Top 10 General Surgery Residencies Rankings

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I am going to post (even though I have absolutely no idea and this is just subjective from what I have heard) but because I want to hear what other people have to say....

MGH
BWH
Michigan
Hopkins
UCSF
UW
Wash U
UCLA
Duke
Vanderbilt
 
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If this is supposed to be a forum where people post questions and get honest, somewhat sincere answers.....then I don't see how a green smiley face or your comments are at all helpful, but props to your comic sense :)
 
Interested in NYC programs (NYU, Cornell, Sinai, Columbia, Einstein). Where do they stand currently (pretty outdated thread) amongst each other and nationally?
 
#1 Program I matched at.
#2 Program I ranked #1 but in retrospect it wouldn't have been right anyway
#3 Program you matched at. It's okay bro, it's good too. Your USWNR ranking is just a little lower.
#4 Psh, didn't rank it.
#5 - 10, omg, so happy I didn't go there... they were totally back ups. Amirite?

Wait, are we talking about rank lists?
 
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Interested in NYC programs (NYU, Cornell, Sinai, Columbia, Einstein). Where do they stand currently (pretty outdated thread) amongst each other and nationally?

For training, you will get as many opinions as arseholes, but I think NYU > Columbia > Einstein > Cornell > Sinai
For prestige/etc, I think its Cornell >= Columbia > NYU >= Sinai >> Einstein
 
Yes I am a student and have rotated quite a bit at both institutions. The hopkins residents I have come into contact with were clinically much weaker than the majority of the Maryland residents... Many are extremely arrogant and entitled. Not to mention I met hopkins med students who very honestly said "I go to Hopkins, so i dont feel the need to work hard... ill get into any residency I want" Certainly this isn't everyone...but I was surprised how many people i interacted with who fit this mold to a T. It's made me realize that while Hopkins is a huge name, you cannot extrapolate greatness just from a name.

Not at all surprising to me. There are many medical students who based on their medical school institution truly believe that they are entitled to any residency & fellowship program they want. It's instilled in them from MS-1 and on.
 
Not at all surprising to me. There are many medical students who based on their medical school institution truly believe that they are entitled to any residency & fellowship program they want. It's instilled in them from MS-1 and on.

Ditto that for some of the Penn students I interacted with in Philly...
 
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Interested in NYC programs (NYU, Cornell, Sinai, Columbia, Einstein). Where do they stand currently (pretty outdated thread) amongst each other and nationally?

Ah NYC hospitals, where the motto is "we don't do that".
 
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I was curious about the present opinions in regards to the training available at UW-madison in terms of quality of training and its "ranking" i.e. how the residents, in general, who train there are viewed. I know the programs who generally top this "rank list" seem to invariably include mgh, chicago, pitt, WashU, duke, Michigan... I have heard good things from some attendings at my school in regards to Wisconsin. I am very interested in academic programs that balance world-class basic science research and top-notch surgical training. Ive seen it has moved up in NIH funding rankings to the top5 programs in the country but would like some views on if this translates to UW-madison carrying with it an impressive "name" but obviously more importantly excellent surgical training.

I appreciate your time ,thank you!
 
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It seems like many of these lists are bases on name and location when they should be based on things like board pass rates, diversity of complex cases while mainting a large volume of general surgery, quality of hospital/program, and quality of attending/residents, and most importantly if the residents are happy. I would a say list of top programs should include:
MGH
BWH
Southwestern
Mayo (MN)
Michigan
Hopkins
Wash U
Duke (low pass rate/tough environment)
Vanderbilt
Baylor Dallas (best community program)
Carolina's (best community program)
Northwestern (best Chicago program)
*I didn't include west coast programs just because I am not as familiar with them.
 
I am very interested in academic programs that balance world-class basic science research and top-notch surgical training.

World-class research and top-notch surgical training are common in the top 10, but only one program has an "unparalleled tradition of excellence." (Please see post #138 in this thread as my joke is 1.5 years late).

Of note, I also demand a tireless commitment to good parking, and a world-class salad bar in the doctor's dining room. Perhaps the topics of emphasis have changed since starting practice, but my adjectives remain the same.....

It seems like many of these lists are bases on name and location when they should be based on things like board pass rates, diversity of complex cases while mainting a large volume of general surgery, quality of hospital/program, and quality of attending/residents, and most importantly if the residents are happy.

One is not allowed to be reasonable in such a discussion. Please refrain from any further unbiased commentary on important benchmarks. That being said, I'm okay with you participating in this thread as long as you make manufactured prestige your #1 priority.

...on a side note, please check out http://www.absurgery.org/xfer/5yr_summary.pdf to see the 2008-2013 residency-specific board pass rates. A certain podunk Kansas program, sans tradition of excellence, has a 96% first time pass rate for the QE and the CE (combined 93%). It will look even nicer in July when the 2009-2014 data comes out. It's obvious to me that these community idiots have nothing to do but study for the boards all day (in-between chip shot appys and lipomas) since they don't work as hard as us and they don't have to deal with complex surgeries like we do.
 
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Of note, I also demand a tireless commitment to good parking, and a world-class salad bar in the doctor's dining room. Perhaps the topics of emphasis have changed since starting practice, but my adjectives remain the same.

My measure of excellence is based upon the availability of Diet Dr. Pepper in the OR lounge.
 
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It seems like many of these lists are bases on name and location when they should be based on things like board pass rates, diversity of complex cases while mainting a large volume of general surgery, quality of hospital/program, and quality of attending/residents, and most importantly if the residents are happy. I would a say list of top programs should include:
MGH
BWH
Southwestern
Mayo (MN)
Michigan
Hopkins
Wash U
Duke (low pass rate/tough environment)
Vanderbilt
Baylor Dallas (best community program)
Carolina's (best community program)
Northwestern (best Chicago program)
*I didn't include west coast programs just because I am not as familiar with them.

Nice list.

I'd add: Louisville, UCLA, and Cedars Sinai (which had 600 applicants for four slots in PGY 2012-2013!!)

Some thoughts: general surgeons are very valuable in areas of the country experiencing massive population growth. Numbers of general surgeons will be needed to serve aging Baby Boomers as well, like all specialties. The East Coast programs do not live up to the reputation of past years. Many residencies look for talent/skill over medical school pedigree, a complicated set of connected reasons for that, but that's what's going on. As I've said before, the best community programs are better than the best academic programs, though the good academic programs are better than the good community programs. Programs that offer 1100-1200 cases over five years are very competitive. Thirty years-ago half of GS applicants were AOA, now 25%. Surveys suggest that the new work hour restrictions have enticed more female applicants into GS. The increase in integrated programs (plastic surgery, etc.) are drawing lots of interest (though not BE/BC eligible for general surgery). General surgeons love sports cars.
 
Measuring applicants to slots is a weak standard - in the era of electronic common applications everyone gets an absurd number of applicants. We got ~1000 applications so are we 40% better than Cedars Sinai?

Agreed. Many programs will get applications due to geographical considerations or the desire to be at a "well known" place or treat "well known" patients. Not a slight against Cedars, but I would venture that the number of applications has a fair bit to do with all 3 reasons. Many "diamonds" don't get a lot of applications simply because of regional biases but probably offer better training than a lot of other places.

Do you think the loss of HP also had something to do with the change at UofL?
 
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Certainly

UL is certainly facing a lot of challenges right now, including the medical school being placed on probation by the LCME due to 'inadequate facilities' to support the incoming class of 2018, though the specific concerns of the LCME were being already being addressed long before being placed on probation. The school is undergoing a massive overhaul of its undergraduate medical campus and expects to be quickly taken off probation. From what I've heard, a lot of schools are coming up for accrediting and the LCME will be looking long and hard at each program from here on out. I expect many schools that have never faced probation before could certainly be looking at it now.

That said, the new Dean that took over last summer has a tremendous outlook and vision for the future, not only at the medical student level, but also at the resident/fellowship/departmental level. Our plastics division and CV department are top notch in terms of research and outcomes and still churn out fantastic surgeons. The CV department chair, Mark Slaughter, has made great headway into acquiring new research dollars in mechanical circulatory support devices and animal models. As far as I'm aware, the Kuntz and Kleinert hand and micro fellowship is still one of the most sought after in the world.

Losing visionaries and leaders is never easy for an institution. I think our former Dean (who is now at Duke) had a huge role in the downfall of a lot of things here, both at the undergraduate medical education side and driving away innovators and future leaders.
 
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UL is certainly facing a lot of challenges right now, including the medical school being placed on probation by the LCME due to 'inadequate facilities' to support the incoming class of 2018, though the specific concerns of the LCME were being already being addressed long before being placed on probation. The school is undergoing a massive overhaul of its undergraduate medical campus and expects to be quickly taken off probation. From what I've heard, a lot of schools are coming up for accrediting and the LCME will be looking long and hard at each program from here on out. I expect many schools that have never faced probation before could certainly be looking at it now.

That said, the new Dean that took over last summer has a tremendous outlook and vision for the future, not only at the medical student level, but also at the resident/fellowship/departmental level. Our plastics division and CV department are top notch in terms of research and outcomes and still churn out fantastic surgeons. The CV department chair, Mark Slaughter, has made great headway into acquiring new research dollars in mechanical circulatory support devices and animal models. As far as I'm aware, the Kuntz and Kleinert hand and micro fellowship is still one of the most sought after in the world.

Losing visionaries and leaders is never easy for an institution. I think our former Dean (who is now at Duke) had a huge role in the downfall of a lot of things here, both at the undergraduate medical education side and driving away innovators and future leaders.

UofL is not particularly well known as a CT Surgery training center. I do believe they even shut down their residency program for a few years there...
 
Quick: who's gonna' turn down a categorical spot at UCLA? ;) Big community programs in large metros like Cedars, Baylor U, Washington Center, etc. are not bound by instate quotas, and therefore receive huge numbers of applicants, welcomed assuredly by their PD's. And program leadership does matter, but it's rare that a "program falls off the map". Oh wait, ten years of Julie and Pam at Hopkins... :arghh: (Hopkins hired a pretty boy from Mayo Scottsdale as interim chief, it will be interesting if he gets the top spot.) If you want Louisville off, I'll add Emory.
 
Quick: who's gonna' turn down a categorical spot at UCLA? ;) Big community programs in large metros like Cedars, Baylor U, Washington Center, etc. are not bound by instate quotas, and therefore receive huge numbers of applicants, welcomed assuredly by their PD's. And program leadership does matter, but it's rare that a "program falls off the map". Oh wait, ten years of Julie and Pam at Hopkins... :arghh: (Hopkins hired a pretty boy from Mayo Scottsdale as interim chief, it will be interesting if he gets the top spot.) If you want Louisville off, I'll add Emory.

I'm pretty sure that residency programs don't have instate quotas...
 
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UofL is not particularly well known as a CT Surgery training center. I do believe they even shut down their residency program for a few years there...

I think you may be referring to the University hospital giving up hosting its CT service to another of our affiliate hospitals, Jewish, in the 1990s. UL CT surgeons, Drs. Laman Gray and Rob Dowling, performed the first AbioCor total artificial heart surgery at Jewish in the mid-2000s. Since then they've opened the Cardiovascular Research Institute (http://cv2i.org/) along with Roberto Bolli in Cardiology. There is a strong commitment to CV basic science and clinical research here. But, this is a general surgery thread and the CT guys are a totally different department.

Would you mind posting your CT Top 10? Or can I pm you with specific questions?
 
I think you may be referring to the University hospital giving up hosting its CT service to another of our affiliate hospitals, Jewish, in the 1990s. UL CT surgeons, Drs. Laman Gray and Rob Dowling, performed the first AbioCor total artificial heart surgery at Jewish in the mid-2000s. Since then they've opened the Cardiovascular Research Institute (http://cv2i.org/) along with Roberto Bolli in Cardiology. There is a strong commitment to CV basic science and clinical research here. But, this is a general surgery thread and the CT guys are a totally different department.

Would you mind posting your CT Top 10? Or can I pm you with specific questions?

I'm talking about closing the training program. I know in the last ten years they have been closed at least some of the time. I don't mean to say that they don't have any skills or areas of expertise, but as far as training goes, they are not particularly well known.

I'm not sure who all I'd put in a top 10... There'd be Duke, MGH, Brigham, Northwestern, Cleveland Clinic, UVA, Emory, Pitt all in the running. Feel free to PM with specific questions if you'd like... always happy to try and help out.
 
I'm talking about closing the training program. I know in the last ten years they have been closed at least some of the time. I don't mean to say that they don't have any skills or areas of expertise, but as far as training goes, they are not particularly well known.

I'm not sure who all I'd put in a top 10... There'd be Duke, MGH, Brigham, Northwestern, Cleveland Clinic, UVA, Emory, Pitt all in the running. Feel free to PM with specific questions if you'd like... always happy to try and help out.


No Mayo?
 
For CT Surgery? To be honest, I've not heard much from them. Claude Deschamps is a big name academically, but that's about all I know about them.

Weird. They're so highly ranked for their cardiovascular surgery department per US news and it seems like their faculty publish a ton...do CT and CV not go hand-in-hand? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm a lowly MS1 who will be doing research in CV surg this summer and I've had to read a lot of Mayo pubs for it.
 
I'm pretty sure that residency programs don't have instate quotas...

State programs do have quotas, ours does. Texas programs aren't training surgeons to work in Utah, California, or New York. There are considerations for gender and diversity in the criteria; also, certain spots are set aside for political reasons. We look hard at surgery applicants, with considerably more intent than we do for IM, FM or OB/GYN. Surgery holds a special place at most institutions and GS residents are known by everyone in medical education-- I can sit here and name you every current GS resident in thirty programs. It can cost three-quarters of a million dollars to train a CT surgeon, it matters who that person is.
 
"Cardiovascular surgery" is not really a thing.

You have vascular surgeons, and cardiac surgeons. They are completely separate training pathways.

A lot of departments are trying to rebrand themselves as "cardiovascular medicine" due to the interrelatedness of the disease processes and treatment modalities (and because it makes it easier for cardiologists to justify throwing in peripheral stents if they are a cardiovascular medicine specialist).

But in discussion of training programs --> it is CT and vascular. Separate programs.

In general, the US News rankings are pretty meaningless metrics when applied to training programs. Probably even moreso at the fellowship level than the residency level.

Man, that's kind of a bummer. I was under the impression that Mayo was great for cardiac surgery (sorry, *cardiac* not cardiovascular)
 
State programs do have quotas, ours does. Texas programs aren't training surgeons to work in Utah, California, or New York. There are considerations for gender and diversity in the criteria; also, certain spots are set aside for political reasons. We look hard at surgery applicants, with considerably more intent than we do for IM, FM or OB/GYN. Surgery holds a special place at most institutions and GS residents are known by everyone in medical education-- I can sit here and name you every current GS resident in thirty programs. It can cost three-quarters of a million dollars to train a CT surgeon, it matters who that person is.

I'm pretty sure that the Texas programs all participate in the same match that every other program in the US participates in. Yes, they may preferentially rank people for geographical connections higher than others, but there is no state mandated quota. Perhaps you are thinking of the medical schools. There are state quotas for all the Texas schools to differing degrees.
 
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The most amazing thing about this thread, and those like this, is the post to view ratio. How the opinions of so few placed after the obligatory 6 month bump, and just before ERAS season can influence the judgement of thousands of medical students applying to the field. I was not immune, and read each of these threads carefully, so I'll add my insight.

I am not alone in thinking that the top ten programs on this list will almost certainly always follow the money. Just like every other major corporation or business who try to create an empire. I submit this advice- Don't choose your program based on its empire. Choose a program that invests in its residents and not in itself.

It does amaze me that Louisville's strength and rank continue be argued on these threads, but I'll tell you why it does. While there are more than enough research opportunities and faculty members with continued presence at the national level who still actively participate in the department, its strength is the ability to produce great general surgeons. The case numbers and complexity are among the highest anywhere. Graduates are able to use their fellowship for refining, not learning technical skill.

Finally, in a time where stifling attending oversight is becoming the norm across the country, Louisville still emphatically stands for autonomy.
 
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"Cardiovascular surgery" is not really a thing.

You have vascular surgeons, and cardiac surgeons. They are completely separate training pathways.

A lot of departments are trying to rebrand themselves as "cardiovascular medicine" due to the interrelatedness of the disease processes and treatment modalities (and because it makes it easier for cardiologists to justify throwing in peripheral stents if they are a cardiovascular medicine specialist).

But in discussion of training programs --> it is CT and vascular. Separate programs.

In general, the US News rankings are pretty meaningless metrics when applied to training programs. Probably even moreso at the fellowship level than the residency level.

Out in the community alot of the vascular stuff is done by CT surgeons. This is mostly open stuff like AAA, AFB, carotids and peripheral bypasses but there are a few around here who do EVARs and endovascular peripheral stuff. This is in the suburbs of a major metropolitan area.
 
State programs do have quotas, ours does. Texas programs aren't training surgeons to work in Utah, California, or New York. There are considerations for gender and diversity in the criteria; also, certain spots are set aside for political reasons. We look hard at surgery applicants, with considerably more intent than we do for IM, FM or OB/GYN. Surgery holds a special place at most institutions and GS residents are known by everyone in medical education-- I can sit here and name you every current GS resident in thirty programs. It can cost three-quarters of a million dollars to train a CT surgeon, it matters who that person is.

At our Texas program geography, race, gender, etc played no role whatsoever in how applicants were ranked. 75% of graduates seek fellowship training. It would not make sense to try to rank applicants based on how likely they are to stay in TX as many of the most competitive fellowships are outside of TX.
 
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At our Texas program geography, race, gender, etc played no role whatsoever in how applicants were ranked. 75% of graduates seek fellowship training. It would not make sense to try to rank applicants based on how likely they are to stay in TX as many of the most competitive fellowships are outside of TX.

If you are a GS resident in Texas I know your name, where you went to medical school, college, high school. Anyone can look at the rosters online, 75% of state GS residents come from Texas. BUMC is an exception with a wide range of schools represented, but 75% of their surgeons with fellowships practice in Texas-- I have a list in front of me of every BUMC chief in the last 50 years, I know where they are. We have twelve BUMC surgeons here in Austin alone. UTSW is the most important GS residency program in the country turning out 130 chiefs every decade, at least half of their surgeons work in Texas. You want to review UTSW plastic surgery? BCM Cardiac? The numbers can be looked at, and whether your program has a hard quota or not, it is what it is.
 
If you are a GS resident in Texas I know your name, where you went to medical school, college, high school. Anyone can look at the rosters online, 75% of state GS residents come from Texas. BUMC is an exception with a wide range of schools represented, but 75% of their surgeons with fellowships practice in Texas-- I have a list in front of me of every BUMC chief in the last 50 years, I know where they are. We have twelve BUMC surgeons here in Austin alone. UTSW is the most important GS residency program in the country turning out 130 chiefs every decade, at least half of their surgeons work in Texas. You want to review UTSW plastic surgery? BCM Cardiac? The numbers can be looked at, and whether your program has a hard quota or not, it is what it is.

I am skeptical of your numbers but even if this were true this does not imply it is goal of TX residencies to keep graduates in TX. Whether a graduate stays in state or not is a result of several factors: the top 2 that come to mind are faculty connections and finding a spouse in residency. In my class of 14, 5 stayed in TX for either an attending position or additional training. Here is the breakdown of how many residents came from TX medical schools when I graduated from UTSW in 2013:
Clinical 5, 6 of 14 from TX med schools
Clinical 4, 2 of 11 from TX med schools
Clinical 3, 4 of 14 from TX med schools
Clinical 2, 3 of 13 from TX med schools
Clinical 1, 2 of 13 from TX med schools (I'm not as sure about this number as I didn't get a chance to get to know this class as well as the others)

I've participated in rank sessions as a senior resident and discussion was always limited to prior achievements, goals and personality.
 
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The most amazing thing about this thread, and those like this, is the post to view ratio. How the opinions of so few placed after the obligatory 6 month bump, and just before ERAS season can influence the judgement of thousands of medical students applying to the field. I was not immune, and read each of these threads carefully, so I'll add my insight.

I am not alone in thinking that the top ten programs on this list will almost certainly always follow the money. Just like every other major corporation or business who try to create an empire. I submit this advice- Don't choose your program based on its empire. Choose a program that invests in its residents and not in itself.

It does amaze me that Louisville's strength and rank continue be argued on these threads, but I'll tell you why it does. While there are more than enough research opportunities and faculty members with continued presence at the national level who still actively participate in the department, its strength is the ability to produce great general surgeons. The case numbers and complexity are among the highest anywhere. Graduates are able to use their fellowship for refining, not learning technical skill.

Finally, in a time where stifling attending oversight is becoming the norm across the country, Louisville still emphatically stands for autonomy.


Completely agree with this.

Dr. Polk was just at Grand Rounds on Friday and is still actively involved in the department even if he is no longer operating. Dr. McMasters has done an amazing job in succeeding him and we have some outstanding faculty on staff - including Jason Smith. All of the seniors I've spoken with laud the technical skill training they've received here. The autonomy is unbelievable for a PGY2-4, but you're also expected to be competent given that responsibility.
 
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UL is certainly facing a lot of challenges right now, including the medical school being placed on probation by the LCME due to 'inadequate facilities' to support the incoming class of 2018, though the specific concerns of the LCME were being already being addressed long before being placed on probation. The school is undergoing a massive overhaul of its undergraduate medical campus and expects to be quickly taken off probation. From what I've heard, a lot of schools are coming up for accrediting and the LCME will be looking long and hard at each program from here on out. I expect many schools that have never faced probation before could certainly be looking at it now.

That said, the new Dean that took over last summer has a tremendous outlook and vision for the future, not only at the medical student level, but also at the resident/fellowship/departmental level. Our plastics division and CV department are top notch in terms of research and outcomes and still churn out fantastic surgeons. The CV department chair, Mark Slaughter, has made great headway into acquiring new research dollars in mechanical circulatory support devices and animal models. As far as I'm aware, the Kuntz and Kleinert hand and micro fellowship is still one of the most sought after in the world.

Losing visionaries and leaders is never easy for an institution. I think our former Dean (who is now at Duke) had a huge role in the downfall of a lot of things here, both at the undergraduate medical education side and driving away innovators and future leaders.
I like how they paper over the problem, but then when they actually list their accredidation problems it's actually much bigger: http://louisville.edu/medicine/files/LCME 2014 Q-A final.pdf
 
You call it quotas, I call it self selection. There's really only three programs in Texas with broad appeal outside the state. The rest of the programs get applicants who are (a) geographically drawn to Texas or (b) aren't very competitive so they are shotgun applying to tons of programs. So of course those programs end up with a lot of Texas natives.

I said earlier that state programs take a majority of instate applicants and those applicants who would like to practice the the state of residency. Each year our GS residency considers 500+ applicants for our eights categorical slots. UCLA, Louisville, Duke, Hopkins, UT-Houston, East Wichita Community, whichever-- all programs have a competitive applicant pool (each offering a ticket to a desirable job for a lifetime). The question was what are the 10 best programs; reality, there's no such a thing. Each applicant does not have an equal chance at every program due to specific selection criteria. Generally, applicants need to consider location first, then facilities, then faculty, then curriculum.
 
I said earlier that state programs take a majority of instate applicants and those applicants who would like to practice the the state of residency. Each year our GS residency considers 500+ applicants for our eights categorical slots. UCLA, Louisville, Duke, Hopkins, UT-Houston, East Wichita Community, whichever-- all programs have a competitive applicant pool (each offering a ticket to a desirable job for a lifetime). The question was what are the 10 best programs; reality, there's no such a thing. Each applicant does not have an equal chance at every program due to specific selection criteria. Generally, applicants need to consider location first, then facilities, then faculty, then curriculum.

I don't seem to have access to FRIEDA for some reason. What institution offers 8 categorical residency positions in Austin, TX?
 
I said earlier that state programs take a majority of instate applicants and those applicants who would like to practice the the state of residency. Each year our GS residency considers 500+ applicants for our eights categorical slots. UCLA, Louisville, Duke, Hopkins, UT-Houston, East Wichita Community, whichever-- all programs have a competitive applicant pool (each offering a ticket to a desirable job for a lifetime). The question was what are the 10 best programs; reality, there's no such a thing. Each applicant does not have an equal chance at every program due to specific selection criteria. Generally, applicants need to consider location first, then facilities, then faculty, then curriculum.

Are you referring to how your selection committee composes it's rank list? I don't see how a seat can be "reserved for political reasons" or for instate bias within the match system beyond ranking higher/lower.
 
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I don't seem to have access to FRIEDA for some reason. What institution offers 8 categorical residency positions in Austin, TX?
Eight is very large; the average general surgery residency program in US only has four categorical positions per year.

At any rate, I have access to FREIDA (it now requires a login) And the only program listed in Austin is a branch of UTSW with three categorical positions per year. I suppose there could be an osteopathic residency there but since they tend to be even smaller than allopathic I find it unlikely there is one with eight positions not listed in the AMA database. database.
 
I like how they paper over the problem, but then when they actually list their accredidation problems it's actually much bigger: http://louisville.edu/medicine/files/LCME 2014 Q-A final.pdf

Yes and no. There were two main categories of things cited by the LCME - the pace of curricular change (moving to an integrated curriculum which was scheduled to happen this year anyway) and the number of seats in the lecture hall for expanding class sizes (seats ~155, expanding class to 160). The other cited items were for very minor things such as having lockers at rotation sites or having appropriate forms for feedback from faculty during PBL time. When the LCME visits the school next summer I would expect to be off probation with the new curriculum change and completely renovated building. Dean Ganzel is fantastic in her role here; the faculty, students and staff have full faith in her leadership on this issue.

As I mentioned earlier, the LCME is taking a much more stringent approach to accreditation site visits now with the expansion of medical school around the US. I expect there to be other medical schools that may never have had a problem to be more thoroughly scrutinized now.
 
Since I joined this forum: I am an IM attending living and working in Austin, I also have privileges at hospitals in the Texas Medical Center. My medical degree is from UT-Houston, where I am on an admissions oversight committee that looks at every applicant that is to be invited for an interview for every residency and fellowship offered. When I say "we", I'm talking about UTH.
 
If you look at the charting the match pdf from the nrmp, you can see the program quotas... I think 13 is the largest(Oregon iirc), but there are maybe 20-30 programs in the country with 8 (rutgers-njms, formerly UMDNJ, my program, is one of them)... Like ws said, most are 3-4...

Big programs have some advantages and definitely some disadvantages...
 
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Einstein has 10 categoricals per year and a buttload of prelims. 2nd biggest program in the country.
 
Einstein has 10 categoricals per year and a buttload of prelims. 2nd biggest program in the country.
http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/programresults2009-2013.pdf

I'm bored so I wanted to look... Please note, these are all 2013 numbers, so as you are looking at this in future to come (since this thread never dies) make sure to double check these numbers, but if you are looking for large programs, this is your list
  1. UTSW has 13 (darn, I guess I was wrong, OHSU isn't #1),
  2. Oregon H&S Univ has 12 (I was 1 off, shoot),
  3. UAB has 10,
  4. Einstein has 10 (just increased from 7 in 2012, and 5 in 2011, and 18 spots for prelims, that is a buttload),
  5. Yale has 10,
  6. Indiana has 10,
  7. Cleveland Clinic has 10,
  8. U Col has 9,
  9. Emory has 9,
  10. BI Deaconess has 9,
  11. MGH has 9,
  12. Mayo (Minn) has 9,
  13. U Buffalo has 9,
  14. Baylor has 9,
  15. U Arizona Tucson has 8,
  16. Rush chicago has 8,
  17. Louisville has 8,
  18. LSU has 8,
  19. B&W has 8,
  20. Wayne state has 8,
  21. Barnes-Jewish (Wash U) has 8,
  22. Rutgers-NJMS (former UMDNJ-NJMS) has 8,
  23. Cornell has 8,
  24. NYU has 8 (just decreased from 9),
  25. North Shore LIJ has 8,
  26. SUNY Downstate (aka HSC brooklyn) has 8,
  27. U Tenn-Memphis has 8,
  28. Vanderbilt has 8,
  29. Miami has 7,
  30. All the UC schools have 7 pretty much,
  31. Columbia has 7,
  32. U Rochester has 7,
  33. Duke has 7,
  34. Cincinnati has 7,
  35. UPenn has 7,
  36. Temple has 7,
  37. UPMC has 7,
  38. UT Houston has 7,
  39. U Wash Seattle has 7,
  40. Wisconsin-Milwaukee has 7

So, I guess technically Greg, you are 3rd biggest in the country as far as categorical numbers ;)

And, clearly, all of these above programs are in the top 10
 
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Big certainly has its perks. I just learned that the entire 3rd year class at utsw was given the weekend off to rent an RV and "build morale" in New Orleans while upper levels and even a fellow or 2 took their call.

But in all seriousness if you have a family, stuff will come up and it was nice to know that I could find coverage without too much trouble.
 
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