U of M undergrad vs. Wayne State Med's Combined BS/MD program

[MSUSpartan2015]

Hey guys!

I am in a fix. I have been accepted to one of the best universities in the world- U of M🙂 At the same time, I have also been looking at the Wayne State University's BS/MD program.

The BS/MD program offers me the security of getting into a good medical school but the campus life at Wayne sucks when compared to UofM. How hard is it to get into med school the traditional route- with 4 years of undergrad at Michigan?
Is it worth it to sacrifice 3 to 4 years of undergrad for admission into Med School??
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks!

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[gravitywave]

have you actually been accepted to the BS/MD program yet?

 

[SoundofSilver]

Go to Michigan. You'll probably enjoy your time there more than Wayne. Wayne is a commuter school, Michigan on the other hand is in a great town and definitely has that quintessential college vibe if that's your thing. It's also one of the top 5 public universities in the country. You will get a great education and research opportunities abound.

Work hard at Michigan and skies the limit in terms of where you'll end up for med school.

 

[StudyShy]

If my brother can get into U of M and do well, anyone can. I don't think that of U of M as a really anywhere special. Wayne State isn't that bad, and I have heard good things about their med school. A2 does have more "culture" but Detroit has flavor. Yeah, yeah!

Anyway, if you can get into a BS/MD program at Wayne State, I'm sure that you would have no problem getting into U of M's medical school if that is where you want to end up eventually.

Another question...Are you going to need loans or have a scholarship. There's quite a difference in tuition between Wayne State and U of M.

 

[brandnew1]

If my brother can get into U of M and do well, anyone can. I don't think that of U of M as a really anywhere special. Wayne State isn't that bad, and I have heard good things about their med school. A2 does have more "culture" but Detroit has flavor. Yeah, yeah!

Anyway, if you can get into a BS/MD program at Wayne State, I'm sure that you would have no problem getting into U of M's medical school if that is where you want to end up eventually.

Another question...Are you going to need loans or have a scholarship. There's quite a difference in tuition between Wayne State and U of M.

UM's medical school is the 6th ranked school in the country; I wouldn't guarantee gaining admission into such a school so simply.

To the original poster I would say to go where you think you would be most happy. If you're "good" enough to get into medical school, you wouldn't need the guarantee of a BS/MD program anyways.

 

[aSagacious]

I say go UM (this is even coming from an MSU student). Detroit is a terrible place to commit yourself for eight years.

As anyone on this forum will tell you, getting into med school is a piece of cake anyway 🙄

 

[StudyShy]

UM's medical school is the 6th ranked school in the country; I wouldn't guarantee gaining admission into such a school so simply.

To the original poster I would say to go where you think you would be most happy. If you're "good" enough to get into medical school, you wouldn't need the guarantee of a BS/MD program anyways.

I'm just saying from experience from who I have known to have gotten into U of M's medical school. For instance, there was a boy in my nursing class who goes to U of M who I'm pretty sure got B's in a lot of nursing classes. I mean, really. If someone can get B's at a community college and then go to medical school at U of M, I think that maybe gaining admission there isn't as difficult as people make it out to be. Who knows?

 

[aSagacious]

I think this adage has been beaten to death, but apparently it needs to be exhumed: "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'."

I don't care how many of your friends skated into UM, it is a ridiculously competitive school (far more competitive than Wayne) and one would be lucky to gain acceptance there, considering the large pool of highly qualified candidates that are rejected each year.

 

[StudyShy]

Well then you might not get in so don't worry about it. Don't even bother applying then because it is just too difficult to get into. They don't like people from Michigan State, anyway. Everyone knows that.

 

[brandnew1]

Well then you might not get in so don't worry about it. Don't even bother applying then because it is just too difficult to get into. They don't like people from Michigan State, anyway. Everyone knows that.

Quit being dense. Is it that hard for you to admit that UM is a top 10 school, therefore would be difficult to gain admission into?

Besides, the original poster's question had nothing to do with UMMS anyways. And for the record, they took 7 students from MSU last year I believe.

 

[Techmed07]

Wayne BS/MD program who knows how competitive and hellish this process will be in a couple years. Save yourself the stress.

 

[WingedOx]

This isn't even a question. You'd be stupid not to go to wayne.

 

[Geneticist]

Wayne absolutely.

 

[slatermd]

This isn't even a question. You'd be stupid not to go to wayne.

Wayne absolutely.

Agree. If you have a guaranteed admission to med school at age 18, take it. Why roll the dice four years later?

Also, to all of you flaccid dong sniffers ragging on StudyShy:

Yes U of M is a top tier medical school. But they also admit questionable people, with mediocre stats (and personalities, like you tools). Amazingly, it is competitive at the same time. So, nobody is actually wrong here. Awesome job exerting yourselves on SDN. You peeps are true forum gladiators.

 

[getdown]

Agree. If you have a guaranteed admission to med school at age 18, take it. Why roll the dice four years later?

Also, to all of you flaccid dong sniffers ragging on StudyShy:

Yes U of M is a top tier medical school. But they also admit questionable people, with mediocre stats (and personalities, like you tools). Amazingly, it is competitive at the same time. So, nobody is actually wrong here. Awesome job exerting yourselves on SDN. You peeps are true forum gladiators.

Awesome quote. Seriously though, you people are putting things onto pedestals that shouldn't be put on pedestals. Yeah, UofM is ranked top 10 in USWN ... so what? What does that ranking even mean? Does UofM make Nobel prize winning doctors relative to Wayne State? Is everyone in UofM God's gift to intellectual medicine? Get the **** out of here with that ****. You guys act like people who get in there **** Science journal articles and cure cancer while washing their clothes. Geez, get a grip.

 

[slatermd]

Awesome quote. Seriously though, you people are putting things onto pedestals that shouldn't be put on pedestals. Yeah, UofM is ranked top 10 in USWN ... so what? What does that ranking even mean? Does UofM make Nobel prize winning doctors relative to Wayne State? Is everyone in UofM God's gift to intellectual medicine? Get the **** out of here with that ****. You guys act like people who get in there **** Science journal articles and cure cancer while washing their clothes. Geez, get a grip.

Completely agree. To quote my e- bloodbrother Frazier:

 

[Kevin Baker]

U of M is a great school, but by no means is it close to being one of the best. It is ranked 29 by USNWR, which only takes into accounts universities, and it has a very high acceptance rate and decent, but not terribly restrictive, entrance stats. Heck, less than 3/4 of students graduate in four years, which imo is the best marker of a school, and is probably somewhere in the 50-60 rank (Forbes has it at 92) when you add in liberal arts schools. And just from personal experience, their RAs are sucky. I can't believe some ******* was paid to stand outside the dorm room I was visiting to sniff for alcohol...

Regardless, I'd go to undergrad over a BS/MD program. Who knows where your interests will lie in the next few years. Learn to learn, then make the serious life decisions.

 

[StudyShy]

Quit being dense. Is it that hard for you to admit that UM is a top 10 school, therefore would be difficult to gain admission into?

Besides, the original poster's question had nothing to do with UMMS anyways. And for the record, they took 7 students from MSU last year I believe.

7 MSU students/170 stinks. I would have thought that there would have been more.

I am well aware that U of M is a high-ranking school. Why would I want to say otherwise? I think that it is great that I live so close to one of the best schools in the country and have access to good health care. It is probably difficult to gain admission, however this isn't what I have seen in my n=1 experience over the past five years or so.

Wayne (Lil' Wayne even says "Wayne on me"), Michigan State, and U of M are all good in my book.

OP, where do you aspire to go to med school?

 

[WingedOx]

Go to Michigan. You'll probably enjoy your time there more than Wayne. Wayne is a commuter school, Michigan on the other hand is in a great town and definitely has that quintessential college vibe if that's your thing. It's also one of the top 5 public universities in the country. You will get a great education and research opportunities abound.

Work hard at Michigan and skies the limit in terms of where you'll end up for med school.

Wayne isn't the commuter school it once was, and most of the UM students I know say that Ann Arbor gets a little small after a while. Also, in terms of "culture", Detroit wins hands down. Better touring shows, legit pro sports, and you have the entire metro area to work with in terms of entertainment.

Also, "the sky is the limit" sure, but the vast majority of students coming in to UM with the goal of med school (like any other school) don't get there. This isn't all that different from the Carib/DO debate (without every having to settle for being a DO 😉). You're giving up a sure chance to be a successful physician for superficial reasons if you turn down Wayne.

...look at it this way, I'm assuming that you're from Michigan. How many of your neighbors would kill for the chance to have a career that guarantees six figures and is STABLE?

 

[StudyShy]

Wayne isn't the commuter school it once was, and most of the UM students I know say that Ann Arbor gets a little small after a while. Also, in terms of "culture", Detroit wins hands down. Better touring shows, legit pro sports, and you have the entire metro area to work with in terms of entertainment.

Also, "the sky is the limit" sure, but the vast majority of students coming in to UM with the goal of med school (like any other school) don't get there. This isn't all that different from the Carib/DO debate (without every having to settle for being a DO 😉). You're giving up a sure chance to be a successful physician for superficial reasons if you turn down Wayne.

...look at it this way, I'm assuming that you're from Michigan. How many of your neighbors would kill for the chance to have a career that guarantees six figures and is STABLE?

The thought of Mongolian Barbeque in A^2 might skew my decision making skills in another couple of years! MMMM....yummy.

If I go to medical school at Wayne State, I'm buying this. Well, if I had 2.5 mill. 😀 They are both great cities. Detroit just gets a bad rap from people who are unfamiliar with the area.

 

[slatermd]

Wayne isn't the commuter school it once was, and most of the UM students I know say that Ann Arbor gets a little small after a while. Also, in terms of "culture", Detroit wins hands down. Better touring shows, legit pro sports, and you have the entire metro area to work with in terms of entertainment.

All good points in your post. Regarding this, I would rather live in Ann Arbor and have remote access to Detroit's cultural offerings...its not even 30 minutes away. Not like choosing between NY and CA.

Still, in this thread's hypothetical situation I would definitely choose Wayne.

 

[camierz]

The University of Michigan is a great school. I love it here, but science here is a pain in the ass. Weeder classes are everywhere. Gen Chem, Gen Bio 1 and 2, Orgo, Biochem....just to name a few. In order to be in the A range for these classes you have to be pretty damn smart. I have heard from various people who got C's in Organic at the University of Michigan went to state to retake it and easily got A's. The classes at the U of M aren't impossible, it just takes a ton more work than other state schools from what I have heard. In my orgo 2 class the average for exams were around 60%, there was a big curve, but in the end the teacher blamed it on us when she wrote extremely hard exams. One of the exams had an average of 40%.

Don't get me wrong I love it here, it just takes a lot of work. I don't know if I believe everyone saying how much harder it is here than some of the other state schools, but it sure does seem like it. If you want to come here and be pre-med just understand it is a lot of work, but to graduate from here seems to be an accomplishment in itself. I would say go here, then apply to medical school. The University of Michigan will definitely get you ready for medical school anywhere.

One more thing. It is actually very easy to get into the U of M if you transfer after first year. At the local community college if you have greater than a 3.0 GPA you are almost guaranteed acceptance. It basically proves you can handle college and they will accept you, but getting in out of high school is a much bigger challenge.

 

[WingedOx]

The thought of Mongolian Barbeque in A^2 might skew my decision making skills in another couple of years! If I go to medical school at Wayne State, I'm buying this. Well, if I had 2.5 mill. 😀 They are both great cities. Detroit just gets a bad rap from people who are unfamiliar with the area.

IIRC, there's a BD's in Royal Oak, where most Wayne med students live anyway.

/the only BDs on the east coast is in Bethesda. That place is one of the things I miss about living in Ohio.

 

[slatermd]

The University of Michigan will definitely get you ready for medical school anywhere.

A major gunner from my high school did pre med at U of M. Her only acceptance was a DO school...but yes she was reasonably well prepared when she got there. U of M undergrad doesn't guarantee you acceptance to med school; that is the serious business of this internet post.

IIRC, there's a BD's in Royal Oak, where most Wayne med students live anyway.

/the only BDs on the east coast is in Bethesda. That place is one of the things I miss about living in Ohio.

There's a BD's on Michigan Ave in Dearborn as well, not too far from Wayne.

 

[brandnew1]

Agree. If you have a guaranteed admission to med school at age 18, take it. Why roll the dice four years later?

Also, to all of you flaccid dong sniffers ragging on StudyShy:

Yes U of M is a top tier medical school. But they also admit questionable people, with mediocre stats (and personalities, like you tools). Amazingly, it is competitive at the same time. So, nobody is actually wrong here. Awesome job exerting yourselves on SDN. You peeps are true forum gladiators.

Right, just like every other school in the country dip****.

Awesome job with the reading comprehension there. This argument has nothing to do with how amazing UMMS is. It has everything to do with StudyShy claiming that the OP would get into UMMS anyways (just as ludicrous to claim that they would assuredly get into ANY ONE medical school 4 years from now); all I did was point out how ridiculous a projection that is, given all that goes into getting an acceptance at a top medical school SUCH AS Michigan.

 

[brandnew1]

U of M is a great school, but by no means is it close to being one of the best. It is ranked 29 by USNWR, which only takes into accounts universities, and it has a very high acceptance rate and decent, but not terribly restrictive, entrance stats. Heck, less than 3/4 of students graduate in four years, which imo is the best marker of a school, and is probably somewhere in the 50-60 rank (Forbes has it at 92) when you add in liberal arts schools. And just from personal experience, their RAs are sucky. I can't believe some ******* was paid to stand outside the dorm room I was visiting to sniff for alcohol...

Regardless, I'd go to undergrad over a BS/MD program. Who knows where your interests will lie in the next few years. Learn to learn, then make the serious life decisions.

The discussion was about UM's medical school, which is ranked #6 by the US News (if I remember correctly). As far as undergrad goes, UM definitely over inflates their own self-worth; the graduate programs are all world class though. I agree with your final sentiment , I am thankful for having gone through undergrad knowing that I could pursue any field I wished to.

7 MSU students/170 stinks. I would have thought that there would have been more.

I am well aware that U of M is a high-ranking school. Why would I want to say otherwise? I think that it is great that I live so close to one of the best schools in the country and have access to good health care. It is probably difficult to gain admission, however this isn't what I have seen in my n=1 experience over the past five years or so.

Wayne (Lil' Wayne even says "Wayne on me"), Michigan State, and U of M are all good in my book.

OP, where do you aspire to go to med school?

I don't think 7 out of 170 is too bad. MSU isn't a huge pre-med school, plus UM is notorious for being an attractive OOS option (the class is roughly split, fairly high for a state school).

The issue lies with you thinking that it is not difficult to gain admission into. I am tempted to think that you're just pulling my leg here, because it is hard imagining someone who has access to all the information on SDN here being that oblivious. This is, of course, ignoring the fact that you're basing your idiotic notion off of ONE person, of whom you probably know very little about.

 

[SoundofSilver]

Also, "the sky is the limit" sure, but the vast majority of students coming in to UM with the goal of med school (like any other school) don't get there. This isn't all that different from the Carib/DO debate (without every having to settle for being a DO 😉). You're giving up a sure chance to be a successful physician for superficial reasons if you turn down Wayne.

This is true and you make some valid points. But if someone is capable of getting into a BS/MD program (which I'm assuming is quite competitive), then they probably have the drive to get into an MD program by going the more traditional route.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Wayne, it's a perfectly fine school. I'm just saying that going to Wayne vs. Michigan are going to be very different experiences for undergrad; differences that are not superficial to a lot of people.

Personally, I'd rather live in Ann Arbor than Detroit for four years then have the option of going elsewhere rather than being stuck in the same place for 8 years.

 

[IvyHopeful20]

Take the BS/MD. Save yourself the hassle. Seriously. Don't be stupid.

The process is getting more annoying/competitive by the year. In four years, you don't know how competitive you may be.

 

[slatermd]

Quit being dense. Is it that hard for you to admit that UM is a top 10 school, therefore would be difficult to gain admission into?

Right, just like every other school in the country dip****.

Awesome job with the reading comprehension there. This argument...

Ok cupcake. Hats off:

You peeps are true forum gladiators.

Also:

 

[Barcu]

Agree. If you have a guaranteed admission to med school at age 18, take it. Why roll the dice four years later?

Maybe if you decide you don't want to go to medical school (oh my!).

Maybe you don't want to go to Wayne and attend another medical school.

Early assurance programs sound great, but so much changes in a few years (especially hs to college). If you really want to go to med school, you will be able to go four years later. Yes, med school admissions are tough, and if you are applying now or about to, having a guaranteed admission sure sounds nice. Still, try something else for a while. Those programs are all intense, and you don't have much opportunities to do much else besides science. This is your last time to have some different experiences. Enjoy them. Med school will still be there when you want to apply.

 

[SoundofSilver]

Maybe if you decide you don't want to go to medical school (oh my!).

Maybe you don't want to go to Wayne and attend another medical school.

Early assurance programs sound great, but so much changes in a few years (especially hs to college). If you really want to go to med school, you will be able to go four years later. Yes, med school admissions are tough, and if you are applying now or about to, having a guaranteed admission sure sounds nice. Still, try something else for a while. Those programs are all intense, and you don't have much opportunities to do much else besides science. This is your last time to have some different experiences. Enjoy them. Med school will still be there when you want to apply.

Yes. Exactly.

 

[slatermd]

Maybe if you decide you don't want to go to medical school (oh my!).

Maybe you don't want to go to Wayne and attend another medical school.

Early assurance programs sound great, but so much changes in a few years (especially hs to college). If you really want to go to med school, you will be able to go four years later. Yes, med school admissions are tough, and if you are applying now or about to, having a guaranteed admission sure sounds nice. Still, try something else for a while. Those programs are all intense, and you don't have much opportunities to do much else besides science. This is your last time to have some different experiences. Enjoy them. Med school will still be there when you want to apply.

Valid. I wasn't sure of anything when I was 18...but on the premise that OP is certain about wanting to be a doctor, I stand by my original answer.

 

[brandnew1]

Ok cupcake. Hats off:

Also:

Is this your normal method of response? Posting cute little meme pictures? (I assume that that is the correct term).

What happens when you get into a confrontation in real life? Do you run to your laptop and pull up another one of these things? You must do that, it would certainly explain the wounded bitch attitude. So many questions...

 

[Kevin Baker]

The discussion was about UM's medical school, which is ranked #6 by the US News (if I remember correctly). As far as undergrad goes, UM definitely over inflates their own self-worth; the graduate programs are all world class though. I agree with your final sentiment , I am thankful for having gone through undergrad knowing that I could pursue any field I wished to.

I believe OP is asking about going to UM for undergrad or taking the BS/MD at Wayne State.

"The BS/MD program offers me the security of getting into a good medical school but the campus life at Wayne sucks when compared to UofM. How hard is it to get into med school the traditional route- with 4 years of undergrad at Michigan?"

Only on SDN can someone post a thread about undergrad which turns into a pissing match on med school rankings 🙂

 

[slatermd]

Is this your normal method of response? Posting cute little meme pictures? (I assume that that is the correct term).

What happens when you get into a confrontation in real life? Do you run to your laptop and pull up another one of these things? You must do that, it would certainly explain the wounded bitch attitude. So many questions...

I love when people psychoanalyze me on SDN.

Real life confrontations...ha. People tend not to f*ck with me in real life. It's the internet tough guys who always want to brawl. Any other questions, Freud?

The memes aren't really for you anyway; they're for all the people laughing at you. You'll learn.

 

[brandnew1]

I believe OP is asking about going to UM for undergrad or taking the BS/MD at Wayne State.

"The BS/MD program offers me the security of getting into a good medical school but the campus life at Wayne sucks when compared to UofM. How hard is it to get into med school the traditional route- with 4 years of undergrad at Michigan?"

Only on SDN can someone post a thread about undergrad which turns into a pissing match on med school rankings 🙂

Right, but the ensuing argument had nothing to do with UM undergrad. Another poster claimed that the OP would likely get into UMMS, which sparked the rankings crap. I don't think undergrad school rankings should really factor into this decision at all.

 

[schrizto]

Take the BS/MD. Especially if you're a Michigan resident, U of M isn't that hard to get into. Meanwhile, a conditional guarantee to medical school is. Pre-med at U of M isn't easy and you'd be working your ass off to apply to medical school (with no guarantees) when you basically have an acceptance to one in your hand right now.

Suck it up and take WSU's program.

 

[brandnew1]

I love when people psychoanalyze me on SDN.

Real life confrontations...ha. People tend not to f*ck with me in real life. It's the internet tough guys who always want to brawl. Any other questions, Freud?

The memes aren't really for you anyway; they're for all the people laughing at you. You'll learn.

People psychoanalyze you often huh? You must be doing something right then.

Hahahaha, you're a real tough guy in actuality eh? While we're discussing fantasies here, I should mention that I've banged 10 supermodels, dunked on Dwight Howard and flown to outer space and back. All in the past week.

That's a pretty sparse crowd you're catering to there. Are you this hilarious in real life as well?

 

[Geneticist]

http://donutclan.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/******.jpg

 

[brandnew1]

Take the BS/MD. Especially if you're a Michigan resident, U of M isn't that hard to get into. Meanwhile, a conditional guarantee to medical school is. Pre-med at U of M isn't easy and you'd be working your ass off to apply to medical school (with no guarantees) when you basically have an acceptance to one in your hand right now.

Suck it up and take WSU's program.

This is the most logical post in this thread. Wayne's BS/MD program is probably extremely competitive to get into, much more difficult than gaining acceptance to UM. Furthermore, as has been mentioned, the pre-med classes can be killer.

If the OP doesn't see himself being completely miserable at Wayne, I'd take the offer, knowing that you can still apply to other medical schools when the time comes.

 

[schrizto]

And it doesn't look like OP has been accepted to Wayne State's BS/MD program yet... just "looking into" it.

Still, if you do get into the BS/MD program, take it. If it doesn't work out, you can always transfer to U of M, while your only shot at the BS/MD is in high school.

 

[Barcu]

This is the most logical post in this thread. Wayne's BS/MD program is probably extremely competitive to get into, much more difficult than gaining acceptance to UM. Furthermore, as has been mentioned, the pre-med classes can be killer.

If the OP doesn't see himself being completely miserable at Wayne, I'd take the offer, knowing that you can still apply to other medical schools when the time comes.

I don't think BS/MD programs work this way. At least the ones I looked at would do a condensed ugrad. I did not look at them long enough to figure out if you could break off and go to another med school, but I imagine that would be difficult.

 

[WingedOx]

This is true and you make some valid points. But if someone is capable of getting into a BS/MD program (which I'm assuming is quite competitive), then they probably have the drive to get into an MD program by going the more traditional route.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Wayne, it's a perfectly fine school. I'm just saying that going to Wayne vs. Michigan are going to be very different experiences for undergrad; differences that are not superficial to a lot of people.

Personally, I'd rather live in Ann Arbor than Detroit for four years then have the option of going elsewhere rather than being stuck in the same place for 8 years.

The problem is that HS and college are totally different animals. A semester slip up can kill at GPA very easily and close a lot of doors. (and as much as I hate to say this, but the kids who end up in BS/MD programs tend to be the type of kids who aren't used to making decisions independent of parental supervision once they go away to school) From a HS or in college perspective, it's easy to miss the fact that it's the end result that matters. In terms of quality of in state schools in Michigan, the order is pretty much UM>Wayne>MSUCHM>MSUCOM. If the OP has to settle for MSU DO or worse, he'll always regret not taking the chance he had to go to Wayne.

Most med students from Michigan end up at Wayne anyway... but even more wish they had the chance to go there.

 

[LEUNIT]

Follow your heart, OP.

 

[wanderer]

There's no right or wrong answer.

Not 100% you want to go into medicine? Go to UMich.

Not fairly certain you'll want to be a leader in medicine or a top researcher and you're not a gambler? Go to WSU.

Also how is UMich with grade deflation?

 

[MSUSpartan2015]

Thank you all for your input! It really means a lot to me.. It is a very difficult decision but with your ideas, I am sure I will make the right one in the end.
I just wanted to point out that Wayne allows people to apply out for med school. However, they discourage people from graduating early from Undergrad.

Thanks again and I will keep you posted on what happens.

 

[WingedOx]

Not fairly certain you'll want to be a leader in medicine or a top researcher and you're not a gambler? Go to WSU.

umm, what? You do realize that a MASSIVE amount of both clinical and basic science research that happens at Wayne, right? If we were talking about a place like SIU or MSU, I could see you making that point, but your comment reeks of someone who doesn't know a whole lot about WSU.

 

[StudyShy]

Follow your heart, OP.

True dat.

This is the most logical post in this thread. Wayne's BS/MD program is probably extremely competitive to get into, much more difficult than gaining acceptance to UM. Furthermore, as has been mentioned, the pre-med classes can be killer.

This is kind of what I was saying. If the OP is good enough to get into Wayne's BS/MD program then he/she rocks. Given that, then the OP would probably be competitive enough to get into whatever med school in Michigan that he/she desires eventually even be it U of M (which has a high ranking you are telling me like I didn't know). Wayne would be the easiest route since admission to med school would be a smoother transition, however if he/she wants to go for that blue and gold then it is attainable.

And BTW, in my first post, I was referring to U of M undergrad. You assumed that I was talking about med school. My brother is an economic's major. Your bad.

After you assumed that I was talking about University of Michigan's medical school, well, since I live in Michigan I know people who have been accepted so I can given examples. Whether graduate or undergrad, U of M has people no different than me which is nothing special just hard working. I did, however, may have erroneously assumed that the OP wanted to eventually end up at U of M for its cultural aspects since usually people don't go from Wayne State to MSU or U of M to MSU when the person is more competitive than most.

Michigan is this dude's oyster if he/she has the smarts and dilligence.

Also, I don't really care about ratings. I've never been that kind of person.

 

[WingedOx]

True dat.
however if he/she wants to go for that blue and gold then it is attanaible.

My friends in Ann Arbor would crucify you for that comment.

 

[theWUbear]

one of the best universities in the world- U of M🙂

lol