UAB vs. LSU - which to pick?

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johnnyjringo

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Howdy y'all,
I got lucky - accepted into my top two choices. All that MCAT study time paid off! Now, its time to decide which school to go to. Can anyone give me any inside dirt on either LSU-NO or UAB? I'm pretty torn up trying to choose. Seems like LSU might have a little better clinical experience with Charity hospital, but Birmingham seems like a nice place to live. I'd sure appreciate any advice. Thanks.
 
Birmingham is a really cool place to live. Awesome med school! Although UAB doesn't seem to be heavily clinical in the first two years, I was surprised to find out that they do have quite a few clinical opportunities before the third year.

I also posted in the UAB thread. PM me if you want more info on Birmingham.
 
University happens to be the only tier one in the region. Charity shares its tier one load with a number of other institutions in NO. Also, by reputation with residency directors and by a host of other factors, UAB is the place to go.

UAB has a collection of hospitals under the umbrella - University, Cooper Green (county indigent), Children's, and Callahan Eye. The variety of clinical experiences you will have will be excellent, and perhaps even exceed that of Charity.

Note: I think they still ASSIGN you to a 3rd/4th year location. About 2/3 of the class stays in Birmingham, while the rest go to Tuscaloosa or Huntsville. There are pros and cons to staying in Birmingham and going out.

Again, PM me if you have any questions. Bottom line is from what I've seen, heard and experienced, you will be trained well if you come to school here.

Yours,
 
The only difference between the student bodies of UAB and LSU is that UAB likes to accept 15% or so super high stat students who were out of state(3.9/36). The 85% of the native alabama students will be exactly like the LSU students who were La residents.

Remove the small #'s of out of state students UAB takes compared to LSU and both schools have almost equivalent 3.55/28-29 averages.

One thing you may want to look into is seeing if you can get in state tuition at UAB after your first year. If you can, it might be worth it. If not, go to LSU and save the $$$$. The student bodies(except for the out of staters) are going to be virtually identical.
 
trying to remember where I heard this...someone correct me if it's wrong...that LSU-NO and Tulane students do their rotations at the same places, so they are competing with each other for clinical opportunities and getting noticed
 
this is easy, UAB , its hands down one of the best public med schools in the country.
 
Originally posted by meanderson

One thing you may want to look into is seeing if you can get in state tuition at UAB after your first year. If you can, it might be worth it. If not, go to LSU and save the $$$$. The student bodies(except for the out of staters) are going to be virtually identical.

The majority of out-of-state students go this route. It is extremely easy to obtain residency after one year in Alabama.

Yours
 
Originally posted by JPaikman
The majority of out-of-state students go this route. It is extremely easy to obtain residency after one year in Alabama.

Yours

Thank you for answering this question. Neither the financial aid guy nor the admissions people could give me a straight answer when I interviewed at UAB.
 
Originally posted by gizzdogg
Do the UAB admission people seem particularly unhelpful to you? I've tried and tried to get some basic information from them (via phone calls, email, personal visits), and have yet to get any positive responses. It seems that they don't care about leaving a good impression. Based on my experiences with them (hey, it's all i have to go by!), UAB has gone from my top choice to third or fourth...and i'm in-state.

The admissions folks had some turnover this year in staffing, so forgive the lack of positive responses. While they are the "face" or public relations people, you ought to talk to students or clinical faculty before passing "judgement".

Again, if you have any questions, please PM me and I'll try to assist you.
 
Originally posted by MeowMix
Thank you for answering this question. Neither the financial aid guy nor the admissions people could give me a straight answer when I interviewed at UAB.

I don't think that the financial office keeps tabs on things like this, and actively pulls up a statistic that says "here are all of the out-of-state students that are now in-state this year". It has only been my observation that a lot of my out-of-state colleagues, for obvious reasons switched to in-state this year. Also, I think neither the admissions office nor the medical school financial aid office handles residency issues - such issues are handled by a university-wide group.

The process involves filling out a one-page form - you will need to provide things like gas/electric bill, membership in an in-state organization i.e. church or professional group, driver's license, etc. Something like 6 out of 12 criteria need to be fulfilled before you can get residency.

Note: MS1 starts in August, but paperwork for residency needs to get in by I think the beginning of July of the following year - so it would be in your best interest to move to Birmingham in July before MS1 begins so that the next year you can obtain residency before the deadline. MS2 incidentally begins in September.

Again, feel free to PM me if you have any more questions.

Yours,
 
Originally posted by gizzdogg
Do the UAB admission people seem particularly unhelpful to you? I've tried and tried to get some basic information from them (via phone calls, email, personal visits), and have yet to get any positive responses. It seems that they don't care about leaving a good impression. Based on my experiences with them (hey, it's all i have to go by!), UAB has gone from my top choice to third or fourth...and i'm in-state.

I was actually very impressed by the UAB admissions people. Of the schools I've applied to, they were the most prompt, easy to contact, efficient in handling my application, and least hassle. Don't give up.
 
Bumping.

Also I got the residency reclassification form. Here are the details required to obtain residency:

Requirements:

Due by July 15th
1. Fill Out Application
2. Personal Statement with compelling reasons for reclassification of residency.
3. US Citizen, Resident Alien, or legal alien granted indefinite stay,

> I THINK < at least 6 of the following:

Payment of state income taxes over 12mo
Ownership of real estate and payment of property taxes
Employment as graduate assistant or fellow
Spouse is member of military in AL.
Previous residency periods >1 yr.
Full time employee in state or spouse is full time employee in state
Voter registration & voting in the state or better yet, continuing voter registration
State or local licenses to do buisness or practice profession in state
Continuous presence in state for purpose other than attending school
Membership in religious, professional, business, civic, or social organizations in state
Checking and saving accounts, safe deposit boxes, or investment accounts in state
In state selective serve, driver's license, auto titile, hunting & fishing license, insurance policies, stock & bond registration, last will & testiment, annuities, or retirement plans

Yours,
 
Go to UAB. Its got a much much better rep than LSU and more doors will be opened if you go to UAB than LSU when time comes for residency. I think LSU is a combined program with Tulane (or something to that effect), at least for their medicine program. One thing I heard on the residency circuit is that "Tulane runs the show, whereas LSU just happens to be there", which says a lot about the environment there. But if you go to UAB, be prepared to work hard. I have met a few UAB grads at my medical school and they say they put in more hours than the interns and have fewer holidays than most other medical schools. But, you will have at least have a very good shot at UAB (a very good institution) and other finer institutions (the southern swaps are mostly beteen Emory, UAB, Vandy, Chapel Hill, Duke, UVA and Wake) when times comes for residency.
 
I got a comment from another poster expressing anxiety as to how difficult obtaining residency might be. Here's the way to save $18,000/year:

1. Get an AL driver's license
2. Get an apartment before July 15th
3. Register to vote, then vote in November
4. Stay in Birmingham during summer break doing research or something
5. Open a local bank account
6. Join the Medical Association of the State Alabama (I think one time fee of $250 for students or something like that) or a local church, synagogue, etc.
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7. Pay AL state income taxes over a 12mo period.

Again if you have questions, please PM me and I'll try to help you out.

Yours,
 
LSU and Tulane do not have any kind of "combined program." The medicine services are run totally separately. This is the case for all programs at the 2 schools: They both handle patient care in the Charity system. For example, on medicine service (though this holds for Ob/Gyn and probably peds and surgery), they split the call nights. Therefore, your team is on-call q4 (which is totally in line with what programs around the country have for their call schedules) and your service picks up all new patients taken in that night. If there is a former LSU patient being admitted on a T night, the LSU team on-call will pick up that patient. Otherwise, the Tulane team gets him. The opposite is true as well. So, on any given night, both teams are on call manning the Charity and University ERs. They rarely interact with one another, much less compete or get in each other's way. Also, students work with staff and house officers from their school only. Therefore, LSU students are not competing with Tulane students for attention or vice versa. Once a month or so they have a combined Grand Rounds, to share some intellectual banter, but otherwise they couldn't be more separate if they were in separate hospitals. I wouldn't say Tulane runs the show either. It took them until this year to even get their name on the sign outside the building, if that tells you how much they care about Tulane's input.

As for which school is preferable, I would say that you will probably get a comparable education, but UAB has a stronger reputation. That might provide you more with more options when it comes time for residency. Also, I have heard that their physical plant is much nicer than LSUs. The LSU classrooms are very nice, but the hospitals are old and dirty. It's an amazing experience and I don't necessarily think you should decide how much a hospital has to teach you based on how new and high-tech it is, but if that's what you're looking for, go to Bama. Also, both are state schools, which, in my experience, tend to be somewhat cutthroat. I have heard this about both schools, so I don't know how to separate the 2 on that point.

Lastly, I could be mistaken, but I can't think of another level 1 trauma center in the New Orleans area. Every trauma comes to Charity, period. Plus, the pathology in the New Orleans population is second to none. If you go to LSU-NO, you can be guaranteed to work in NO for a good portion of third year (with a rotation here and there in Baton Rouge or one of the other Charity Hospitals around the state), instead of being shipped to Tuscaloosa or somewhere else like at UAB.

Good luck on
 
I agree with pepto. I don't know how LSU-NO gets shortchanged so much; one of their biggest strengths is clinical medicine. Charity is the second busiest hospital in the US (behind LA County, I think). I'm sure UAB is a great school, but so is LSU. And don't ever forget---whatever you borrow, you must pay back.
 
Oh, and if you go to LSU, you get to say you go to school at the home of the National Champion LSU Tigers!
 
Sounds like people are leaning more towards LSU than UAB on the pre-med circuit. I am not at school at either of these schools, nor am I applying/matching into residency at those programs so you can pretty much be certain that my advice is un-biased; LSU just doesn't have "the rep" on the residency arena (at least in IM) compared to UAB (a first tier program).

As for the "combined program", that sounds right from what I heard from people who were there for med school/residency, who also said that there is tension between people from Tulane and LSU (as with any hospital that have two teams running around, rubbing shoulders against one another). And on the residency circuit, people who interviewed at Tulane and LSU said they liked Tulane much, much better (this is a direct source BTW). Also, LSU is nowhere near the level of UAB, rep wise, a huge consideration several years down the road when you are going through the match. At the end, go to where you want to go (location vs, rep, vs, residency, vs grading systen). This is about as much as I know about those programs and I am not going to post more on this subject, since ultimately its up to you to make the decision, and people will have different opinions than mine. PM me if you want to. But if I were you, I would go to UAB.
 
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