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[sayoc]

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hey nate, this may be off the topic, and ans if you know or feel confortable -- what was the reason for dean's dismiss?

 

[gotgame83]

😱 DrBrad, where have you heard this information? To take away a well established school's accreditation seems like a rather drastic step for the administrative mistakes of a few individuals. Does this rumor have a legitimate beginning, or is it just speculation?

DrBrad please tell us where you heard this information.

 

[gotgame83]

hey nate, this may be off the topic, and ans if you know or feel confortable -- what was the reason for dean's dismiss?

Im obviously not Nate and I hope that some current students might be able to get some more information about this however I know the admissions office isnt saying a word if u try calling. My friend tried calling and the second she mentioned Dean Wallace the receptionist said she wasnt able to answer any questions about this situation. She is expecting a phone call from Paula Watkins on monday and if i learn anything new I will keep you all posted.

 

[sayoc]

Im obviously not Nate and I hope that some current students might be able to get some more information about this however I know the admissions office isnt saying a word if u try calling. My friend tried calling and the second she mentioned Dean Wallace the receptionist said she wasnt able to answer any questions about this situation. She is expecting a phone call from Paula Watkins on monday and if i learn anything new I will keep you all posted.

is she a current student or a waitlist? right now I am concern about my chance to get off from the waitlist....

 

[gotgame83]

She was an applicant, Wallace told her to do a few things and only Shambra knew about it so now shes pretty concerned. She already preparing to have to reapply...

 

[sayoc]

She was an applicant, Wallace told her to do a few things and only Shambra knew about it so now shes pretty concerned. She already preparing to have to reapply...

so, did she make it to the waitlist?

 

[gotgame83]

Not rejected, not waitlisted. She was an amazing applicant(much better then me if it wasnt for the mcat) who just had to improve on her mcat. Her file was in Wallaces office. Now shes not sure what to do or where she stands.

 

[wildsimmer]

I have heard that possibly the accreditation of the university may be affected in the long run by the dishonesty and mishandling of the university money. Once a school loses accreditation you cannot take federal loans. So this is very alarming to me.

OMG IS THIS TRUE!?!??!?!

has anyone else heard of this?

 

[nvshelat]

hey nate, this may be off the topic, and ans if you know or feel confortable -- what was the reason for dean's dismiss?

UMDNJ dean accused of ethics abuse
Federal report alleges fired official used position to benefit daughter, friends, himself
Monday, June 05, 2006
BY TED SHERMAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN
Star-Ledger Staff
A high-ranking dean recently fired from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey abused his position to help himself, friends and family in a series of schemes ranging from fraudulent expense vouchers to wielding his influence to get a daughter into medical school, according to a federal report to be released today.

The abuses by Warren Wallace -- senior associate dean for academic and student affairs for UMDNJ's School of Osteopathic Medicine in Stratford -- were described by the federal monitor now overseeing UMDNJ as "unethical at a minimum," according to sources briefed on the conclusions but not authorized to speak publicly.

The report by the monitor, former federal Judge Herbert J. Stern, was submitted to U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie on Friday and has been sent to the governor's office.

Wallace was fired from his $166,234 job by university officials last week, even before the report was completed. His dealings with an influential state senator and revelations of systematic shredding of confidential documents from his office already have led to a separate criminal investigation.

Among the monitor's findings, according to the sources:


Wallace, whose responsibilities include admissions, worked behind the scenes to get his daughter into medical school. The report says that in a highly unusual decision, the university granted her an interview even though she had failed to submit test scores and other information critical to admission.


Records show Wallace interceded to help a friend and neighbor obtain a no-bid contract to provide exclusive cafeteria and catering services for the campus in Stratford worth more than $300,000 over the past three years. The report says Wallace received free meals from the catering service.


Wallace submitted nearly $3,000 in travel expenses through subordinates, who put in for petty cash reimbursements that then were handed over to Wallace. The scheme allowed him to sign off on his own expenses.


Computer files in his office reveal Wallace -- who is also a Gloucester County freeholder and chairman of the Delaware River and Bay Authority -- conducted extensive amounts of outside business while at UMDNJ.

Wallace was former Gov. James E. McGreevey's first DRBA nominee and was tapped to help clean up an agency rocked by a finance scandal that -- like UMDNJ -- led to criminal probes.

Paul Josephson, who was a chief counsel to McGreevey, said Wallace "was appointed with the intention and instruction to be a reformer and to clean up the financial and other problems there."

Several members of the Legislature are now calling for Wallace's removal from the authority.

Efforts to reach Wallace for comment were unsuccessful. A man who answered Wallace's cell phone said he was "not around." His attorney, Carl Poplar, also did not return calls.

Wallace's role at the osteopathic school has been under scrutiny for months. The spotlight focused on him after FBI agents raided his campus office two weeks ago to halt the destruction of internal documents sought by the U.S. Attorney's Office. His computer and other files later were seized.

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney declined comment, as did John Inglesino, a member of the monitor's staff.

The federal investigation has been looking in part at the role played by Sen. Wayne Bryant (D-Camden), a political ally of Wallace and a powerful member of the Legislature who heads the Senate Budget Committee.

The monitor publicly has questioned whether Bryant steered millions of dollars in state funds to the osteopathic school after he was hired there in 2003 as a "program support coordinator." The job did not exist before he was put on the payroll, and Bryant stepped down from the $38,220-a-year position in February.

Wallace, 57, held a position of considerable clout at UMDNJ's southern campus. Holding a faculty appointment as assistant professor in the Department of Family Medicine, he was responsible for admissions and was the school's second highest administrator.

First hired as admissions director of the osteopathic school in late 1989, he was promoted to assistant dean, associate dean and then senior associate dean in February 2005.

In April the dean of the osteopathic school, R. Michael Gallagher, resigned after the monitor accused him in an accounting scheme to boost his annual bonus, along with charging thousands of dollars in dining and entertainment expenses to university accounts.

Among its several findings, the monitor's report highlights Wallace's backstage efforts to get a daughter into the osteopathic school -- despite shortcomings in her application.

According to those who have been briefed on the report, his daughter's application did not include the Medical College Aptitude Test scores every medical student must take, letters of recommendation or her required essays on why she should be accepted. Some members of the admissions committee were upset she was even granted an interview.

But two members of the school's admissions committee, who acknowledged being contacted beforehand by Wallace, gave her the highest possible interview score.

While the report only refers to her as a close family relative, a letter from Wallace to the chairman of the admissions committee, obtained by The Star-Ledger, identifies her as his daughter, Tiffany. He never refers to her in the letter as his daughter, only as "Ms. Wallace."

The daughter is seeking admission this fall. The school has made no decision on her status.

 

[sayoc]

thanks nvshelat

now we can put this behind us and move on. after all this is umdnj waitlist thread.....

UMDNJ dean accused of ethics abuse
Federal report alleges fired official used position to benefit daughter, friends, himself
Monday, June 05, 2006
BY TED SHERMAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN
Star-Ledger Staff
A high-ranking dean recently fired from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey abused his position to help himself, friends and family in a series of schemes ranging from fraudulent expense vouchers to wielding his influence to get a daughter into medical school, according to a federal report to be released today.

The abuses by Warren Wallace -- senior associate dean for academic and student affairs for UMDNJ's School of Osteopathic Medicine in Stratford -- were described by the federal monitor now overseeing UMDNJ as "unethical at a minimum," according to sources briefed on the conclusions but not authorized to speak publicly.

The report by the monitor, former federal Judge Herbert J. Stern, was submitted to U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie on Friday and has been sent to the governor's office.

Wallace was fired from his $166,234 job by university officials last week, even before the report was completed. His dealings with an influential state senator and revelations of systematic shredding of confidential documents from his office already have led to a separate criminal investigation.

Among the monitor's findings, according to the sources:


Wallace, whose responsibilities include admissions, worked behind the scenes to get his daughter into medical school. The report says that in a highly unusual decision, the university granted her an interview even though she had failed to submit test scores and other information critical to admission.


Records show Wallace interceded to help a friend and neighbor obtain a no-bid contract to provide exclusive cafeteria and catering services for the campus in Stratford worth more than $300,000 over the past three years. The report says Wallace received free meals from the catering service.


Wallace submitted nearly $3,000 in travel expenses through subordinates, who put in for petty cash reimbursements that then were handed over to Wallace. The scheme allowed him to sign off on his own expenses.


Computer files in his office reveal Wallace -- who is also a Gloucester County freeholder and chairman of the Delaware River and Bay Authority -- conducted extensive amounts of outside business while at UMDNJ.

Wallace was former Gov. James E. McGreevey's first DRBA nominee and was tapped to help clean up an agency rocked by a finance scandal that -- like UMDNJ -- led to criminal probes.

Paul Josephson, who was a chief counsel to McGreevey, said Wallace "was appointed with the intention and instruction to be a reformer and to clean up the financial and other problems there."

Several members of the Legislature are now calling for Wallace's removal from the authority.

Efforts to reach Wallace for comment were unsuccessful. A man who answered Wallace's cell phone said he was "not around." His attorney, Carl Poplar, also did not return calls.

Wallace's role at the osteopathic school has been under scrutiny for months. The spotlight focused on him after FBI agents raided his campus office two weeks ago to halt the destruction of internal documents sought by the U.S. Attorney's Office. His computer and other files later were seized.

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney declined comment, as did John Inglesino, a member of the monitor's staff.

The federal investigation has been looking in part at the role played by Sen. Wayne Bryant (D-Camden), a political ally of Wallace and a powerful member of the Legislature who heads the Senate Budget Committee.

The monitor publicly has questioned whether Bryant steered millions of dollars in state funds to the osteopathic school after he was hired there in 2003 as a "program support coordinator." The job did not exist before he was put on the payroll, and Bryant stepped down from the $38,220-a-year position in February.

Wallace, 57, held a position of considerable clout at UMDNJ's southern campus. Holding a faculty appointment as assistant professor in the Department of Family Medicine, he was responsible for admissions and was the school's second highest administrator.

First hired as admissions director of the osteopathic school in late 1989, he was promoted to assistant dean, associate dean and then senior associate dean in February 2005.

In April the dean of the osteopathic school, R. Michael Gallagher, resigned after the monitor accused him in an accounting scheme to boost his annual bonus, along with charging thousands of dollars in dining and entertainment expenses to university accounts.

Among its several findings, the monitor's report highlights Wallace's backstage efforts to get a daughter into the osteopathic school -- despite shortcomings in her application.

According to those who have been briefed on the report, his daughter's application did not include the Medical College Aptitude Test scores every medical student must take, letters of recommendation or her required essays on why she should be accepted. Some members of the admissions committee were upset she was even granted an interview.

But two members of the school's admissions committee, who acknowledged being contacted beforehand by Wallace, gave her the highest possible interview score.

While the report only refers to her as a close family relative, a letter from Wallace to the chairman of the admissions committee, obtained by The Star-Ledger, identifies her as his daughter, Tiffany. He never refers to her in the letter as his daughter, only as "Ms. Wallace."

The daughter is seeking admission this fall. The school has made no decision on her status.

 

[HemaOncoDoc]

UMDNJ dean accused of ethics abuse
Federal report alleges fired official used position to benefit daughter, friends, himself
Monday, June 05, 2006
BY TED SHERMAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN
Star-Ledger Staff
A high-ranking dean recently fired from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey abused his position to help himself, friends and family in a series of schemes ranging from fraudulent expense vouchers to wielding his influence to get a daughter into medical school, according to a federal report to be released today.

The abuses by Warren Wallace -- senior associate dean for academic and student affairs for UMDNJ's School of Osteopathic Medicine in Stratford -- were described by the federal monitor now overseeing UMDNJ as "unethical at a minimum," according to sources briefed on the conclusions but not authorized to speak publicly.

The report by the monitor, former federal Judge Herbert J. Stern, was submitted to U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie on Friday and has been sent to the governor's office.

Wallace was fired from his $166,234 job by university officials last week, even before the report was completed. His dealings with an influential state senator and revelations of systematic shredding of confidential documents from his office already have led to a separate criminal investigation.

Among the monitor's findings, according to the sources:


Wallace, whose responsibilities include admissions, worked behind the scenes to get his daughter into medical school. The report says that in a highly unusual decision, the university granted her an interview even though she had failed to submit test scores and other information critical to admission.


Records show Wallace interceded to help a friend and neighbor obtain a no-bid contract to provide exclusive cafeteria and catering services for the campus in Stratford worth more than $300,000 over the past three years. The report says Wallace received free meals from the catering service.


Wallace submitted nearly $3,000 in travel expenses through subordinates, who put in for petty cash reimbursements that then were handed over to Wallace. The scheme allowed him to sign off on his own expenses.


Computer files in his office reveal Wallace -- who is also a Gloucester County freeholder and chairman of the Delaware River and Bay Authority -- conducted extensive amounts of outside business while at UMDNJ.

Wallace was former Gov. James E. McGreevey's first DRBA nominee and was tapped to help clean up an agency rocked by a finance scandal that -- like UMDNJ -- led to criminal probes.

Paul Josephson, who was a chief counsel to McGreevey, said Wallace "was appointed with the intention and instruction to be a reformer and to clean up the financial and other problems there."

Several members of the Legislature are now calling for Wallace's removal from the authority.

Efforts to reach Wallace for comment were unsuccessful. A man who answered Wallace's cell phone said he was "not around." His attorney, Carl Poplar, also did not return calls.

Wallace's role at the osteopathic school has been under scrutiny for months. The spotlight focused on him after FBI agents raided his campus office two weeks ago to halt the destruction of internal documents sought by the U.S. Attorney's Office. His computer and other files later were seized.

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney declined comment, as did John Inglesino, a member of the monitor's staff.

The federal investigation has been looking in part at the role played by Sen. Wayne Bryant (D-Camden), a political ally of Wallace and a powerful member of the Legislature who heads the Senate Budget Committee.

The monitor publicly has questioned whether Bryant steered millions of dollars in state funds to the osteopathic school after he was hired there in 2003 as a "program support coordinator." The job did not exist before he was put on the payroll, and Bryant stepped down from the $38,220-a-year position in February.

Wallace, 57, held a position of considerable clout at UMDNJ's southern campus. Holding a faculty appointment as assistant professor in the Department of Family Medicine, he was responsible for admissions and was the school's second highest administrator.

First hired as admissions director of the osteopathic school in late 1989, he was promoted to assistant dean, associate dean and then senior associate dean in February 2005.

In April the dean of the osteopathic school, R. Michael Gallagher, resigned after the monitor accused him in an accounting scheme to boost his annual bonus, along with charging thousands of dollars in dining and entertainment expenses to university accounts.

Among its several findings, the monitor's report highlights Wallace's backstage efforts to get a daughter into the osteopathic school -- despite shortcomings in her application.

According to those who have been briefed on the report, his daughter's application did not include the Medical College Aptitude Test scores every medical student must take, letters of recommendation or her required essays on why she should be accepted. Some members of the admissions committee were upset she was even granted an interview.

But two members of the school's admissions committee, who acknowledged being contacted beforehand by Wallace, gave her the highest possible interview score.

While the report only refers to her as a close family relative, a letter from Wallace to the chairman of the admissions committee, obtained by The Star-Ledger, identifies her as his daughter, Tiffany. He never refers to her in the letter as his daughter, only as "Ms. Wallace."

The daughter is seeking admission this fall. The school has made no decision on her status.

Even if it isn't true, its still troubling.

 

[sayoc]

thanks everyone for commenting. However i started this thread for umdnj-som waitlisters. dismiss of dean may impact adsom or us, so i don't mind people commenting but if you are just interest in disscusing ethic issue please start another thread and I will post my comment as people post theirs. i do not want this thread to be shutdown b/ drive out of orginal intend...🙂

 

[nvshelat]

thanks everyone for commenting. However i started this thread for umdnj-som waitlisters. dismiss of dean may impact adsom or us, so i don't mind people commenting but if you are just interest in disscusing ethic issue please start another thread and I will post my comment as people post theirs. i do not want this thread to be shutdown b/ drive out of orginal intend...🙂

OK. But it does anger me that she got the highest interview score (and therefore was probably higher on the waitlist than most of us prior to the Feds stepping in). Anyway, I'm done. I think father and daughter's actions speak for themselves.

 

[sayoc]

OK. But it does anger me that she got the highest interview score (and therefore was probably higher on the waitlist than most of us prior to the Feds stepping in). Anyway, I'm done. I think father and daughter's actions speak for themselves.

i hear you nvshelat. if she does get in, she will be flaw upon by all students. anyways, are you still on the waiting list as we speak? if so, have you heard anything from the school?

anyone else?

 

[DrBrad]

DrBrad please tell us where you heard this information.

People working within the university and with the academic programs. It seems that this is not only limited to UMDNJ Newark and Stratford. Apparently, a lot of the health care related programs of study have been having trouble. I do know that Rutgers University Pharmacy program is currently in the possibility of losing accreditation as well. With UMDNJ already under federal control due to all the misconduct, there has been raised concerns about funding and accreditation. The one main thing that the medical profession stresses is Integrity. These recent problems are just the beginning because a lot of people in the university are abusing their positions and stealing. Many of the faculty and staff have raised concerns about the accreditation being at stake. What happens is the university loses accreditation and must undergo the accreditation process over again where they are re-evaluated and have investigations as well. It is during this time federal financial aid (what a lot of students are interested in) cannot be used for a non-accredited program. This will then discontinue stipends, grants, and Federal subsidized and unsubsidized loans for the purpose of education. I hope this helps.

You will notice a lot of students do not want to take the risk of going to a school where accreditation can be lost because most medical schools will not allow you to transfer from a different program until Step 1 is complete. If accreditation was lost before you completed Step 1 of licensing, you would be up "****s creek" so to say. In order to take Step 1, you must be in an accredited program. Step 1 can not be completed even if the coursework you had completed was in an accredited program when you were attending. I hope this helps.

 

[gotgame83]

Thank you very much for that response. I know tomorrow I will be calling UMDNJ and I hope that other people will to. I will start a new thread (dont worry sayoc lol) and let everyone know what they say.

 

[OMMFan]

I'll call as well.

 

[sayoc]

Thank you very much for that response. I know tomorrow I will be calling UMDNJ and I hope that other people will to. I will start a new thread (dont worry sayoc lol) and let everyone know what they say.

thank you gotgame83. i would be very much interested of what you find out.

 

[nvshelat]

i hear you nvshelat. if she does get in, she will be flaw upon by all students. anyways, are you still on the waiting list as we speak? if so, have you heard anything from the school?

anyone else?

She withdrew her application, according to the Star Ledger.

I'm still on the waitlist and haven't heard anything yet.

 

[PlasticMan]

UMDNJ dean accused of ethics abuse
Federal report alleges fired official used position to benefit daughter, friends, himself
Monday, June 05, 2006
BY TED SHERMAN AND JOSH MARGOLIN
Star-Ledger Staff
A high-ranking dean recently fired from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey abused his position to help himself, friends and family in a series of schemes ranging from fraudulent expense vouchers to wielding his influence to get a daughter into medical school, according to a federal report to be released today.

The abuses by Warren Wallace -- senior associate dean for academic and student affairs for UMDNJ's School of Osteopathic Medicine in Stratford -- were described by the federal monitor now overseeing UMDNJ as "unethical at a minimum," according to sources briefed on the conclusions but not authorized to speak publicly.

The report by the monitor, former federal Judge Herbert J. Stern, was submitted to U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie on Friday and has been sent to the governor's office.

Wallace was fired from his $166,234 job by university officials last week, even before the report was completed. His dealings with an influential state senator and revelations of systematic shredding of confidential documents from his office already have led to a separate criminal investigation.

Among the monitor's findings, according to the sources:


Wallace, whose responsibilities include admissions, worked behind the scenes to get his daughter into medical school. The report says that in a highly unusual decision, the university granted her an interview even though she had failed to submit test scores and other information critical to admission.


Records show Wallace interceded to help a friend and neighbor obtain a no-bid contract to provide exclusive cafeteria and catering services for the campus in Stratford worth more than $300,000 over the past three years. The report says Wallace received free meals from the catering service.


Wallace submitted nearly $3,000 in travel expenses through subordinates, who put in for petty cash reimbursements that then were handed over to Wallace. The scheme allowed him to sign off on his own expenses.


Computer files in his office reveal Wallace -- who is also a Gloucester County freeholder and chairman of the Delaware River and Bay Authority -- conducted extensive amounts of outside business while at UMDNJ.

Wallace was former Gov. James E. McGreevey's first DRBA nominee and was tapped to help clean up an agency rocked by a finance scandal that -- like UMDNJ -- led to criminal probes.

Paul Josephson, who was a chief counsel to McGreevey, said Wallace "was appointed with the intention and instruction to be a reformer and to clean up the financial and other problems there."

Several members of the Legislature are now calling for Wallace's removal from the authority.

Efforts to reach Wallace for comment were unsuccessful. A man who answered Wallace's cell phone said he was "not around." His attorney, Carl Poplar, also did not return calls.

Wallace's role at the osteopathic school has been under scrutiny for months. The spotlight focused on him after FBI agents raided his campus office two weeks ago to halt the destruction of internal documents sought by the U.S. Attorney's Office. His computer and other files later were seized.

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney declined comment, as did John Inglesino, a member of the monitor's staff.

The federal investigation has been looking in part at the role played by Sen. Wayne Bryant (D-Camden), a political ally of Wallace and a powerful member of the Legislature who heads the Senate Budget Committee.

The monitor publicly has questioned whether Bryant steered millions of dollars in state funds to the osteopathic school after he was hired there in 2003 as a "program support coordinator." The job did not exist before he was put on the payroll, and Bryant stepped down from the $38,220-a-year position in February.

Wallace, 57, held a position of considerable clout at UMDNJ's southern campus. Holding a faculty appointment as assistant professor in the Department of Family Medicine, he was responsible for admissions and was the school's second highest administrator.

First hired as admissions director of the osteopathic school in late 1989, he was promoted to assistant dean, associate dean and then senior associate dean in February 2005.

In April the dean of the osteopathic school, R. Michael Gallagher, resigned after the monitor accused him in an accounting scheme to boost his annual bonus, along with charging thousands of dollars in dining and entertainment expenses to university accounts.

Among its several findings, the monitor's report highlights Wallace's backstage efforts to get a daughter into the osteopathic school -- despite shortcomings in her application.

According to those who have been briefed on the report, his daughter's application did not include the Medical College Aptitude Test scores every medical student must take, letters of recommendation or her required essays on why she should be accepted. Some members of the admissions committee were upset she was even granted an interview.

But two members of the school's admissions committee, who acknowledged being contacted beforehand by Wallace, gave her the highest possible interview score.

While the report only refers to her as a close family relative, a letter from Wallace to the chairman of the admissions committee, obtained by The Star-Ledger, identifies her as his daughter, Tiffany. He never refers to her in the letter as his daughter, only as "Ms. Wallace."

The daughter is seeking admission this fall. The school has made no decision on her status.

No surprise there

 

[sayoc]

i feel 🙁 just find out this year waitlist is long, extact number i don't know, but i am not in the top range. there is at least 30 or more people ahead of me... looks like my dream going to umdnj is slim 🙁

 

[Lisa3158]

Sayoc,

I am so sorry to hear that! How did you find that out? Did you speak with Paula? They gave you as much detail as telling you there were at least 30 people ahead of you on the list?

 

[sayoc]

Sayoc,

I am so sorry to hear that! How did you find that out? Did you speak with Paula? They gave you as much detail as telling you there were at least 30 people ahead of you on the list?

yes it was paula. she is such a wonderful lady! actually, she did not tell me total number of people were on the waitlist or extact number of my position on the list. i am a non-traditional student and there are some major changes with my life and my family so i just asked where I stands so I can better prepare for it. she was nice enough to let me know that this year the waitlist is very, very long. there is significant number of people rank ahead of me(30 or more,) however there is no way to know how fast the movement is. the conversation was short and stright to the point - about 2min or so. I have already send in LOI and additional LOR. There is nothing i can do except wait. I have done everything I can, now my fate is with adsom....

 

[Nate]

Yeah, this year was a record in number and quality of applications and many people I spoke with on tours and interviews at the school were so impressive in terms of numbers and personality. You can always hope enough people get suckered into withdrawing their application by believing all the ridiculous rumors, like we are going to lose accreditation or whatever other BS the media and people with no clue propagate so you can slip in and get a top notch education here with us. I remember when I was applying that Temple Med was going through accreditation probation and I was hoping enough people would drop their applications because of that so I could slip in there (this was before I had any acceptances and still felt that uncertainty of whether I would get in). Anyway, I wish you all luck and don’t give up on your dream, if not this year apply next year because in the large scheme of things a year is fast and it is never wasted if you continue to live and do the things you love.

 

[sayoc]

Yeah, this year was a record in number and quality of applications and many people I spoke with on tours and interviews at the school were so impressive in terms of numbers and personality. You can always hope enough people get suckered into withdrawing their application by believing all the ridiculous rumors, like we are going to lose accreditation or whatever other BS the media and people with no clue propagate so you can slip in and get a top notch education here with us. I remember when I was applying that Temple Med was going through accreditation probation and I was hoping enough people would drop their applications because of that so I could slip in there (this was before I had any acceptances and still felt that uncertainty of whether I would get in). Anyway, I wish you all luck and don’t give up on your dream, if not this year apply next year because in the large scheme of things a year is fast and it is never wasted if you continue to live and do the things you love.

Thank you Nate. My heart is with UMDNJ. I am just hoping i can get off the waitlist.

 

[the alchemist]

yes it was paula. she is such a wonderful lady! actually, she did not tell me total number of people were on the waitlist or extact number of my position on the list. i am a non-traditional student and there are some major changes with my life and my family so i just asked where I stands so I can better prepare for it. she was nice enough to let me know that this year the waitlist is very, very long. there is significant number of people rank ahead of me(30 or more,) however there is no way to know how fast the movement is. the conversation was short and stright to the point - about 2min or so. I have already send in LOI and additional LOR. There is nothing i can do except wait. I have done everything I can, now my fate is with adsom....

sorry 2 hear this. but who knows, 1 can always hope.

 

[DrBrad]

Thank you Nate. My heart is with UMDNJ. I am just hoping i can get off the waitlist.

If I could give some advice I say to consider going to another school before you put all your hope on waitlist. Remember, you will be a DO no matter which school you go to. What you put into it is what you get.

 

[sayoc]

If I could give some advice I say to consider going to another school before you put all your hope on waitlist. Remember, you will be a DO no matter which school you go to. What you put into it is what you get.

Sure I will.

 

[wildsimmer]

yes it was paula. she is such a wonderful lady! actually, she did not tell me total number of people were on the waitlist or extact number of my position on the list. i am a non-traditional student and there are some major changes with my life and my family so i just asked where I stands so I can better prepare for it. she was nice enough to let me know that this year the waitlist is very, very long. there is significant number of people rank ahead of me(30 or more,) however there is no way to know how fast the movement is. the conversation was short and stright to the point - about 2min or so. I have already send in LOI and additional LOR. There is nothing i can do except wait. I have done everything I can, now my fate is with adsom....

hey sayoc,
I feel ya! And I kind of agree with DrBrad. Looking at other schools is a good idea.
I was wondering, how u got a hold of Paula Watkins. Every time I call they tell me she's busy or isn't taking phone calls. SO I ask them if they can tell me anything about where I might be on the list and they just say they don't have that info.
But it is mid june and Im losing hope....

 

[wildsimmer]

If I could give some advice I say to consider going to another school before you put all your hope on waitlist. Remember, you will be a DO no matter which school you go to. What you put into it is what you get.

DrBrad, are you a current med student? or are you applying like the rest of us?

 

[sayoc]

hey sayoc,
I feel ya! And I kind of agree with DrBrad. Looking at other schools is a good idea.
I was wondering, how u got a hold of Paula Watkins. Every time I call they tell me she's busy or isn't taking phone calls. SO I ask them if they can tell me anything about where I might be on the list and they just say they don't have that info.
But it is mid june and Im losing hope....

Note: she did not give me extact position on the waitlist. she just said there is a significant number of people who is ahead of me. I asked her what is significant? she responded: judging by the volume, it is most like to be above 30+. that is all she said.

she is hard to get a hold of, b/ she is so busy. I did not call her. I did it by email. We email each other few times(since Fed); however, there are time when she will be too busy to respond to any emails. but this time, for what ever the reason, she called me(i am suprised!). I was expecting her to email me instead. They receive many calls b/ resign of dean + waitlist people such like us, so i figure they could use a break from me. i think it also depends on your current situation, i am a non-traditional student and there are some family issue back in china(i may have to be out of the country for few days).

 

[Tones24]

But it is mid june and Im losing hope....

Ahh don't lose hope. I heard from Paula that in the past, people have been yanked from the waitlist as late as the end of July!

anything can happen in the next month-and-a-half...

 

[Gforce007]

hey guys, i know exactly how you feel, and my advice to you is just hang in there. let the admissions office know from time to time that you're still alive and well and interested. our school typically sees a siginficant amount of movement during these summer months up til the white coat ceremony. i can tell you a large number of people in my class were accepted off the waitlist, some even up to a day before the first day, so just hang in there, and don't give up hope. i wish you guys all the best, and i hope i see you here in the fall.

In know a kid accepted two day into class

 

[Gforce007]

hey nate, this may be off the topic, and ans if you know or feel confortable -- what was the reason for dean's dismiss?

if you google "Wallace UMDNJ" you will be presented with a list of articles. Do a search first.

Sorry off topic

 

[wildsimmer]

Has anyone heard anything else recently abt the WL?

 

[nvshelat]

Has anyone heard anything else recently abt the WL?

I got a letter on Saturday stating that they want my updated transcript.

 

[flymusician]

I got a letter on Saturday stating that they want my updated transcript.

So did I. Its a generic letter they sent to anyone who is on the alternate list.

 

[sayoc]

So did I. Its a generic letter they sent to anyone who is on the alternate list.

I got my degree three years ago. send in my final grades... no letter or words from UMDNJ 🙁

 

[sayoc]

never mind, I got one too!

 

[Scorcher31]

I'm sure most of your realize it but the admitted class to UMDNJ-SOM each year is only around 100. Therefore, there is much less room for movement than some of the larger medical schools. I would suspect that their waitlist is shorter, and I have heard Paula Watkins will sometimes give you an idea where you are on the list. Keep hoping, but if you have other acceptances it is probably advisable to start trying to find apartments and settle in. Trust me single apartments, for a good price, that are close to schools tend to go fast. Make sure your Fasfa and loans are all set to go and be careful to get your paperwork in for your other schools. I wish you all the best of luck!!

Chris

 

[flymusician]

I'm sure most of your realize it but the admitted class to UMDNJ-SOM each year is only around 100. Therefore, there is much less room for movement than some of the larger medical schools. I would suspect that their waitlist is shorter, and I have heard Paula Watkins will sometimes give you an idea where you are on the list. Keep hoping, but if you have other acceptances it is probably advisable to start trying to find apartments and settle in. Trust me single apartments, for a good price, that are close to schools tend to go fast. Make sure your Fasfa and loans are all set to go and be careful to get your paperwork in for your other schools. I wish you all the best of luck!!

Chris

Good point.

 

[sayoc]

I'm sure most of your realize it but the admitted class to UMDNJ-SOM each year is only around 100. Therefore, there is much less room for movement than some of the larger medical schools. I would suspect that their waitlist is shorter, and I have heard Paula Watkins will sometimes give you an idea where you are on the list. Keep hoping, but if you have other acceptances it is probably advisable to start trying to find apartments and settle in. Trust me single apartments, for a good price, that are close to schools tend to go fast. Make sure your Fasfa and loans are all set to go and be careful to get your paperwork in for your other schools. I wish you all the best of luck!!

Chris

Yes, we know. We can hope for the best, but looks like only selective few can make it. Now, it is almost the end of June and i have not heard anything from UMDNJ, so I am looking into WesternU. I have already found a place to stay, but if UMDNJ come through I will withdraw from WesternU.

 

[Scorcher31]

Well I do know that a few people are still switching around so there is still a chance. I was just saying to be careful and not blow off other schools 🙂 Sounds like you guys know what your doing though, and in all honesty theres really no bad schools. No matter where your go I'm sure you will get a great education and really enjoy your time there. Best of luck again!!

-Chris

 

[nvshelat]

I was called by Paula today and told I was the next person on the waitlist. However, I withdrew my application. I'll be going to NYCOM in the Fall.

Good luck to those on the waitlist!

EDIT: Since others have asked, I was called at 11:04 am. My reasons for choosing NYCOM over SOM are, respectively:
(1) Rotations
(2) Match list
(3) Class size
(4) Location
(5) Interview feel

 

[KMMD]

..i too recieved the letter asking for updated transcripts and MCAT scores, but I forgot I was even alternate listed by them. I called right away this morning and withdrew from the application process. Hope this helps you guys.

 

[sayoc]

..i too recieved the letter asking for updated transcripts and MCAT scores, but I forgot I was even alternate listed by them. I called right away this morning and withdrew from the application process. Hope this helps you guys.

Thanks guys....

 

[aau22]

Hey guys,

I got in about 2 weeks ago off the alternate list...I am withdrawing today so good luck to whoever is next!! 🙂

 

[sayoc]

Hey guys,

I got in about 2 weeks ago off the alternate list...I am withdrawing today so good luck to whoever is next!! 🙂

Just a question: why are you withdrawing?

 

[flymusician]

This post has been awfully quiet. Doesn't sound like good news... 😀

 

[wildsimmer]

has anyone else heard anything recently?