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For someone who's a bit out of town, what towns/cities are there near Newark where I can look on Craig's List to find an Apt? South Orange I think is one, but I can't find an electronis map detailed enough to help me out. If no one esle knows, I can go down to Barnes and Noble and see if they have a county map or something. Any suggestions?
 
My parents live in Nutley, which is about a 15-20 minute commute to NJMS... my mom does it every morning. Nutley borders Belleville, which borders Nutley... Some towns right nearby me are Belleville, Bloomfield, Montclair, ... But again, teh commute will be around 15 - 20 minutes... If youre going to be driving at all, might as well live in a nicer town than south orange... west orange is right down 280 from UMDNJ and is very nice if you can find a cheap apt.
 
Got my award letter today from Financial Aid. Lees than I'd hoped for, but I guess it'll be good enough. Anyone know how much the tuition/fees are going to be for the 1st year? The letter was another reality check for the start of school...scary but exciting at the same time! Time to really start budgeting!😳
 
Got my award letter today from Financial Aid. Lees than I'd hoped for, but I guess it'll be good enough. Anyone know how much the tuition/fees are going to be for the 1st year? The letter was another reality check for the start of school...scary but exciting at the same time! Time to really start budgeting!😳

hey menaniac, how long ago did you file your fafsa and finish all the paperwork? im just trying to get an idea of how long a wait i should be expecting given that i wasnt exactly superquick with my paperwork 🙄
 
anyone submit their njms housing application yet?
 
hey menaniac, how long ago did you file your fafsa and finish all the paperwork? im just trying to get an idea of how long a wait i should be expecting given that i wasnt exactly superquick with my paperwork 🙄

I think I got everything in 2 or 3 weeks ago. I filed the school stuff about 2 weeks after completing my FASFA, then I had to FAX up some supporting documentation (I have complicated financial circumstances). They were surprisingly quick about it, I must say! The people in the FA office were extra nice when I needed questions answered too. Very unlike my undergrad experience!😀
 
Got my award letter today from Financial Aid. Lees than I'd hoped for, but I guess it'll be good enough. Anyone know how much the tuition/fees are going to be for the 1st year? The letter was another reality check for the start of school...scary but exciting at the same time! Time to really start budgeting!😳

Do you mean you got a scholarship? Or did you get loans? The US News quoted Tuition as about 22K(instate), 32K(outstate) and room&board etc. was about 12K.
4 more months until Med school starts....
 
Do you mean you got a scholarship? Or did you get loans? The US News quoted Tuition as about 22K(instate), 32K(outstate) and room&board etc. was about 12K.
4 more months until Med school starts....

No scholarships....just loans. I looked at the COA for last year, and the tuituion was stated at about $24K, fees and stuff about $3K. Doesn't leave much to live on, that's for sure! 😱
 
I think I got everything in 2 or 3 weeks ago. I filed the school stuff about 2 weeks after completing my FASFA, then I had to FAX up some supporting documentation (I have complicated financial circumstances). They were surprisingly quick about it, I must say! The people in the FA office were extra nice when I needed questions answered too. Very unlike my undergrad experience!😀

thats good to hear. hahah my ugrad was less that helpful as well, so this comes as good news.
 
No scholarships....just loans. I looked at the COA for last year, and the tuituion was stated at about $24K, fees and stuff about $3K. Doesn't leave much to live on, that's for sure! 😱

Time to buy stocks in Ramen because we'll be living off those noodles for the next 4 years - hello hypertension!
 
OK everyone...now that I pretty much know how much I can budget for housing for next year its becoming very obvious that I need to find a roomate to share expenses. I've been on Craig's list, and am seeing lots of good places for reasonable prices (< $1400) both near the University and in nearby communities.

I have everything one could need for a completely furnished 2 bedroom apt., including furniture, cooking stuff, TV, DVD, even curtains and decorative stuff. This could be a really good opportunity for a fellow student to have a completely turn-key solution like the dorm, but save some money over what the dorm is charging. All you'd need to provide is your own bed and desk.

I'm fairly quiet, neat, but not Monk-ish, and am a great cook (its one of the things I like to do to relax...so my hobby could be to your benefit!).

If interested, PM or post, and we can talk. I'm planning on going to the housing day on June 1st, but would like to start looking even before then if possible so I won't have to scramble at the last minute.

If anyone knows of any upperclassmen that want to move out of the dorm, please pass the info to them. Thanks! :hardy:
 
Just bumpin the thread. All New Jerseyans ok after this damn storm?
 
Just bumpin the thread. All New Jerseyans ok after this damn storm?

Holy schnikies! I'm totally stuck at home! Every road out of town is flooded, so I guess no work for me today. I thought this mess was supposed to be outta here on Sunday. At least I'm somewhere warm and dry...😀
 
These are some of the concerns which were addressed today. As of right now we will no longer be receiving free internet or cable and will have to pay for it next year. No gym, no stores, no rent rate reduction, no solution to the mice problem, no solution to the heating problems (prices as high as 400 and avg of around 200 even when the apt doesn't get above 67 degrees) and the list goes on. I urge to you send emails and call people if you have concerns about this.


Date: April 11, 2007
From: Students Currently Residing at 180 West Market
To: Dean Robert Johnson M.D.
Cc: Dean I. Thomas Cohen, M.D.; Dean George Heinrich, M.D.; Mercedes Lettman; Walter Douglas; Dean Nicholas Ingoglia, Ph.D.; Celia Abalos, Esq;
Subject: 180 West Market Housing Complaint, Petition and Request for Intervention

Complaint and Petition

We the undersigned (the "Petitioners"), as students at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey ("UMDNJ") and as residents of 180 West Market Street graduate student and resident housing located at 180 West Market Street, Newark, NJ 07101 ("180 West Market"), appeal to the UMDNJ administration to address the horrid state of affairs at the 180 West Market.

The Petitioners have been misled by the UMDNJ Housing Department ("UMDNJ Housing") and mistreated by 180 West Market Building Management ("Building Management"). Upon opening of 180 West Market in August of 2006, UMDNJ Housing has failed to fulfill on their many promises and have continuously mismanaged the premises and as a result has negatively affected the living and learning environment.

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The Petitioners now urge that the UMNDJ administration expeditiously and completely address the issues stipulated hereto. The following outlines the complaints voiced by students from the Medical, Dental, Physical Therapy, Nursing and Graduate programs at UMDNJ currently residing at 180 West Market ("180 West Market Residents"):

1. Unconscionably High Rental Payments and Incomplete Construction
2. Poor Insulation and Heating
3. Rodent Infestation on 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th Floors
4. Leaking Roofs and Water Damage
5. Discrimination Against Married Students and Students with Children
6. Illegal Discontinuation of Electricity
7. Lack of Hot Water
8. Theft of Property by Building Management Staff
9. Safety Issues
10. Building Mismanagement and Unfulfilled Promises

1. Unconscionably High Rental Payments and Incomplete Construction

The Petitioners claim that the rental fees at 180 West Market are unjustifiably high. The median rent in Newark, NJ is $492.00. The Petitioners pay between $830 (for 1 bedroom in a 3 bedroom 900 square foot apartment) to $975 (for a 400 square foot studio). The Petitioners are paying double the Newark median rent to live in university provided housing. The purpose of university provided housing should be to subsidize student living expenses, not to profit off of its students. These rates are not only outrageous, but since most rooms have different layouts and square footage there is a disparity in the amount of rent each 180 West Market Resident pays.

Additionally, the Petitioners are paying an extremely high monthly rent under the assumption that work on the building would be completed shortly after moving in. Instead, it has now been 7 months and there is still no 6th floor terrace, no gym and no convenience store as promised. Petitioners continue to pay a hefty premium based on promises made by UMDNJ Housing and it is clear that there has been no good faith effort to address these broken promises.

Most importantly, the Petitioners have been disenfranchised by UMDNJ Housing based on the fact that the area around UMDNJ has a high incidence of violent crime. UMDNJ is able to charge an extremely high rent because the Petitioners are a captive market. The Petitioners are being forced to pay a hefty premium to live in an incomplete and mismanaged building in order live under the protection of UMNDJ security.

2. Poor Insulation and Heating

The Petitioners claim that insulation and heating system in 180 West Market is unacceptable and does not satisfy the requirements of Title 18:3-1.15 of the City of Newark General Ordinance (the "CNGO"):

No dwelling unit shall be rented or occupied unless the flue or flue stacks and the heating fixtures or apparatus&#8230; are of sufficient capacity safely and adequately to heat all the habitable rooms, bathrooms and water-closet compartments to a temperature of at least sixty-eight (68&#176😉 degrees Fahrenheit while the external temperature is ten (10&#176😉 degrees Fahrenheit [emphasis added].

The Petitioners are unable to increase the temperature above 65-67 degrees Fahrenheit when the outside temperature is 32 degrees Fahrenheit or lower. Petitioners believe this is the result of poor insulation and low quality heaters and is evidenced by the extremely high monthly electricity bills. Anecdotal evidence suggests that a 735 square foot apartment received an electric bill for $236. The aforementioned is simply one example of several similar experiences which can be attested to.

It is unclear to the Petitioners whether the City of Newark General Ordinance for Housing applies to UMDNJ since it is most likely exempt as a state educational institution. However, even if UMDNJ is not required to follow Title 18, as a matter of institutional responsibility to its students, UMDNJ should at a minimum follow the general housing requirements required of all building owners/operators.

3. Rodent Infestation on 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th Floors

The Petitioners claim that 180 West Market does not satisfy the requirements of Title 18:3-1.7 of the CNGO regarding the elimination of insects, vermin and rodents: "All premises shall be kept free from infestation and sources of infestation and, when discovered, the same shall be exterminated forthwith." In particular, floors 6, 7, 8, and 9 have incidence of mice in rooms and in common areas.

The most shocking part of this debacle is that Building Management and UMDNJ Housing have not taken steps to fix this relatively simple problem. Building Management has made half-hearted attempts to place a handful of mouse traps in rooms of the affected floors, but obviously this has done nothing to fix the problem.

4. Leaking Roof and Water Damage

The Petitioners have experienced repeated problems with leaking roofs after relatively short intervals of precipitation. Petitioners contend that 180 West Market does not satisfy the requirements of Title 18:3-1.5 of the CNGO:

All roofs, gutters, leaders, drains, side walls, windows, window frames, doors and other parts of a dwelling shall be kept structurally sound and reasonably free from evidences of apparent defects. The ceilings, walls and floors of the interior of the premises, the basement and cellar and all parts thereof shall, wherever possible, be kept dry and free from dampness [emphasis added].

The Petitioners understand that structural problems with the building are not necessarily the fault of Building Management or UMDNJ Housing; however, the slow and haphazard responses to such leaks are inexcusable. There have been instances where it took Building Management 3 weeks to fix a leaking roof on the 10th floor. Petitioner can attest to the fact that to date there remain unresolved claims of leaking roofs which were first reported in August 2006.

5. Discrimination Against Married Students and Students with Children

UMDNJ Housing's current policy is to deny 180 West Market Residents the right to live with their spouse and or children. The Petitioners claim that 180 West Market Residents who are married and or have children have been treated unfairly in contradiction to the requirements of Title 18: 8-1.4 of the CNGO:

It shall be an unlawful practice: (b) For the owner, lessee, sublessee, assignee, or managing agent of, or other person having the right of ownership or possession of or right to sell, rent, lease, assign, or sublease any real property or part or portion thereof, or any agent or employee of any of these: (1) To refuse to sell, rent, lease, assign, or sublease or otherwise deny to or withhold from any person or group of persons any real property or part or portion thereof because of the race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry, age, liability to the armed forces of the United States, sex or marital status of such person or group of persons; [emphasis added].

This pratice is also antithetical to the intent of Title 42 of the US Code: "it shall be unlawful&#8212; (a) To refuse to sell or rent after the making of a bona fide offer, or to refuse to negotiate for the sale or rental of, or otherwise make unavailable or deny, a dwelling to any person because of race, color, religion, sex, familial status, or national origin" (42 USC 3604). The Petitioners urge that UMDNJ discontinue the practice of denying housing to the spouse and or children of 180 West Market Residents.

6. Illegal Discontinuation of Electricity

The Petitioners claim that Building Management has wrongfully and knowingly allowed PSE&G, the local utility service provider, to shut off electricity to occupied rooms in violation of the CNGO. According to Title 18: 3-1.89 of the CNGO,

No owner or operator shall cause any service, facility, equipment or utility, which is required to be supplied by the provisions of this Housing Code, or is required to be supplied by the provisions of any lease or agreement, to be removed from or shut off from, or discontinued for any occupied dwelling unit or rooming unit, except for necessary repairs, alterations or emergencies, or for such other reason as may be permitted pursuant to the provisions of these ordinances or any other statute applicable to such utility, facility or equipment [emphasis added].

When 180 West Market Residents relocate to a different room within 180 West Market, they must also contact PSE&G to change the name on the utility billing. PSE&G gives Building Management and the applicable 180 West Market Resident a deadline as to when these changes must be made. However, Building Management has repeatedly allowed PSE&G to shut off the electricity a few days prior to the deadline.

Anecdotal evidence, which can be attested to, suggests that Building Management has allowed PSE&G to do this out of convenience in violation of the CNGO. Petitioners note that Building Management allowed PSE&G to turn off electricity in several rooms 1 to 2 days earlier simply because PSE&G was already on the premises turning off electricity to other rooms, all the while knowing that students were occupying such rooms. This was done in the middle of 30 degree Fahrenheit weather during exam time.

The Petitioners merely demand that Building Management strictly adhere to the deadlines imposed by PSE&G, inform students prior to turning off electricity and prevent PSE&G from shutting off electricity prior to the deadlines.

7. Lack of Hot Water

The Petitioners claim that hot water is inadequately supplied in violation of the CNGO. Title 18:3-1.28 of the CNGO states that,"Hot water shall be supplied at all times at a temperature of not less than one hundred twenty (120&#176😉 degrees Fahrenheit, between the hours of 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m., in a manner in accordance with law." Hot water is often not available during morning hours prior to class in the manner purported by the CNGO.

8. Theft of Property by Building Management Staff

The Petitioners claim that there have been multiple incidents of theft by staff of Building Management. 180 West Market Residents have had property or cash stolen from their rooms when staff of Building Management entered such rooms to make repairs or perform other maintenance. At this time only anecdotal evidence is available and no definitive claims have been sworn to. Such definitive claims can be made at the inception of any requisite investigation.

9. Safety Issues

The Petitioners urge UMDNJ Administration, in general, and UMDNJ Housing, in particular, to take more serious steps to ensure the safety of 180 West Market Residents and of the student population in general. In the past year there have been at least 2 reported incidents of muggings at gunpoint in the parking facility at 180 West Market and in the adjacent outdoor parking lot.

One of the major incentives of living at 180 West Market is the benefit of 24 hour security guards. While there is a security guard posted in the lobby of 180 West Market, there are no security guards in the parking facilities after hours. In particular, there are no security guards posted at the entrances of the 180 West Market parking facility. This is arguably the most dangerous location and puts students at risk of robbery and possibly worse. The Petitioners urge UMDNJ to consider posting 24 hour security in the 180 West Market parking facility.

10. Building Mismanagement and Unfilled Promises

The Petitioners claim that 180 West Market was not and does not meet the standards described on the housing website at http://www.umdnjhousing.org/. The following lists all additional complaints and unfulfilled promises:

1. Absence of promised gym
2. Absence of promised convenience store
3. Absence of promised 6th floor terrace
4. Mishandling of mail resulting in severely delayed and lost mail and packages
5. Constant elevator malfunctions
6. Inadequate internet service resulting in poor connection speed
7. Fee charged to residents for being locked out of rooms due to misplaced keys without being given due written notice

The Petitioners request that all of the above listed complaints and unfulfilled promises be fully reconciled as soon as practicable.


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Request for Intervention

The Petitioners humbly and urgently request that the UMDNJ administration take immediate and thorough action with regard to the above listed grievances. The Petitioners further request that UMDNJ administration and UMDNJ Housing institute an immediate rental fee reduction of 20% to 25% at 180 West Market to compensate for the aforementioned complaints. The poor housing conditions have affected the living and learning environment of 180 West Market Residents and we, the undersigned as the Petitioners, believe that a rental reduction in the range of 20% to 25% will be the first step to most effectively and expeditiously address these issues.

UMDNJ has an ethical obligation to its students and the Petitioners believe that this ethical duty has been breached by the living conditions at 180 West Market. The Petitioners are willing to fully cooperate with any further investigation as necessary. The Petitioners sincerely thank you for your time and much needed consideration in this regard.

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Wow...is all I can say. I had no clue there were this many damn problems in this building! That is horrendous
 
Wow...is all I can say. I had no clue there were this many damn problems in this building! That is horrendous

I can't believe it either. I'm definitely going to have to call housing regarding these issues, and I guess I might start checking into other livingoptions.
 
That really gives me second thoughts on dorming on campus...
 
That really gives me second thoughts on dorming on campus...

Damn straight...this really throws a huge kink in my thoughts of school. Especially the whole idea of how dangerous it just might be around there. I mean, we all know its not a good area, but to hear it all laid out like this, it makes the management there look horrible, and to be honest, this may be the first time I've felt weird about NJMS in any way. They should provide better facilities if they wants their students to live well, be safe, and excel.
 
Everyone knows that the administration suffers from corruption, nepotism, kick-backs, etc. I'm guessing housing is no exception. The medical school is great; it's just these peripheral services that screw things up!
 
this may be the first time I've felt weird about NJMS in any way....

Wowie-wow-wow. You know, taking advantage of student's trust and good faith is morally reprehensible. Reminds me of the recent stories of student aid officers taking kick-backs from lenders. Or older stories of people taking candy from babies. Shame on them. This is the first time I've felt oogie about the school too.


The fact that there are big problems with the construction isn't that surprising, nor is the gouging of the tennents. This is New Jersey, after all (aren't those things actually necessary in accordance to the state constitution). How sad that the state's own University is perpetuating these stereotypes by making them true. And with them under federal indictment (or under federal financial control to aviod actual indictment), you'd think they'd be a bit more careful. 😡

And remember...I'm still in the market for a roomie! 😀
 
Anecdotal evidence suggests that a 735 square foot apartment received an electric bill for $236.

Just for comparison, my bills up in the heart of Boston, for a 2 bedroom apartment are $919 rent, plus ~$60 for utilities each month
 
Did anyone else get their financial aid award statement? The only aid that was indicated on the sheet was from federal unsubsidized and subsidized loans, which is less than freshman year budget (I'm using last year's costs). Do we have to apply for Grad Plus or private loans ourselves?

I called the financial aid office and they weren't very helpful.
 
This news about the dorms is very disturbing and makes me rethink my housing for next year as well. Does anyone have any info about Society Hill? I have heard good things about it (and no mention of rodent infestation).
 
Did anyone else get their financial aid award statement? The only aid that was indicated on the sheet was from federal unsubsidized and subsidized loans, which is less than freshman year budget (I'm using last year's costs). Do we have to apply for Grad Plus or private loans ourselves?

I called the financial aid office and they weren't very helpful.

What was your EFC from fafsa? If it was zero you should be getting the full budget of about 45grand. I believe I got both stafford and a perkins loans last year. One tid bit about housing is that the budget set aside for living expenses is around 700dollars a month, however the campus dorms cost between 850-1000dollars a month(without utilities which could tack on another 100-200bucks per person)...hmmm
 
I already got my Financial aid award of 32k. Looks like i will need private loans too?

few of you were talking about housing papers that you filled out. I never recieved any housing papers. I got the papers to get a physicial and shots but not housing. Did you DL them on your own or were they mailed?
 
I already got my Financial aid award of 32k. Looks like i will need private loans too?

few of you were talking about housing papers that you filled out. I never recieved any housing papers. I got the papers to get a physicial and shots but not housing. Did you DL them on your own or were they mailed?

The new budget hasnt even been approved for this year yet, im not quite sure how they gave you an award letter yet. It may be an estimate and if that is the case then your EFC must have been a number greater then zero. If this is not the case then you really need to contact financial aid again. As for the housing papers, check out the student housing link on the admissions website. Download the forms and mail with a check to the housing office.
 
Any more news of the housing issue? Would it be in my best interest to rescind my housing application and look outside?
 
Any more news of the housing issue? Would it be in my best interest to rescind my housing application and look outside?

I would not rescind any housing applications yet. As far as I know many students are trying to get things changed but you really need to call/email people other then housing and show your concern and tell them that you will not live here under these conditions. In my opinion, nothing will be changed unless the incoming students are well informed and they dont put up with this nonsense.

Im still mad about not getting a gym, however in a survey which was sent out a few weeks ago I am now under the impression that even if a gym was put on campus the membership would be 60-90 bucks a month. Really expensive...
 
The new budget hasnt even been approved for this year yet, im not quite sure how they gave you an award letter yet. It may be an estimate and if that is the case then your EFC must have been a number greater then zero. If this is not the case then you really need to contact financial aid again. As for the housing papers, check out the student housing link on the admissions website. Download the forms and mail with a check to the housing office.

It says "some awards are contingent on receipt by the University from federal, state and other sources" My EFC was 0. How much should I be receiving?
 
So there is no gym on campus! That sucks! Does anyone know of any apts around the area of the campus which have gyms?
 
If your EFC was zero you should be receiving about 45k per year max. The budget last year was 44 and some change.

There is a really really small gym on campus in the hospital. It has a basketball court and some treadmills. Rutgers gym is close but is like $350 a year for non-rutgers people. My apt complex I live in now " Gaslight Commons" has a small gym (free weights, machines, good cardio) however I go to a gym in da hooood because it has more weights and larger people to work out with.
 
I cant believe the housing situation is so bad! I had actually heard some decent things about the dorms, although everyone agrees that it is far too expensive. Aside from society hill, has anyone heard of other reasonable living arrangements in Newark?
 
I cant believe the housing situation is so bad! I had actually heard some decent things about the dorms, although everyone agrees that it is far too expensive. Aside from society hill, has anyone heard of other reasonable living arrangements in Newark?

I've been using Craig's list, and have seen several places that look OK from the posting. Its still a bit too early to go and look at places, but I'm going to start in May. Some are within walking distance, most a short drive.
 
I emailed the housing people about this petition and this is the reply that I recieved:

Let me take your concerns one by one:

1. There is no rodent infestation in the student apartments. Two months
ago we had approximately 6 students report that they had seen a mouse.
These sightings were investigated immediately. In addition, since the
opening of the building we have had an exterminator in once a week which
is standard operating procedure. There have been no recent reports of
mice. We have never had issues with any other form of insects or
vermin.

2. All heating units reach at least 68 degrees. February was a very
cold month in New Jersey and some students did experience high electric
bills. We are in the process of investigating some that appear to be out
of the ordinary. The utility company, PSEG, has shut off services to 2
rooms both of which were associated with the same student who had not
paid her electric bill for either room for several months. There have
been no other service discontinuations.

3. At no time has there ever been a roof leak in the building. We did
experience some leaks in a limited number of rooms and have abated
almost all of them with more caulking on the outside of the building.

4. Some rooms experienced a shortage of hot water in the early months
after opening. It was discovered that the thermostats were set too low
and maintenance staff made the appropriate adjustments. We also
discovered that in a few tanks there were faulty thermostats, all of
which have been replaced.

5. There are no reported thefts of anything from students in the
building which I confirmed with Public Safety. One student alleged that
$20 was stolen from her room but when asked to file a report, she
declined to do so. There have been no other reports or allegations of
any thefts from students in the building.

6. The building has security 24/7. We have installed a security gate
that was ordered months ago for the parking garage. Since the opening of
the residence, Public Safety has increased their patrols of the parking
garage which had to be left open over night to allow the housing
residents ingress and egress.

I hope that you will decide to come to 180 West Market for the Fall. I
would be pleased to arrange a tour for you so that you can see for
yourself that what we offer to students is a quality building. New
construction has its issues and we have been willing to respond to the
needs of the students.

If you have any questions at all, you can call me at number removed.
I can also ask other students if they would be willing to give you their
experience at the residence - I think you will hear quite a different
story. I look forward to having you join the UMDNJ family in the Fall.

Name Removed
VP-Academic & Clinical Initiatives
 
Does anyone know if NJMS drug tests? I heard some med schools do. No i do not feel like getting into a whole drug debate.

BTW "hoopster" very interesting response you got to the housing issues. I really wonder how most students feel about the current on campus living situation.
 
Does anyone know if NJMS drug tests? I heard some med schools do. No i do not feel like getting into a whole drug debate.

BTW "hoopster" very interesting response you got to the housing issues. I really wonder how most students feel about the current on campus living situation.


As far as I know NJMS does NOT drug test. I have never heard of anyone say anything about this at all.
 
Just so you guys know it was far more than a sighting of mice and far more than six people complained of seeing mice in their apartments. People acutally had dead mice in their kitchens and common areas and frankly you will not get a different account from any of the students who actually live in the building. As far as the leaks are concerned during the nor'easter several people who had complained about leaks in the past and then had them "fixed" had puddles in their apartments after the weekend. You should also know that residents of the building will probably be required to pay for both phone and internet next year which was included in rent this year, and before you ask....no...nobody seems to know what that cost will be or whose should take responsibility for it. If you guys are looking for a university owned apartment complex, visit University Centre in Newark, and let them know that you are upcoming first years at NJMS many students here are currently in negotiation with the company to get better rates for rent and to ensure that we wont actually have to share rooms with anyone. They have great amenities and are a short walking distance from the university. Also if you get tours of the UMDNJ apartments make sure you ask to speak to residents of the building.....Good Luck and please dont let the issues with housing color your opinion of NJMS it is an excellent school, with a caring faculty admin and students.....despite all of the housing problems I assure you none of us regret choosing NJMS
 
Any updates on the housing situation?

I will gladly participate in the petition. Slow, and explicitly (because I am slow and need explicit instruction), please tell me where I should address my complaint, and in what format (email, snail mail, phone). Should I copy the above petition with an attached personal letter?

Thanks for the help guys. I'm really worried about this situation and want to get this resolved if I'm going to need to start looking elsewhere for a living situation.

Tim
 
I really am bummed out about the whole issues with housing... I was truly looking forward to living in a brand new apt building for at least my first year. Although University Center is cheaper and also new, I definitely wouldnt want to make that walk late night. This totally sux!!
 
University center is a good choice if you have a car. If you do not have a car, DO NOT try to walk. I am by no means the smallest medical student around, and i will not walk outside late at night.
 
The petition is a bunch of BS in my opinion. I am living here in the dorms and the claims in the petition sound very exaggerated.

The only concerns that I have are the pricing situation and the issue with mice. Unlike any other on campus housing, this is certainly not subsidized, therefore it sux. There is no gym here either. And I have experienced some mishandling of mail lately as well.

There is an infestation of mice on the 6th, 7th and 8th floors. I was coming back from my histology lab and I saw a mouse running in the hallway here and it scared the crap out of me. Lots of my neighbors have had mice in their apartments as well. However, lately I have not seen any of them, maybe the exterminator took care of that.

All the other claims in the petition sound bogus to me and I am planning to live here next year.
 
The petition is a bunch of BS in my opinion. I am living here in the dorms and the claims in the petition sound very exaggerated.

The only concerns that I have are the pricing situation and the issue with mice. Unlike any other on campus housing, this is certainly not subsidized, therefore it sux. There is no gym here either. And I have experienced some mishandling of mail lately as well.

There is an infestation of mice on the 6th, 7th and 8th floors. I was coming back from my histology lab and I saw a mouse running in the hallway here and it scared the crap out of me. Lots of my neighbors have had mice in their apartments as well. However, lately I have not seen any of them, maybe the exterminator took care of that.

All the other claims in the petition sound bogus to me and I am planning to live here next year.

I'm not sure what to think about this housing situation, especially after this post. It seems strange, though, that a good bunch of medical students would go through the trouble of writing up a lengthy petition (that needed research about housing codes) if the problems were bogus. At the same time, I'm sure not everyone in the apartments is having the same terrible experience. There definitely should NOT be any mice in a new apartment building, but I guess if that's the only major issue, I would probably rather stick with living in this place rather than getting maimed on a "walk" back to University Center.

Sorry to say, but there is no real "walking" to be done in the area around NJMS - which is why, although cheaper, U. Center is a hassle. You either better have a car, or you better be Michael Johnson running the 200.
 
ASDIC's views do represent the views of some of the people living in the dorms. Depending on where you live some people had no idea that any of these things were going on because they did not have any problems. I dont live in the dorms at all, but many of my friends have verified the claims made. I do still believe that the dorms may be a good choice for some, I just wish it was cheaper and they responded better to students concerns and problems.
 
If you guys want another opinion you could always email your tour guides. I know when we gives tours we give out cards with our names and emails on it. It would be a good way to gather the opinions other students.
 
About the walking situation, the area around NJMS is very safe during daytime hours. In fact there is a brand new high school opened next to our building and kids walk around everywhere. However, I wouldnt recommend walking during evening and night hours. I have walked many times between NJIT and UMDNJ during the daytime hours, nothing has happened.

So if you lived at Univ Center, I am sure you can walk to class every morning and come back home before it gets dark.
 
Hey, I live in the dorms. I don't have any of the complaints listed above, besides the price. A few people on my floor have had mice, but I haven't. My guess is that they come in through the parking garage. Shrug, not a big deal. Life goes on. I'm probably going to live here again, it's safe and convenient. (For me at least.)

Besides university center or whatever, Society Hill is also a good option. And as for the car situation, most of you need cars. Some of you will be lucky enough to have preceptorship in Newark, but many people won't. 3rd year you need a car definitely. While walking in the morning from university center might be ok, walking back at 1 am after studying for an exam would not.
 
Hey, I live in the dorms. I don't have any of the complaints listed above, besides the price. A few people on my floor have had mice, but I haven't. My guess is that they come in through the parking garage. Shrug, not a big deal. Life goes on. I'm probably going to live here again, it's safe and convenient. (For me at least.)

Besides university center or whatever, Society Hill is also a good option. And as for the car situation, most of you need cars. Some of you will be lucky enough to have preceptorship in Newark, but many people won't. 3rd year you need a car definitely. While walking in the morning from university center might be ok, walking back at 1 am after studying for an exam would not.

That's good to hear. Yea, the price isn't fantastic by any means, especially if they're thinking of even having everyone pay for cable, internet, etc. now.

I never really thought about needing a car because I figured that living in the apartments would save me from needing to have one. What percentage of students, would you say have a car in the 1st year?
 
That's good to hear. Yea, the price isn't fantastic by any means, especially if they're thinking of even having everyone pay for cable, internet, etc. now.

I never really thought about needing a car because I figured that living in the apartments would save me from needing to have one. What percentage of students, would you say have a car in the 1st year?


At least 75% will need/have/borrow/carpool a car for preceptorship during 1st year. By 2nd/3rd year, 100% will need a car. The hospitals are all over, Hackensack, East Orange, Jersey City, etc.
 
ive said it before but i would recommend NOT living in the dorms unless you have no other options. if you really want to stay in newark, both university centre and society hill are much better options in all regards, except for a 5-10 minute extra walking time to class. plus, if you would have a car it wouldnt be an issue because you could drive if you are going to be traveling back and forth late at night. although i agree that some issues from the petition may be exaggerated, they are for the most part on point. My room was literally FREEZING all winter because the heaters suck, and my electric bill was still $100+/month if i tried to keep the heaters on. Luckily i never had mice, but my printer was ruined due to a leak after a rainstorm. Not to mention the incessant fire drills that seem to occur at the most incovenient times (eg. 1030AM on Saturday!?!) if it is your only option it is bearable, but i feel like there are much better places to live in newark. check out the amenities provided by university centre at univcentre.com :
• 10,500 sq ft of community amenities
• Computer lab with plotter, updated software & high-speed internet
• Flat screen televisions
• Two tanning beds
• Movie theater room
• Social lounge
• Card table
• Billiards table
• Free weights
• 3,600 sq ft fitness center
• Cardio machines
• Laundry facility on site
• On-site laundry facilities on every other floor
• On-site management staff
• 24-hour emergency maintenance
• 30 minute train ride from Manhattan
• One block from Warren St. subway on NJ Light Rail


Unit Amenities
• Private and shared accommodations available
• Fully furnished units
• Individual leases - leased per person
• Cable television included
• Blazing fast high-speed internet included
• Internet connections in every bedroom
• Full kitchen
• Oven range & microwave
• Dishwasher & disposal
• Dining area
• Manhattan skyline views
 
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