years are esentially pre-reqs all over, just taken up a a notch at a higher level. I mean there is anatomy, all kinds of chemistry both organic and physical, biochemistry, a bunch of mathy calculations classes and etc.

Respectfully, I would question why someone who doesn't find those classes fascinating and mind blowingly interesting wants to go school where curriculum is esentially structured around those subjects.

In short: your age is not concerning, but look more carefully before comitting to applying what pharmacy school is like.

I hate math, as Ive stated before but thats not what drove me to pharmacy, rather pharmacology is what attracted me so much. I love studying medicine and how it works and to me, becoming a pharmacist was much more lucrative than a biochemist of some sort. Thanks though.
 
I hate math, as Ive stated before but thats not what drove me to pharmacy, rather pharmacology is what attracted me so much. I love studying medicine and how it works and to me, becoming a pharmacist was much more lucrative than a biochemist of some sort. Thanks though.

Math is an extremely crucial component to chemistry, and without being comfortable with it, you'll find even basic Inorganic extremely challenging. And that's what Cheb is getting at... If you're failing at pre-algebra, you're going to be sunk before you even begin at Trigonometry or worse, Calculus.

Pre-algebra is just cross-multiplying fractions and solving 5X = 30...

BTW, for biochemistry degree at UCD, the students had to take a full 2 years of Calculus and Linear Algebra as well as Calculus-based Physics and Bridge to Abstract Mathematics. very tough stuff, and not for someone who can't pass pre-algebra (and hates it to boot).

Think long and hard about what you're setting out to do. If you're doing it with dollar signs in your eyes (sounds like it) you're gonna be in trouble.
 
Math is an extremely crucial component to chemistry, and without being comfortable with it, you'll find even basic Inorganic extremely challenging. And that's what Cheb is getting at... If you're failing at pre-algebra, you're going to be sunk before you even begin at Trigonometry or worse, Calculus.

Pre-algebra is just cross-multiplying fractions and solving 5X = 30...

BTW, for biochemistry degree at UCD, the students had to take a full 2 years of Calculus and Linear Algebra as well as Calculus-based Physics and Bridge to Abstract Mathematics. very tough stuff, and not for someone who can't pass pre-algebra (and hates it to boot).

Think long and hard about what you're setting out to do. If you're doing it with dollar signs in your eyes (sounds like it) you're gonna be in trouble.

That's exactly what I'm getting at - I have little pharmacy experience, so by no means I am an expert - but strictly from a curriculum point of view - math and problem solving skills are crucial and heavily emphasized. They are part of the training, so I presume they are being taught to us because we might use them in our careers.

Here is the rough layout of all the mathy courses in our first quarter:

- pharmaceutical calculations class and you have to make 90 % in the class to pass it.
- Physical chemistry is heavily math based. It's beyond the level of calculus 2 and you have to be math comfortable to survive that class.
- Biopharmaceutics significantly relies on math and calculations as well.
- Biostatistics - this is a math core by definittion

I'm not saying you have to love math necesserily, but at least be good at it or be prepared for it. That's exactly why I posted I think you should explore this path more - because if you find pre-reqs dreadful, the actual schooling itself will be even more dreadful and a hundred times more stressful. Plus you'll be surrounded by science-minded and science-loving people, so you might feel out of place.
 
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I hate math, as Ive stated before but thats not what drove me to pharmacy, rather pharmacology is what attracted me so much. I love studying medicine and how it works and to me, becoming a pharmacist was much more lucrative than a biochemist of some sort. Thanks though.

HATE math + want lucrative career = look into dentistry or Law. You don't have to love math as a pharmacist but you have to be damn good at it to do your job!
 
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Well you should do it MORE OFTEN then! 😛

But anyways, I wasn't trying to be mean to the OP but if money is the only thing that matters, then dentistry is the BEST field to go into. :laugh: People that LOVE $ above all else, usually go into dentistry and there is nothing wrong with that. :laugh:
 
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