Turning Down Interviews

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Say you have 3, 6, 8, 10 interviews. Would you turn down some of them because in reality why the heck would you spend the time and money to go to a 10th choice school? So for you, how many interviews would you grant if invited? Does that mean you would turn down all others? If not, why wouldn't you?

For me, I applied to 15 schools, did secondaries for 12, and if given the 4 I want would easily and without reservation turn down all others.
 
I applied to 18.... 1 rejected me without looking at my profile, and I have 6 interviews so far.

Honestly, If I get any more interviews, I am going to push them past dec-1st... Unless its detroit mercy (30 minutes away from me)
 
honkietrash said:
Say you have 3, 6, 8, 10 interviews. Would you turn down some of them because in reality why the heck would you spend the time and money to go to a 10th choice school? So for you, how many interviews would you grant if invited? Does that mean you would turn down all others? If not, why wouldn't you?

For me, I applied to 15 schools, did secondaries for 12, and if given the 4 I want would easily and without reservation turn down all others.
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well considering i only have one interview, and it's not until after Dec1st...🙁 i would not

you will see however, that the competitive applicants, who have multiple acceptances on dec 1st will cancel their interviews that are scheduled after dec 1st
 
I applied to 12 schools and so far have 2 pre and 1 post dec interviews. I would go to any predec interview offered and if I get into a good school of my choice by dec 1st then id prob blow off the rest of them.
 
lol only if it was a part of my vacation...but i wouldn't go to that many interviews - that's too many. i can probably only tolerate 5 at the most, but more than that...it would have to depend on location and my desire to attend that particular school.
 
I have 7 right now with 2 after Dec 1 and if i get any more i will have to start becoming selective about which schools i will go to. At the same time its scary because without an offer its hard to want to turn down anything. The pocketbook can't handle it though.
 
That's right, I never thought about how a bunch of interview slots will open after 12/1. Good news for applicants like me (moderately competitive and only one post 12/1 interview as of 9-17-10). It's like the wolves leave the carcass for the vultures to pick over what remains.:laugh:
 
what if you were offered like 9 interviews but only attended 6. its possible that you still wont get accepted, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass regretting you didnt go to those other 3!

each school interviews around 500 students for like a 100 seats. so even if you go to 5 interviews its still a 1/5 odds which is still pretty low.
 
Dent001 said:
what if you were offered like 9 interviews but only attended 6. its possible that you still wont get accepted, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass regretting you didnt go to those other 3!

each school interviews around 500 students for like a 100 seats. so even if you go to 5 interviews its still a 1/5 odds which is still pretty low.
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It's not really about that. It becomes a quality versus quantity issue (in other words, the schools I really want to attend versus ehh...fall-back schools).
 
Dent001 said:
what if you were offered like 9 interviews but only attended 6. its possible that you still wont get accepted, you'll be kicking yourself in the ass regretting you didnt go to those other 3!

each school interviews around 500 students for like a 100 seats. so even if you go to 5 interviews its still a 1/5 odds which is still pretty low.
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Just wanted to point out that you should not see it as 1/5 odds considering every school will have to extend acceptances to more people than their class size allows. Mind you, this will not be all at once (or else they could get into the hairy situation of having more people than they can handle), but when all is said and done, your odds are actually greater than 1/5.

i'm not trying to nitpick. My stats are low so I've been trying to find any way to make me feel better about my chances. 🙂
 
Would it be bad to ask to reschedule interviews for your "backup schools" for post-dec? How would you go about asking? I don't want to pay money to interview at a school I'm really not super interested in attending if I don't have to.
 
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what are ur 6 if u dont mind me asking dentalworks
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buffalo - sep 24th
michigan - oct 1st
temple - oct 13th
nova - oct 28th
indiana - nov 5 & 6
and finally Midwester (az) - dec 15th (but used to be october, I rescheduled it a few weeks ago)

My aadsas was mailed out 2nd week of July
 
Some advice... do not just skip any interviews. If you plan on not attending, let them know. You don't want to burn any bridges now if you plan to apply to that school down the line for residencies, etc.
Now, I'm guessing someone will say it doesn't really matter, but it really doesn't take that long to write up an e-mail. Being professional from the get-go definitely doesn't hurt.
 
dctim211 said:
Just wanted to point out that you should not see it as 1/5 odds considering every school will have to extend acceptances to more people than their class size allows. Mind you, this will not be all at once (or else they could get into the hairy situation of having more people than they can handle), but when all is said and done, your odds are actually greater than 1/5.

i'm not trying to nitpick. My stats are low so I've been trying to find any way to make me feel better about my chances. 🙂
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True.

Statistically, odds depend on other variables such as DAT scores, PS, GPA, extracurriculars, the interview itself...

but if you want to get technical, throw odds away: The more interviews you get/attend, the greater your chances are for admission.
 
AmpedUp said:
True.

Statistically, odds depend on other variables such as DAT scores, PS, GPA, extracurriculars, the interview itself...

but if you want to get technical, throw odds away: The more interviews you get/attend, the greater your chances are for admission.
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You will have a greater chance of being accepted/interview if your interview is pre dec1st. Statistically speaking, the greater majority of the class is accepted on december 1st, according to doc toothache's thread.

food for though
 
If a few of my pre dec interviews went well, I don't think I'd drop the $$ going to a bunch of other interviews.... especially if those later schools weren't my absolute top choices.

If you schedule an interview post dec and you get in to one of your top choices dec 1st there is no point going any further... (just send an e-mail of decline, and spend the money you saved taking yourself out for a nice dinner!)😀
 
if i get into a school on dec 1st but still have a temple interview post-dec then i'll prob just go so i can party with some of my buddies who are in philly 😀
 
Flipper405 said:
Some advice... do not just skip any interviews. If you plan on not attending, let them know. You don't want to burn any bridges now if you plan to apply to that school down the line for residencies, etc.
Now, I'm guessing someone will say it doesn't really matter, but it really doesn't take that long to write up an e-mail. Being professional from the get-go definitely doesn't hurt.
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I agree with this.....if ur pompous enough to come on this site to talk about "turning down interviews".....let them go now and allow some of the other hard working people get your slot.....man!......u guys have some serious ego problems......get a grip.....keep this stuff to yourselves....you have no shame .......absolutely poor etiquette. 🙁
 
pinhi said:
I agree with this.....if ur pompous enough to come on this site to talk about "turning down interviews".....let them go now and allow some of the other hard working people get your slot.....man!......u guys have some serious ego problems......get a grip.....keep this stuff to yourselves....you have no shame .......absolutely poor etiquette. 🙁
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People would go to more interviews if they had more $$$ and time. Trust me on this. It's not a "pride" issue at all. The point of applying is to find out which schools are interested in you and hoping you can get into your top choice...The ego has nothing to do with it. None of us on here are bragging about our interviews hence the word "if" being the most common word in this thread.

At this time, people are just trying to get into their top choices. Period.
 
AmpedUp said:
People would go to more interviews if they had more $$$ and time. Trust me on this. It's not a "pride" issue at all. The point of applying is to find out which schools are interested in you and hoping you can get into your top choice...The ego has nothing to do with it. None of us on here are bragging about our interviews hence the word "if" being the most common word in this thread.

At this time, people are just trying to get into their top choices. Period.
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Ummmm reality check amped.......have u read these posts?.....or more like boasts!!......these kids are all bragging and complaining about their poor struggles with "TOO MANY INTERVIEWS"......poor poor babies!!....check out some of the other people who get nothing for cycles on end and then come back and tell me about it. ur turning a blind cheek friend. This isnt the way to treat future colleagues......
If u cant afford or simply have too many interviews and dont want your "extras".....then give em up!! there's no reason to vocalize the fact that u have an overabundance of anything....(EVER) .......someone will gladly take them without complaining about it.....
Otherwise people need to keep this to themselves...its rude

Thinking outside of the box........have compassion for others.......respect.........seeing thru the eyes of people other than yourself.........all traits necessary for a good health care practitioner
 
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pinhi said:
Ummmm reality check amped.......have u read these posts?.....or more like boasts!!......these kids are all bragging and complaining about their poor struggles with "TOO MANY INTERVIEWS"......poor poor babies!!....check out some of the other people who get nothing for cycles on end and then come back and tell me about it. ur turning a blind cheek friend. This isnt the way to treat future colleagues......
If u cant afford or simply have too many interviews and dont want your "extras".....then give em up!! there's no reason to vocalize the fact that u have an overabundance of anything....(EVER) .......someone will gladly take them without complaining about it.....
Otherwise people need to keep this to themselves...its rude

Thinking outside of the box........have compassion for others.......respect.........seeing thru the eyes of people other than yourself.........all traits necessary for a good health care practitioner
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Are you jealous? I mean, all that wasn't necessary. You got a few yourself and did the right thing (in my eyes) by not taking all this for granted. I wish you success in that respect.

But reality is...

the real fun doesn't start until December 1st. People can talk all they want...I've seen a few people on here get a ton of interviews (and boast about it) and get rejected by their top choices. So it's a matter of time. But yeah, attend every interview you can get (if time and money will allow it) and continue to work hard. I know in my case...I got a little overconfident when I got more than one interview invite, but I've learned how to contain all of that and keep myself motivated. It's still not over until the day acceptances/rejections are handed out.

But seriously, don't worry about others; worry about yourself...
 
AmpedUp said:
Are you jealous? I mean, all that wasn't necessary. You got a few yourself and did the right thing (in my eyes) by not taking all this for granted. I wish you success in that respect.

But reality is...

the real fun doesn't start until December 1st. People can talk all they want...I've seen a few people on here get a ton of interviews (and boast about it) and get rejected by their top choices. So it's a matter of time. But yeah, attend every interview you can get (if time and money will allow it) and continue to work hard. I know in my case...I got a little overconfident when I got more than one interview invite, but I've learned how to contain all of that and keep myself motivated. It's still not over until the day acceptances/rejections are handed out.

But seriously, don't worry about others; worry about yourself...
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amped...i am in no way jealous.....im actually upset at these pompous children who feel they need to brag.....
I just know how hard it is to struggle....getting stupendous grades and working in the dental field and get a masters and shadow and volunteer and do it all b/c u love something ....and have adcoms crap in your face b/c u made some mistakes when u were younger.....
then to read thousands of other people who are struggling for one interview to prove themselves......
And to see this kind of thread posted....its insulting to everyone on sdn friend......
Are you paying attention to the majority of people's posts?.....they're all stressing about "why am i not hearing anything" why rejections? and so on....

And regarding your second paragraph.....it seems like you're supporting my argument.....i dont understand your logic bud.....
It's great that all of these people got a lot of interviews.......im confident i'll get more.....but i wont boast about it and tell people that I dont give a f*** about them....i'll take all of them if i can.....believe me i cant afford to fly all over the place either.....
But these people are saying....."eh...i might just blow it off"....or ..."we'll see".....they have no respect for the treasure they are playing "keep away with".....
All i'm saying is this....If you (not u amped).....don't want your extra interviews b/c you already have TOO MANY...then call the schools and tell them someone else can have them.....like the next guy in line.....there are a lot of people who get nothing and deserve so much more......
its like a child taking for granted all of the fantastic gifts they have been given.....with no thought for anything or anyone but themselves.......its childish
Do you see what im saying?
 
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well. it's because some of us do not have the financial capability to attend all our interviews even though we WANT TO so we can ensure our admission. It's not like we won't EVER go to any school we apply to. Like people have said before, a dental school is a dental school.

This thread wasn't even about boasting. it's to get a public opinion on whether it is wise for us to move our interview dates or not go at all. i'm sure some people have to exhaust their bank account on airfare and hotels and such. A decision this risky would be easier made after talking about it. I don't get why you have to start an argument about us 'kids' bragging. maybe it's you are too sensitive.
 
UCLAbruinz said:
well. it's because some of us do not have the financial capability to attend all our interviews even though we WANT TO so we can ensure our admission. It's not like we won't EVER go to any school we apply to. Like people have said before, a dental school is a dental school.

This thread wasn't even about boasting. it's to get a public opinion on whether it is wise for us to move our interview dates or not go at all. i'm sure some people have to exhaust their bank account on airfare and hotels and such. A decision this risky would be easier made after talking about it. I don't get why you have to start an argument about us 'kids' bragging. maybe it's you are too sensitive.
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I am sure that when sdners who have no interviews and are struggling to get any start reading these posts.....the same conclusion will be drawn......
It comes with age and maturity.....it's called humility and keeping certain things to yourself........
If you notice the trend on sdn its definitely not one about whether or not i should accept my 10th interview....its "i wish i could even get one".....
It's seriously like children saying "nah nah nah nah nah...i have more candy than u do"
We're all in the same boat when it comes to flying around for interviews....dont try and change the issue here.......
If you think the majority of these posts aren't boasting, then you are sadly mistaken......It's very common for people with good grades and big egos to wanna tell others about their accomplishments.....these guys are simply going over board and saying they have no respect for the gifts they have been given.......read between the lines a bit more....it's an experience thing....I can guarantee that this thread would (and will) be offensive to the majority of readers on sdn....
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most people reading this thread are probably biased b/c they have a lot of interviews and dont see the other side of the issue.......again, most people are too offended to actually open this thread....i personally avoided it for some time b/c........"SERIOUSLY? who would post such a rude topic?"....is what went through my head.......as well as most, i'm sure...
I got to a point tho where I had enough curiosity to peek inside and was shocked by the poor form of the posters.......
And in the future dont be so hasty to jump to the conclusion that a good debate is an argument....im not being offensive or doing any name calling here....just expressing a view point.
Think what you want......just try and be open-minded about what you say and how you say it....others may be watching.
 
pinhi said:
I am sure that when sdners who have no interviews and are struggling to get any start reading these posts.....the same conclusion will be drawn......
It comes with age and maturity.....it's called humility and keeping certain things to yourself........
If you notice the trend on sdn its definitely not one about whether or not i should accept my 10th interview....its "i wish i could even get one".....
It's seriously like children saying "nah nah nah nah nah...i have more candy than u do"
We're all in the same boat when it comes to flying around for interviews....dont try and change the issue here.......
If you think the majority of these posts aren't boasting, then you are sadly mistaken......It's very common for people with good grades and big egos to wanna tell others about their accomplishments.....these guys are simply going over board and saying they have no respect for the gifts they have been given.......read between the lines a bit more....it's an experience thing....I can guarantee that this thread would (and will) be offensive to the majority of readers on sdn....
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most people reading this thread are probably biased b/c they have a lot of interviews and dont see the other side of the issue.......again, most people are too offended to actually open this thread....i personally avoided it for some time b/c........"SERIOUSLY? who would post such a rude topic?"....is what went through my head.......as well as most, i'm sure...
I got to a point tho where I had enough curiosity to peek inside and was shocked by the poor form of the posters.......
And in the future dont be so hasty to jump to the conclusion that a good debate is an argument....im not being offensive or doing any name calling here....just expressing a view point.
Think what you want......just try and be open-minded about what you say and how you say it....others may be watching.
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whoa... your taking people's responses WAYY too personal there buddy. Some of us (like my self) aren't able to attend all of the interviews because I can't afford to keep missing class.... I am one of "these" guys who goes to every lecture cause thats how I learn... reading my friends notes just doesn't cut it for me. And here at oakland, there is no video recording of the lectures, so missing class = notes from friends or no notes at all.

I understand the interviews are more important than classes, but there should be a balance between the two. there is no point in me pushing through EVERY single interview at the cost of me doing terrible in a class.
 
dentalWorks said:
whoa... your taking people's responses WAYY too personal there buddy. Some of us (like my self) aren't able to attend all of the interviews because I can't afford to keep missing class.... I am one of "these" guys who goes to every lecture cause thats how I learn... reading my friends notes just doesn't cut it for me. And here at oakland, there is no video recording of the lectures, so missing class = notes from friends or no notes at all.

I understand the interviews are more important than classes, but there should be a balance between the two. there is no point in me pushing through EVERY single interview at the cost of me doing terrible in a class.
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I guess i will respond again in kind.....im not taking each response personally friend...i am making a blanket statement that this entire thread is inappropriate..........
Each different response is simply a nice debate for me....im not getting heated or confrontational. Again, just pointing out some very obvious issues with this thread friend....
In my opinion....u should take each and every interview you get seriously and attend them all.....if you dont want them....the next guy in line who was passed by can get it.....I seriously wonder if this isnt a strong factor in why dschool has gotten so competitive....people "HOLDING" interview slots from others.......they get an interview but dont respect it (or cant afford to go or whatever), never show and dont inform the individual schools that they wont be attending....
Do you see how this decreases the availability of interview slots for other, extremely qualified applicants?
 
no one ever said they are just going to NOT show up. turning them down means calling or email schools and say 'no i can't go'. there's your issue here.. you think everyone here is bad and come up with the whole 'just not going to show up thing'

this is an internet forum where literally every question is asked, from 'if we have to wear a suit' to 'what are my chances' threads. stop acting like you're the nicest person in the whole world.

like dentalworks said, we each have school and work. yes everyone has that issue but we're trying to come up with solutions together to ensure our admission into d-school. turning schools down is a BIG risk cuz what if in the end you don't get into any school. that is the whole topic of the thread. to take this risk or not. if people want to boast they could just easily do it everywhere on this forum.
 
UCLAbruinz said:
no one ever said they are just going to NOT show up. turning them down means calling or email schools and say 'no i can't go'. there's your issue here.. you think everyone here is bad and come up with the whole 'just not going to show up thing'

this is an internet forum where literally every question is asked, from 'if we have to wear a suit' to 'what are my chances' threads. stop acting like you're the nicest person in the whole world.

like dentalworks said, we each have school and work. yes everyone has that issue but we're trying to come up with solutions together to ensure our admission into d-school. turning schools down is a BIG risk cuz what if in the end you don't get into any school. that is the whole topic of the thread. to take this risk or not. if people want to boast they could just easily do it everywhere on this forum.
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Hmmm...thanks for the update on the nature of internet forums....now i feel like i have a much broader understanding of the nature of the universe.....
I never purported to be the nicest person in the world tho.....i am a conscientious individual by nature and am extremely aware of how my/and your actions affect others.....its a good quality to begin developing.......
I'm out.......GOOD LUCK everyone.....
I hope you all figure it out 🙂
 
pinhi said:
amped...i am in no way jealous.....im actually upset at these pompous children who feel they need to brag.....
I just know how hard it is to struggle....getting stupendous grades and working in the dental field and get a masters and shadow and volunteer and do it all b/c u love something ....and have adcoms crap in your face b/c u made some mistakes when u were younger.....
then to read thousands of other people who are struggling for one interview to prove themselves......
And to see this kind of thread posted....its insulting to everyone on sdn friend......
Are you paying attention to the majority of people's posts?.....they're all stressing about "why am i not hearing anything" why rejections? and so on....

And regarding your second paragraph.....it seems like you're supporting my argument.....i dont understand your logic bud.....
It's great that all of these people got a lot of interviews.......im confident i'll get more.....but i wont boast about it and tell people that I dont give a f*** about them....i'll take all of them if i can.....believe me i cant afford to fly all over the place either.....
But these people are saying....."eh...i might just blow it off"....or ..."we'll see".....they have no respect for the treasure they are playing "keep away with".....
All i'm saying is this....If you (not u amped).....don't want your extra interviews b/c you already have TOO MANY...then call the schools and tell them someone else can have them.....like the next guy in line.....there are a lot of people who get nothing and deserve so much more......
its like a child taking for granted all of the fantastic gifts they have been given.....with no thought for anything or anyone but themselves.......its childish
Do you see what im saying?
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I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you. Quite frankly, you're making a big deal about it...so that's why I interjected.
 
this has probably been mentioned before but once you get a good number of pre-dec interviews (lets say...4-6? thats a personal choice i guess) then schedule all others after dec 1st...but not too much later (so around mid-late dec or early jan). that way if you dont get any acceptances, you still have a shot at post-dec acceptances 🙂
 
Quite frankly, this topic/post seems very reminiscent of those:

A) "I have a 3.95, 25 DAT, should I apply to 30 schools? I'm so worried about my 24 in OCHEM"

Or to put it into real world perspectives:

B) "I make 300,000 a year what should I do with it? I'm so confused, help guyzzz!"

Both have the signature of an internet troll.

Lets evaluate shall we?

The first quote (A) is either A) oblivious to the dental school process, or B) fishing for compliments on his gpa or dat, or C) needs reassurance.

The second quote (B) is either A) Extremely bored, or B) fishing for compliments on his leet money making skills, or C) needs reassurance

I'm not condemning or praising this thread; however, I am pointing out that this is the internet. I'm sure you can make out the nature of this thread from the three choices given above. 😉
 
Jealousy is such an atrocious thing.

I don't see why some people don't think this is a valid thread. If you don't have multiple pre-Dec interviews, sorry, then this question wouldn't apply to you. But you can't come in to hate on people who have worked hard to be in this position.

I don't think that it's financially feasible to go to 8 interviews in a 2 month period. What's more, most people have school and/or work to attend to. I, personally, do not have that many interviews but if I did, I would have to make the same decisions as to which ones I want to attend and would have to cancel some, because I have a job and cannot take off an exorbitant amount of time.

People really need to stop hating just because they want to be in that position and aren't.
 
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I think this thread is completely valid. If you are too sensitive to read about another SDNer's hard work paying off and receiving multiple interviews, then you should get off the site. The people receiving these interviews are the same people who are willing to help out others with their questions about dental schools, the DAT, and much more. It should be pretty obvious by now that if you have good stats, multiple schools will invite you for an interview, and if you have somewhat poor stats, you might be lucky to get one or two only. So it is completely legit to ask about how many interviews one should attend to make sure they get at least an acceptance or two, but not blow all their money going to every interview. Like someone above posted, it's not like they won't notify the school that they will not be attending the interview.
 
schulc76 said:
I think this thread is completely valid. If you are too sensitive to read about another SDNer's hard work paying off and receiving multiple interviews, then you should get off the site. It should be pretty obvious by now that if you have good stats, multiple schools will invite you for an interview, and if you have somewhat poor stats, you might be lucky to get one or two only. So it is completely legit to ask about how many interviews one should attend to make sure they get at least an acceptance or two, but not blow all their money going to every interview. Like someone above posted, it's not like they won't notify the school that they will not be attending the interview.
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Ah my friend, this is where you are wrong!
You should note that a lot of these people starting threads asking questions are either a) Trolls or b) people with hardly any posts. Have you ever posted a DAT breakdown where you said you did well? Then you have these people PM'ing you asking for tips and advice, when instead they could POST in the replies so OTHER folks can see their question and someone even blatantly asked if I still remembered any questions from my DAT verbatim (which is cheating, obviously).
And after you give them advice, they never reply to give a note of appreciation, and they pretty much never show their faces again.
 
iamgosu said:
Ah my friend, this is where you are wrong!
You should note that a lot of these people starting threads asking questions are either a) Trolls or b) people with hardly any posts. Have you ever posted a DAT breakdown where you said you did well? Then you have these people PM'ing you asking for tips and advice, when instead they could POST in the replies so OTHER folks can see their question and someone even blatantly asked if I still remembered any questions from my DAT verbatim (which is cheating, obviously).
And after you give them advice, they never reply to give a note of appreciation, and they pretty much never show their faces again.
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Wow. your post has nothing to do with schulc's post whatsoever then why post? Obviously the OP is not a "troll", he/she has a legit question that some of us also want to hear the answer to. Just because it is a question you don't wanna hear doesnt mean he or she is a troll.
 
iamgosu said:
Ah my friend, this is where you are wrong!
You should note that a lot of these people starting threads asking questions are either a) Trolls or b) people with hardly any posts. Have you ever posted a DAT breakdown where you said you did well? Then you have these people PM'ing you asking for tips and advice, when instead they could POST in the replies so OTHER folks can see their question and someone even blatantly asked if I still remembered any questions from my DAT verbatim (which is cheating, obviously).
And after you give them advice, they never reply to give a note of appreciation, and they pretty much never show their faces again.
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iamgosu, I have no idea what your talkin about lol
 
UCLAbruinz said:
Wow. your post has nothing to do with schulc's post whatsoever then why post? Obviously the OP is not a "troll", he/she has a legit question that some of us also want to hear the answer to. Just because it is a question you don't wanna hear doesnt mean he or she is a troll.
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hmm...I think I screwed up the quote and bold, oops!
sorry for the misunderstanding 😛
 
This has been a very entertaining thread to read....I have been following it closely the past few days laughing at how emotional some of the responses have been. If you do not find yourself in this situation, then why get involved? The whole point of this forum is to HELP each other out, and if don't relate to a particular post then keep on walking. This is a genuine concern for many and I think Redchesus summed up my feelings perfectly on this matter. So good luck to everyone on their interviews, whether you have one or fifteen (but can only afford 5)!!
 
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