UCLA vs UW (University of Washington)

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I am accepted to both UW and UCLA. I really liked both schools and am not sure where to go. I don't have family in either place and their tuitions are fairly similar. I know that UW is ranked #6 in research by US News, while UCLA is ranked #9 in research.

Eventually I would like to live in California, but right now I'm a resident of Washington, so I wouldn't even have to move if I stay here. On the other hand, UCLA is sunny, warm, and I could possibly become a California resident after my first year.

Should I decide by the numbers or go where it is slightly less expensive or go for the better location? I know that UCLA matches pretty well in residency, but I can't even find a match list for UW. Also how bad is the smog at UCLA?

Lastly any insight onto the positive/negative apsects of UCLA vs. UW curriculums. Any opinions would be helpful.😀

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I am accepted to both UW and UCLA. I really liked both schools and am not sure where to go. I don't have family in either place and their tuitions are fairly similar. I know that UW is ranked #6 in research by US News, while UCLA is ranked #9 in research.

Eventually I would like to live in California, but right now I'm a resident of Washington, so I wouldn't even have to move if I stay here. On the other hand, UCLA is sunny, warm, and I could possibly become a California resident after my first year.

Should I decide by the numbers or go where it is slightly less expensive or go for the better location? I know that UCLA matches pretty well in residency, but I can't even find a match list for UW. Also how bad is the smog at UCLA?

Lastly any insight onto the positive/negative apsects of UCLA vs. UW curriculums. Any opinions would be helpful.😀

Go to U W... so I can have your spot at UCLA😛

But both are GREAT schools. You will not be precluded from a California residency by going to UW, so you will not go wrong either way. Good luck with your decision.
 
Both are excellent schools. Washington has a greater emphasis on primary care. Since you are a Washington resident, the U of W would ultimately be less expensive. And frankly, I would prefer Seattle to LA but that is, of course, a personal opinion. Certainly, you can get a residency in California if you excel at the U of W.

All things considered, I vote for Washington.
 
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If you are fortunate enough to be accepted to The U of W, you don't turn it down. Oh, and I'm saying that while 'still under consideration' there. Under normal circumstances I would lie and say go UCLA to help me. But I can't, because UW is that good of a school. Seattle is one of the most progressive, beatiful cities in the nation and I've been most everywhere. It's curriculum is outstanding. As an undergrad at UW I did research with professors in Ortho. Surgery and Dermatology; they take their teaching as seriously as they do their publishing work. Simply a great place to train.
 
UW is a great school and Seattle is a great place. You will have no problem relocating to California later. My father went to UW for medical school and got a great education.

I applied but I'm not a washington resident...didn't even get a secondary 🙁
 
If you are fortunate enough to be accepted to The U of W, you don't turn it down. Oh, and I'm saying that while 'still under consideration' there. Under normal circumstances I would lie and say go UCLA to help me. But I can't, because UW is that good of a school. Seattle is one of the most progressive, beatiful cities in the nation and I've been most everywhere. It's curriculum is outstanding. As an undergrad at UW I did research with professors in Ortho. Surgery and Dermatology; they take their teaching as seriously as they do their publishing work. Simply a great place to train.


Thats weird, because I would say the same thing for UCLA, if your fortunate enough to get accepted to it, you should go unless you get into Harvard, Stanford, UCSF or Yale, but thats just because I didnt even know UW was ranked 6th before I read this thread.
 
I am accepted to both UW and UCLA. I really liked both schools and am not sure where to go. I don't have family in either place and their tuitions are fairly similar. I know that UW is ranked #6 in research by US News, while UCLA is ranked #9 in research.

Eventually I would like to live in California, but right now I'm a resident of Washington, so I wouldn't even have to move if I stay here. On the other hand, UCLA is sunny, warm, and I could possibly become a California resident after my first year.

Should I decide by the numbers or go where it is slightly less expensive or go for the better location? I know that UCLA matches pretty well in residency, but I can't even find a match list for UW. Also how bad is the smog at UCLA?

Lastly any insight onto the positive/negative apsects of UCLA vs. UW curriculums. Any opinions would be helpful.😀

I wouldn't decide by the numbers, they're close enough that it doesn't make a difference (but if you must consider numbers, UCLA Medical Center is #3 in the country 😀). I'm sure either school are pretty much equal as far as where you can match.

As for smog, it's less of a problem in Westwood than Downtown, because the air gets cleaner as you get closer to the ocean.

If tuition is similar, I would go by the overall feeling you got from each.
 
If you are fortunate enough to be accepted to The U of W, you don't turn it down. Oh, and I'm saying that while 'still under consideration' there.

I think the statment "If you get accepted to --insert school here--, you HAVE to go" is never true, even if it's Hopkins or Harvard.
 
I think the statment "If you get accepted to --insert school here--, you HAVE to go" is never true, even if it's Hopkins or Harvard.

And I think it'd be preferable to live in Siberia than L. *cough hack* A. The fact you even mention smog is :laugh: amusing.

Oh, and tuition isn't similar if you actually read the OP. They will be paying resident tuition at UW.
 
I am accepted to both UW and UCLA. I really liked both schools and am not sure where to go. I don't have family in either place and their tuitions are fairly similar. I know that UW is ranked #6 in research by US News, while UCLA is ranked #9 in research.

Eventually I would like to live in California, but right now I'm a resident of Washington, so I wouldn't even have to move if I stay here. On the other hand, UCLA is sunny, warm, and I could possibly become a California resident after my first year.

Should I decide by the numbers or go where it is slightly less expensive or go for the better location? I know that UCLA matches pretty well in residency, but I can't even find a match list for UW. Also how bad is the smog at UCLA?

Lastly any insight onto the positive/negative apsects of UCLA vs. UW curriculums. Any opinions would be helpful.😀

No question at all UCLA. Forget UW...especially if you want to eventually be in california.
 
Oh, and tuition isn't similar if you actually read the OP. They will be paying resident tuition at UW.

I am accepted to both UW and UCLA. I really liked both schools and am not sure where to go. I don't have family in either place and their tuitions are fairly similar. I know that UW is ranked #6 in research by US News, while UCLA is ranked #9 in research.

Eventually I would like to live in California, but right now I'm a resident of Washington, so I wouldn't even have to move if I stay here. On the other hand, UCLA is sunny, warm, and I could possibly become a California resident after my first year.

Should I decide by the numbers or go where it is slightly less expensive or go for the better location? I know that UCLA matches pretty well in residency, but I can't even find a match list for UW. Also how bad is the smog at UCLA?

Lastly any insight onto the positive/negative apsects of UCLA vs. UW curriculums. Any opinions would be helpful.😀

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And I think it'd be preferable to live in Siberia than L. *cough hack* A.

You're not the one making the decision, so it's irrelevant what you think about LA.

The fact you even mention smog is :laugh: amusing.

I brought smog up because the OP asked about it.
 
I am accepted to both UW and UCLA. I really liked both schools and am not sure where to go. I don't have family in either place and their tuitions are fairly similar. I know that UW is ranked #6 in research by US News, while UCLA is ranked #9 in research.

Eventually I would like to live in California, but right now I'm a resident of Washington, so I wouldn't even have to move if I stay here. On the other hand, UCLA is sunny, warm, and I could possibly become a California resident after my first year.

Should I decide by the numbers or go where it is slightly less expensive or go for the better location? I know that UCLA matches pretty well in residency, but I can't even find a match list for UW. Also how bad is the smog at UCLA?

Lastly any insight onto the positive/negative apsects of UCLA vs. UW curriculums. Any opinions would be helpful.😀

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Did you get to meet any students and faculty from the schools? The community and whether I could see myself working with these people for the next four years would be very important to me. The location may be valuable too since you will be living there for a long time.

Otherwise, schools generally have the same curriculums. You may want to consider what types of clinical rotation sites each school offers which will be important to your 3rd and 4th year experience.

Best of luck 🙂
 
UW IS

Resident Tuition 19,122

Books & Equipment 2,298

Room & Board 12,474

Personal 2,265

Transportation 1,524

UW Health fee 475

Total 38,158

UCLA OOS
Nonresident
University registration fee 864.00
Educational fee 6,204.00

Graduate Students Association fee 39.00

Graduate Writing Center fee 12.00

Ackerman Student Union fee 43.50

Ackerman/Kerckhoff Seismic fee 113.00

Wooden Center fee 45.00

Student Programs, Activities, and Resources Center fee 93.00

Graduate Student Health Insurance Plan (GSHIP) 1,338.00

Disability Insurance fee (assessed fall term) 61.00

Special Law/Medicine fee 376.00

Nonresident tuition 12,245.00

Professional School fee 14,984.00

Total mandatory fees 36,417.50

Room and Board 14,250

Books 4360
Travel 4,800
Misc. 2,630
Total: $62,897.50
 
At UCLA I already know that I will receive a $20,000 SOM Scholarship and they said that I will get that every year, so the tuition will ultimately be similar for both schools in my situation. The difficulty I'm having is that both schools seemed great when I interviewed there, so neither one stands out above the other for me.
 
I wish I had to make this decision 🙁
 
Forget UCLA. The University of Washington is a much better school in my opinion. It is ranked #1 in Primary care and #6 in Research, while UCLA is rank #12 in Primary Care and #9 research. I think you will get the best of both worlds at UW.
 
I guarantee you that will you be kicking yourself in a year if you turn down UCLA. You don't turn down UCLA... it's a blessing from whatever god you pray to. Honestly man, go to UCLA.


edit: I think everybody should say where they are are from.. obviously I am biased since I am a california resident and I would never ever ever in a MILLION years choose U-dub over UCLA.
 
UCLA for sure. I see no advantages of UW. They are both top 10 schools and will prepare you well, but southern CA and especially Westwood is a much nicer place to live than Washington. Seattle is a dreary depressing city compared to LA. UCLA's curriculum is great, and the hospital is one of the best in the world. And you'd be a CA resident after the first year to get in-state tuition.
 
UCLA for sure. I see no advantages of UW. They are both top 10 schools and will prepare you well, but southern CA and especially Westwood is a much nicer place to live than Washington. Seattle is a dreary depressing city compared to LA. UCLA's curriculum is great, and the hospital is one of the best in the world. And you'd be a CA resident after the first year to get in-state tuition.

I can't believe you called Seattle dreary...it is one of the most livable cities in the United States (and also one of the prettiest).

That isn't just my opinion, it has been voted as such several times. What has LA won recently? I believe it beat out NYC last year for the rudest city in the country.

To be honest I forget where these polls come from (I know the economist does these sorts of things every year), but regardless Seattle is quite consistently in the top 10 most livable cities in the US regardless of which poll you read...I don't think I've read anything that tried to claim LA was a great place to live.

Nothing against LA, but calling Seattle dreary is just wrong. It is gorgeous (And you'll never be sleepy because there are like 100 different kinds of coffee shops! 😉)
 
I can't believe you called Seattle dreary...it is one of the most livable cities in the United States (and also one of the prettiest).

That isn't just my opinion, it has been voted as such several times. What has LA won recently? I believe it beat out NYC last year for the rudest city in the country.

To be honest I forget where these polls come from (I know the economist does these sorts of things every year), but regardless Seattle is quite consistently in the top 10 most livable cities in the US regardless of which poll you read...I don't think I've read anything that tried to claim LA was a great place to live.

Nothing against LA, but calling Seattle dreary is just wrong. It is gorgeous (And you'll never be sleepy because there are like 100 different kinds of coffee shops! 😉)

As a Seattle resident for 8 years, I feel that I must chime in here--unfortunately, it IS dreary for 7 months out of the year. The sun just doesn't come out that much during the winter and it is cold, gray, and rainy. Granted, the summer months from May to Aug/Sept are just GORGEOUS...it never gets too hot and never humid, and the sun is out almost every day during that time.

Weather aside, Seattle is a very beautiful city in terms of locale. UW (where I went to undergrad and now work) sits right on the water and there are many pretty parks nearby that are clean and have amazing views (I'm thinking of Gasworks here). The bus system is very convenient in the city and downtown is only 15-20 minutes away by bus. The people here tend to be very outdoorsy and biking-oriented, and if you like that kind of thing, then you should fit in well here.

Both of my roommates are UW MS-2s and they say that UW is one of the schools with the most in-class time (not sure about how it compares to UCLA). The curriculum is very traditional and every MS1 starts off with a huge anatomy-only block for a few weeks. There are preceptorships available from the beginning and lots of cool things to do during the summer between MS1 and MS2.

If you are really torn OP, I'd go to both second look weekends (if they have them) and then see what you think. It's hard to look at abstractions like "rankings" and curriculums and be able to really get a feel for where you would fit in best.
 
I'm from Portland, which has somewhat similar weather to Seattle. Rain can be a very beautiful thing...so i wouldn't say it is only gorgeous during the summer months.
 
Both of my roommates are UW MS-2s and they say that UW is one of the schools with the most in-class time (not sure about how it compares to UCLA). The curriculum is very traditional and every MS1 starts off with a huge anatomy-only block for a few weeks. There are preceptorships available from the beginning and lots of cool things to do during the summer between MS1 and MS2.

Well that is a big difference. UCLA has 2 hours of lecture per day plus PBL and afternoon labs, which on average a total of 24 hrs/wk in class. Also, the curriculum is fully systems integrated, with anatomy/histology/pharm/physiology/ect. taught together over 2 years so that it corresponds to what system is being studied at that time. It doesn't make much sense to study thoracic anatomy without understanding cardio and pulmonary physiology.
 
Well that is a big difference. UCLA has 2 hours of lecture per day plus PBL and afternoon labs, which on average a total of 24 hrs/wk in class. Also, the curriculum is fully systems integrated, with anatomy/histology/pharm/physiology/ect. taught together over 2 years so that it corresponds to what system is being studied at that time. It doesn't make much sense to study thoracic anatomy without understanding cardio and pulmonary physiology.

Oh right, I forgot to mention that UW doesn't have an integrated systems curriculum. So that may make a big difference to the OP as well.
 
i'm a current 1st year at UCLA. if you need any info, feel free to ask. I know nothing of UW....but imho, UCLA is THE place to be....of course that's a slight bias on my part 😉

With all this talk about #'s....I really think you are approaching this the wrong way. I understand the temptation to go by rankings, but in reality, when you're talking about two top notch schools, there's really so many more impt. factors to consider.

For example, where is your family?
What's your interest in research or pursuing a dual degree?
What kind of learning environment/curriculum suits you?
etc, etc.

Med school's tough, but it's even harder if you don't have a good support system nearby or if you're not learning the right way.

Oh, and one other big point (in my mind)...UCLA's anatomy is all prosected. No sure about UW
 
i'm a current 1st year at UCLA. if you need any info, feel free to ask. I know nothing of UW....but imho, UCLA is THE place to be....of course that's a slight bias on my part 😉

With all this talk about #'s....I really think you are approaching this the wrong way. I understand the temptation to go by rankings, but in reality, when you're talking about two top notch schools, there's really so many more impt. factors to consider.

For example, where is your family?
What's your interest in research or pursuing a dual degree?
What kind of learning environment/curriculum suits you?
etc, etc.

Med school's tough, but it's even harder if you don't have a good support system nearby or if you're not learning the right way.

Oh, and one other big point (in my mind)...UCLA's anatomy is all prosected. No sure about UW

could you shed some light onto why EVERY ucla med student seems to be ecstatic about their school? What factors play into this
 
i'm a current 1st year at UCLA. if you need any info, feel free to ask. I know nothing of UW....but imho, UCLA is THE place to be....of course that's a slight bias on my part 😉

With all this talk about #'s....I really think you are approaching this the wrong way. I understand the temptation to go by rankings, but in reality, when you're talking about two top notch schools, there's really so many more impt. factors to consider.

For example, where is your family?
What's your interest in research or pursuing a dual degree?
What kind of learning environment/curriculum suits you?
etc, etc.

Med school's tough, but it's even harder if you don't have a good support system nearby or if you're not learning the right way.

Oh, and one other big point (in my mind)...UCLA's anatomy is all prosected. No sure about UW
Well, my family is all over the place(NY, San Francisco, and HI), but I've been separated from them for many years and am not really making that a factor. I'm only interested in an M.D. degree and want to go into a surgical residency (orthopedic surgery maybe). I definitely liked the environments of both schools.

I have heard that at UW, the amount of time in class during the first year is about 8 hrs a day, which seems like a lot. Does this increased class time help or hurt? I was interested by the fact that everything in anatomy is already set up for you at UCLA, but I am also interested in the IHOP (international health opportunity program) at UW, does UCLA have anything like this (where you go for a 10 week internship type thing in a foreign country during the summer between years 1 and 2?

I will definitely go to the second looks to get more info, but I'd really like to know if anyone can tell me the positives and negatives of each school that I may not know. Thanks
 
Here is something for someone who is deciding between UCLA and Stanford. Some of it is relevant to this discussion.

"I would say we have a very social and laid back class. The LA area is also a lot more conducive to partying than Palo Alto. Also, UCLA's class size is about 150 while Stanford's is one of the smallest, which means I think you will have a higher chance of meeting people who share your interests.

It is P/F all 4 years. We do get written evaluations during 3rd and 4th year, which I think Stanford probably has too (you need some time of clinical clerkship evaluations) but I'm not sure.

Classmates: It is hard to give a description since there are many different people in the class. Most are between 22-25, with some older ones. They are mostly friendly, helpful, non-competitive. They are not nerdy either and care about more than just academic stuff.

The workload was not bad first block, but is a lot heavier now. You will definitely need to spend time studying. The material is not really hard, but just a huge volume. The stress isn't so high though because it is p/f so you don't have to worry about struggling to be perfect. It is definitely manageable especially if you don't put it off, and you won't fail unless you completely disregard your work. We have about 24 hours of class per week. First year it is typically 10 hours of lecture, 4 hours of pbl, 3 hours of doctoring/clinical skills (where we learn how to do a history and physical), 4-5 hours of anatomy lab, and 2.5 hours of histopathology lab. Everything is integrated so you will be doing the anatomy of an organ system while you are learning about it in lecture.

Something that kind of turned me off about Stanford and towards UCLA was that Stanford seemed to narrowly focused on research while UCLA seemed to have a better balance with clinical focus. Most people do some research, but it isn't mandatory and most people finish in 4 years and not 5 like Stanford. I also think we have a better selection of hospitals to train in over the 3rd and 4th years. Our main UCLA hospital is better and newer than Stanford's, and we also get exposure to the VA, Santa Monica Hospital, Kaiser, 2 LA country public hospitals (Harbor and Olive View), and Cedars-Sinai (one of the top private hospitals in the country).

The faculty are for the most part very approachable and into what they teach. They welcome shadowing and seem to want to make you interested in their field. We get exposed to them in lecture settings but also in PBL, since each 8 person pbl group (which switches each block) gets their own faculty "tutor".

Both areas are expensive but UCLA has lower tuition and an automatic 5K scholarship the first year. Also, you are guaranteed housing in Weyburn Terrace for your first 2 years, which most ppl take advantage of. It is very nice grad student housing, a 15 minute walk or shuttle ride away from class, in the middle of Westwood village. There are studios and 2 bedroom apts and townhouses. It is about 1000k/month and that includes all utilities including internet and cable tv.

I'm sure i've left something out, so if you have any more followup or specific questions, feel free to ask."
 
Dissection (removing fat/fascia) takes away from precious time that could be spent actually learning the anatomy.

Eh, I think you learn a lot more doing the dissections than learning by prosection because you see everything before it's all dissected. We have both dissection and prosection in our curriculum and I've always found I learn the things that I dissected more thoroughly and retain it longer. Except for when you clean the trunk for the first time not really that much time is taken in cleaning.
 
And I think it'd be preferable to live in Siberia than L. *cough hack* A. The fact you even mention smog is :laugh: amusing.

Oh, and tuition isn't similar if you actually read the OP. They will be paying resident tuition at UW.

Dumbest comment I've read on SDN.

I've lived in LA for 18 years and loved it. After moving to the east coast for college, I miss LA dearly.

To the OP:
Choose UCLA - you'll love it there. Excellent choice for wanting to eventually be a CA resident. And when people ask about what med school you went to, you won't be like "University of Washington... it's good I swear." They'll just know "oh WOW UCLA medicine is amazing and so you must be also."
 
Dumbest comment I've read on SDN.

I've lived in LA for 18 years and loved it. After moving to the east coast for college, I miss LA dearly.

To the OP:
Choose UCLA - you'll love it there. Excellent choice for wanting to eventually be a CA resident. And when people ask about what med school you went to, you won't be like "University of Washington... it's good I swear." They'll just know "oh WOW UCLA medicine is amazing and so you must be also."

University of Washington is a well respected and well known medical school. It is one of the top in the country. I don't think you would ever need to convince someone that "Its good, I swear".

To the OP:

You can't go wrong picking either one. If you tend to like warmer climates, pick LA. However, Seattle IS very beautiful even during the winter time and it is a far more relaxed city (Northwest in general is probably one of the friendliest places in the US). The schools themselves are probably different curriculum wise, but you will get a good education at both.

I would suggest doing your own research into how each one functions and decide which one fits your personality best.
 
I can't believe you called Seattle dreary...it is one of the most livable cities in the United States (and also one of the prettiest).

That isn't just my opinion, it has been voted as such several times. What has LA won recently? I believe it beat out NYC last year for the rudest city in the country.

To be honest I forget where these polls come from (I know the economist does these sorts of things every year), but regardless Seattle is quite consistently in the top 10 most livable cities in the US regardless of which poll you read...I don't think I've read anything that tried to claim LA was a great place to live.

Nothing against LA, but calling Seattle dreary is just wrong. It is gorgeous (And you'll never be sleepy because there are like 100 different kinds of coffee shops! 😉)

Have you ever lived in LA?

And do you really judge a town by polls and awards? Stereotypically, Seattle's a dreary city. Stereotypically, LA is an awesome city.
 
University of Washington is a well respected and well known medical school. It is one of the top in the country. I don't think you would ever need to convince someone that "Its good, I swear".

To the OP:

You can't go wrong picking either one. If you tend to like warmer climates, pick LA. However, Seattle IS very beautiful even during the winter time and it is a far more relaxed city (Northwest in general is probably one of the friendliest places in the US). The schools themselves are probably different curriculum wise, but you will get a good education at both.

I would suggest doing your own research into how each one functions and decide which one fits your personality best.


Ask 20 people on the street which school they think is better (UW or UCLA) and unless you're living in Washington, I think I know where the responses will lean towards. I'm not talking about people who are into medicine, I'm talking about the layperson.
 
If your ultimate goal is to relocate to Cali, go to UCLA.

Don't close doors, it is way harder to get back to Cali from out of state if you are pursuing a competitive residency ( Integrated Plastics, Rad Onc, Derm, etc).

If you know for sure you want to do a less competitive specialty ( Psychiatry, Pathology, Family Medicine, Peds) then I would choose UW because it is cheaper and the education is just as solid.

Both are great options.
 
Ask 20 people on the street which school they think is better (UW or UCLA) and unless you're living in Washington, I think I know where the responses will lean towards. I'm not talking about people who are into medicine, I'm talking about the layperson.

Who cares? You could randomly ask one thousand people where their doctors went to med school and 995 would have no idea. It is not a factor in how patients select their physicians. It just matters to premeds on SDN.
 
Ask 20 people on the street which school they think is better (UW or UCLA) and unless you're living in Washington, I think I know where the responses will lean towards. I'm not talking about people who are into medicine, I'm talking about the layperson.

Ultimately who's opinion are you going to care about more? The layperson on the street or people who are "into medicine" (IE Doctors and everyone you will be working for/with for the rest of your life). I'm not saying they will think more highly of UW over UCLA. They are BOTH great schools. I was just surprised you somehow thought you would have to "convince" someone that UW is good. Anyone who judges where you go to med school (and whos opinion actually matters) will KNOW UW is one of the best schools in the country. So is UCLA.

What the layperson thinks isn't very impressive...you do know the "average" person when asked on the street can't point out the vast majority of countries in the world on a map.


I live in Portland, and I have traveled to Seattle many times. My mom and sister live in LA (My sister goes to USC). They have lived there for 3 years. Before that I used to make trips because my mom works in the fashion business and we have a house in Palm Springs.

I am fairly familiar with both cities. While LA has its charms, it is definitely not the "jewel" of Southern California...it is by far the ugliest part of Southern California I can think of. Seattle is one of the prettiest cities I've ever been to, and I've been all over the country.

i realize this is just an opinion and obviously having grown up in LA you have a certain bias just like I have a bias for the Northwest. However, I personally love Southern California in general, with the exception of LA.
 
Dumbest comment I've read on SDN.

I've lived in LA for 18 years and loved it. After moving to the east coast for college, I miss LA dearly.

To the OP:
Choose UCLA - you'll love it there. Excellent choice for wanting to eventually be a CA resident. And when people ask about what med school you went to, you won't be like "University of Washington... it's good I swear." They'll just know "oh WOW UCLA medicine is amazing and so you must be also."

I agree. I actually like the rain but the non-stop gray dreary wet october-may is depressing for many people. And anyone who says LA is super smoggy is just repeating a stupid stereotype that might have been true 40 years ago. I don't notice any difference in the air, and unless you are way inland during the summer and have sensitive lungs, I doubt you will notice anything. Furthermore, UCLA is located near the ocean and has good air quality and good weather (summer usually doesn't go above 82).
 
I agree. I actually like the rain but the non-stop gray dreary wet october-may is depressing for many people. And anyone who says LA is super smoggy is just repeating a stupid stereotype that might have been true 40 years ago. I don't notice any difference in the air, and unless you are way inland during the summer and have sensitive lungs, I doubt you will notice anything. Furthermore, UCLA is located near the ocean and has good air quality and good weather (summer usually doesn't go above 82).

You can't call out the "smogginess" as a stereotype in the same paragraph that you talk about how "dreary wet" october through may is in Seattle...that is just as much of a stereotype.

I may not be in Seattle right now but I am in Portland (3-4 hours south...not too far). It's a sunny BEAUTIFUL day with blue skies and big fluffy white clouds. It has been sunny more often this past month than rainy.
 
I am accepted to both UW and UCLA. I really liked both schools and am not sure where to go.

megamega - was this the motivation for your other thread? Where you asked what rankings lists that residency PDs look at?

Don't obsess about rankings. Ultimately, it's not going to matter all that much when it comes to residency interviews. Besides, UWash may be #6 and UCLA may be #9 now....but who knows what the rankings will be 4 years from now when you apply for residency? 😕 This is, in my mind, the NUMBER ONE reason why rankings should NOT affect where you go to med school, because rankings change constantly.

What do the clinical rotations look like? Do they allow for elective time in 3rd year? How are rotations decided? Is it a lottery, or is there another system?

You have lots of questions that you need to ask yourself....
 
You can't call out the "smogginess" as a stereotype in the same paragraph that you talk about how "dreary wet" october through may is in Seattle...that is just as much of a stereotype.

I may not be in Seattle right now but I am in Portland (3-4 hours south...not too far). It's a sunny BEAUTIFUL day with blue skies and big fluffy white clouds. It has been sunny more often this past month than rainy.

Umm, it is not a stereotype. I have been there several times to witness it, and the facts say that Seattle is one of the grayest cities in the US with 226 cloudy days on average per year (http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/cldy.html). There are 82 partly cloudy days, and just 58 clear days.
LA has pretty much no more smog alerts, and I have never heard anyone say anything about the air "smelling" bad or hurting their breathing except during wildfires for a few days a couple years back.
 
What would Tupac say about this

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You can't call out the "smogginess" as a stereotype in the same paragraph that you talk about how "dreary wet" october through may is in Seattle...that is just as much of a stereotype.

I may not be in Seattle right now but I am in Portland (3-4 hours south...not too far). It's a sunny BEAUTIFUL day with blue skies and big fluffy white clouds. It has been sunny more often this past month than rainy.



I live in Portland too... this is just simply not true. It may be clear today but it is like 43 deg. It rains SO SO SO much here (often just sprinkles). Wait until march/apri when we get like 20/30 days with SOME rain.


Also we have had ice and snow several days this winter (at one point I could not move my car for 1 week...this is rare for Oregon though).

Easily the better weather (if you like sun and warm temp) is in California. NO CONTEST. Southern California has one of the best climates in the entire world.
 
megamega - was this the motivation for your other thread? Where you asked what rankings lists that residency PDs look at?

Don't obsess about rankings. Ultimately, it's not going to matter all that much when it comes to residency interviews. Besides, UWash may be #6 and UCLA may be #9 now....but who knows what the rankings will be 4 years from now when you apply for residency? 😕 This is, in my mind, the NUMBER ONE reason why rankings should NOT affect where you go to med school, because rankings change constantly.

What do the clinical rotations look like? Do they allow for elective time in 3rd year? How are rotations decided? Is it a lottery, or is there another system?

You have lots of questions that you need to ask yourself....
My other post asked what ranking system do residency programs/directors look at, not "do rankings matter". I already have an answer for that thread. I don't think the numbers will really be a deciding factor for which school I pick because they are so close to each other in the ranking systems. I don't think the rankings will change much 4 years later (UW has been #1 in primary care for over a decade), so I'm not worried about that either.

I'm concerned with quality of life and quality of education, mostly. Many people have brought up good things about both schools and both locations, so I truly am having a hard time deciding. I really don't want to be kicking myself a year later if I make the wrong decision.
 
I live in Portland too... this is just simply not true. It may be clear today but it is like 43 deg. It rains SO SO SO much here (often just sprinkles). Wait until march/apri when we get like 20/30 days with SOME rain.


Also we have had ice and snow several days this winter (at one point I could not move my car for 1 week...this is rare for Oregon though).

Easily the better weather (if you like sun and warm temp) is in California. NO CONTEST. Southern California has one of the best climates in the entire world.

It really doesn't actually rain that much in Portland...especially lately (i would actually PREFER it rain a little more...we've had snow but very little rain this winter). And 43 degrees? that isn't very cold. Are you in Portland right now? Today is BEAUTIFUL! (What a perfect day for Valentine's Day...I took a long walk in the park with my special someone).

Of course I can't agree that, if you prefer sun and warm temperatures, California (Particularly Southern California) wins over the Northwest...but that doesn't mean the Northwest is dreary and depressing...it is quite beautiful even when it rains.

Hell I may end up down in Southern California for med school...though if I have my wait (I have to wait till May to find out, but I'm keeping my hopes up) it will be San Diego and not LA. I'd survive in LA but I'd prefer to not have to.
 
I'm concerned with quality of life and quality of education, mostly. Many people have brought up good things about both schools and both locations, so I truly am having a hard time deciding. I really don't want to be kicking myself a year later if I make the wrong decision.

I honestly don't think you will kick yourself either way. Both schools will have a just fine quality of life. They will juts be different. Same with the schools, you'll probably adapt just fine and do well regardless of where you go. 90% or more of your education is what you put into it.
 
It really doesn't actually rain that much in Portland...especially lately (i would actually PREFER it rain a little more...we've had snow but very little rain this winter). And 43 degrees? that isn't very cold. Are you in Portland right now? Today is BEAUTIFUL! (What a perfect day for Valentine's Day...I took a long walk in the park with my special someone).

Of course I can't agree that, if you prefer sun and warm temperatures, California (Particularly Southern California) wins over the Northwest...but that doesn't mean the Northwest is dreary and depressing...it is quite beautiful even when it rains.

Hell I may end up down in Southern California for med school...though if I have my wait (I have to wait till May to find out, but I'm keeping my hopes up) it will be San Diego and not LA. I'd survive in LA but I'd prefer to not have to.

Only pansies have to "survive in LA." Everyone else enjoys the great weather and endless amount of things to do there.

San Diego's really nice too, but Los Angeles is the best city in the world.

Beauty is definitely not the most important part of where you live. It's a factor, but as a student at a school ranked "most beautiful campus" I don't think it matters nearly as much as weather.
 
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