Trasnfer From SGU to USA Med School?

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You and every other Carib student. To put it frankly, are SOL.
Laughing and shaking my head at all the ignorance and negativity being posted in regard to this question. As future physicians I would have hoped you people would have used empirical evidence, not their opinion to respond to this question. It's clear it was the latter. I pray no I care about EVER sees any of you as patients, assuming any of you even make it, with your attitudes.

SGU has step 1 scores that are on par with the average US MD school and a US residency match rate that's right there with US MD schools. (Look it up)

I had, IIRC, about 10 offers from prestigious US MD schools but got an amazing offer from SGU and believing in my abilities, took it, and graduated from SGU with zero debt (yeah I'll gladly live on a tropical island for 2 years for free as opposed to drowning in debt in the states, as the vast majority of you are) and am currently in my 2nd year of a neurosurgical residency at a highly respected east coast university.

Before you knock others down to make yourselves feel better, look in the mirror and decide if you are treating and speaking to others as you would like to be (golden rule in kindergarten, and golden rule in medicine: treat every patient as if s/he was a loved one and maybe some of you will succeed as physicians.

To the OP, I would stay at SGU and work hard and with enough work you'll end up anywhere any US med school grad could.

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Laughing and shaking my head at all the ignorance and negativity being posted in regard to this question. As future physicians I would have hoped you people would have used empirical evidence, not their opinion to respond to this question. It's clear it was the latter. I pray no I care about EVER sees any of you as patients, assuming any of you even make it, with your attitudes.

SGU has step 1 scores that are on par with the average US MD school and a US residency match rate that's right there with US MD schools. (Look it up)

I had, IIRC, about 10 offers from prestigious US MD schools but got an amazing offer from SGU and believing in my abilities, took it, and graduated from SGU with zero debt (yeah I'll gladly live on a tropical island for 2 years for free as opposed to drowning in debt in the states, as the vast majority of you are) and am currently in my 2nd year of a neurosurgical residency at a highly respected east coast university.

Before you knock others down to make yourselves feel better, look in the mirror and decide if you are treating and speaking to others as you would like to be (golden rule in kindergarten, and golden rule in medicine: treat every patient as if s/he was a loved one and maybe some of you will succeed as physicians.

To the OP, I would stay at SGU and work hard and with enough work you'll end up anywhere any US med school grad could.

OK maybe this is sarcasm and I'm missing it... But next time you come up with a BS story like this, make a new account. Cuz according to your post history, you were applying to University of Illinois during the 2015-2016 application cycle lol.
 
Laughing and shaking my head at all the ignorance and negativity being posted in regard to this question. As future physicians I would have hoped you people would have used empirical evidence, not their opinion to respond to this question. It's clear it was the latter.

Yeah, I think we can all tell where this is going.

IDPbc8 said:
I pray no I care about EVER sees any of you as patients, assuming any of you even make it, with your attitudes.

Burnett's Law, check.

IDPbc8 said:
SGU has step 1 scores that are on par with the average US MD school

What percentage of individuals who matriculate at SGU are permitted to sit for Step 1?

IDPbc8 said:
and a US residency match rate that's right there with US MD schools. (Look it up)

The match rate for US seniors was 94.3% this year. What was SGU's, again?

IDPbc8 said:
I had, IIRC, about 10 offers from prestigious US MD schools but got an amazing offer from SGU and believing in my abilities, took it, and graduated from SGU with zero debt

Sure you did. Sure you did.
 
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OK maybe this is sarcasm and I'm missing it... But next time you come up with a BS story like this, make a new account. Cuz according to your post history, you were applying to University of Illinois during the 2015-2016 application cycle lol.

I think we done got trolled! :laugh:
 
SGU has step 1 scores that are on par with the average US MD school and a US residency match rate that's right there with US MD schools. (Look it up)

I had, IIRC, about 10 offers from prestigious US MD schools but got an amazing offer from SGU and believing in my abilities, took it, and graduated from SGU with zero debt (yeah I'll gladly live on a tropical island for 2 years for free as opposed to drowning in debt in the states, as the vast majority of you are) and am currently in my 2nd year of a neurosurgical residency at a highly respected east coast university.

Absolutely LOL, have fun on the island.
 
What has so significantly improved in your application since the time you applied to US schools that you think they will now allow you entry where you were previously denied?

By the way, it's hard enough transferring from one US school to another. To do so from the Caribbean is a near impossible task.
Again laughing that people assume one goes to SGU because they weren't accepted to a US MD school. I CHOSE SGU over many US MD schools, several Ivy, because of scholarships and the rare opportunity of living in a country like Grenada.

And guess what? I'm living my dream, training at one of the best neurological hospitals in the country and was never in debt. There are many paths to a certain destination and no specific one is the "best" one. (Although, with extreme bias, I would never choose another path.)

Open-mindedness is a very important and useful trait to have as a physician. You should try it. 🙂
 
Yeah, I think we can all tell where this is going.



Burnett's Law, check.



What percentage of individuals who matriculate at SGU are permitted to sit for Step 1?



The match rate for US seniors was 94.3% this year. What was SGU's, again?



Sure you did. Sure you did.
About 90%.

Close to 88%.

And yes, I sure did. Thanks bud!
 
OK maybe this is sarcasm and I'm missing it... But next time you come up with a BS story like this, make a new account. Cuz according to your post history, you were applying to University of Illinois during the 2015-2016 application cycle lol.

****. You caught me. I forgot two people could never use the same account . That's sarcasm, although you're right, you'll probably miss it.
 
Again laughing that people assume one goes to SGU because they weren't accepted to a US MD school. I CHOSE SGU over many US MD schools, several Ivy, because of scholarships and the rare opportunity of living in a country like Grenada.

And guess what? I'm living my dream, training at one of the best neurological hospitals in the country and was never in debt. There are many paths to a certain destination and no specific one is the "best" one. (Although, with extreme bias, I would never choose another path.)

Open-mindedness is a very important and useful trait to have as a physician. You should try it. 🙂

Looks like you must have replied to the wrong person. Your post had nothing to do with mine that you quoted.

Honest mistake, it happens from time to time. You may want to proofread more carefully next time.
 
About 90%.

Close to 88%.

And yes, I sure did. Thanks bud!
I would double check the definition of Burnett's Law if I were you, thank God I'm not. Of course if you bothered to look anything up, I wouldn't have needed to make an inspirational, positive post with the addition of dispelling the BS you spewed, in order to hopefully help the OP.
 
Your post's premise seemed to be based on the fact that the OP went to SGU ONLY because he was rejected in the US, based on you speaking about what would have changed from his application. I do apologize if I misinterpreted your post but i believe it's important that people know SGU isn't, by default, a secondary school, and of course for many, it is, but also a significant portion of students choose to go to SGU over US schools.
 
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OP, why did you go to the Caribbean if you are already itching to transfer back to the states? Before signing up for a life of uncertainty, did you realize how difficult it was to transfer back? For the life of me, I cannot understand why people venture down unwanted paths with the hope that an unexpected or once-in-a-lifetime shortcut will appear.

Life would have been much easier if you gritted your teeth and improved your application prior to making, what some would call, an idiotic decision.

I liken your situation to the college basketball player who goes undrafted and ventures 0verseas to play in a Euro league in the hopes of being reconsidered by the NBA. Can it happen? Anything can happen (look at our presidential election). Is it likely? No.
Life of uncertainty So if (insert name of a current NBA superstar) CHOSE to play in a euro league, it would be unlikely for him to get picked up by an NBA team? Please.
 
I won't add to the slew of shut downs being thrown around here, but I do have genuine questions to those currently at SGU:

What is your day to day training like? How do you feel about the quality of your teachers and classmates? What is the morale like down there? Do you realistically feel like you're being trained to be safe and competent doctors? Also, is there a lecture hall with a beach view?


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You think the US would grant accreditation to a medical school if they weren't able to realistically train "safe and competent doctors"? It's the same accreditation as any US school. And one professor who gave lectures on cytogenetics and chromosomal diseases, John Carey MD from the University of Utah met and knew John Langdon Down and John Hilton Edwards, so he was definitely a pioneer in his field.

And yes, there are several lecture halls with beach views. Truly Bluely Beautiful. (Main campus is called True Blue because of how clear the water is.)
 
I had, IIRC, about 10 offers from prestigious US MD schools but got an amazing offer from SGU and believing in my abilities, took it, and graduated from SGU with zero debt (yeah I'll gladly live on a tropical island for 2 years for free as opposed to drowning in debt in the states, as the vast majority of you are) and am currently in my 2nd year of a neurosurgical residency at a highly respected east coast university.

Why not tell us what program you are at? If you are for real, you've already given up your anonymity anyways - the number of neurosurgery programs is pretty small, and the number of "highly respected east coast universities" is even smaller. You are probably the only 2nd year resident from SGU to be training at such a program. I just looked at resident lists from 15 east coast programs and didn't see anyone from the Carib.
 
The match rate for US seniors was 94.3% this year.

The numbers for minorities of US MD Graduates unmatched are striking

Sondheimer HM, Xierali IM, Young GH, Nivet MA. Placement of US Medical School Graduates Into Graduate Medical Education, 2005 Through 2015. JAMA.2015;314(22):2409–2410. doi:10.1001/jama.2015.15702​

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Why not tell us what program you are at? If you are for real, you've already given up your anonymity anyways - the number of neurosurgery programs is pretty small, and the number of "highly respected east coast universities" is even smaller. You are probably the only 2nd year resident from SGU to be training at such a program. I just looked at resident lists from 15 east coast programs and didn't see anyone from the Carib.
He is a troll. Read his posting history. I do know sgu graduates at nsg residencies. I met one the other day. But it was definitely not this guy.
 
The numbers for minorities of US MD Graduates unmatched are striking

Sondheimer HM, Xierali IM, Young GH, Nivet MA. Placement of US Medical School Graduates Into Graduate Medical Education, 2005 Through 2015. JAMA.2015;314(22):2409–2410. doi:10.1001/jama.2015.15702​

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"The percentage of US MD graduates entering GME the year of graduation has remained stable during the past decade despite an increase in the number of graduates. Within 6 years after graduation, almost all graduates entered GME, and the percentage of minority graduates ultimately entering GME approached that of their white colleagues."

It is striking. I am surprised at the discrepancy. It is probably a reflection of networking / connections and setting realistic goals for match.
 
Why not tell us what program you are at? If you are for real, you've already given up your anonymity anyways - the number of neurosurgery programs is pretty small, and the number of "highly respected east coast universities" is even smaller. You are probably the only 2nd year resident from SGU to be training at such a program. I just looked at resident lists from 15 east coast programs and didn't see anyone from the Carib.

It's not hard to figure out the "program" of this guy, there was only one neurosurgery match from SGU in the year that would make them a pgy2 right now. There is no way it's this person, and when you see who it is you will probably see why lol
 
Hello Everyone.

I am a U.S. citizen and recently began school at SGU Medical, I have been searching for a forum about transferring back to the states but could not find one which answered my specific questions and was hoping someone could help. I am looking to transfer back state side from SGU and was wondering whats the earliest you can transfer to american medical schools? I am only in my first year but was wondering if i would be able to transfer after completing this first year? I have heard its very difficult but not impossible. Also would anyone happen to have or know of a list of american medical schools that accept transfer students from SGU? Any help or information on this topic would be greatly appreciated thank you.

EDIT: Ok I didn't realize this thread was a gigantic necro. I'll leave my comment in place and hopefully it'll be of some help to future transfer hopefuls.

I'm a Carib transfer who's currently applying for residency in IM. I received interview offers from some highly ranked IM programs. I'll try to distill my experience down to the important bits and give you some perspective on my peers who have successfully transferred so you can see where you stand.

I messed around in undergrad and didn't have the GPA to get into a US Med school. I understand why US schools wouldn't want to take a risk on an applicant like me when there is a sea of qualified applicants to choose from. I decided to go to a Carib school with the goal of transferring back to a US program. I transferred at the end of my 2nd year to a low-tier US MD program. I'd like to think I redeemed myself in med school the past 4 years (260+ on both Step 1 & Step 2, AOA, tons of ECs, sadly no research). I'm skipping a few details here to remain anonymous, but those are irrelevant details for your purposes.

Basic science grades: Just like residency application, your basic science grades don't matter that much. However, higher grades have a direct correlation with higher board scores.
Step 1: You don't need a stellar score to transfer. 50th+ percentile is often enough. I think my school's cutoff was 235 on the Step 1. Obviously, the higher the better.
List of schools that accept transfers: This is probably the most challenging part. Most US MD programs don't accept non-LCME accredited transfers. The schools that won't advertise it. The policy also changes year-to-year depending on the attrition rate of each program. You will have to call each program you're interested in and ask if they are accepting transfer students from the Caribbean. There isn't a shortcut around this. I think this step is what actually limits most Caribbean students from successfully transferring. I know some friends with stellar scores who didn't transfer simply because they didn't want to do the leg work to research schools that accept transfers.
Timing: Most schools that accept transfers will accept you as an incoming 3rd year. Most programs require your Step 1 score prior to interviewing you for a 3rd year spot, and they will often require the score before you have completed the second year (you can't sit for the Step 1 until you have finished your second year). This means you either take the gamble (and the loan repayments) and take your would be MS-3 year off to hope for a successful transfer, or rack up an additional year worth of loans and apply for a transfer as you complete your MS-3. The best case scenario is that the school offer you a spot contingent upon your Step 1 score meeting their minimum requirement. I was lucky and found a school that fit the best case scenario.

I've also had some friends who successfully transferred from Carib programs and I can tell you a little bit about them
  • Transferred to Drexel at the end of the first year. This person had connection(s) with the school.
  • Transferred at the end of his third year and had to repeat MS-3. He matched into plastics.
  • Another friend matched into a top ranked OB/Gyn program. She transferred at the end of her second year.
  • Transferred at the end of his second year, scores are very similar to mine, applying for Ortho and is likely to get a spot somewhere.
  • One friend barely made the score contingency cutoff but successfully transferred. I think he's applying for general surgery.
  • This is not really a transfer, but one friend reapplied to US programs after spending a year in the Carib and was accepted into a DO program as an incoming MS-1. He's currently an MS-4 and is applying to FM.
Stigma: Medical education is a cutthroat business. I think you already realized that after reading many of the inflammatory and/or unhelpful remarks in this thread. However, you should take what most people say with a grain of salt as they have no actual experience dealing with this issue. Maybe we'll get lucky and aProgDirector will chime in on his/her perspective on how he perceives transfers. Regardless, it's important to be realistic about your goals and realize that there are limitations. There will always be a stigma even if you transfer. It's listed in my MSPE (dean's letter) that I transferred from a Carib program. However, I think my lack of research and my school being a low tier program has hurt me more than my two years in the Carib. At the end of the day, I still show up as a US MD for stats purposes. You should realize that if you are applying for competitive residencies, you will be competing against many people with the same or better scores as you without any red flags, and this puts you at a distinct disadvantage when all things are equal (though they rarely are).

Would I have rather started this journey at a US MD school? Of course! However, looking back, I don't regret my decision to start at a Caribbean program. But maybe that's because my story is turning out well (and hopefully ends well). It taught me many important lessons, many of which were hard learned, and shaped me into who I am today as a medical student. I'd be happy to share them in another thread when the occasion arises.

I wish you the best of luck!

TL;DR - Transferring back to the US is hard but is definitely doable. Have a game plan and know that you are in it for the long haul.
 
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Had a great time in Grenada, although I am happy to be back in the States.
Last time I checked, Grenada, where you're posting from, is not "in the States". Misrepresenting yourself is a serious violation at SDN. You could have used this as an opportunity to offer information and advice to those considering SGU instead of lying about it.

Closing this thread.
 
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Last time I checked, Grenada, where you're posting from, is not "in the States". Misrepresenting yourself is a serious violation at SDN. You could have used this as an opportunity to offer information and advice to those considering SGU instead of lying about it.

Closing this thread.
Though I agree with you that the person is trolling, it possible to post from a proxy, as I do regularly.
 
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