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i'm definitely going on this when i go down for my interview. i just pushed my flight back for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/12/13/hurricanes.tour.reut/index.html

and to the underdog - i think i remember goose saying it took way too long to get the acceptance letter but that dr beckman basically told him through e-mail that he was in. so you may wanna try e-mailing her. don't expect the letter probably for 2-3 weeks after your interview, but thats just a wild guess. best of luck.
-mota
 
DaMota said:
and to the underdog - i think i remember goose saying it took way too long to get the acceptance letter but that dr beckman basically told him through e-mail that he was in. so you may wanna try e-mailing her. don't expect the letter probably for 2-3 weeks after your interview, but thats just a wild guess. best of luck.
-mota
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underdog--

it took about four weeks, but they said they sent it after ~2 weeks (it apparently got lost in the mail, so they re-sent it)... i got the 411 from suzana v via telephone (her # is posted somewhere on this thread awhile back.) best of luck to ya!

goose.
 
clusterfcuk said:
At least ~20 of the first-year students are not returning for the spring semester, and some/most of them will likely be joining the class of 2010 at some point, either in the fall or spring. a few superstars have already left and may not be returning at all.
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being a first year student, I can say that this is patently false. I know two students who are going back to NOLA to finish some graduate work, deferring for a year. Three students deferred immediately after Katrina and one transferred. The ACP program was canned for the year and those students were encouraged to reapply.

As for the post about one researcher bringing in 38 million. Darwin Prockop has huge research grants and has by far the majority of 48 million in funds. Over the summer he received a 9.5 million dollar grant in addition to what he already had.
 
southerncomfort said:
Yeah, isn't it ironic that "being part of the rebuilding and renewal of New Orleans" means gutting the engineering school in light of one of the biggest engineering failures in modern history. 😕
So disappointing...

(btw: they're "levees", not "levies" 🙂 )
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The other huge irony is that one of the largest donations in Tulane history was from a computer science grad...a dude named David Filo who started a little flash in the pan deal called Yahoo. Computer science is one of the many programs they're cutting.

Filo ponied up $30 million dollars along with Jim Clark from Netscape for a total of $60 million. Both, obviously, computer/engineering guys. The School of Engineering was also a driving force behind Tulanes claim to higher SAT/ACT scores.

I've made my displeasure with their decisions quite clear to them, but Tulane engineering geeks like myself make up such a small part of the Alumni population, I don't think they care...after all, they have to keep fielding mediocre NCAA teams and all. When I was at Tulane, the whole basketball team had been arrested and put in jail over a huge point shaving scandal...personally, never missed basketball.

Oldie
 
DaMota said:
ya here's the link for anyone else interested. call the 800 number and leave a message.

http://www.graylineneworleans.com/

-mota
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(Stepping onto the soapbox)
For those wanting to do the "tour" of the devastation (needless to say, many are not thrilled at the idea of this new "tourist" idea), how about inviting your senators and representatives along for the ride? Or at the very least, take some pictures to show to people back home and host a letter-writing party for all your friends and family. Washington is deciding our fate by its indecision and just hoping we'll silently "go away" without any fuss.

There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people who are in limbo waiting for a decision from the government IF they can get permits to rebuild their homes AT ALL. Will they have to raise their homes and pay $30,000+ out of pocket to do so? Had flood insurance? Good luck getting a payout on it! Your home that's valued at $300K and had 7' of water--here's $45,000 and your contents aren't covered. And homeowner's insurance does not cover a cent of flood damage. Oh, and the 60' fallen trees that you need cleared from your property aren't covered in a hurricane, just every other natural event. And don't think you're going to get any kind of insurance again if those levees aren't repaired!

We've found out that Michael "heckuva job" Brown needed more time to eat dinner in Baton Rouge while thousands sweated in the Dome. And while George W. stood in Jackson Square and promised to rebuild NO "higher and better", the silence from Washington has been downright deafening.

Some things you'll see on your tour--dead trees and vegetation every where (most living things don't hold up well being under salty water for weeks at a time), gray silt on everything, flooded cars (100,000s of 'em!--they're gray, too), sheetrock (on the curb), no electricity or other utilities in vast areas, no residents in many areas, a disturbing brown "bathtub ring" on everything that shows the flood line, blue roofs, "dead" refrigerators duct-taped closed with the infamous NO dark humor messages on the outside (for the love of all things sacred, do not go near them!), coffin flies (what's a coffin fly? try Google--it ain't no fruit fly, for sure).

What you may not see on tour, but you will if you spend a little time in the area--hundreds of thousands of people who just want to go home; those same people who aren't mourning the loss of their pretty home or their plasma screen tv, but who are lamenting the loss of family photos and mementos that were passed down; people still searching for their pets, people still searching for their loved ones, people still searching for jobs; people whose very way of life and culture has developed in the face of adversity, but who have one of the most welcoming, easy attitudes of life and who can still find hope and humor in it all.

So please take the tour, see it (and smell it) for yourself, take some pictures to share back home. And spread the word that NO is not back to normal, but far from it, and is slowly being allowed to die by the powers-that-be. Go home and write your Congressional reps and senators.
Just some thoughts to keep in mind while you tour...
(Stepping off of soapbox)
 
It looks like some information is forthcoming.... today could be a very big day

(From the SOM website https://som.tulane.bcm.edu/content.cfm?menu_id=119)

Dr. Paul Whelton, Sr. Vice President for the Health Sciences, will address the Tulane at Baylor Faculty, Students and Staff Wednesday, December 14 at 1:00 in the Cullen Auditorium.

Please plan to be present for this important meeting.

Paul K. Whelton, M.D., M.Sc.
Professor of Epidemiology and Medicine
Senior Vice President for Health Sciences
Tulane University Health Sciences Center
 
CoffeeCat said:
everyone's crying...sheesh...I really wish I had video too.
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can you believe all this?
this is BY FAR the best wealth of information i've heard so far about the future of Tulane... wow.
 
Its kinda hard to hear what some of the students are saying in the Q and A....what are you all making of this? Some students seem angry, but it seems that they are really working hard to get this all together and furthermore, it sounds that they are really pushing to make Tulane climb in the rankings...thoughts?
 
Kitra101 said:
Its kinda hard to hear what some of the students are saying in the Q and A....what are you all making of this? Some students seem angry, but it seems that they are really working hard to get this all together and furthermore, it sounds that they are really pushing to make Tulane climb in the rankings...thoughts?
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Some seem very angry...as does the clapping that follows the questions.
 
Everyone seems very emotional/angry at times, nothing unexpected given the hell that they've gone through. I'm glad the transition between deans has gone relatively smoothly though.
 
So what do you all think this will mean in terms of the curriculum and the role that we as students will play next year? Do you think that there will be as much, more, any clinical experience during the first 2 years - or beyond? It seems that the students assert that the faculty asked to leave are those that are crucial to their experience, while it seems the dean asserts that those were not "essential" for the goals of the new mission. What are your thoughts?
 
here's a more up to date one:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/15/bush.levees.ap/index.html

i find this part ridiculous:
When asked if the levees would be built to withstand a Category 5 storm, officials used broader language instead, promising that the city's citizens would be safe and the levees would be "stronger and better."

nothing like some "broader language" to get the day started in the white house.

Me:"Hey G.W., did you do copious amounts of cocaine back in college?"...
G.W.: "I'm sorry, can you repeat that in some broader language please"
-mota
 
warning: LONG POST, read at your own risk.

damn you SDN... I wrote a long reply but the system ate it.

Had my interview, it went quite well. I too was informed by Dr B that I'd "make a good fit" so I think I'll just wait for my letter...

How your day will go:

- students will greet you (not the ones interviewing you)
- Q&A with Dr B
- interview schedules given out, with 1/2 hour blocks... you have 2 blocks free
- interviews with 2 faculty. Since there are 6 candidates and only 4 blocks for faculty interviews, only 4 will get Dr B, obviously.
- student interview over lunch

When you're given the schedules, you're given 3 personalized forms (with your name on them), with various fields for the interviewers to fill out (standard questions, assessing fit, academics, motivation for medicine, etc.)

Actually, I was given a couple of ethical questions too... but they were off-the-cuff just to see how I'd answer, I think, and pretty easy... "If you had a patient who is X, how would you convince them to do Y?" sort of stuff.

Remember that interview != guaranteed admission. Everyone's technically 'acceptable range' but there were definitely really insipid interviewees over the days I was there. So, act your best! Your sincerity will speak volumes though, so don't worry. Admission standards are STILL going to be high, there is no reduction in GPA/MCAT/extracurric/essay expectations!

Taylor's/Whelton's talk was super emotional. Wow. Actually, a lot of people were hugging Taylor before he spoke... he just couldn't live with himself to separate people who he'd personally hired and wooed over the years. So sad. The cut (140, not 180... they were able to save those extra 40, out of a total of 600 faculty) is tough, but in sheer numbers, it represents what staffing levels were right before Taylor was named Dean. Just to give you an idea of how awesome Taylor is - he personally paid for the parking passes for ALL Tulane students at Baylor... yet he *walks* to work every day. He personally offered to pay for anyone who couldn't afford to evacuate from Rita in Houston. etc. etc.

I don't think the the class of 2010 will be affected as much by what's happened... I really feel bad for the other years, though. Hospitals in NOLA are scheduled to open soon. They also want to have a Harvard-like 'affiliation' system, so they're extending branches to Ochsner, West Jeffferson and other hospitals in the area. A T4 aptly pointed out that the problems were simply caused by *fewer patients* = less dollars brought in.

Tulane's greatest strength is clinical... that's the reason for tons of matches at UCLA med, Mayo, Barnes-Jewish (WashU), etc. Our clinical years are over 2.5 years away, and by that time, hospitals and revenue streams should be restored, provided the government builds those @#!@ levees. Clinical orientation begins first year though -- with community preceptors (doctors 'out there' in the field)... that's not going to change, and I'm really looking forward to it. I'm going to be really happy to go somewhere where (as one interviewer put it), people "watch out for your back, rather than stab you in it".

When I get back home, it's going to be such a great feeling to withdraw my interviews at all those bitterly cold northeast schools... bye bye Case (boring ohio), Einstein, etc.

Any questions? Reply here, and/or PM me. kudos if you read this entire thing.

time to go on vacation...!
 
Kitra101 said:
Its kinda hard to hear what some of the students are saying in the Q and A....what are you all making of this? Some students seem angry, but it seems that they are really working hard to get this all together and furthermore, it sounds that they are really pushing to make Tulane climb in the rankings...thoughts?
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the undercurrent is really that people are angry at scott cowen, fat used car salesman extraordinaire. he hasn't even addressed the med school!!! it's his fault that people found out through the national news. the administration of this medical school is actually *really* great, they are so on top of their stuff. they have personal LCME contacts... I mean they convinced the LCME to let students do core rotations at Baylor! That's amazingly unheard of... and I don't think there are going to be any dangers of future accreditation... Tulane is by no means another Temple waiting to happen.

students are frustrated and upset. they're also upset that they weren't as informed by the administration as they could have been... but they are taking steps to correct this.

and as for rankings, that's another cowen thing... NIH research$... i think people are actually pissed because they came to tulane b/c of its STRONG clinical focus (and I want to go for this reason too). in terms of clinical rankings, this school is really high... you really learn the nuts and bolts extremely well. i also went to a faculty lecture, and the guy was amazing! extremely knowledgeable, great teaching. there's no question this is a good school.

and also remember, they kept reiterating that they won't settle for anything but a top class school... that anything else is just a compromise.
 
anon-y-mouse-
thanks for the post and PM. can't wait for my interview. hopefully see you next august.

btw, you have a great vocabulary.
-mota
 
hey, sorry if this is answered elsewhere, i decided to submit the secondary to tulane and i was just wondering if the address on the sec is where i should send everything, or is there an alternate address??? thanks a million.
 
I actually know the answer to this! Submit it to Gretna, as per the instructions. They're doing the 'great merger' next week.
 
anon-y-mouse, I think I was in your interview group this past Wed. What did you think of the meeting? I thought it spoke pretty highly of the school that they let interviewees attend. Im sure hoping to hear some good news from Tulane soon! WHat do you think the clinical situation will be like for T1s next fall?
 
LSUtiger1 said:
WHat do you think the clinical situation will be like for T1s next fall?
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Just so you guys know, the clinical exposure for 1st years and even 2nd years at Tulane pre-Katrina is not as much as what you might think. As a first year, you pretty much meet up with a preceptor one afternoon 4-6 times a semester. You really just try to work on your interviewing skills. This is the required stuff. Now you can go volunteer time and accumulate hours doing all sorts of work like bridge house (a drug rehab center), women's shelters, etc. However, the mandated clinical time is not much at all in comparison to your rotations as 3rd and 4th years. It's mostly gonna affect the current 2nd and 3rd years, and that's why you saw some people in the meeting a little ticked that they weren't being kept in the loop. But I'm certain our administration is working their tail off to set up quality rotations in the available facilities in NO in preparation for Jul/Aug. Hey, they knew that they had to keep our rotations going right after Katrina, and they were able, through the help of Baylor and UTH, to set up 3rd and 4th years with quality rotations in 5 weeks time. So I believe my education won't suffer one bit. I'm not really worried about it. I might be in the minority. I noticed some frustration from some students, but I think their main concern was that they were not informed as well as they could be, and that issue was addressed on numerous occasions. The administration acknowledged the issue and said they would improve on it.

Anyway, your main goals as 1st and 2nd years is to study books, and you don't need patients for that. So having Katrina wipe out the patient population really shouldn't affect the incoming class whatsoever.

Finally, in that meeting a lot of negatives were addressed and discussed. What I think might have gotten lost in the shuffle, for those here who attended, was all the positives that were not talked about. The most important thing in my opinion is that our administration managed to continue our education in the midst of probably the worst natural disaster in US history to allow us to graduate on time. Students are frustrated, no question about. But, all that frustration really needs to be guided at that witch Katrina. Our administration runs the show...a natural disaster occurs...our administration has to make unprecedented changes in short time periods...since these situations and decisions have never happened before, people are gonna have questions and be upset. That's just the way it is. If you weigh the positives that the administration has done versus their negatives, I think the positives win decisiviely.
 
excalibur,
that is an excellent post. i'm headed to TUSM next year, and i couldnt' be more excited. our clinical opportunities will be unprecedented in the next few years, and i'm certain that the large patient population will return to NOLA soon. my dad's a physician down there (private practice) and he and my mom have debated terribly about leaving/relocating etc. there is much uncertainty in every aspect of people's lives down in NO, but that uncertainty soon fades, and normalcy returns. despite my house being screwed (my brother's room especially-which i found fiendishly amusing!) they're staying b/c they've spent our whole lives down there, and they feel that if they turn their backs on NOLA now (as middle/upper class citizens) then the city will be condemned for good. it was rough in the beginning for my dad and his practice was tremendously slow. but he tells me that each week, more and more people come back and things get rebuilt faster, better, and that life is moving on. i think people tend to forget that we are still ONLY 4 months out of the WORST natural disaster in US History, and the worst governmental failure in US History (some debate here?). and still so much has been done: especially by Tulane Univeristy and the SOM. the administrations at all levels of government do realize the inextricable link between NO as a city and Tulane as a university: neither can function without the other. as such, i think we'll be fine....
 
anon-y-mouse said:
the undercurrent is really that people are angry at scott cowen, fat used car salesman extraordinaire. he hasn't even addressed the med school!!! it's his fault that people found out through the national news. the administration of this medical school is actually *really* great, they are so on top of their stuff. they have personal LCME contacts... I mean they convinced the LCME to let students do core rotations at Baylor! That's amazingly unheard of... and I don't think there are going to be any dangers of future accreditation... Tulane is by no means another Temple waiting to happen.

students are frustrated and upset. they're also upset that they weren't as informed by the administration as they could have been... but they are taking steps to correct this.

and as for rankings, that's another cowen thing... NIH research$... i think people are actually pissed because they came to tulane b/c of its STRONG clinical focus (and I want to go for this reason too). in terms of clinical rankings, this school is really high... you really learn the nuts and bolts extremely well. i also went to a faculty lecture, and the guy was amazing! extremely knowledgeable, great teaching. there's no question this is a good school.

and also remember, they kept reiterating that they won't settle for anything but a top class school... that anything else is just a compromise.
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Sorry, but people are angry at the med school deans in addition to Scott Cowen since they. Furthermore, the meeting was a political whitewash. They have no way of knowing when the school will actually back to it's former state despite their promises. They didn't answer any specific questions about specific plans for new hospitals, how many beds, patient numbers, or anything that will guarantee a smooth return to the city. Most of what they said was either some version of "We're great for doing an excellent job," which reminded me of the federal govt's self-congratulatory stance right after the storm (while the city flooded beneath their feet) or some vague version of "everything's fine, don't worry, we'll work it out." Well, we're worried. Tulane WAS known for its excellent clinical experience, but that was experience gained at Charity Hospital, which is now gone. Training at the small private hospitals they're scrambling to use is not going to be the same (the whole reason the clinical experience was so good was because the public hospital experience is much more hands on for med students than private hospitals, where attendings don't want you touching their patients). As for people doing and "amazing job" convincing the LCME to do rotations at Baylor, that was hardly a difficult feat and just more of the usual spin control from the school. This is a place just had a dean who quit (kind of like the pilot of your plane jumping out at 30,000 feet) and fired a bunch of faculty. If they actually had a plan, I'd be much less worried.
 
tulane06 said:
Good news....the feds are finally giving money to rebuild the levees (billions of dollars 🙂 ) It's about time!
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The Feds have added and additional $1.6 billion to the levee project. The total estimated cost to rebuild the levees to withstand a Category 5 hurricane is $32 billion. We can only pray they alot the $30.4 billion shortage in the very near future, since the next hurricane season is less than six months away.
 
nixpix said:
Sorry, but people are angry at the med school deans in addition to Scott Cowen since they. Furthermore, the meeting was a political whitewash. They have no way of knowing when the school will actually back to it's former state despite their promises. They didn't answer any specific questions about specific plans for new hospitals, how many beds, patient numbers, or anything that will guarantee a smooth return to the city. Most of what they said was either some version of "We're great for doing an excellent job," which reminded me of the federal govt's self-congratulatory stance right after the storm (while the city flooded beneath their feet) or some vague version of "everything's fine, don't worry, we'll work it out." Well, we're worried. Tulane WAS known for its excellent clinical experience, but that was experience gained at Charity Hospital, which is now gone. Training at the small private hospitals they're scrambling to use is not going to be the same (the whole reason the clinical experience was so good was because the public hospital experience is much more hands on for med students than private hospitals, where attendings don't want you touching their patients). As for people doing and "amazing job" convincing the LCME to do rotations at Baylor, that was hardly a difficult feat and just more of the usual spin control from the school. This is a place just had a dean who quit (kind of like the pilot of your plane jumping out at 30,000 feet) and fired a bunch of faculty. If they actually had a plan, I'd be much less worried.
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Well, nixpix, if there are fewer patients, how do you propose to reinstitute the clinical experience? Anyway, Dr Bowman said that the demographic was changing, a lot more construction-types (primarily Latinos) in town to rebuild, so there is still that "Charity-esque" demographic. I dunno.
 
anon-y-mouse said:
Well, nixpix, if there are fewer patients, how do you propose to reinstitute the clinical experience? Anyway, Dr Bowman said that the demographic was changing, a lot more construction-types (primarily Latinos) in town to rebuild, so there is still that "Charity-esque" demographic. I dunno.
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I honestly don't think the clinical experience that existed before is going to reappear anytime soon, if ever. The state seems determined to shut Charity down and while there are temporary hispanic workers helping to rebuild, a friend I have in NO says there aren't too many of them. The demographics have certainly changed: most of the city's indigent population is gone to Texas and what not, and the bulk of the people remaining are more well to do. I don't think the 9th ward/New Orleans East population is coming back ever (and if you lived there before the storm and now have better opportunities elsewhere, you wouldn't either). Where exactly are they supposed to go? Their houses are destroyed, there's a housing crunch, rents in unflooded neigborhoods are out of their range, and they don't qualify for loans to reubuild. The city will morph into a much smaller place with a private, for profit medical system that primarily services the upper middle class and med schools with a research emphasis. The huge patient population that provided med students with the excellent, hands on clinical experience LSU and Tulane were known for is gone.

On the other hand, the state has to have some sort of charity system, so something HAS to be built. Problem is right now all they're doing is arguing about it and there's so much dissention no one has actually started any bonafide rebuiding. The link below is pretty interesting and discusses the Charity situation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/17/national/nationalspecial/17charity.html?pagewanted=all
 
has anybody emailed deming pavilion for a place to stay during january interviews and actually heard back from them? i e-mailed them last thursday and still nothing.
-mota
 
never mind. they got back to me today.
-mota
 
tulane06 said:
Can you stay in Deming?
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ya. susanna sent out an email to the interviewees saying they're reserving spots at demming for interviewees. who normally stays there, undergrads?
-mota
 
Hey everyone, as a former Deming Resident (I stayed there while I did my MPH) it really isn't a bad way to go for any first years because its in the heart of down town, and you don't necessarily need a car. Also, the city is def. not the same and may never be, but by the time school year rolls around it may have a little more life. The only thing that worries me is no one really knows whats going to happen, but while I was there everyone there was quite happy (Now, some are a little jaded). good luck.
 
DaMota said:
ya. susanna sent out an email to the interviewees saying they're reserving spots at demming for interviewees. who normally stays there, undergrads?
-mota
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Demming is an apartment complex Tulane just leased to house students who lost their housing after Katrina. From what I've heard (I work for Housing at Tulane), it will be mainly used to house grad students and families, since our old grad student building will not be reopening for the spring. Good luck at your interview!
 
mphthenmd said:
Hey everyone, as a former Deming Resident (I stayed there while I did my MPH) it really isn't a bad way to go for any first years because its in the heart of down town, and you don't necessarily need a car. Also, the city is def. not the same and may never be, but by the time school year rolls around it may have a little more life. The only thing that worries me is no one really knows whats going to happen, but while I was there everyone there was quite happy (Now, some are a little jaded). good luck.
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Hmm ok maybe I was wrong. They did just lease an apartment complex though, maybe I'm getting the names mixed up.
 
DaMota
Deming is only for med students, public health students, residents, and the family of patients in Tulane hospital. Its located across the street (Tulane Ave.) from the med school. Also I don't know how familiar you are with the area, but the undergrad campus is about 15-20 min ride from the med school. One other thing thats nice in bad weather is that you can go from deming to the med school without ever going outside b/c they have a nice system of catwalks.
 
I'm going by what it was pre-storm, but my old rm mate is a PhD student in epi, and he still has his room at deming in Jan., but I know that they were looking for a place to house people. I've been out of that loop for a while now, so I hope I'm not giving bad info.
 
tulane06 said:
DaMota...how long are you going to be in New Orleans? I am planning on heading back there on Jan. 7
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i fly in on the 8th, get in around 730 or so, my interview's on the 9th, and i'm leaving the 10th at 3 or 4. i may consider pushing this back but i'm not sure yet. what are you gonna be doing? we should meet up, i definitely plan on checking out bourbon street etc monday night.
-mota
 
Kazazzle12 said:
Hmm ok maybe I was wrong. They did just lease an apartment complex though, maybe I'm getting the names mixed up.
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Deming is in the downtown complex. I haven't heard any alternative plans for Deming either.
They did just acquire an apartment building for grad students, but it is Uptown. It is to replace the grad/fam housing at Rosen House (Uptown), which was flooded. From what I've heard from Rosen residents (former residents now) is that it was due for demolition in a few years, but that will be moved up rather than spend the money to repair the flood damage.
 
Ok, so Tulane finally sent me a 2º yesterday. I sort of forgot that I applied there on AMCAS.
My question: Who's your daddy? No, wait... Should I bother sending it? Is it worth my time/money this late?
Now, who's your daddy?
 
Does Tulane ever tell you when you're complete pre-interview?
 
desiredusername said:
Ok, so Tulane finally sent me a 2º yesterday. I sort of forgot that I applied there on AMCAS.
My question: Who's your daddy? No, wait... Should I bother sending it? Is it worth my time/money this late?
Now, who's your daddy?
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apply mo' f*cka.
-mota
 
DaMota said:
ya. susanna sent out an email to the interviewees saying they're reserving spots at demming for interviewees. who normally stays there, undergrads?
-mota
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ya, as others have said, a lot of med students live in deming (hello, roll out of bed access to anatomy lab). i've heard the guy who runs the place (Bill something) is kind of creepy and loves med students a little too much, ahem... so have fun, damota 🙂 j/k

ps why is this thread all the way on page 3??

pps - there is no confirmation of your file being complete, as your apps are being screened primarily using the primary. the secondary, i'm told, is more like gravy, to confirm your interest in the school, once the primary's been looked at. this is how they did it for the past while, but things may have changed. the "great merger" should have been complete by now though.

good luck everyone!
 
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