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What's your top 5 veterinary programs?

The U.S News has not ranked veterinary schools since 2003 so I'm just curious what the perception of the top programs are?
 
1. Colorado State
2. UPENN
3. Cornell
4. UC Davis
5. Tufts


Would that be accurate?
 
What's your top 5 veterinary programs?

The U.S News has not ranked veterinary schools since 2003 so I'm just curious what the perception of the top programs are?

1. Colorado State
2. Cornell
3. UPenn
4. North Carolina State
5. UC Davis
 
1. Tennessee
2. Missouri
3. NC State
4. Virginia Tech
5. Wisconsin

(Based on DVM training only, not research, service, etc.)
 
There's no great way of ranking vet programs IMHO, mainly because the field is so broad. For instance, I wouldn't go to Cornell if I wanted to do swine medicine, but they have (or at least had) a great neurology service. I wouldn't go to Ohio State for its neurology program (we just lost our neurologist) but we have amazing cardiologists, etc... Then you also have to look at the caseload vs. class size- would you rather have lots of cases per student (like UPenn) or less per student but perhaps more time to evaluate each one (live Virginia Tech). I could go on and on.

There are only 28 or so schools in the US each with its own niche- research, teaching, production medicine, etc... which is why choosing the right school is completely individual, and why rankings are pretty much useless in vet med.

P.S- sorry for the tiny rant, I'm sure you knew someone would say it, might as well be me 🙂
Andrew
 
Clearly one could make the same argument for any graduate program. No one program is going to be stellar in all areas. I think it's important too recognize that there are programs that overall are very strong versus other that are not. It's not all subjective. There are boards that have passing rates that can factor in as well.

I personally wouldn't go to a school because they had a good swine program if the academics were very poor or the clinical training wasn't as rigorous as I would expect.

I liked Bill's ranking because it was based on DVM training and I think that's a valuable perspective.
 
Bill59, where did you get that list? I'm really interested in more details.
Thanks!
 
For what it's worth, U.S. News & World Report is supposed to publish new vet school rankings in March/April 2007 according to our dean (dean of CSU vet med). Hopefully they will also publish the parameters they used to reach their conclusions...

Christie
 
Sorry, i just get tired of rankings. US News doesn't even use an objective means for ranking vet schools, just their 'average assessment', which is basically a popularity contest amongst the deans. My school happens to be ranked rather high, but I don't think it means anything, I had my own reasons for coming here.
The accreditation process for vet schools is so rigorous, that there aren't any with poor academics- IMO they all provide a base level of training and are then able to distinguish themselves in certain ways- curriculum, star faculty members, caseload, etc...
It gets old hearing the same schools being called 'the best' without any reason besides reputation- which is usually related to research. I like Bill59's system of ranking, I just don't know how he went about establishing his list.

Andrew
 
The accreditation process for vet schools is so rigorous, that there aren't any with poor academics- IMO they all provide a base level of training and are then able to distinguish themselves in certain ways- curriculum, star faculty members, caseload, etc...
It gets old hearing the same schools being called 'the best' without any reason besides reputation- which is usually related to research.

I agree with both of 2quick's posts. It really depends on what you want to do. You're likely to get a good small animal education anywhere. I think it matters a little more for large and exotic animal b/c your case load is really what's going to determine that. (if there aren't any cows, you won't see any)

As far as research, I really think that depends a lot on what kind of research you like. If you just want to be "cutting edge" and don't care what the project is, well maybe go to schools that are just generally considered good for research. Personally I would look at the specific research they are doing and see if you're interested. If you don't care about FIV, then why go to a school that's devoting a bunch of money to it? etc. I've done research throughout my life and the project really matters as does the people you're going to be working with (because you're around them 24-7).

There are a lot of "hole in the wall" researchers out there....By that I mean people doing really amazing work at universities you've never heard of...often the only people doing said research. All it really takes is a lab head who is interested in something and who landed a grant for it. Yes, university facilities are nice to have, but again, it's the grants that pay for what you will mostly be working with. Also, a lot of times the space you have is dictated by your funding. At one point I know our whole cardiology research department (who just got brand new facilities from the univerity) didn't have grant funding and pretty much sat around for almost a year.

If you want to do research, I'd do some searches on the stuff you're interested in and see where those people are and even contact them. You'd be surprised.

Additionally, about the vet "rankings"....(and this is also typically true for undergrad), it really doesn't matter to much where you go...it's better to look at other things you will be dealing with day-to-day, like other students, class size, location, cost of living, etc. etc. Where facilities and case load become mroe important will be during your internship/residency...and even in that case there is a lot of other things to consider...like how much you actually get to do, etc.

Anyway...I really think the ranking is pretty pointless. As far as I can tell the states with schools not ranked in the top don't have a state full of incompetent doctors.
 
Bill59, where did you get that list?

Same place I get all my statistics ... I make 'em up.

Actually it's based on what I know about the programs from working there, visiting, knowing people there and working with graduates. In other words, it's very biased. But I did focus on teaching at the DVM level only.

And I did manage to resist putting my alma mater in, even though I really wanted to.

I agree with others that all schools have their strengths and weaknesses and what's best is going to vary with the individual student. But you'll get an excellent education at any of the AVMA-accredited schools. So while it's interesting the see these sorts of lists, when it comes to comparing schools all these lists are really pretty worthless

... except for mine.
 
I agree with the posts about rankings mainly because "to each his own". I am very big on going to a school for what it will offer you as an individual person, scientist, vet etc. While vet schools not so much, I believe there is a often a clear distiniction between some graduate schools based on funding, faculty and research projects. Vet schools, no matter where you go you are going to egt a great education and later on you can specialize for internship/residency if you decide to do it at a school. I simply rate them based on what I think, not what others think and I don't believe there is anything wrong with that. What others think about the particular school you choose to attend should really have no bearing.
 
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