UCSD demystified (sort of)

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Hey all:
i received a bunch of e-mails from people this weekend asking me about UCSD and decided to post all my answers in case anyone else was interested.

Be forewarned though that I am only one student out of 120 in my class and what i have written is only my opinion. Everyone's interpretation of their med school experience is different, so keep an open mind to what i have said and what you have heard from other med students. Also, if there are any other UCSD med students lurking here, feel free to add to whatever I have said

If there are any other questions that I have not yet answered, please PM me b/c i do not check these forums very often.

CalBear



1. The main concern that I have is how good is financial aid? Of course, it is a UC and it beats private schools in costs, but I am wondering what kind of package can I expect from the school.

the FA at UCSD is actually really good. Since most students have no source of income, our expected contributions are $0 dollars. Personally for my package I received $12,000 in grants and scholarships and $14,000 in loans (mostly subsidized). Not a bad deal for med school at all! Most of my classmates have this same breakdown, so unless you are filthy rich on your own, I wouldn't be surprised if you received pretty much the same package.

2. I was looking for a list of student groups but could not it online nor in the catalog.

As for the student groups, I couldn't find a link on line. We have this little black booklet titled "student survival guide: for students by students" that has a bunch of info on classes, fun things to do, clubs etc. try calling the admissions office or the Office of student affairs at (858) 534-3700 to see if they would send you one.

3. I'm wondering if you know if Sprint PCS has decent reception at the la jolla area/UCSD?

The cell phone plans that work best around here are sprint, verizon, and ATT. Do NOT get cingular or T-mobile b/c you can't get reception at any of the nearby apartments or on campus. I personally have ATT and have never had any problems with getting reception.

4. How do you like it at UCSD in general?

Personally I really like it here. my classmates are really nice, most of the faculty are approachable and really like teaching, and the administration and staff are really helpful. Compared to undergrad at Berkeley, i really like it here b/c contrary to all the rumors, people here are really friendly and are not even close to being as competitive as they are in undergrad. That's not to say of course that there are no competitive people in my class; there are bound to be a few in each school. However, no matter how competitive they are they are still willing to help one another out. We have several people in our class who regularly and graciously share their study notes with the rest of the class.

5. What kind of study abroad/clinical opportunities are there?

There are actually quite a few study abroad and clinical opportunities available. There are several programs where medical students go to South America for the summer and provide the underserved there with basic medical care such as vitamins and immunizations. Quite a few of my classmates are going to participate in these programs and there are really excited. Of course there is always the free clinic that you should have heard about during your interview. You basically get to be the "doctor" and decide what treatment to provide...of course you also have the help of an attending and a fourth year medical student. There are also a lot of clinical electives that you can do. There are preceptorships in pediatrics, reproductive medicine, surgery, etc. this is not "shadowing" and you actually get to do stuff like patient histories and basic physical examinations (we don't actually learn that stuff till the spring quarter, so if you do a preceptorship you can get earlier experience.)


6. What about student involvement in community service?

As for community service, my classmates do a lot of outreach and educational programs. There are also several student run organizations that organize blood drives and the such. Several of my classmates are also involved in outside community work. For example, several students are going to be volunteering at a camp for children with cancer this summer. if you are interested in a community service activity and it is not available, all you have to do is take the initiative and organize it and I'm sure you will get a lot of your classmates to help you out.


7. Also, when do you guys take the boards? Does everyone take it together or is the timing flexible?

As for the boards, I am only a first year so I have not really thought about it all too much. my second year friends are currently studying for them though and they are scheduled to take it in June. I'm pretty sure that all second year medical students have to take it in june of their second year b/c that is the only time that they offer it.


8. What do people do outside of class/studying?

In our spare time my classmates basically do the same things that everyone else does. a ton of people went to see matrix together weds night when it first cam out. Also, last week was one of my classmates' b-days and we had a beach bbq and watched the lunar eclipse. Just this weekend a bunch of people went clubbing and to the zoo. We have a forum and whenever someone has something planned they will put it on the forum and invite the whole class. That?s pretty nice b/c everyone is invited to everything and we get to socialize with people who are not in our usual circle of friends.


9. What do you think are the strengths and weaknesses of SD's program?

Personally, I think that the strength of the school is definitely the faculty and staff. There are some absolutely amazing professors here who really do care about the students. Unfortunately, we do have our share of bad professors just like any other school might have. The one thing that really impressed me when I interviewed here and still impresses me now is the fact that the school truly does want you to succeed and will do anything to help you. They have an absolutely fabulous tutorial program where the tutors give us regular review sessions, private tutoring, and study aids. Out of all the schools I interviewed at there was not one that had a tutoring program. If you are interested in research, one of the strengths of the school is definitely the research that takes place here. The only thing that I really don?t like about the school is that we have to do a senior thesis to graduate. It?s not really a lot of work b/c you can do anything from a community service project, to clinical research, or to basic science research. I personally don?t like the thesis requirement b/c I would rather do something else with my free time. Honestly though, it?s really easy to complete and is not a big deal.

11. Are the UCSD housing (dorms) better than apts in the area for the price...btw, how much are ucsd's dorm costs?

the UCSD on-campus dorms (single graduate housing) is actually not that great. you have a 4 bedroom apartment that you share with 3 other graduate students. there is a common bathroom and a kitchen. i don't know about you, but that seems a little crowded. also, i've seen the rooms and they are TINY. the plus side is that they are extremely inexpensive with rent ranging from 200-250 a month. the university also has off-campus apartments at Coast and Mesa. These apartments are such a great deal. you can get a one bedroom for 500-600 dollars a month or a 2 bed/1 bath for 600-700 a month for the entire apartment--- that means your share will only be 300-350 if you had a roommate for the other room. unfortunately the waiting list for these apartments is very long and can be up to two-three years. that's why i suggested that you turn in an application even if you are not sure about wanting to live in university affiliated housing. by the time you even get offered an apartment you might be in your third year and by then the option of having your own place for 500-600 might be appealing to you. there's no penalty for not taking an apartment if it is offered to you, so you might as well turn in an application. The last option for university housing is La Jolla Del Sol, which is the subsidized apartments located about 3 miles from campus. These apartments are pure luxury! very clean with a gym, two swimming pools, and tennis courts. the singles range from 900-1000 there and 2 bed/2 bath range from 1100-1300. Not as cheap as Mesa or Coast apartments, but a great deal nonetheless. BTW, the best thing about these apartments is that there is a washer and dryer right in your apartment, so no more searching for quarters! for more info go to http://hds.ucsd.edu/hsgaffil/index.html.

12. What is the average number of hours of lecture a week?

The average number of lecture hours varies each quarter/block. for this quarter we have:
Monday--8 hours
Tuesday--4 hours + elective if you have one on this day
wednesday--8 hours
thursday--4 hours + elective if you have one on this day
Friday--8 hours.

Pretty scary...but most of the class only shows up for half of the lactures b/c we get all the lecture notes and we have class note takers. personally, i attend half of the lectures and am doing prefectly fine. I have some friends who don't show up for a single class and only come to take the test. as far as i can tell they are doing really well still.

The schedule is not always this crazy though. for instance for the mini block during fall, we only had 3 hours of class per day for about a month.

All in all though, i must admit that we do have quite a bit of lecture hours.
 
my last post was too long, so here are the remaining questions:

13. About the mean, GOOD LORD, you guys are really smart. Are the tests fair and do-able if you put in the time or is just that you guys are geniuses?

i think that our means are high b/c many people in our class are extremely bright. it is actually quite scary at times when you realize the brilliance of your classmates. However, though our means are still high, the passing grade on a test is still doable and ranges between 50-65% on each test. unlike berkeley, the professors goal is not to fail a set number of people. if you look at the grade distribution, the people who fail really are 10% or more off the bell curve. even if you fail it is not the end of the world. you get an opportunity to take a make up class during the summer and retake the final. if you pass then, you will continue along with your classmates. even if you don't pass that second time around, you merely "deaccelerate" your studies and graduate a year later. really no biggie considering that for your remaining time at med school you have half the work load of your classmates.

14. I see that UCSD sends about 66% to primary care which speaks loudly about the training UCSD offers in primary care. Do you have this years match list (2003) or any ideas on how i can see it online?

i guess we do send a lot of people into primary care....that's not to say that all those students stay in primary care though. many of them will go on to do a fellowship and subspecialize in fields such as cardiology and neurology. as for the match list, i'm having trouble accessing it for some reason. e-mail the admissions office and i'm sure they'll be more than happy to send it to you.

15. Just from looking at the daily schedule, it seems really intense in lecture hours. Are there any imminent changes in the curriculum?

As for your questions, the lecture hours are quite intense b/c we are primarily lecture based. the problem with the schedule on-line is that that that is not actually our real schedule. they are merely timeblocks that the different classes have "available" for lecture hours and quite often they do not use up all the hours. also, the timeblocks shown for tuesday and thursday afternoon are for electives from 1-4 in the afternoon. in reality, you only have one elective once a week, either on tuesday or thurdsday (NOT both days), depending on which elective you take. also, your elective does not neccessairly take up that much time. thus, you are guaranteed at least one free afternoon a week. all in all, we have much less class time than shown on the schedules you see on-line. As far as i can tell, there are no big plans to change the curriculum and lecture hours unless we completely revamp the curriculum style. besides, there are several classes you don't even need to attend to do well. if you handled undergrad lecture hours, you would have no prob here at all.

16. From talking to many first year students, is the spring quarter the busiest out of all quarters?

the spring schedule is not neccesarily the busiest. It's usually the quarter that most people find most difficult b/c we take organ physiology.

17. When do we get information on how to login the computers and forums at ucsd med school?

i don't think you can actually log in to the computer system till late august when they have the finalized student class list. you won't be missing anything though.

18. How do you compare the intensity of the med school atmosphere to that of berkeley's premed atmosphere?

it's definitely a lot better. in my opinion berkeley was absoultely brutal with conniving premeds who were unwilling to help one another out. my classmates are completely opposite of the berkeley premeds. they share notes with one another and study together. There, is however some 1-2 individuals who are so called gunners here. But that is to be expected at every school. The good news i guess is that they are not outright mean and still work with other people; they're just a little more "hard-core" than most.

19. Where are some areas to look for housing? i hear that mira mesa is an alternative to la jolla, any feedback would be much appreciated.

you really do not want to live in mira mesa. it's kind of far and with traffic it will take you 20 minutes to get to campus. if possible live in la jolla. the prices are not actually that bad compared to berkeley. you'll be paying about the same price but get to live in luxury: nice clean apartments, gyms, etc. But do send in your housing application ASAP so that you might get housing with UCSD next year.

20. Do the administration listen to the needs and concerns of the students?

The administration is absolutely wonderful here. Whenever you have a problem you can talk to almost anyone from your faculty advisor to your OSA advisor to the faulty and to the dean. If possible they will help you with your problems and concerns. But please keep in mind that they cannot work miracles and it might take some time to see "big" changes.

21. I would love to learn more about UCSD - the atmosphere, the competition (why is there so much negative energy surrounding this school?).

the atmosphere at UCSD is pretty much like any other med school (I am coming to this conclusion from what my other friends at other schools have told me). Regarding the students, there are all the usual types: the partiers, the bookworms, the slackers, etc. of course you are probably wondering about the competition and so-called gunners at the school. Well?I would be lying through my teeth if I told you that there were no gunners or competition within my class. There?s bound to be a few at EVERY medical school in the country. I think the difference between the few ?gunners? that we do have and those that you see in undergrad is that the few in my class are not ?real? gunners in the sense that they are not mean and conniving. They are genuinely nice people who care a little more about their grades. As I mentioned before, people here are really nice and even the so-called gunners share their study notes with the rest of the class and go to social functions. About the competition?.of course there is some competition. However, I like to think that the competition here is against one?s own self and not against a classmate. I haven?t really seen any of my classmates compete with one another. More often than not, it is a classmate who strives to work better and push their OWN limits so that they may b/c a better doctor. As for the rumors, I have no idea why there are so many. I personally think that its urban legends that just got more exaggerated each year. I have personally not seen anything here that is even close to what I have heard through the grapevine when I was applying. I guess you guys will just have to come here and see for yourselves if those rumors are true.

22. Do you think it is hard to do well there b/c people are competitive?

It all depends on what you mean to do well. Do you mean honors? BTW, only 10% of the class get honors, so it?ll help you keep your sanity to just strive to pass. Do you mean passing? It?s not difficult to pass. Unlike undergrad where the professors HAD to fail a certain percentage of students, they really don?t do that here. True, there are a few people who fail each class, but that number is quite small and comparable to what I heard is at other schools. BTW, if you don?t pass the first time around you get a second chance during the summer and a third chance if you need it. I personally think that the reason it?s a little harder to score above the mean is b/c everyone here is so extremely bright. There is gonna be those people at any school, so stop focusing on them and just put all your energy into you PASSING the course. Trust me, it?s time better spent.


23. I have heard of lots of people turning down UCSD for UCI and I just dont get that - could the atmospheres be THAT different?

I have no idea why people are turning down UCSD for UCI. Optimistically, I hope that there was a personal factor involved such as costs, location, etc. However, there are bound to be a few who chose UCI strictly b/c of the rumors. This is very unfortunate and I hope you all will make the effort to unravel those rumors for yourselves. UCSD is an awesome school and I love it here!

24. UCSD seems like such a wonderful place to go to school - i love sunny weather and living in san diego seems easy.

Yes it is.

25. Also, does it seem like lots of people stay at ucsd for their residency? Would it be difficult to come back up to LA?

I glanced at the match list this year and it seemed that there were at least 10 people who stayed in san diego for their residency. However, there were quite a few in LA. At a glance I would say that >90% stayed in CA for residency and 10% scattered here and there in the Midwest and new york. UCSD is an awesome school and I really see no reason why it wouldn?t be realistically possible for you to stay in CA for your residency.
 
Wow. That's a great list of questions you have there. Good job.
 
I agree. Thank you very much for clearing the negatives I've heard surrounding the school. I have a question though...I notice that UCSD has a thesis requirement for graduation at AAMC. I wonder, when do you start on research, since thesis statements are required?

Thank you again, CalBear!
 
Wow, thanks for putting so much time and thoughtfulness into that, Calbear. Thank you!
 
Hey all:

here are some new questions that people have been asking me about.

CalBear

1. wondering what your perception is of the md/phd students. are they happy? how is their administration? how is the research at ucsd.

The Md/phd students seemed to be pretty happy. i'm not md/phd, so i cannot tell you for sure. but the whole class hangs out together (both md and md/phd) and they seem to be enjoying their time here a lot. I really don't know much about the administration for the md/phd program. you might have to call the office of student affairs to ask them who you can call. As for the research, the research here is abs outstanding! we were ranked #16 by US news this year in research and that has a lot to say about that topic. Also, we have pretty easy access to research if you want to do it. We have required thesis project here and neither I nor my classmates have not had any problems finding professors to work with. The faculty here are really excited to work with med students.

2. how do you feel about dean savioa and the admin?

I really like Dr Savoia. she really does care about the students and comes to all of our functions such as the talent show. she's really approachable and you can come to her to talk about anything. the same goes for the rest of the administration.

3. how about the curriculum, is it relevant to the boards and patient contact?

the curriculum (first two years ) is relevant to the boards and somewhat to patient contact. like any other school, we learn everything that we need for the boards. We also have two classes called SBS and ICM throughout the first two years that teaches us how to do physical examinations, learn to recognize different patient issues, how to approach death and dying, etc. these two classes are extremely helpful for the clinical years and for the rest of our careers.

4. how is sd? more importantly, do you have time to enjoy sd?

San diego is a great place to live and i definitely do have time to enjoy it. The beaches are five minutes away, there are tons of restaurants, and many bars/clubs. I would say on average that i have time to go to the beach at least once a week and my classmates probably go clubbing as a whole group at least every other week.

5. do students match well?

students match really well here into all the competitive residencies. i can't seem to download the match list for this year, so call the school to send you a copy.

6. what would get a better residency, ucsd mstp or harvard new pathway

I can't really tell you who (between UCSD and harvard) gets the better residency programs b/c i know nothing about harvard b/c i didn't apply there.


7. do you go to free clinic, does it help you at all

i personally have not participated in the free clinic b/c i wanted to take other electives. my classmates who have taken it really do enjoy it though and keep volunteering there even if they don't get any credit. I'm sure doing the free clinic does have its advantages b/c you get real patients to work on. however, i have spoken to several people who have said that you learn the same stuff during our ICM classes, so you won't be missing out if you decide not to take it.

8. I notice that UCSD has a thesis requirement for graduation at AAMC. I wonder, when do you start on research, since thesis statements are required?

people generally complete their thesis requirement the summer between MSI and MSII. you can complete it anytime though and even have two months during the fourth year to complete it if you need it. A lot of my classmates complete it during the first summer b/c we can apply for NIH grants that provide a stipend of approx $4000 to do research during the summer. generally there are 36 slots and about 45-50 people apply. I would suggest you apply for the NIH grant b/c you can get paid for doing your thesis project!

BTW, you can do your thesis project anytime b/f you graduate and it can be virtually on anything. past projects have included a film documentary, basic science research, clinical research, and community service projects. it's npt difficult to fullful this requirement at all.
 
Thanks again CalBear!

I'll certainly consider UCSD more as you've answered more questions. It's certainly moved up my list of prospective medical schools.

Keep 'em coming! 🙂
 
wow, this thread's helpful. 🙂
 
thanks for the info...

but now being from berkeley and loving that school immensely.....i feel as tho i have to defend some of the premeds that attended there...

we arent all bad.
 
Woohoo, we should start a UCSD Class of 2008 Thread with this info.... and keep adding to it.
 
Originally posted by DoctorKevin
Woohoo, we should start a UCSD Class of 2008 Thread with this info.... and keep adding to it.

Wait a minute... what about Cornell?? and UCSF?!? What happens when you get into those two schools?
 
Calbee
Calbear

Are you guys starting a CareBear spin-off?
 
Originally posted by AlreadyInDebt
Wait a minute... what about Cornell?? and UCSF?!? What happens when you get into those two schools?

Yeah, maybe we should wait till March (che che che....)
 
Originally posted by DoctorKevin
(che che che....)

That's a new one... :laugh: Whatever happened to haha, or hee hee, or tee hee? I'll have to ponder a bit more whether I like this che che che business!!

UCSD, though! WOW!!!!
 
I dunno if this happened to anyone, but for the last couple of months, I've been on hold for interview on the website. For the last couple of days, they took the hold off, but I haven't gotten any emails or postings on the website?...anyone else? should i be worried, because my shreds of hope were destroyed when i was put on hold for an interview. i don't wanna get my hopes up just to be put down by the man again. 😳(
 
anyone have the phone number for the SOM admissions office?
 
Here you go! Good Luck... let us know how it goes!!

Yvonne Coleman
UCSD School of Medicine
Office of Admissions, 0621
La Jolla, CA 92093-0621
(858) 534-3882
 
Thanks a bunch alreadyindebt. =)
 
Oh the che che che is this thing I do when I'm not sure about a decision.... Like when someone clicks their toungue and looks around the room confused....
 
HOLY CRAP! I just called the admissions office for UCSD. I got off the hold for interview list...invited to interview in mid january. woo hoo! haha. Screamed on the phone! haha.
 
Originally posted by finnpipette
HOLY CRAP! I just called the admissions office for UCSD. I got off the hold for interview list...invited to interview in mid january. woo hoo! haha. Screamed on the phone! haha.

WOW!! Same thing happened to chapinsita... It took 2 months to get off the hold list! How exciting! CONGRATS and I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO jealous!!
 
hehe... oh yeah, funny i keep forgetting about the pile of silent schools...

i also spent about an hour masterminding a public transit plan from my place in SF to stanford if they take me.
 
Yeah, there are baby bullet trains starting in the Spring, 30 minutes to SF. ITs too cool.
 
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