Total Hypothetical: Class Action against Step II CS

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qwerty30

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Rant time. I hate to even mention the word suit, and i would not take part in it, but i think they have gone too far. Perhaps the mere mention of the word would cause them to rethink what they are doing. There are several threads that all seem in agreement that this exam is a scam. While these may just be people being bitter over the cost and trouble, I think there may be some legitimate arguments. As you all know from those "Intellectual Property" statements you sign before a step, The NBME is nothing more than an entity with a vested interest in increasing its revenue. A "not for profit" does not eliminate the drive for increased revenue( Just look at your local university hospital's advertising campaigns). Anyway, I think the public would be sympathetic, after all, the cost is passed on to them at 6% 10 years from now.

Why i think a case may exist, as you can tell, im no lawyer.

1) Data supporting the exam is absent, a conflict of interest and possibley fradulant behavior in the supporting "research" and payrolled "patient advocates" of the NBME who support the continuation of this exam.

2) An unreasonable an undo burden due to lack of proximity to testing centers for most students and disproportionate cost as compared to other professional exams.

3) It lacks any sort of precedent,(i.e. Step I, II CK and III all exist as an evolution of state board exams,) The vast majority of practicing doctors have not taken anything resembling CS.

4) There is an implicit redundancy ; This exam takes over skills that medical schools must demonstrate an ability to teach and evaluate before they are accredited.

5) Lack of feedback violates the principle of a licensing exam, We do not know how we did. In fact, the examinee has no proof the exam is actually graded, the NBME could be arbitrarily assigning grades. They offer no evidence to the contrary. ( There is of course oversight of the board, but as the recipients of this exam, we do not know. The burden of proof should be on them.)



Just wondering what you all think
 
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Yes, go challenge the NBME on this. Nothing like throwing away a career in medicine after paying 3.5 years of tuition.
 
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Just wondering what you all think

A profession is free to make and administer exams it feels are warranted. There is no requirement that there be data demonstrating its value. Having to travel to testing centers is not unusual in medicine (lots of specialty send folks to the middle of the country for oral boards and the like), and not even unique to medicine (in law, lots of folks had to travel to different and distant parts of the state to take the bar exam). Redundancy is never a good argument against a test -- a test by its nature has to be redundant because you cannot test what has not been taught.

I do, however agree that if you fail, there should be some feedback.
 
I think its a valiant cause, however, you can never get them to change their policy, the NBME is basically invincible to these sorts of things, there is too much money to be made, (16,000 US med students plus about 5000 FMGgers = 21, 000 students multiplied by 1200 dollars)!!!!

but to throw in my two cents:

the quality of the exam doesnt reflect the cost

if you fail you have to pay again the fee without any feedback of why you failed

shouldnt feedback be given anyways

Whats ridiculous is that the NBME doesn't give back anything, they dont support any form of advancements in medicine, resident education, there is no lobbying to increase resident education spots in the fields where they are need the most, i mean they do nothing but give tests, and take money for it, Id like to see the pyramid behind the scheme to see where this money goes, transparency would be nice, but again

FAT CHANCE
 
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