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you guys hear about the high school junior who is going to skip the senior year of high school to play ball in europe?

what would you do? college or play pro ball abroad, get paid
 
witness23 said:
you guys hear about the high school junior who is going to skip the senior year of high school to play ball in europe?

what would you do? college or play pro ball abroad, get paid
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If I was good enough to be a one-and-done kid, I'd just go pro, play in Europe for a year or two, then come back and get drafted. What's the point of going to college if you're going to leave for the NBA after your freshman year?

But I would finish high school first, at the very least..
 
Qualifications for an activity to be defined as a sport:

1. organized competion...there is a winner and a loser determined by a point system

2. some type of physical activity

3. targets and/or an end point

4. strategy and skill

5. referees/judges


Here's an example of sport vs non-sport:

So some would argue bass fishing is not a sport! And when someone is fishing leisurely to simply bring dinner home for the family IT IS NOT A SPORT even though physical exertion and strategy (to an extent) is necessary to catch the fish. However, when a competition is organized where a point system is utilized to determine a winner and judges are present to oversee the progress of the event, then it becomes a sport!


And to those who think golf is NOT a sport: you must SUCK at it!:meanie:
 
Are Triathlons a sport?...Decathlons?

You could make an argument that the elite in those two "activities" are the best athletes in the world.
 
riceman04 said:
Qualifications for an activity to be defined as a sport:

1. organized competion...there is a winner and a loser determined by a point system

2. some type of physical activity

3. targets and/or an end point

4. strategy and skill

5. referees/judges


Here's an example of sport vs non-sport:

So some would argue bass fishing is not a sport! And when someone is fishing leisurely to simply bring dinner home for the family IT IS NOT A SPORT even though physical exertion and strategy (to an extent) is necessary to catch the fish. However, when a competition is organized where a point system is utilized to determine a winner and judges are present to oversee the progress of the event, then it becomes a sport!


And to those who think golf is NOT a sport: you must SUCK at it!:meanie:
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There are referees in golf? What for?
 
ChubbyChaser said:
Are Triathlons a sport?...Decathlons?

You could make an argument that the elite in those two "activities" are the best athletes in the world.
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idk. the only problem with those is that (i think) the same person usually doesn't dominate like tiger does. you can say lance, but he really takes one event and he probably cheated.

tiger, lebron, errrrrrr idk
 
most entertaining/freakish athlete: lebron
most successful: tiger
i would like to meet: mike tyson
 
witness23 said:
idk. the only problem with those is that (i think) the same person usually doesn't dominate like tiger does. you can say lance, but he really takes one event and he probably cheated.

tiger, lebron, errrrrrr idk
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Because its that much harder too, and requires you to bring your A game each and every race.
 
ChubbyChaser said:
Are Triathlons a sport?...Decathlons?

You could make an argument that the elite in those two "activities" are the best athletes in the world.
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of course they are...see above

and anyone who thinks otherwise must be a sedentary artist who colors tile pieces red and blue, organizes them into a line, and then calls that BS "modern art"

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ChubbyChaser said:
Are Triathlons a sport?...Decathlons?

You could make an argument that the elite in those two "activities" are the best athletes in the world.
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Of course. It fulfills all the definitions that riceman posted a few posts ago. Even the judges bit is there, with the race course chaperones and officials who take care of the timing. There are also timing chips that runners wear to make sure they aren't cheating and to accurately measure their actual time (at least, for foot races)
 
Amph has taken a very pro-golf approach. Idk if it is some sort of self-justification or a personal crusade, but I do know that it is, by 67 billion light years, the most boring thing to watch on TV. Not the most boring sport, the most boring thing. I would rather watch the shopping channel in slow motion.
 
chessknt87 said:
Amph has taken a very pro-golf approach. Idk if it is some sort of self-justification or a personal crusade, but I do know that it is, by 67 billion light years, the most boring thing to watch on TV. Not the most boring sport, the most boring thing. I would rather watch the shopping channel in slow motion.
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wow no way!
 
Haha I'm just saying. Yes, I've played golf my whole life. I admit that I've gotten into this argument with my friends countless times (does it show? 🙂). I'll put it this way, if you play it competitively as I have, you would see that golf is very much a sport.

That being said, how about those news rankings?
 
amph119 said:
Haha I'm just saying. Yes, I've played golf my whole life. I admit that I've gotten into this argument with my friends countless times (does it show? 🙂). I'll put it this way, if you play it competitively as I have, you would see that golf is very much a sport.

That being said, how about those news rankings?
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totally agree!!!

I grew up playing several sports, but golf has ALWAYS been the most difficult to maintain at a high skill level if I did not practice ALOT!!!!
 
So weird. I just clicked on this 6th page, and you guys are talking about what constitutes a sport. And I thought the thread was about med school rankings.:laugh:
 
MrBurns10 said:
So chess is a sport? Checkers? HALO on XBOX Live?

I am not a golfer, but it's a sport by pretty much any measure.
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Halo is certainly a sport.
- Followed by ESPN
- Chicks get all moist and stuff over guys who play it good
- Sponsored players
- Competitive play against a wicked ton of noobs
- Strategic elements for superior pwnage
- Strenuous, coordinated thumb movements are crucial
- Physical training and mental conditioning are key to focus on the game, rather than the rapidly growing decubitous ulcers on your rear
- Emotional (and perhaps sexual) climax after making like ridiculous headshots from like across the map
 
LOL I love how this thread had turned out.

Duke is terrible at football, don't even try to deny it. Traditional doormat of the NCAA. I'm also not even sure WashU has sports... are they Division I?

As for that guy going to NBA Europe - he NEVER would have gone if he was worth anything in the states (endorsements, anyone? Just think of my man Lebron...)

I love all the Tiger talk... greatest athlete, most well known... does no one here remember what Jordan was? A mega-star in a sport that appealed to almost everyone?
Plus UNC just won a national championship in Basketball... how many people watched Stanford win one in one of their sports (recently) on TV? Oh wait... those sports aren't televised nationally!

EDIT: As for NASCAR, TV does not do it justice. It is absolutely unbelievable to see it in person. As cited earlier, those events are among the most watched in the US. But, given the clear west coast bias of SDN, I wouldn't expect anyone here to understand that!!
 
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ButImLETired said:
I thought about that, and I think it probably has to do with how new the med school component is and how few people go there. As far as "reputation" is concerned, I'm sure they can't compete with big powerhouses like Hopkins or Harvard.
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Haha Mayo is one of the best medical centers in the world. It's med school has plenty enough rep, maybe not on USN&WR, but definitely in the world of medicine.
 
flaahless said:
Haha Mayo is one of the best medical centers in the world. It's med school has plenty enough rep, maybe not on USN&WR, but definitely in the world of medicine.
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agreed.

saudi arabian royalty fly to mayo to get their annual physicals.

they rent out an entire floor of the hotel, come with their own chefs, guards, etc, and fly straight from saudi to rochester MN. And lots of $$$$

nuff said.
 
SDN2013 said:
agreed.

saudi arabian royalty fly to mayo to get their annual physicals.

they rent out an entire floor of the hotel, come with their own chefs, guards, etc, and fly straight from saudi to rochester MN. And lots of $$$$

nuff said.
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I dont really use SA to gauge anything, let alone health care quality. Not that Mayo is bad.
 
AdmiralChz said:
LOL I love how this thread had turned out.

Duke is terrible at football, don't even try to deny it. Traditional doormat of the NCAA. I'm also not even sure WashU has sports... are they Division I?

As for that guy going to NBA Europe - he NEVER would have gone if he was worth anything in the states (endorsements, anyone? Just think of my man Lebron...)

I love all the Tiger talk... greatest athlete, most well known... does no one here remember what Jordan was? A mega-star in a sport that appealed to almost everyone?
Plus UNC just won a national championship in Basketball... how many people watched Stanford win one in one of their sports (recently) on TV? Oh wait... those sports aren't televised nationally!

EDIT: As for NASCAR, TV does not do it justice. It is absolutely unbelievable to see it in person. As cited earlier, those events are among the most watched in the US. But, given the clear west coast bias of SDN, I wouldn't expect anyone here to understand that!!
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TV doesn't do it justice because the race looks like an instant reply... 500 times in a row. Driving in a oval gets boring quickly.

As far as a sport goes... nothing beats Global Guts on old school Nickelodeon. Anyone remember the Super Aggro Crag?

d-d-Do you have it?
 
SDN2013 said:
agreed.

saudi arabian royalty fly to mayo to get their annual physicals.

they rent out an entire floor of the hotel, come with their own chefs, guards, etc, and fly straight from saudi to rochester MN. And lots of $$$$

nuff said.
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And UAE is funding a new hospital for Hopkins opening in 2011.
I'd rather be a Dubai Playboy than one in Riyadh.
 
Azadre said:
And UAE is building a new hospital for Hopkins.
I'd rather be a Dubai Playboy than one in Riyadh.
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no one is knocking off jhop. we are discussing mayo. mayo has some major donors from the oil countries, I forget which ones.
 
wow, I came back from a long day and saw that this thread exploded... with a bunch of sports arguing. 🙂 haha. Well, that's how it goes.

Who were some of the biggest jumpers this time around? I remember NYU jumped quite a bit, Dartmouth fell, Chicago jumped three spots (in the teens, that's a lot), Case dropped and Boston jumped (guess they don't know about the recent news) 😀Rochester jumped quite a bit, Ohio State made another jump up, UT San Antonio jumped on the rankings and joined Houston in moving up a bit, and Baylor fell quite a bit.

So who jumped the most, and who fell the most?
 
ButImLETired said:
I thought about that, and I think it probably has to do with how new the med school component is and how few people go there. As far as "reputation" is concerned, I'm sure they can't compete with big powerhouses like Hopkins or Harvard.
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The hospital is over 100 years old and the medical school is 37 years old. They are also the most selective school in the US (<2% that apply get in).

Sure, it is newer than Harvard, Hopkins, Penn, etc. but it isn't like it started in the 90's.
 
Whoa, I definitely wasn't dissing Mayo, I'd give up a limb to work there, don't get me wrong. Mayo the institution is as badass as a hospital comes. I just speculated that since the med school is so teeny and they are so particular about the people they accept (not necessarily "the best" at research or whatever, just a really interesting group of people) and it's RELATIVELY new compared to some of the bigger University-based schools, in terms of its reputation it might not spring to mind right away as number one as quickly as, say, Hopkins. I'm definitely not saying that means that the students there get lesser training, cause I think that's one of the best schools out there, I'm just saying that in terms of pure reputation with PD's, it doesn't really surprise me that they wouldn't think of it. Hell, most of them probably have never even had one of their grads.

Anyway, why do YOU guys think it has a relatively low PD reputation score if, by all accounts, it's the bestest school ever?
 
I looks like Utah fell out of Top 50. Miami moved up to 51. And what happened to UT Galveston?
 
Azadre said:
And UAE is funding a new hospital for Hopkins opening in 2011.
I'd rather be a Dubai Playboy than one in Riyadh.
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Haha, another interesting factoid is that they're building one for Cleveland Clinic in Abu Dhabi, UAE. Weird isn't it? Got to cater to those oil sheiks and their playboy offspring, I guess. 😉
 
Two years ago at this time I asked how some places with great hospitals etc and great reps that are very selective (Mayo) can be ranked low. I was told that in general, some medical schools are "partners" with hospitals while others "own" their hospitals. The difference I was told was that partners dont have any of that grant money counted toward rankings, even though the way the partnership usually works is that those hospitals have attendings teaching their students.

Someone asked me about this the other day. I wasnt quite sure what to reference. Any idea what this deal is and where this info is?

Thanks
 
physiologyguy said:
Two years ago at this time I asked how some places with great hospitals etc and great reps that are very selective (Mayo) can be ranked low. I was told that in general, some medical schools are "partners" with hospitals while others "own" their hospitals. The difference I was told was that partners dont have any of that grant money counted toward rankings, even though the way the partnership usually works is that those hospitals have attendings teaching their students.

Someone asked me about this the other day. I wasnt quite sure what to reference. Any idea what this deal is and where this info is?

Thanks
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I don't know that that's true cause that's precisely how Harvard has more than twice as much money as the second school. Harvard doesn't have its own hospitals per se (no "Harvard medical center") but they are affiliated "Partners healthcare", which is basically a huge conglomerate of hospitals like Brigham & Women's, Boston Children's, MGH, Beth Israel, yadda yadda.
 
AdmiralChz said:
Sheesh... since when is #25 low??
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Since it is discussed on SDN.

Rankings tell you little more than how competitive the admissions are at different schools, and even then it is not absolute for any individual. In other words, #3 may not be tougher than #19 for an individual applicant for a variety of reasons.

But in general, if you have OK stats and a decent profile, if of the 20 schools you apply to, 18 of them are in the Top 20, you may have a little trouble...I use the rankings as a gauge on how broad my app list is...for all but the superstars, the typical applicant should have plenty of target schools that don't make it on this list.
 
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ButImLETired said:
Whoa, I definitely wasn't dissing Mayo, I'd give up a limb to work there, don't get me wrong. Mayo the institution is as badass as a hospital comes. I just speculated that since the med school is so teeny and they are so particular about the people they accept (not necessarily "the best" at research or whatever, just a really interesting group of people) and it's RELATIVELY new compared to some of the bigger University-based schools, in terms of its reputation it might not spring to mind right away as number one as quickly as, say, Hopkins. I'm definitely not saying that means that the students there get lesser training, cause I think that's one of the best schools out there, I'm just saying that in terms of pure reputation with PD's, it doesn't really surprise me that they wouldn't think of it. Hell, most of them probably have never even had one of their grads.

Anyway, why do YOU guys think it has a relatively low PD reputation score if, by all accounts, it's the bestest school ever?
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It is a good question, and there is no clear-cut answer. You're probably right about the grads being somewhat of a rarity. Since Mayo selects many of its own for residency, only ~60% of the class even goes elsewhere which equates to 30 people per year...

Plus their research funding is #20 on the NIH ranking (168M), which is good, but probably detracts from them getting a higher score when Hopkins gets over 2x that amount (422M). Surprisingly, Harvard Medical School is ranked #21 in research, because I imagine the NIH ranking doesn't combine all of their affiliated hospitals like US News does.

I doubt the PD score is due to a lack of research, though. Mayo provides a 13 week research quarter during 3rd year where most students ( get published.

I think it's the "bestest school ever" for me, but I'm very biased.
 
physiologyguy said:
Two years ago at this time I asked how some places with great hospitals etc and great reps that are very selective (Mayo) can be ranked low. I was told that in general, some medical schools are "partners" with hospitals while others "own" their hospitals. The difference I was told was that partners dont have any of that grant money counted toward rankings, even though the way the partnership usually works is that those hospitals have attendings teaching their students.

Someone asked me about this the other day. I wasnt quite sure what to reference. Any idea what this deal is and where this info is?

Thanks
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Wouldnt this also apply to Cornell? I was told that their affiliations with Rockefeller Institute and MSK are not included in the rankings.
 
Any idea why GWU is not on the list? It seems to be a popular school on SDN and one of the most expensive med schools. Does it have something to do with the probation?
 
MegaProjectile said:
Any idea why GWU is not on the list? It seems to be a popular school on SDN and one of the most expensive med schools. Does it have something to do with the probation?
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I don't think "popular and most expensive" are the criteria used by USNEWs.

And I am not so sure how "popular" the school is - it gets swamped with apps because it is viewed as an east coast safety for all the east coasters who are loathe to leave their beloved mecca but may not be quite up to snuff with HMS, Yale, and the other "Ivy" med schools they covet so dearly.
 
19nbj58 said:
Wouldnt this also apply to Cornell? I was told that their affiliations with Rockefeller Institute and MSK are not included in the rankings.
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Cornell was the school I was originally told this for (I think). I am infact going there, and I always tell my students to use these rankings as kind of a "gauge" for the top 25 schools or so, etc, but not to put much stock in them. Someone then told me that Cornell's affiliates don't count toward their money cause they are seperate facilities (Sloan, HSS, NYP, Rockefeller). I didn't know this, nor do i care a whole lot, but I would like to know how this works so i can explain it/figure out if its true.
 
flip26 said:
I don't think "popular and most expensive" are the criteria used by USNEWs.

And I am not so sure how "popular" the school is - it gets swamped with apps because it is viewed as an east coast safety for all the east coasters who are loathe to leave their beloved mecca but may not be quite up to snuff with HMS, Yale, and the other "Ivy" med schools they covet so dearly.
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Fair enough. Thanks.
 
wow...and the obsession with the discussion of rank continues 😛
 
physiologyguy said:
Cornell was the school I was originally told this for (I think). I am infact going there, and I always tell my students to use these rankings as kind of a "gauge" for the top 25 schools or so, etc, but not to put much stock in them. Someone then told me that Cornell's affiliates don't count toward their money cause they are seperate facilities (Sloan, HSS, NYP, Rockefeller). I didn't know this, nor do i care a whole lot, but I would like to know how this works so i can explain it/figure out if its true.
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I'm guessing that (based on other posters' statements) the NIH rankings don't count the affiliated hospitals' money, but USNews does. Again, it can't not count it, cause if it didn't, Harvard wouldn't be number 1 (apparently it's number 18 for NIH).
 
ButImLETired said:
I'm guessing that (based on other posters' statements) the NIH rankings don't count the affiliated hospitals' money, but USNews does. Again, it can't not count it, cause if it didn't, Harvard wouldn't be number 1 (apparently it's number 18 for NIH).
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Harvard also funds a lot of research through its endowed funds...
 
riceman04, Dude, talking about obsessions, have you ever thought about "deaccessorizing" your posts..?
 
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