True or false. Nurses and doctors look different.

[badasshairday]

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Patterned scrubs definitely.

Another sensitive measure is the tucking in of scrub tops seen only on physicians.

This.

 

[fancymylotus]

This thread is utterly useless without pictures.

 

[KnuxNole]

Truth, but it does not disprove female nursing students are hotter than female med students.

Nursing students tend to be younger, they tend to have more free time, they tend to be less domineering, their class make-up tends to be larger percentage of females - thus better odds of physical attractiveness, they are also not my classmates that I see 24/7, and most of all they tend to be less crazy around my exam time.

As for intelligence, normal or slightly above normal is just fine. My intelligence is more than enough to carry over into the offspring. Let her be exceptionally above normal in other areas. 🙂

Are we suuuuuuure about this? 😉

 

[Porfirio]

I'm interested in the cell biology underlying this - as I understand it, microtubule mutations might lead to poorly constructed cilia/flagella, but I suppose my speculation on this stems from the fact that this usually leads to more cellular "tumble" movement patterns than a defined pattern of movement. I haven't heard of circular vas deferens syndrome (probably because it is rare) but I assume the sperm are normal but are following the circular path of the vas deferens with no impairment in their capacity for movement in a straight line....I'm wondering if it is biologically possible for a sperm to chase it's tail much in a way like my Labrador used to, haha.

You should get a Ph.D. instead of an M.D.

Are we suuuuuuure about this? 😉

As sure as sure can be.

 

[BurberryDoc]

You should get a Ph.D. instead of an M.D.

Nawww, I should become a physician.

 

[thefritz]

At my school, not only do the nursing and med students have a distinct look, but they are virtually the same. All the med students look exactly the same. They all dress the same, act the same way, have the same sense of humor, send the same stupid emails out to the listserv that they think are humorous, etc. It's like the med school admitted 150 of the exact same person. If I see somebody walking down the street and I think he looks like a med student, I'm right 9/10 times.

It's not just the way they look, it's the way they carry themselves and act. Extremely cocky and dressed like they are trying way, way too hard without any originality. I saw some M3 wearing lime green pants, sperry topsiders and a bow tie, along with the bleach-blonde mop head haircut ON THE WARDS the other day. Hey, if a little bit of prep fashion is good, why not go all the way? Can't imagine if I was gonna go under the knife and somebody like that shows up in his hilarious undersized white jacket right before they wheel me back. I'd think I'd rather have the surgeon from those anti-drug ads in the 90s who was smoking a J right before he puts the mask on you.

 

[Buzz Me]

Another sensitive measure is the tucking in of scrub tops seen only on physicians.

Usually just surgeons. Not OB/GYN, not Ortho. Sometimes Ophtho.

 

[tantacles]

At my school, not only do the nursing and med students have a distinct look, but they are virtually the same. All the med students look exactly the same. They all dress the same, act the same way, have the same sense of humor, send the same stupid emails out to the listserv that they think are humorous, etc. It's like the med school admitted 150 of the exact same person. If I see somebody walking down the street and I think he looks like a med student, I'm right 9/10 times.

It's not just the way they look, it's the way they carry themselves and act. Extremely cocky and dressed like they are trying way, way too hard without any originality. I saw some M3 wearing lime green pants, sperry topsiders and a bow tie, along with the bleach-blonde mop head haircut ON THE WARDS the other day. Hey, if a little bit of prep fashion is good, why not go all the way? Can't imagine if I was gonna go under the knife and somebody like that shows up in his hilarious undersized white jacket right before they wheel me back. I'd think I'd rather have the surgeon from those anti-drug ads in the 90s who was smoking a J right before he puts the mask on you.

and this is why we have anesthesia: So you don't have to be subjected to the poor fashion choices of the medical students treating you.

 

[JediZero]

I'm interested in the cell biology underlying this - as I understand it, microtubule mutations might lead to poorly constructed cilia/flagella, but I suppose my speculation on this stems from the fact that this usually leads to more cellular "tumble" movement patterns than a defined pattern of movement. I haven't heard of circular vas deferens syndrome (probably because it is rare) but I assume the sperm are normal but are following the circular path of the vas deferens with no impairment in their capacity for movement in a straight line....I'm wondering if it is biologically possible for a sperm to chase it's tail much in a way like my Labrador used to, haha.

Really? Never heard of it? There was a case report in the Journal of Creative and Factitious Medicine last month...

 

[Winged Scapula]

Usually just surgeons. Not OB/GYN, not Ortho. Sometimes Ophtho.

Must be site specific because IMHO OB and Ortho both tuck in their scrub tops just like GS. Can't say I've ever seen Ophtho actually in the hospital in anything other than a sneer and street clothes.

 

[tantacles]

Must be site specific because IMHO OB and Ortho both tuck in their scrub tops just like GS. Can't say I've ever seen Ophtho actually in the hospital in anything other than a sneer and street clothes.

The sneer is part of the uniform. Added the very day SDN was created.

 

[JaneMarie23]

Turn 'em upside down and they all look the same! Amirite?

Roflmao.

 

[Winged Scapula]

The sneer is part of the uniform. Added the very day SDN was created.

Good to know. I had assumed it was in response to an in-hospital consult "after hours". I will not longer feel responsible for the sneer.

 

[tantacles]

Good to know. I had assumed it was in response to an in-hospital consult "after hours". I will not longer feel responsible for the sneer.

I hope that when I'm doing rounds in EM, I get someone like you when I call for a consult. I figure you'll have just the right combination of yelling and teaching (they go together on rounds, or so I've heard.).

 

[neusu]

I hope that when I'm doing rounds in EM, I get someone like you when I call for a consult. I figure you'll have just the right combination of yelling and teaching (they go together on rounds, or so I've heard.).

EM doesn't round. They "sign-out" and then neglect to pass on 90% of the useful information. I sometimes wonder if anyone down there has actually ever seen the patient.

 

[tantacles]

EM doesn't round. They "sign-out" and then neglect to pass on 90% of the useful information. I sometimes wonder if anyone down there has actually ever seen the patient.

Yeah, I know EM doesn't round. The sentiment still applies, though.

 

[Doctor Bob]

EM doesn't round. They "sign-out" and then neglect to pass on 90% of the useful information. I sometimes wonder if anyone down there has actually ever seen the patient.

.... .... really?

 

[Winged Scapula]

I hope that when I'm doing rounds in EM, I get someone like you when I call for a consult. I figure you'll have just the right combination of yelling and teaching (they go together on rounds, or so I've heard.).

Although I have been known to raise my voice and use profanity on occasion, I'm not much for yelling. Sorry to disappoint.

My MO runs much more along the lines of exasperated heavy sighs, rolling of eyes and passive aggressive comments. Works well on the end of the phone or in person. Very satisfying.

 

[tantacles]

Although I have been known to raise my voice and use profanity on occasion, I'm not much for yelling. Sorry to disappoint.

My MO runs much more along the lines of exasperated heavy sighs, rolling of eyes and passive aggressive comments. Works well on the end of the phone or in person. Very satisfying.

I imagine I would find this amusing and informative. I eagerly await your disdain.

 

[Winged Scapula]

I imagine I would find this amusing and informative. I eagerly await your disdain.

🙄 👎 😴

Disdain initiated.

 

[Nasrudin]

We're making a lovely case for ourselves.

Not only can we not even maintain focus on our amazing abilities to visually inspect for intelligence--expertly detecting cases of stupid face--but we manage to rub **** in the faces of our colleagues randomly, for no reason.

So what do dermatologists or neurosurgeons think of the rest of us. Do we just have a stupid faced look. Like we should wear bibs and drink from sippy cups?

 

[tantacles]

We're making a lovely case for ourselves.

Not only can we not even maintain focus on our amazing abilities to visually inspect for intelligence--expertly detecting cases of stupid face--but we manage to rub **** in the faces of our colleagues randomly, for no reason.

So what do dermatologists or neurosurgeons think of the rest of us. Do we just have a stupid faced look. Like we should wear bibs and drink from sippy cups?

I only do this before exams, but I find it really helps to decrease secondary narcoleptic fluid loss due to excessive exam material retention.

 

[Siggy]

The difference is that Allnurses.com is a much funnier forum than studentdoctor.net.

Do you know why we have phototherapy for jaundiced newborns? A physician that was smart enough to consider what the nursing staff in his unit had noticed about the recovery of newborns placed near the windows of the nursery vs. away from the sunlight. Now our babies are fleshy and pink like they are supposed to be!

Also because medium rare baby back ribs taste better than rare baby back ribs.

 

[BurberryDoc]

The difference is that Allnurses.com is a much funnier forum than studentdoctor.net.



Also because medium rare baby back ribs taste better than rare baby back ribs.

lulz

 

[Siggy]

lulz

On a side, but related note, I wonder if my audition rotations will go poorly once people realize that if I match into their program they have to put up with my sense of humor for 4 years. In my defense, my sense of humor is a genetic disorder passed on from my father.

 

[Tatastrophy]

you guys must really bored to be having this non-conversation. But I thought this was interesting:

Another sensitive measure is the tucking in of scrub tops seen only on physicians.

I do this mostly because even the smallest hospital issue scrub tops look enormous and billowy on me. I figured the Urkel look was the lesser of the two evils, so I tame the enormo-top with the scrub pants.
Nurses wear those Greys Anatomy scrubs that are designed to fit a female frame. I am not sure what I feel about this.

 

[Anastomoses]

The stuff that's on the front pages of allnurses makes the allo forum look like Shakespeare.

Great, now I have to see this.

 

[shibby1111]

in a standard nursing class 65 out of 80 girls are smoking hot. in standard med school class 3 out of 80 girls are smoking hot. 50 of the 65 hot nursing girls are 5 times as hot as the 3 med school girls. the nurses smile and have white teeth because they don't drink as much coffee and mountain dew. they have time to work out which gives them a nice ass.

 

[Anastomoses]

in a standard nursing class 65 out of 80 girls are smoking hot. in standard med school class 3 out of 80 girls are smoking hot. 50 of the 65 hot nursing girls are 5 times as hot as the 3 med school girls. the nurses smile and have white teeth because they don't drink as much coffee and mountain dew. they have time to work out which gives them a nice ass.

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice you forgot to include how many smoking hot med student guys are in a class of 80. Could you run those numbers for me?

 

[fancymylotus]

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice you forgot to include how many smoking hot med student guys are in a class of 80. Could you run those numbers for me?

Hahahahahahahahaha. God I love you.

 

[Brain Bucket]

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice you forgot to include how many smoking hot med student guys are in a class of 80. Could you run those numbers for me?

The fewer the better?

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[touchpause13]

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice you forgot to include how many smoking hot med student guys are in a class of 80. Could you run those numbers for me?

A+ for the day
I lol'd

 

[DrEnderW]

A+ for the day
I lol'd

Responding to your sig... glad to see you got an acceptance! I've seen you posting here for awhile. Congrats.

 

[touchpause13]

Responding to your sig... glad to see you got an acceptance! I've seen you posting here for awhile. Congrats.

Aw thank you I appreciate that!
I couldn't be happier!

 

[Siggy]

The majority just end up being nurses patting each other on the back about how hard they work. Those 36-40 hour weeks sure take their toll.

With their 5 patient limit with all of their patients in the same unit. It gives them plenty of time to moan about the physician not responding immediately to the K of 3.4 and only being there for 5 minutes. No ___... rounding on 25 patients spread out over 9 units and 4 floors tends to take time.

 

[acceptmeplease]

With their 5 patient limit with all of their patients in the same unit. It gives them plenty of time to moan about the physician not responding immediately to the K of 3.4 and only being there for 5 minutes. No ___... rounding on 25 patients spread out over 9 units and 4 floors tends to take time.

The grass isn't always greener...

Some patients with a 5:1 ratio aren't bad, but some patients have a **** ton of orders, tasks, and random bullshine to chart for the sake of meeting "core measures". Some days there are a few hours where it is a breeze, but most aren't. It takes a second to order something, but then granny with Alzheimer's pulls out her IV on what is probably her only good vein and the patient next door just had an enema and is ****ing everywhere and mr chest painer across the hall wants his AMA forms so he can go smoke while ER is bringing up another C-diff patient.

Stuff adds up.

Nurses gripe about doctors who gripe about nurses. We all need each other.

Many times we have to call a doctor because the patients threaten to screw our press ganey scores. Patients know that if they aren't waited on hand and foot they can complain and it is never their fault for being whiney.

Btw, I'm working 84 hours this week. Worked 72 last week. Will work 72 next week.

 

[imperturbable]

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice you forgot to include how many smoking hot med student guys are in a class of 80. Could you run those numbers for me?

I've actually been impressed by the amount of fit, good-looking guys in my class and in the classes above & below. Different residents and attendings have commented on my group's "swoleness" (for lack of a better word) on 2/2 rotations so far. I can't really say the same for the girls; less than 10 of the girls in my class can compete with the nursing/PT/RT students in terms of "hotness," and the drop-off is pretty steep to be completely honest and shallow. The classes below us seem to have better ratios. Whether or not they're more attractive is a different discussion.

Yeah nursing students just look stupid when you look at them. They just have that stupid appearance like they're not intelligent. To be fair, though, there are way more hot nursing students than med students.

However, with the hot med students, they don't have that dumb look to them. They're hot and also look intelligent. I think it has to do with the way they speak, word choice, their interests, and conversation topics. Just the way they carry themselves.

A cute med student is definitely way better than a hot nursing student. An ugly med student is worse than a hot nursing student, though. A hot med student...well obviously they're the best. I can really only say there are maybe 2 hot girls in my med student class, though. There are a few more cute ones but yea.

This is the worst attitude to have on rotations and in residency - and probably in life. In my experience, the nursing students seem to be a lot more superficial in their interests, but I can't ever tell that just by looking at them.

 

[shibby1111]

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice you forgot to include how many smoking hot med student guys are in a class of 80. Could you run those numbers for me?

By virtue of being a male and a med student, 100% of them are smoking hot, you want all of them, and if you don't, you're a liar.

 

[thefritz]

You were the one you didnt get how taxes work right?

And derp, you're working those hours because you want to, getting paid time and a half with mandatory breaks during each of those shifts. Ask the residents when their lunch break is (hint: they'll laugh in your face). Don't act like those hours are anywhere near standard.

It's funny how you flex your knowledge of the tax system at every opportunity you get, especially when a semantics error is posted that does little to take away from the poster's point (taxes are higher when you earn more). Somehow if you don't have all the tax brackets memorized, everything you say is somehow invalid. Got it.

Also nurses are well aware that doctors get paid far more than they do and know that residents are in training to be doctors earning such money. I would wager most nurses would choose a $250,000 annual income over an hourly wage with guaranteed smoke breaks.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Aw thank you I appreciate that!
I couldn't be happier!

Strong work !!

 

[David Hasselhof]

Sorry, I couldn't help but notice you forgot to include how many smoking hot med student guys are in a class of 80. Could you run those numbers for me?

Males are just inherently better looking than females (no homo).

We look better as we age, whereas females require plastic surgery, makeup, botox, etc.

 

[SouthernBelle12]

Males are just inherently better looking than females (no homo).

Which is completely irrelevant to the fact that hot male med students are few and far between. And is also a questionably valid statement.

We look better as we age, whereas females require plastic surgery, makeup, botox, etc.

But if your baseline level of attractiveness is ugly or mediocre or ehhh...doable, then aging sure as **** isn't going to skyrocket you into "hot" status.

 

[Anastomoses]

I've actually been impressed by the amount of fit, good-looking guys in my class and in the classes above & below. Different residents and attendings have commented on my group's "swoleness" (for lack of a better word) on 2/2 rotations so far. I can't really say the same for the girls; less than 10 of the girls in my class can compete with the nursing/PT/RT students in terms of "hotness," and the drop-off is pretty steep to be completely honest and shallow. The classes below us seem to have better ratios. Whether or not they're more attractive is a different discussion.

I'm happy for your class, but as you point out it's an exception. Lucky girls!

By virtue of being a male and a med student, 100% of them are smoking hot, you want all of them, and if you don't, you're a liar.

Yeah...um...no. Guys in the mba programs look like supermodels compared to most med student guys I've seen.

Males are just inherently better looking than females (no homo).
We look better as we age, whereas females require plastic surgery, makeup, botox, etc.

You have to be kidding me. Most men look like ass when they hit 35...their hairlines tend to recede creating a horror where once there may have been someone boyish and handsome. plenty have trouble with their bellies + chin fat; not to mention the big pores. Sure, there are exceptions but this is the rule. You're just another case of a guy conflating reality to suit what he'd love to believe.

 

[touchpause13]

Males are just inherently better looking than females (no homo).

We look better as we age, whereas females require plastic surgery, makeup, botox, etc.

Obvious troll is obvious

 

[yehhhboiii]

Males are just inherently better looking than females (no homo).

We look better as we age, whereas females require plastic surgery, makeup, botox, etc.

hope you do well on step 1 since it sounds like you're interested in urology

 

[Stellar Clouds]

Yeah...um...no. Guys in the mba programs look like supermodels compared to most med student guys I've seen

That's because people in the business world know how to dress nicely and that can make a world of difference.

MBA: I'll put on my freshly pressed brooks brothers shirt and slacks with matching tie and fancy dress shoes.

Med student: I'll wear my tennis shoes with my wrinkle free dockers. Socks are okay with sandals, right?

 

[rfvbnmju]

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[Nasrudin]

I'm happy for your class, but as you point out it's an exception. Lucky girls!



Yeah...um...no. Guys in the mba programs look like supermodels compared to most med student guys I've seen.



You have to be kidding me. Most men look like ass when they hit 35...their hairlines tend to recede creating a horror where once there may have been someone boyish and handsome. plenty have trouble with their bellies + chin fat; not to mention the big pores. Sure, there are exceptions but this is the rule. You're just another case of a guy conflating reality to suit what he'd love to believe.

Damn. That was brutal. I wish a I could defend my demographic against these heinous attacks....but....nothing comes to mind.

Except to advance the general point that relatively speaking male and female med students are probably a solid C plus. We're decent. But the training is harsh. So don't worry about these overly cocky male students. They're usually the type to be paying alimony to their trophy wife and her personal trainer to raise their own kids by the time they're my age.

Life has its revenge on arrogance. Always.

 

[acceptmeplease]

You were the one you didnt get how taxes work right?

And derp, you're working those hours because you want to, getting paid time and a half with mandatory breaks during each of those shifts. Ask the residents when their lunch break is (hint: they'll laugh in your face). Don't act like those hours are anywhere near standard.

Looking at my e-stubs online, I can calculate that my tax bracket does fluctuate. Heaven forbid I, as a nurse, can use a calculator. My base pay puts me at about $34,000 a year. That puts me in the 15% federal tax bracket (the cut off of which is $36,250). When I work overtime, the system (our hospital uses Lawson) does not care how many hours I work, it assumes my pay is going to be higher and does adjust accordingly. Specifically, when I work more than 8 hours overtime, my federal taxes increase by 10% because the next bracket is $36,251-$87,850 because I file single no dependents.

My state taxes increase, too, but it's on a more graduated scale.

There are times, especially when I'm charge nurse, that I don't get a "mandatory" break. Lately it's because there are quite a few dumb people in my profession and if they kill their patients it reflects poorly on our unit and me.

I work in a new unit. The requirements to work in my unit are different than others because it requires a unique orientation through the neuro ICU, ER, and tele floors. Because we are new, there are few PRN nurses that can fill in when people are sick, on vacation, etc. While the hours I work are not typical, it's also not typical for me to pat myself on the back for only working 36-40 hours a week.

There are no mandatory breaks at my facility.

As negative as my posts sound, I like helping sick people, I'm just not fond of the nursing role.

 

[Stellar Clouds]

Looking at my e-stubs online, I can calculate that my tax bracket does fluctuate. Heaven forbid I, as a nurse, can use a calculator. My base pay puts me at about $34,000 a year. That puts me in the 15% federal tax bracket (the cut off of which is $36,250). When I work overtime, the system (our hospital uses Lawson) does not care how many hours I work, it assumes my pay is going to be higher and does adjust accordingly. Specifically, when I work more than 8 hours overtime, my federal taxes increase by 10% because the next bracket is $36,251-$87,850 because I file single no dependents.

My state taxes increase, too, but it's on a more graduated scale.

There are times, especially when I'm charge nurse, that I don't get a "mandatory" break. Lately it's because there are quite a few dumb people in my profession and if they kill their patients it reflects poorly on our unit and me.

I work in a new unit. The requirements to work in my unit are different than others because it requires a unique orientation through the neuro ICU, ER, and tele floors. Because we are new, there are few PRN nurses that can fill in when people are sick, on vacation, etc. While the hours I work are not typical, it's also not typical for me to pat myself on the back for only working 36-40 hours a week.

There are no mandatory breaks at my facility.

As negative as my posts sound, I like helping sick people, I'm just not fond of the nursing role.

You do realize that only the money over 36,250 is taxed at the higher rate and not your entire salary? So if you make 40,000, only 3,750 is taxed at the higher rate.