UCSF and other schools- DDS/PhD programs

[victorria82]

Hey all,
I am interested about some DDS/PhD programs offered at UCSF and other schools. for those of u who applied or who are interested in applying to such programs, can u please tell me what other schools, including UCSF, have such a program? ALSO, for those of who were accepted to a DDS/PhD program, can post ur stats for both the GRE and the DAT and grade pt average?

Thanks. Danke
Victorria

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[mvs04]

What a lame question. Where do some of you come up with these things to ask?? These programs, like most combined degree programs, are very selective and go beyond just stats. Asking about the stats of folks who got in is as pointless as asking the stats of people who say got into the Huntsman program at Penn or Harvard UG. Does high stats mean you'll get in? no way in hell. Does low stats mean you're automatically rejected? not really either.

If this program is what you want to do, then go apply for it.

 

[victorria82]

you know, i am getting really tired of those SDNers who post messages that dont answer the question... they simply love to be rude. If this question has nothing to do with you, do everyone a favor and not post anything. Naturally there is a positive correlation between stats and the degree of selectivity in any given program. ALSO anyone considering such a program has had some level of research experience, publications, etc. So by deduction, Sherlock, stats and possibly [but rarely] some life-changing, eye catching AADSAS essay will be your only edge to make the cut. SO this is not an irrelevant, trivial question.

 

[nothen2do]

What a lame question. Where do some of you come up with these things to ask?? These programs, like most combined degree programs, are very selective and go beyond just stats. Asking about the stats of folks who got in is as pointless as asking the stats of people who say got into the Huntsman program at Penn or Harvard UG. Does high stats mean you'll get in? no way in hell. Does low stats mean you're automatically rejected? not really either.

If this program is what you want to do, then go apply for it.

wow, pretty harsh response. Some would say you need a chill pill and to "chillax"

 

[mvs04]

So by deduction, Sherlock, stats and possibly [but rarely] some life-changing, eye catching AADSAS essay will be your only edge ....

Ok *****, let's think about this. Programs have minimum cut-offs, but those are usually quite low, and if you're near that cut-off and have a shot of getting in, it's because you've got some other kind of amazing "hook". Other than that, what's the point of figuring out stats?? Someone with a 3.7 is just as likely to get in as someone with a 3.8, esp. since grades vary greatly school to school. Now these programs are competitive, so if 500 applicants all apply and they all have 3.7+ GPA and 20+ DATs, how does stats matter at all?? So now, since you want to do such a program, and I'm going to assume that it's not just some passing fancy, then you would KNOW that these program are highly competitive and good stats alone aren't anywhere nearly enough to get someone in, so then you'd either make sure:

1) You have high enough stats to eke out a spot with the other high stat ****** through the various other aspects of the aplication or

2) You have some other amazing "hook" to get you in no matter what kind of stats you have.

So tell me, what is the point of your question? If the avg. stats of the applicants in the DDS/PHD program is say 3.8 and 22 DAT, are you going to go, oh great! i have those stats, I might as well as sign an apartment lease near the campus cause I'm in! And if you don't, are you going to go, oh shucks, I better give up, I'm not getting in.

You're going to apply if you're going to apply.

 

[EyeAmCommi]

Shouldn't msv40 get banned? Anyway, can anyone tell me which other schools have combined programs like this and are there specific stats for this sort of thing? Med school has stats for MD/PhD, there must be one for DDS/PhD somewhere... I am also interested in it.

 

[jk5177]

I think UCLA also has a DDS/PhD program, but I don't know their stats. If you know about their stats, can you post and tell us.

MVS: How do you like Amy Knowles voice message? I think it is hilarious

 

[EyeAmCommi]

I contacted the Office of Graduate and Research Affairs @ UCSF and this is the reply that I got.

From me:
Hi William,

I just wanted to know the average GPA, DAT, and GRE scores of students
admitted into the DDS/PhD program since resources about this are
impossible to find.

Sincerely,
EyeAmCommi


From UCSF:
Hello EyeAmCommi,

We actually don't have record of the average of our students, up to date
we've had only 5-6 that I'm aware of and they are stemmed out of the
accepted class of UCSF School of Dentistry admits. I can give you a
rough figure:

Usually the GPAs range from 3.00-4.00
DATs 17-29 (all subjects)
GREs between the 70-100 percentile

I apologize that I can't give you a more rounded figure; however as I
mentioned we've never tallied this data...I must say it is a good idea!

Daliah Williams, Student Liaison
Office of Graduate and Research Affairs
(415) 476-1749
[email protected]


The information he gave is not particularly helpful but we know now that there are 5-6 students taken in every year. These numbers can actually be found on their webpage.

http://dentistry.ucsf.edu/admissions/admiss_program3-postgrad-table.html

I have other resources about other DDS/PhD programs. Check out this site.

http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/Funding/Training/DualDegreeProgramsT32.htm

These sites have helped me and I hope they will help you guys.

 

[gundam]

Ha. What a joke.
I thought Vecky is a die hard fan of Columbia, desparate to get off the waitlist.
Woman changes mind fast.
Get a life and please do not spam.

 

[victorria82]

Hey EyeCOmm,
thanks for the info. really helpful. all i could today in regards to the post was just google DDS/PhD programs but that was not too helpful.

AS for Gundam,
I am flattered that u are keeping me in check.

tata
Vix

 

[EyeAmCommi]

Hey EyeCOmm,
thanks for the info. really helpful. all i could today in regards to the post was just google DDS/PhD programs but that was not too helpful.

AS for Gundam,
I am flattered that u are keeping me in check.

tata
Vix

No problem. I'm just surprised by the kind of backlash comments we get on SDN; some people are just really unproductive. But you were right, all you had to do was Google cause that was what I did, maybe I was just lucky .

 

[Profchaos]

Hey EyeCOmm,
thanks for the info. really helpful. all i could today in regards to the post was just google DDS/PhD programs but that was not too helpful.

AS for Gundam,
I am flattered that u are keeping me in check.

tata
Vix

Gundam must be a very lonely man. If you know what I mean

In my opinion, I think it should be more reasonable for UCSF to accept students with lower than average stats into their PHD/DDS combined program. It's just because not too many people have the dedication to be a doctor of doctor. My opinion though.

 

[J2AZ]

I would shoot for acceptance to any dental school that offers the combined DDS/PhD program. Once in as a dental student you can easily add the PhD. During my interview at UCSF they asked if I was interested and I had not even given it a thought. There is a shortage of dental educators and most programs would love it if you decided to go the DDS/PhD route. I do not think the stats would differ much from those of accepted dental students. If they do they def will not be higher b/c expressed interest in the dual program is a + on your app.

I know a guy who was doing a PhD at a medical school. He was not a medical student just a PhD student. However, around year two they asked if he wanted to do the 2nd two years of med school and earn the MD as well. I guess the message here is once the school knows who you are they are more app to let you into their programs.

 

[EyeAmCommi]

Gundam must be a very lonely man. If you know what I mean

In my opinion, I think it should be more reasonable for UCSF to accept students with lower than average stats into their PHD/DDS combined program. It's just because not too many people have the dedication to be a doctor of doctor. My opinion though.

I was thinking that myself, but schools like UCLA has only two seats open for their DDS/PhD program. It would seem like a privilege to have that dual degree ya know? Plus, MSTPs (medical scientist training programs) have higher GPAs than primary care med students so I think this correlation can be applied to dental school. Personally, I would rather open a clinic and service patients, which is I assume how you feel also Profchaos, but I guess I'm also flirting with the idea of doing research full-time.

 

[EyeAmCommi]

I would shoot for acceptance to any dental school that offers the combined DDS/PhD program. Once in as a dental student you can easily add the PhD. During my interview at UCSF they asked if I was interested and I had not even given it a thought. There is a shortage of dental educators and most programs would love it if you decided to go the DDS/PhD route. I do not think the stats would differ much from those of accepted dental students. If they do they def will not be higher b/c expressed interest in the dual program is a + on your app.

I know a guy who was doing a PhD at a medical school. He was not a medical student just a PhD student. However, around year two they asked if he wanted to do the 2nd two years of med school and earn the MD as well. I guess the message here is once the school knows who you are they are more app to let you into their programs.

Wow, your friend got a sweet deal. I hope anyone is eligible for the dual degree program because from the UCSF and UCLA websites, it seems like they want you to apply for your PhD while you apply for dental school.

 

[Profchaos]

I was thinking that myself, but schools like UCLA has only two seats open for their DDS/PhD program. It would seem like a privilege to have that dual degree ya know? Plus, MSTPs (medical scientist training programs) have higher GPAs than primary care med students so I think this correlation can be applied to dental school. Personally, I would rather open a clinic and service patients, which is I assume how you feel also Profchaos, but I guess I'm also flirting with the idea of doing research full-time.

True EyeAmCommi. It would seem like a huge privillege to be the ultimate doctor, and have the access to the frontier of dental research. I wouldn't mind having the three fancy letters after my already fancy DDS MPH MBA title.
Just imagine that,
Good morning, Dr. Profchaos BS MS DDS MPH MBA PHD...

 

[gryffindor]

Univ. at Buffalo has a DDS/PhD program. I don't know average stats, but my best observation was that if you are competitive enough to get into the dental school, you'll be fine for the DDS/PhD as long as you show genuine interest.
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[onetoothleft]

If you are interested in the program I would say go for it! From everything I read, it doesn't seem like they are all that selective once you get into school. Most students who are qualified to be accepted into DDS are able to handle the admissions for PhD. I do know that most schools do not require you to make your choice now--usually they pull you aside in some sort of orientation where they explain the different combined degree programs and how to apply during your first year. I think that they are much more interested in your motivation than your stats.

There seems to be somewhat of a lack of popularity with certain programs such as this (causing admissions to be not as competitive as one would think) due to the fact that researchers and teachers (compared to just a G dentist or specialist) don't have as much monetary return on the investment.