Touro-MI or Western?

[bnch5]

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Hi all,

I'm originally from the bay area, grew up and went to undergrad there. I'm currently living in NYC and I'm excited to go back home for med school.

So...I'm having trouble deciding between Touro-MI and Western.

I like Touro mainly for its location in the bay area. It's closer to my family, to tahoe, great restaurants, and fantastic neighboring cities (but from what I have heard about the curriculum students don't seem to have enough time to enjoy the bay area anyways). I wouldn't exactly say that I really enjoyed my interview experience. It was very very stressful to say the least. I mean we were preparing for the panel interview the entire time! Dr. Haight seemed more concerned about preparing us for the interview than actually informing us about the school/curriculum. But I have spoken to my friend who is a second year over there and she seems to really like it. She says they provide a great, very rigorous education. However, I'm curious about the nonacademics. I know med school is going to be very difficult without a doubt, but I need a good balance of academics and extracurricular activities/ student life to stay sane.

With Western, however, I'm not so enamored with the location (pomona, ca) or LA in general... I'm a norcal person, I don't even want to think about driving in LA traffic... Anyways, I really really liked my interview experience. The whole day was very organized. We heard from various faculty/staff personnel and even the dean spoke to us individually. SoCal weather is great too, though I do also love the bay area weather. And I heard that Western is ranked higher than Touro and has better rotation locations. I was told that Touro students often end up rotating in the LA area anyway. Unlike touro, Western emphasized the nonacademic life that students can have ie clubs, IM sports, extracurriculars, etc. And their students truly looked happy. Plus, I think they have less lecture time and they even have a note taking service in case you want to skip out on lecture.

I've already put down my $2000 deposit at touro and my deadline to put down $1000 at Western is coming up quickly (March 1st).

So if anyone has any feedback/advice about these two schools I would really appreciate it!!

Thanks!

 

[PhDtoDO]

Hey,

I'm sort of in the same boat. But I just interviewed at both schools and am waiting to hear back. If I get into one, I'm going there. If I get into both, I'll be thinking and posting the same question.

If you've gotten into both schools, I would call/contact Touro and ask about the extra-Cs. That's what I plan on doing. I also think Touro does have excellent rotations.

Western may be ranked higher but that is probably due to the fact that it is 30 and touro around 10...Touro will mature more and seems better off as an extension of a chain...they didn't have to start from scratch.

If and when I have to make the same decision as you, I will be contacting Touro to find out more about the very things they presented at Western.

I also think that no matter where you go, there will be tons of work and making time is really up to you.

Let me know what and why you decide.


-s

 

[heech]

Heya,

I'm dating (yikes, engaged to!) a first-year TUCOM student. And my *personal* opinion is that you have nothing to fear in terms of extracurricular activities. People at TUCOM are very social, and there's plenty to keep you busy. I've been dragged to at least 3 different TUCOM-organized clubbing nights in SF in the past 4 months, gone clubbing with TUCOM friends at least 2-3 other times... and none of that counts the numerous parties + bar-hopping nights in the Vallejo area.

There've also been organized flag football, soccer, and basketball grudge matches between 1st/2nd years. TUCOM also put on a one-on-one basketball game versus the UC Davis med school, complete with ridiculous mascots, a few months back. There've been on campus belly-dancing classes, hip-hop classes, aerobics, student-organized health fairs, poker nights... I've heard a lot of complaining about the workload, but everyone seems pleasantly surprised at how fun it's all been, too.

I mean, let's be honest, med school shouldn't be confused with club med. But I also hear ya when you say you need to maintain sanity... my personal take is that TUCOM-MI does just fine in that department.

 

[bluerose786]

There have been other threads discussing the topic of Western vs. TUCOM, so I strongly suggest you search for the threads....u will find lots of responses. Both schools are good, and I heard that medical school is more about what YOU make of it. I personally chose Western, but I'm sure there are others who've chosen TUCOM....look at all the factors that are IMPORTANT to you, and go to the school that is a better fit for you (location, rotations, curriculum, extracurricular opportunities, etc). Try talking to current TUCOM and Western students...they can give you firsthand answers about their respective schools. You may even want to talk to graduates from the schools. Good luck, and please look at the other threads in both the Pre-Osteopathic and Osteopathic forums.

 

[bnch5]

Thanks so much for your input! I really appreciate it!

 

[Jinyaoysiu]

To The OP:

I go to Western and personally I would choose Western because of factors like the new curriculum, strong clinical rotations, and the great crowd of students (studious and fun) that Sol Cal attracts, if all other things were equal. However, for you, all other things aren't equal because you mentioned family, which I think is a very important factor. Med school is what you make of it and if your family is really important to you, a school away from your family might not be worth it to you no matter how different of an education the away school might offer you.
Now, if you don't want to spend that much time with your family then that's a different story 😉

 

[dr_keki]

I would personally choose western over touro. I was accepted to both schools also but didnt like my interview experience at touro-mi. The director of admissions, dr. haight, seem very superficial and pretentious. He was more concerned with prepping us for the panel interviews than telling us about the school. I had a bad encounter with dr. haight but dont want to post in a public forum. If you want to know, PM me. I'm not sure if it was just my interview day, but we didnt even meet the dean at touro.

Meanwhile, the dean at western was so friendly and made everyone feel welcomed. Western seems more student oriented than touro. I think eventually, med school is what you make of it. Of course there are many factors in choosing a school, and the supportive faculty and staff at western sealed the deal for me.

 

[bth7]

As always, you have to be careful about what you see here.

I wish that you were really getting a good impression of what going to school will actually be like just be talking to the Dean of Admissions at either school, but the truth is you're not.

As an applicant its hard to understand that you will never see this person after your interview day. Their job is admissions - they have almost nothing to do with your student experience. In my case, I really loved Dr Haight on my interview day. But it doesn't matter now b/c he's not a part of my experience.

I'm a first year at TUCOM-MI. I love my school, so of course I'm biased. But the one thing that sticks out about you is that you said you are a nor cal person. I'm a nor cal person too, and I can tell you that I wouldn't trade being happy at med school for anything.

Its really, really about you and what you make of it. I know that's hard to believe, but its true.

I live in San Francisco. I take the ferry to Vallejo or drive. I'm very happy doing this. I'm just sitting somewhere studying anyway, so I might as well be sitting on a ferry studying, headed for a city I love.

I'm also the type of person that doesn't always go to class. I do most of my real work on my own. And I show up for the classes I know I can't miss.

But that's me. Everyone is different.

There are great things about Touro. There are some things I would change, even some professors I would fire. But you know, this is life in med school.

My philosophy at this point towards the end of my first year is thus - I had no idea what I signed up for when I signed up for med school. It's way more intense than I thought. Its more personal sacrifice than I thought. And it gets more intense as time goes by. Given that, why not live somewhere you WANT to live for your first two years. Once you do your rotations and especially in your residency, you may not be able to control where you are and the hours you have to spend there.

I don't mean to scare anybody, but I think its important to make yourself as happy as you can under the circumstances. Be somewhere you are going to feel supported and amoungst friends.

OK - that's my little soap box.

b

 

[NewNick]

Cool comments. I'll take it into my consideration when I pick the school. Thanks a lot. You just woke me up.

As always, you have to be careful about what you see here.

I wish that you were really getting a good impression of what going to school will actually be like just be talking to the Dean of Admissions at either school, but the truth is you're not.

As an applicant its hard to understand that you will never see this person after your interview day. Their job is admissions - they have almost nothing to do with your student experience. In my case, I really loved Dr Haight on my interview day. But it doesn't matter now b/c he's not a part of my experience.

I'm a first year at TUCOM-MI. I love my school, so of course I'm biased. But the one thing that sticks out about you is that you said you are a nor cal person. I'm a nor cal person too, and I can tell you that I wouldn't trade being happy at med school for anything.

Its really, really about you and what you make of it. I know that's hard to believe, but its true.

I live in San Francisco. I take the ferry to Vallejo or drive. I'm very happy doing this. I'm just sitting somewhere studying anyway, so I might as well be sitting on a ferry studying, headed for a city I love.

I'm also the type of person that doesn't always go to class. I do most of my real work on my own. And I show up for the classes I know I can't miss.

But that's me. Everyone is different.

There are great things about Touro. There are some things I would change, even some professors I would fire. But you know, this is life in med school.

My philosophy at this point towards the end of my first year is thus - I had no idea what I signed up for when I signed up for med school. It's way more intense than I thought. Its more personal sacrifice than I thought. And it gets more intense as time goes by. Given that, why not live somewhere you WANT to live for your first two years. Once you do your rotations and especially in your residency, you may not be able to control where you are and the hours you have to spend there.

I don't mean to scare anybody, but I think its important to make yourself as happy as you can under the circumstances. Be somewhere you are going to feel supported and amoungst friends.

OK - that's my little soap box.

b

 

[bnch5]

Thanks for your insight bth7! Your input was just what I needed.

I do have a couple of questions about housing. If I decide to go to Touro-MI I definitely want to live in either SF or Berkeley. However, I've lived in Berkeley for several years already and would LOVE to live in the city. My only reservation is that it might be a little too far from campus and might be a hassle in the event that I need to go back to campus for extra anatomy time for example. How's your commute by car? And you mentioned that you sometimes take the ferry....it leaves from the embarcadero directly to mare island? How long does that take you?

thanks so much!

As always, you have to be careful about what you see here.

I wish that you were really getting a good impression of what going to school will actually be like just be talking to the Dean of Admissions at either school, but the truth is you're not.

As an applicant its hard to understand that you will never see this person after your interview day. Their job is admissions - they have almost nothing to do with your student experience. In my case, I really loved Dr Haight on my interview day. But it doesn't matter now b/c he's not a part of my experience.

I'm a first year at TUCOM-MI. I love my school, so of course I'm biased. But the one thing that sticks out about you is that you said you are a nor cal person. I'm a nor cal person too, and I can tell you that I wouldn't trade being happy at med school for anything.

Its really, really about you and what you make of it. I know that's hard to believe, but its true.

I live in San Francisco. I take the ferry to Vallejo or drive. I'm very happy doing this. I'm just sitting somewhere studying anyway, so I might as well be sitting on a ferry studying, headed for a city I love.

I'm also the type of person that doesn't always go to class. I do most of my real work on my own. And I show up for the classes I know I can't miss.

But that's me. Everyone is different.

There are great things about Touro. There are some things I would change, even some professors I would fire. But you know, this is life in med school.

My philosophy at this point towards the end of my first year is thus - I had no idea what I signed up for when I signed up for med school. It's way more intense than I thought. Its more personal sacrifice than I thought. And it gets more intense as time goes by. Given that, why not live somewhere you WANT to live for your first two years. Once you do your rotations and especially in your residency, you may not be able to control where you are and the hours you have to spend there.

I don't mean to scare anybody, but I think its important to make yourself as happy as you can under the circumstances. Be somewhere you are going to feel supported and amoungst friends.

OK - that's my little soap box.

b

 

[heech]

Here's a link to the ferry connecting SF to Vallejo:
http://www.baylinkferry.com/schedule.htm

To get to your 8 AM classes, catch the 6:35 AM ferry and you're in good shape. It leaves from the Ferry Terminal at the corners of Market/Embarcadero, and the trip takes ~50 minutes. It lands in Vallejo, right across from Mare Island... you'll still need some way to get on the island itself. I don't know what bth7 does.. bike? car?

I've taken it a few times on the weekend, and they've been precisely on time every time I've seen it. Of course, it's not like they have to deal with changing traffic conditions on water... a fun little trip.

 

[med26]

The rotations are more flexible with Touro. Also, Western students are on a weird schedule that nobody can figure out.

 

[TheFish005]

The rotations are more flexible with Touro. Also, Western students are on a weird schedule that nobody can figure out.

it's not THAT complicated. basically the first 9 weeks or so are just gross anatomy including head and neck, then you take a course that combines biochem, histology, development, (and another that eludes me right now). OMM and essesentials of clinical med (ECM) run the entire semester. after the winter break, there's another comination course consisting of Micro, Path, Pharm, and Immuno, then systems start, neuro being the first. The combo courses are 'introductions' to all the topics in medicine, but don't let that fool you, 'intro' doesn't mean basic. overall the first year class seems to like it (my class had a different set up). it's good to really only have to focus on anatomy by itself. hope that helps anyone figure out the new schedule!

 

[med26]

it's not THAT complicated. basically the first 9 weeks or so are just gross anatomy including head and neck, then you take a course that combines biochem, histology, development, (and another that eludes me right now). OMM and essesentials of clinical med (ECM) run the entire semester. after the winter break, there's another comination course consisting of Micro, Path, Pharm, and Immuno, then systems start, neuro being the first. The combo courses are 'introductions' to all the topics in medicine, but don't let that fool you, 'intro' doesn't mean basic. overall the first year class seems to like it (my class had a different set up). it's good to really only have to focus on anatomy by itself. hope that helps anyone figure out the new schedule!

Sorry, I was referring to the rotations schedule.

 

[mkitty]

Sorry, I was referring to the rotations schedule.

What is a Western student's daily schedule like? Just curious. Thanks!

 

[Jinyaoysiu]

Sorry, I was referring to the rotations schedule.

I don't think you go to school here, otherwise you would not have made this comment. You probably got your idea from the class of 2007. The schools listened to their complaints last year and this year hired 2 new coordiantors from within the university(people that we all seem to respect and like for their abilities) and they worked with IT dept. to build an online software where we can rank/shop for tracks, then have it processed online. Yes there were some debates within my class when this system and tracks were being designed, but we just got our results 2 days ago and ~60% of us got their first choice and 75% got their top 5. Now we are in the process of trading tracks and specific rotations online for the next 2 week. We're the first class they built this for, and at the end they'll get our feedback and continue to improve it. I have to say though, so far so good.
Being the guinea pigs to try out a new computerized system is not an ideal situation for our class, but it's good to have the administration respond with new personnels and new technology, within one year of class of 2007's complaints.
In reponse to Med26, no, our rotations schedule is not confusing. In fact, I'm sure it's now more personel- and techno-advanced than many schools out there.

 

[Vince]

Hi all,

I'm originally from the bay area, grew up and went to undergrad there. I'm currently living in NYC and I'm excited to go back home for med school.

So...I'm having trouble deciding between Touro-MI and Western.

I like Touro mainly for its location in the bay area. It's closer to my family, to tahoe, great restaurants, and fantastic neighboring cities (but from what I have heard about the curriculum students don't seem to have enough time to enjoy the bay area anyways). I wouldn't exactly say that I really enjoyed my interview experience. It was very very stressful to say the least. I mean we were preparing for the panel interview the entire time! Dr. Haight seemed more concerned about preparing us for the interview than actually informing us about the school/curriculum. But I have spoken to my friend who is a second year over there and she seems to really like it. She says they provide a great, very rigorous education. However, I'm curious about the nonacademics. I know med school is going to be very difficult without a doubt, but I need a good balance of academics and extracurricular activities/ student life to stay sane.

With Western, however, I'm not so enamored with the location (pomona, ca) or LA in general... I'm a norcal person, I don't even want to think about driving in LA traffic... Anyways, I really really liked my interview experience. The whole day was very organized. We heard from various faculty/staff personnel and even the dean spoke to us individually. SoCal weather is great too, though I do also love the bay area weather. And I heard that Western is ranked higher than Touro and has better rotation locations. I was told that Touro students often end up rotating in the LA area anyway. Unlike touro, Western emphasized the nonacademic life that students can have ie clubs, IM sports, extracurriculars, etc. And their students truly looked happy. Plus, I think they have less lecture time and they even have a note taking service in case you want to skip out on lecture.

I've already put down my $2000 deposit at touro and my deadline to put down $1000 at Western is coming up quickly (March 1st).

So if anyone has any feedback/advice about these two schools I would really appreciate it!!

Thanks!

Based on what you have typed above it is clear you would be happier at Touro, plus the fact that you already put money down.

I went to Western, but based on my "post-graduate experiences" with students from both Western or Touro, I would chose Western.

You need to be where you'll be happiest, and family/friends is a valuable resource in medical school so stay in NoCal.

 

[bth7]

Here's a link to the ferry connecting SF to Vallejo:
http://www.baylinkferry.com/schedule.htm

To get to your 8 AM classes, catch the 6:35 AM ferry and you're in good shape. It leaves from the Ferry Terminal at the corners of Market/Embarcadero, and the trip takes ~50 minutes. It lands in Vallejo, right across from Mare Island... you'll still need some way to get on the island itself. I don't know what bth7 does.. bike? car?

I've taken it a few times on the weekend, and they've been precisely on time every time I've seen it. Of course, it's not like they have to deal with changing traffic conditions on water... a fun little trip.

You can leave your car at the Vallejo Ferry Terminal for free overnight. 🙂
Biking works too. The terminal is about 5min from campus by car, probably 20 by bike.

 

[NRAI2001]

What is the average class size of both schools? Do they have waitlists also?

 

[NewNick]

What is the average class size of both schools? Do they have waitlists also?

Check out this link:

http://www.westernu.edu/admissions/do_profile.xml

 

[m16surgeon]

The rotations are more flexible with Touro. Also, Western students are on a weird schedule that nobody can figure out.

FUNNY. I actually laughed when I read this. Here's the 3rd year rotations that are so hard to figure out:

8 weeks Gen IM
6 weeks OB-Gyn
6 weeks Peds
4 weeks OMM
4 weeks FP
4 weeks Surg
4 weeks Psych
4 weeks IM elective
4 weeks Elective (ANYTHING except EM, Research, and International, but I have heard of some students getting exceptions)

And as far as rotations being more flexible at Touro...the fact that Touro paid one of the regional hospitals affiliated with COMP to allow its students to rotate there ALL YEAR LONG speaks very loudly. Also, the same thing is happening farther out west by the beach. Only logical conclusion I could come to is they didn't have good rotations up in Northern California.

Sorry, I'm still laughing

 

[dr.z]

What is the average class size of both schools? Do they have waitlists also?

COMP is about 200 with 30 or so in the Northwest Program. I believe they have waitlist.

 

[heech]

COMP doesn't allow EM at all in the 3rd year, not even as an elective? Bizarre. I don't know if TUCOM's more "flexible", but there are certainly some key differences with the COMP options listed above:

- EM is required at some point, and can be taken in the 3rd year,
- 4 vacation weeks (I assume COMP has this),
- 8 weeks of surgery required in the 3rd year (COMP: 4),
- 4 weeks of peds, 4 weeks of OB/GYN (COMP: 6 weeks of each).
- 8 elective weeks in the 3rd year (as opposed to just 4 at COMP?),
- there's no specific "OMM rotation",

So, looks like TUCOM forces more surgery, but allows student more options in how to structure OB/GYN, peds, EM, and "OMM".

And as far as rotations being more flexible at Touro...the fact that Touro paid one of the regional hospitals affiliated with COMP to allow its students to rotate there ALL YEAR LONG speaks very loudly. Also, the same thing is happening farther out west by the beach. Only logical conclusion I could come to is they didn't have good rotations up in Northern California.

The conclusion that I come up with is that TUCOM is a newer institution, and growing quickly (with TUCOM-NV rotating starting next year)... and I'm not sure what you find so surprising and laughable? Instead of pocketing the tuition, TUCOM's seeking to improve quantity + quality of the rotations available to TUCOM students by placing some percentage into Arrowhead. Seems like a positive for TUCOM students, to me. What, that doesn't happen at COMP?

Since not all COMP students do their cores at Arrowhead, does this mean TUCOM is bumping some of them into second tier affiliations?

As mentioned previously, Arrowhead isn't the only affiliated hospital TUCOM is rolling out this year. Other new affiliated slots include:
- UCSF Fresno
- St. Mary's San Francisco
- John Muir Mt. Diablo

... and a lot of smaller institutions as well.

There's no doubt COMP is more established than TUCOM, just by virtue of its age. Not clear at all this rolls over in any significant sense to the quality of the clincial education.

 

[m16surgeon]

First, let me point out that I am truly sorry you may have taken my post as a personal attack. I guess one can only expect such to happen when things are written over the internet. I was laughing b/c I found it funny, pure and simple...it was my immediate response to reading the post. Mostly, I was laughing that someone would have a hard time figuring out our schedule. And, I agree with you 100% that TUCOM is a newer institution. NO ONE can argue that. I was simply commenting about my experience when it came to "flexibility" in rotations as well as to the "wierd schedule that nobody can figure out."

Now, since you pointed out some key points, I will be a little more specific about COMP's rotation curriculum so that readers can see both sides completely. I initially only put 3rd year rotation requirements, but I will include 4th year too in order to clear up any confusion.

COMP doesn't allow EM at all in the 3rd year, not even as an elective? Bizarre.

This is a rule the Rotations Department made b/c they wanted to give us more time for an elective in 3rd year and also b/c many hospitals won't even take 3rd year students for EM rotations. Now, I do realize that there are many hospitals who will take 3rd years for EM, but the school felt it would be easier for us all to make it a requirement in 4th year.

I don't know if TUCOM's more "flexible", but there are certainly some key differences with the COMP options listed above:

- EM is required at some point, and can be taken in the 3rd year,
- 4 vacation weeks (I assume COMP has this),
- 8 weeks of surgery required in the 3rd year (COMP: 4),
- 4 weeks of peds, 4 weeks of OB/GYN (COMP: 6 weeks of each).
- 8 elective weeks in the 3rd year (as opposed to just 4 at COMP?),
- there's no specific "OMM rotation",

So, looks like TUCOM forces more surgery, but allows student more options in how to structure OB/GYN, peds, EM, and "OMM".

Yes, we do have 4 weeks of vacation, which we can schedule when we like, essentially (especially next year's class I hear). Yes, we also are required 8 weeks of surgery. Only difference is that 4 weeks is required in the 4th year and must be a Sub-I. And yes, we require 4 weeks of OMM. Honestly, I don't understand why any Osteopathic School wouldn't require at least one rotation in OMM, but to each his own. As far as the Peds and OB-Gyn rotations, we are required (starting with the Class of 2007) to complete 6 weeks of each b/c this is the national average and many sub-specialty rotations require that at least 6 weeks be completed to be considered. In the end, this is probably better for the students anyhow. As far as the electives, we essentially have 8 weeks of elective since we choose our 3rd IM rotation.

So, in 4th year, there are only 3 requirements. These are EM, IM Sub-I, and Surgery Sub-I. That makes for a very flexible 7 electives (or 28 weeks).

The conclusion that I come up with is that TUCOM is a newer institution, and growing quickly (with TUCOM-NV rotating starting next year)... and I'm not sure what you find so surprising and laughable?

Like I said before, I was laughing as a shear reaction to why someone would find our rotation schedule difficult to understand. But yes, I agree with you that TUCOM is a newer institution (we seem to agree a lot!! 😍 ). This is exactly the point I was trying to make in reference to rotation availability.

Instead of pocketing the tuition, TUCOM's seeking to improve quantity + quality of the rotations available to TUCOM students by placing some percentage into Arrowhead. Seems like a positive for TUCOM students, to me. What, that doesn't happen at COMP?

I can honestly go on for hours about how COMP has restructured our rotations and clinical education and how $$ plays a role in this change. But honestly, it's not really pertinent and it would take me way too long. Plus, I'm not the school's financial advisor so I'm not really sure I would do the school justice. One thing I can comment on, though, is what one attending mentioned about the extra students. This particular attending was saying how they were told last year that they were required to take TUCOM students. When they said there was simply not enough room in the department to place all these students, they were told "tough sh$t." So, I don't really know if this is a "positive for TUCOM students." But actually, in my experience, things have worked out pretty well, except on the OB-GYN service, where there were just too many students.

Since not all COMP students do their cores at Arrowhead, does this mean TUCOM is bumping some of them into second tier affiliations?

You're right, not all COMP students do their core rotations at Arrowhead. In fact, I don't know of ANY STUDENTS who have been there all year long. Our students get more of a choice this year and rotate through more hospitals. And honestly, IMO, Arrowhead isn't considered a "first tier" affiliation. But no, just as many of our students were able to rotate thru services at Arrowhead as in previous years.

As mentioned previously, Arrowhead isn't the only affiliated hospital TUCOM is rolling out this year. Other new affiliated slots include:
- UCSF Fresno
- St. Mary's San Francisco
- John Muir Mt. Diablo

... and a lot of smaller institutions as well.

There's no doubt COMP is more established than TUCOM, just by virtue of its age. Not clear at all this rolls over in any significant sense to the quality of the clincial education.

Again, this is exactly the point I was trying to make. With time, TUCOM's breadth of rotation slots will come to fruition. And again, I agree that the current state of rotations at TUCOM has nothing to do with the quality of clinical education. Rotations are ALWAYS hit or miss in terms of quality. Two students may have very different experiences on the same service at the same hospital if they have different interns, for example. What I will say is this, however. Going to a school that allows us 8 (or 9, depending on how you look at it) electives gives us the flexibility to rotate at institutions where we may one day want to obtain a residency position. This, I believe is a very important point, especially for those who are trying to obtain very difficult residencies. Many, many changes happened for the Class of 2007 in terms of rotations. In the end, everything will be much better and will make the students stronger residency applicants. Things are still changing in the Rotations Department, so perhaps someone from the Class of 2008 can comment on any new changes for their students.

Have a nice day all!!

 

[Pewl]

In this case I'd pick it based on location. I don't think you'll go wrong either way. my backup choice was Western and I would have gladly gone there if I didn't get into another school I liked better.

Western has a much better feel to it, and that's really important to me.

 

[heech]

It's all good m16surgeon. 🙂

Your original tone did come across as mocking, but I'm glad to see we see eye-to-eye on most of these issues. I've heard exactly the same thing from TUCOM in reference to OB/GYN slots being tight... not just at Arrowhead, but everywhere.