Toughest system in medical system

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As the title says, what was the toughest system for you in medical school? This doesn’t even have to be in terms of difficulty, it is just more in terms of what was the most stressful system for you.

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Heme/onc. Too many random letter-number combinations and too many -mabs/-ibs. IMO it’s the most pure rote memorization of any body system, since very few of the names of the markers tell you anything about what they do and you can’t logic your way through it.
 
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I’ve only got 4 systems to reference, but infectious disease has sucked the life out of me. 5 weeks, no sleep.
 
Cardiopulm! Every time it comes around I sink so much time into it, and i can never master it.
 
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Loved nephro

hated my schools approach to cardio, but B&B showed me the way

I just can’t with neuro. My school was insane about it. Our longest block by far clocking in at at ~2.5 months of just mercilessly pulverizing our bottoms right before step 1 when you’re also trying to relearn everything else.

Edit: respiratory phys gets an honorable mention as the worst physiology in medical school
 
As the title says, what was the toughest system for you in medical school? This doesn’t even have to be in terms of difficulty, it is just more in terms of what was the most stressful system for you.

Understanding any particular organ system at the level expected of a medical student is not difficult, especially relative to technical knowledge expected to function in other fields like engineering for example. The answer to your question is completely dependent on how difficult a course director at a particular institution chooses to make their course. Most subjects can be made more difficult by incorporating more detail and course directors sometimes do it if they feel if providing mechanisms adds value to the medical student's education or if something will be translatable to their practice later (ex pulmonary physiology-mechanical ventilation). Cardiovascular physiology can get more challenging if you get into the details of the various sodium channels and fluid mechanics beyond CO=SVxHR. Pulmonology can be made more difficult given the practical aspects with ventilation. Nephrology can be made more difficult by delving deeper into acid/base chemistry. Again, the NBME emphasizes knowledge of a few concepts/facts which are easily graspable. Another way things can be made difficult is if a basic science lecturer chooses to make you memorize a ton of information. In heme, memorizing various heme malignancy subtypes can be challenging. Also, depending on what extent the course director wants to grill histology, the subjects of heme/onc, GI, and nephrology can be made more challenging. Lastly, anatomy and neuroanatomy were a completely different beasts than renal physiology for example in that they require a visual memory component and some students are better at that than others.
 
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Understanding any particular organ system at the level expected of a medical student is not difficult, especially relative to technical knowledge expected to function in other fields like engineering for example. The answer to your question is completely dependent on how difficult a course director at a particular institution chooses to make their course. Most subjects can be made more difficult by incorporating more detail and course directors sometimes do it if they feel if providing mechanisms adds value to the medical student's education or if something will be translatable to their practice later (ex pulmonary physiology-mechanical ventilation). Cardiovascular physiology can get more challenging if you get into the details of the various sodium channels and fluid mechanics beyond CO=SVxHR. Pulmonology can be made more difficult given the practical aspects with ventilation. Nephrology can be made more difficult by delving deeper into acid/base chemistry. Again, the NBME emphasizes knowledge of a few concepts/facts which are easily graspable. Another way things can be made difficult is if a basic science lecturer chooses to make you memorize a ton of information. In heme, memorizing various heme malignancy subtypes can be challenging. Also, depending on what extent the course director wants to grill histology, the subjects of heme/onc, GI, and nephrology can be made more challenging.
You are completely right. It is all subjective in a sense because we aren’t all on a standardized curriculum being taught the same way by the same professors. I was more so curious to see what system that was for everyone. I only have 4 systems so far and infectious disease was the toughest hands down. Not because the material is difficult, but due to the shear amount of information I had to learn in such a short period of time. No matter how much work I put in I was always 10 steps behind. It will be interesting to see if this changes in the upcoming systems.
 
FWIW for me a challenge came with a block we called neuroscience which was neuroanatomy, physiology, etc. Mapping out the pathways was hard for me spatially.
 
Endo/Repro seems to be the challenging one for my kids.

I find it interesting how much it probably varies by school and instructors - this is thought to be one of the easier modules at my school. Plus, as someone with a frequently unhappy uterus and who is strongly afflicted by Med Student Syndrome, I've probably self-diagnosed myself with half the conditions anyway...

For me, Heme/Onc was by far the hardest (same goes for much of my class, it's notoriously hard to the point that the passing grade is lowered by 10 points). After that it's personal preference - I disliked renal (though most of our class loved the instructor) but liked pulm (known for being difficult here)
 
Derm was my worst grade in medical school, but I think that was more due to honestly just not caring about it enough to study well. IIRC, I studied pretty hard on pulm and still did not do quite as well as I would have liked.
 
Well, derm and msk were together for us, which made it a fairly easy block. But the derm part was the hardest for me. I’ll take nephro or neuro any day of the week and twice on Sunday over derm.

That's interesting. Never heard that before. What made it harder?
 
That's interesting. Never heard that before. What made it harder?

So many rashes look the same lol. I honestly didn’t find any part of preclinical to be all that hard other than just the volume of material, but I suck at derm.
 
So many rashes look the same lol. I honestly didn’t find any part of preclinical to be all that hard other than just the volume of material, but I suck at derm.

I'll sum up derm for non-dermatologists: whatever it is, try either topical steroids or topical antifungals. Pick one, and switch to the other if it doesn't work. :ninja:
 
So many rashes look the same lol. I honestly didn’t find any part of preclinical to be all that hard other than just the volume of material, but I suck at derm.
The three laws of dermatology:
1. If it 's wet, dry it.
2. If it's dry, wet it.
3. If that doesn't work, use steroids.
 
Sorry to tell you it doesn't get better on step - you'd think with all the money we give them they could find a way to make it so we can zoom in on their tiny poor quality pictures but alas

Lol, I feel like it's intentional. The good thing is that the majority of qs don't actually require images to get them correct.
 
That's true, but I've had a few questions where you really did need the picture (derm stuff, etc) but I swear they picked the worst possible image they could find
That sounds like our online video anatomy quizzes...when we complain, the answer is always "let it buffer longer". :shrug:
 
That's true, but I've had a few questions where you really did need the picture (derm stuff, etc) but I swear they picked the worst possible image they could find

Lol yes this happens on the nbme shelves too. It’s like clearly this picture is trying to tell me something but it’s like they’re speaking to me using smoke signals.
 
Neuro / head and neck was pure ***
 
i guess im the odd one out but MSK was always the worst for me, i really couldnt care less about what muscles attach where and the spelling of all the latin based names for practical was just unnecessary, There is also not much understand with MSK, all brute memorization to me which is not fun
 
i guess im the odd one out but MSK was always the worst for me, i really couldnt care less about what muscles attach where and the spelling of all the latin based names for practical was just unnecessary, There is also not much understand with MSK, all brute memorization to me which is not fun
MSK almost broke me first semester of medical school. It was the class that made me realize I was probably going to suck at preclinical.
 
i guess im the odd one out but MSK was always the worst for me, i really couldnt care less about what muscles attach where and the spelling of all the latin based names for practical was just unnecessary, There is also not much understand with MSK, all brute memorization to me which is not fun

I think I know what school you're at cause my friend is there too. Yeah spelling counts for us too, lol.
 
i guess im the odd one out but MSK was always the worst for me, i really couldnt care less about what muscles attach where and the spelling of all the latin based names for practical was just unnecessary, There is also not much understand with MSK, all brute memorization to me which is not fun

So glad spelling didn’t count for us.
 
I'll sum up derm for non-dermatologists: whatever it is, try either topical steroids or topical antifungals. Pick one, and switch to the other if it doesn't work. :ninja:
And then send them to a dermatologist when what you do doesn't get it better....and don't ever give lotrisone unless it's for perleche.

And just to stay on topic, I think nephro was the worst system. Pharm was the overall worst subject. I'm too visual to even start to do well at pharm.
 
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