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i'm a jersey resident and umdnj was my first choice going in, due to close proximity, low tuition, and new facilities. after visiting nyu, i can honestly say that it totally exceeded my expectations. the education seems to be top knotch and everything is being renovated. there are downsides to both schools. i've visited umdnj twice, and i could never look past the troublesome area.. maybe that's just me. there's the whole scandal issue, but i have a feeling people will generally forget about it in a few years if the university gets it's act together. with nyu, it's tuition is through the roof!! beyond living expenses, it's hard to do "new york" things on dental loans. but the area is really nice and i could see myself having a great experience there. i dunno, just looking for some feedback from people. thanks 🙂
 
close your eyes. The first place you picture yourself being in thats the school for you 🙂
 
i'm a jersey resident and umdnj was my first choice going in, due to close proximity, low tuition, and new facilities. after visiting nyu, i can honestly say that it totally exceeded my expectations. the education seems to be top knotch and everything is being renovated. there are downsides to both schools. i've visited umdnj twice, and i could never look past the troublesome area.. maybe that's just me. there's the whole scandal issue, but i have a feeling people will generally forget about it in a few years if the university gets it's act together. with nyu, it's tuition is through the roof!! beyond living expenses, it's hard to do "new york" things on dental loans. but the area is really nice and i could see myself having a great experience there. i dunno, just looking for some feedback from people. thanks 🙂

I am from jerzey too...i was initially in a 7 yr accelerated program with UMDNJ, but later got into UMICH dental. During the application process i didnt even consider NYU. Amongst the dentists that I have spoken to...NYU dental has a horrible rep. My dentist even went to say that he prefers to hire UMDNJ grads over schools like UPENN. (good clinicians) The UMDNJ clinics are pretty new...def hot...I went to undergrad in NEWARK---yeah its pretty damn bad but theres one huge upside...you think about how good your own life is and u get to appreciate life so much more (if u survive) once u leave!

I personally did not mind the tuition jump cuz overall dental school is an investment in time and money. Plus when u graduate you will be making a decent income...yeah obviously its better to not have a huge hill to climb...but whatever

if i were in your shoes...id choose UMDNJ...
 
on another note...dental school is dental school and having choice from which to choose is a HUGE luxury

def. an honor...congrats
 
i say nyu, think about it any where u go eveyone has heard of NYU now if your going to think tuition and expenses pick the nj one but here is the thing, are you really going to commute in newark, are you going to walk around there without your shotgun? keep that in mind. You will get a good clinical experience anywhere u go, and currently iam shadowing 3 dentists (nyu, kansas state, and UPENN) and eveyone of them says bad stuff about the other's school but they all have great skills as dentists so no matter where u go if you want to learn u will make it.
 
i say nyu, think about it any where u go eveyone has heard of NYU now if your going to think tuition and expenses pick the nj one but here is the thing, are you really going to commute in newark, are you going to walk around there without your shotgun? keep that in mind. You will get a good clinical experience anywhere u go, and currently iam shadowing 3 dentists (nyu, kansas state, and UPENN) and eveyone of them says bad stuff about the other's school but they all have great skills as dentists so no matter where u go if you want to learn u will make it.


and thats why you should go to the cheapest school... oh and especially if u plan to live in nj then it shouldnt even be a question since u'll have lots of connections in the area...i dindt even consider umdnj at first cuz of newark, not the best area, but the good thinga bout it is u can find cheap housing nearby and u can drive 10 minutes and be in nj's wealthiest suburban areas which is nice. the new appartments are a 200 foot walk so i wouldnt worry bout gun shots. newark is like most sketchy areas, there are good parts and bad parts and uknow where not to go, plus u get great clinical experience because of the area...
 
umdnj for sure. I work with residents and to my knowledge, a school is def important factor when a hospital considers new resident. They're most likely to choose someone from umdnj over nyu. Of course gpa and recommendation is the biggest factor. THe hospital i work at has pretty solid rep and i don't see any resident from nyu in last 2 yrs.
 
i dont know if money is not an issue id say nyu...but im going to umdnj i got no problems with the area...but being in nyc is a complete different environment and for some ppl its worth it for 4 years...if money isnt an issue id say nyu...i mean at the end of the day u make it all back in this profession so choose teh one u really really wanna go to b/c both will train u sufficiently
 
I would choose nyu. I know what everybody said above. I choose nyu simply because of location. I went to UMDNJ for interview, the location is horrible. I don't want to live in that area for the next 4 yrs and it's that simple. If you're ok with the area then by all means, go there. If you're certain of specializing, then UMDNJ might be a better choice. But you can also specialize in NYU, you just need to be at the very top. I also didn't like the dental students in UMDNJ, but the faculty were very nice.
 
I did a two year masters program at UMDNJ and took dental physiology and dental biochemistry with the actual dental students. My roomate while living there was also a third year dental student at the time. If I had to do it all over again, I would not get my masters there, and probably would not go to dental school there, should I have an option to go elsewhere. We were constantly being hit with corruption charges and now they are cutting back in research and many oter areas just to keep the school on level ground. In order to compensate for the loss of money, the school has been over- matriculating (by around 20-30 students) for the past two years and making it incredibly hard on the D1 and D2 students in an attempt to fail them out before clinic rolls around. Even as a masters student among a class of dental students, there was an incredible amount of comptetition and it seemed everyone was out for themselves. Definitely not an environment I would want to be in for four years!!!!!
 
I did a two year masters program at UMDNJ and took dental physiology and dental biochemistry with the actual dental students. My roomate while living there was also a third year dental student at the time. If I had to do it all over again, I would not get my masters there, and probably would not go to dental school there, should I have an option to go elsewhere. We were constantly being hit with corruption charges and now they are cutting back in research and many oter areas just to keep the school on level ground. In order to compensate for the loss of money, the school has been over- matriculating (by around 20-30 students) for the past two years and making it incredibly hard on the D1 and D2 students in an attempt to fail them out before clinic rolls around. Even as a masters student among a class of dental students, there was an incredible amount of comptetition and it seemed everyone was out for themselves. Definitely not an environment I would want to be in for four years!!!!!

That's pretty sad. UMDNJ (Robert Wood Johnson) has always had a good reputation and name.
 
I did a two year masters program at UMDNJ and took dental physiology and dental biochemistry with the actual dental students. My roomate while living there was also a third year dental student at the time. If I had to do it all over again, I would not get my masters there, and probably would not go to dental school there, should I have an option to go elsewhere. We were constantly being hit with corruption charges and now they are cutting back in research and many oter areas just to keep the school on level ground. In order to compensate for the loss of money, the school has been over- matriculating (by around 20-30 students) for the past two years and making it incredibly hard on the D1 and D2 students in an attempt to fail them out before clinic rolls around. Even as a masters student among a class of dental students, there was an incredible amount of comptetition and it seemed everyone was out for themselves. Definitely not an environment I would want to be in for four years!!!!!


I'm a first-year student at UMDNJ, so I feel I should respond to this. First of all, I don't think you really know what's going on at the school, since some of the things you say are exaggerated and even kinda outrageous. It's true that our class is the largest ever. It's bigger than D2 by about 15 students. But that wasn't done by admissions people on purpose. Our matriculating class has the highest DAT average of any class in our school history. Simply put, although the admissions people accepted the same number of people in our year as the past years, more than expected number of the people decided to attend UMDNJ, hence the increase in the class size. Our class also consistently has the highest test averages for exams in physiology, histology, etc. That's because kids in our class work their butts off and study really hard - we're an exceptionally motivated bunch. The thing about administration trying to purposely fail students off? That's ridiculous. I have a feeling that almost no one is going fail out from our class since everyone works so hard. Also, although not everyone's like this, many of our classmates help each other out by circulating notes, offering group studies, etc. Plus, the administration offers private tutoring with upper class students for those of us really struggling. And, if you do fail a class, there's remediation offered during summer. AND, if you fail several classes, the school has a special curriculum that offers you to finish D1 and D2 curriculum in three years instead of two. To me, it seems like the administration bends backwards to help you get through, if you're a dental student (I dunno about grad students though).
I have to admit, the level of competition tends to be high in our class, but that's not because students are struggling to pass - the competition is because people want to get A's. Btw, all of our class exams aren't curved. Hence your classmate getting an A or F doesn't really affect your grade at all. As long as you put in sufficient work, you'll pass regardless of what your classmates are doing.
Not coming to UMDNJ for not having enough research opportunity is not a very good reason either. For one thing, you'll have more than enough opportunities to get involved in research - everyone in the adminstration will do anything to get you involved. The problem is that most students don't want to spend their precious summer vacation in the lab and do research because any sort of free time in dental school is, well, precious. Also, many students just feel that general dentistry is what they want to do. But if you want to specialize, and do research beforehand, the opportunity is more than plentiful.
 
If the administration is trying to bend over backwards for their students, then why did they end up expelling a good amount of fourth year students a few weeks before graduation, and then make even more students repeat their fourth year again? In addition, I believe UMDNJ is notoriously bad at preparing for the gross anatomy boards. Several of my friends taking the second year boards told me they were ill prepared for several of the sections, most notably, gross anatomy. They were taught only the head and thorax, while the entire body was covered on the boards.

Oh yea, I forgot; I just received an email from the interim president of UMDNJ (I believe we are on our second or third since our old one was caught stealing money from the school), stating how they are trying to restore the reputation of the school after an FBI monitor found a great deal of corruption within the administration, and now, illegal arrangements within the cardiology department. All of this information was dispelled in the New Jersey Star Ledger newspaper over the past several months, so don't just take my word for it.

As a recent graduate of the School of Biomedical Science at UMDNJ all I can say is that I was disappointed in the professionalism in the school, and I truly feel that my graduate degree has far less credibility in the science world due to these unfortunate events.
 
If the administration is trying to bend over backwards for their students, then why did they end up expelling a good amount of fourth year students a few weeks before graduation, and then make even more students repeat their fourth year again? In addition, I believe UMDNJ is notoriously bad at preparing for the gross anatomy boards. Several of my friends taking the second year boards told me they were ill prepared for several of the sections, most notably, gross anatomy. They were taught only the head and thorax, while the entire body was covered on the boards.

Oh yea, I forgot; I just received an email from the interim president of UMDNJ (I believe we are on our second or third since our old one was caught stealing money from the school), stating how they are trying to restore the reputation of the school after an FBI monitor found a great deal of corruption within the administration, and now, illegal arrangements within the cardiology department. All of this information was dispelled in the New Jersey Star Ledger newspaper over the past several months, so don't just take my word for it.

As a recent graduate of the School of Biomedical Science at UMDNJ all I can say is that I was disappointed in the professionalism in the school, and I truly feel that my graduate degree has far less credibility in the science world due to these unfortunate events.


The reason why some fourth year students got expelled (only 3) or forced to repeat 4th year was because they cheated on clinical requirements. It was the students' fault.
Notoriously bad at preparing for the boards for gross anatomy? I know you are mistaken - all parts of the body are covered in the anatomy course - I know this because that's what we complain about. The gross anatomy final exam concentrates on head and neck, but the unit exams cover all of the body.
The whole corruption investigation has to do with medical school administration - how some cardiologists were paid salary without teaching any med school class. I really don't know how this could affect the dental school - if you could provide any scenarios, it would be appreciated.
You're disappointed with your degree because you probably had false assumptions going into the program. Your program was designed such that students who underachieved in undergraduate years could redeem theirselves by taking some of the courses in dental school and do well in them. If you didn't do well in the courses (namely get A's), your degree won't get you very far.
 
If the administration is trying to bend over backwards for their students, then why did they end up expelling a good amount of fourth year students a few weeks before graduation, and then make even more students repeat their fourth year again? In addition, I believe UMDNJ is notoriously bad at preparing for the gross anatomy boards. Several of my friends taking the second year boards told me they were ill prepared for several of the sections, most notably, gross anatomy. They were taught only the head and thorax, while the entire body was covered on the boards.

Oh yea, I forgot; I just received an email from the interim president of UMDNJ (I believe we are on our second or third since our old one was caught stealing money from the school), stating how they are trying to restore the reputation of the school after an FBI monitor found a great deal of corruption within the administration, and now, illegal arrangements within the cardiology department. All of this information was dispelled in the New Jersey Star Ledger newspaper over the past several months, so don't just take my word for it.

As a recent graduate of the School of Biomedical Science at UMDNJ all I can say is that I was disappointed in the professionalism in the school, and I truly feel that my graduate degree has far less credibility in the science world due to these unfortunate events.

really your degree has less credibility? no **** well i have a friend who is doing the one year masters program there and cornell med, upenn med, and columbia med are interviewing him so i guess if you are good you are good and they see credibility. In reality those masters programs are what you make of them and typically stand as feeder programs for the schools own med/dental program. about the horrible reputation ive heard contrary from my interactions with ppl. the real negative about the school is location all the other stuff is nonsense. strong clinical training and about the competition hell yea there will be, that should be expected at all schools this isnt middle school.
 
In the great words of a professor at UMDNJ and contributor to this forum:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIer2010:
Because you would know, right? Telling from your former posts, you're not even in dentistry, so are your comments worth anything in this forum?

996tt:
i teach at umdnj-and have for 25 years-now you think i am not qualified to comment? can you match your obvious great experience to mine? i bet your 4
years at a college has made you an expert, LIer. rather than being aggressive towards me, why not just do some research in the newspapers. what, you don't want to know?

To review this post please go to (quite funny actually, as LIer2010 has no response to this comment what-so-ever):
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=3796187#post3796187




As for the newspaper articles:

http://www.physorg.com/news67064411.html

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00B1FFA3B550C7A8DDDA00894DE404482

And my favorite:

http://chronicle.com/news/article/4...medical-university-is-dental-cheating-scandal
 
In the great words of a professor at UMDNJ and contributor to this forum:

Quote:

Originally Posted by LIer2010:
Because you would know, right? Telling from your former posts, you're not even in dentistry, so are your comments worth anything in this forum?

996tt:
i teach at umdnj-and have for 25 years-now you think i am not qualified to comment? can you match your obvious great experience to mine? i bet your 4
years at a college has made you an expert, LIer. rather than being aggressive towards me, why not just do some research in the newspapers. what, you don't want to know?

To review this post please go to (quite funny actually, as LIer2010 has no response to this comment what-so-ever):
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=3796187#post3796187




As for the newspaper articles:

http://www.physorg.com/news67064411.html

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00B1FFA3B550C7A8DDDA00894DE404482

And my favorite:

http://chronicle.com/news/article/4...medical-university-is-dental-cheating-scandal

ummm ... the guy is not a professor ... he's a hired instructor. Besides, what do you want me to do - report him to the administration so they can fire him for bad-mouthing the institution? 🙄
You really should try to grow up a little bit.

Btw, none of your newpaper clippings contradict any of what I've been saying.
 
hey orthodoxbear. Guess what, I finally got an interview invite for Maryland. But nothing from UMDNJ! It is the only school i havent been invited to and it was one of my top choices. I dont know what happened.
 
forget what other dentists say,
ask your friends parents the following question:
1) Do you know where your dentist went to school? (i bet they say no)
2) Would you be more impressed by a Dentist with a Degree from "NYU" or the "University of medicine and dentistry of New Jersey"? ( I bet they say NYU).

1) When it comes down to it, patients pay the bills, not the other dentists.
2) Some people are very bitter at NYU for misc reasons, but every dentist has gripes about particular schools.

GO WHERE IT SUITS YOU THE BEST. Reputations change instantly.
UMDNJ has had so many scandals this year... but in 4 years no one will remember!

my 2c
 
I woud say NYU is better for both research and clinical training (look at NIH rankings of research fundings NYU is fifth) where UMDNJ is only good at clinical training (when I was there no one ever mentioned the word research or specializing). So if you want to become a general dentist it's a tie but if u want to keep your options open choose NYU. Also, don't disregard the neighborhood. I was almost mugged right after my interview if my taxi hadn't come on time. These two guys were eyeing me all the time and would approach me very suspiciously.

Hopefully see you at NYU
 
definitely NYU without a doubt. NYU is headed in a very postive direction and will be a very good school in a few years.

I interviewed at both schools and definitely got that positive, warm, fuzzy feeling from NYU. The students seemed down to earth, very friendly as well as the faculty and staff. I won't mention the other good stuff that other people already wrote about.

As for UMDNJ, I did not get that feeling. The faculty seemed unprofessional as well as the students. In addition, the school seemed very clicky, snobbish and just plain rude. I would never want to associate myself with that school if I could help it... and thankfully I did get into another school. I also know many students and graduates that wish they never attended UMDNJ. Four years is a long time to be unhappy. That is just my opinion.


As for the money, everyone complains about it and it is a big difference in price, but the way I see it, is you want to become a dentist bc you are passionate about it. Everyone knows money does not make one happy and you will be able to pay off the debt at NYU working as a dentist. It just may take a little longer. Personally, I do not think you can put a price on the experience you will get living in NYC.
 
thank you all for your input and opinions! i've finally sent my first deposit check in, choosing umdnj. it was a tough decision, but i think i made the right one in the end. i like its small class size... being a tad bit shy, i've always found it hard to make new friends in an auditorium-like setting. i guess i'm anti-claustrophobic, i am more comfortable in small spaces. the dentist i shadowed went to umdnj as well, and he is very talented and compassionate. the professors i've met seemed really nice and helpful... they were easy to talk to, and willing to answer any question you had. the last factor that went into my decision was the price. starting a family, paying morgage, opening your own practice... that all adds to dental school debt. i'd rather have less financial hassle over the years.

either way, i think both schools do a great job at preparing you to face the challenges of dentistry. wish you all the best for the new year and for dental school.
 
I dont know much about jersey...but i really liked NYU. They do offer awesome research and clinical opportunities. Yes the class size is big, but you have a big patient pool b/c, well, its New York City. Also, they train in in a lot of cosmetic aspects of dentistry...veneers, invisalign, etc. Things that, unless i'm wrong, you dont see anywhere else. In fact, they guy who invented veneers actually teaches at NYU. So having the fact to be trained in all that cosmetic stuff is awesome b/c that's a HUGE aspect of the profession these days..everyone wants that hollywood smile😀
 
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