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does anyone anywhere ever get in with say a 3.0 and 30-35 mcat? or does it NEVER happen?

just wondering if anyone could speak from experience... i'm gonna try but I'm not anticipating acceptance at all...but i can at least say that i wasted some money... I didn't know I wanted to be a physician until my junior year and now I want it more than anything...too bad I overinvolved myself in ECs.. I guess mom was right

thanks ya'll!
 
Well.

If you can stand to take a year off, do it, and do something good with it. Volunteer at a hospice a couple times a week, and get a full-time job either in a hospital doing patient care (phlebotomy, ED assistant/tech, etc) or do something in a research lab (research assistant, lab tech, etc, etc).

With borderline stats, your application experience is going to have to be all about you PROVING how much you want this. Adcoms want to see that you've made an effort to be around sick/dying people and been okay with it; they want to see that you want to serve others, they want to see you've considered this decision through and through; they want to hear explanations about why your GPA is lower than average, and they want to know that you have the personal maturity, integrity, and confidence to be a good physician.

Put together a GOOD application, well rounded, and write a great personal statement that explains who you really are and why you deserve a seat in the class. If your ECs are good, then you probably stand a good chance this year (especially if your MCAT turns out to be 33+) at some of the mid/lower tier allopathic schools or schools in your state or local consortium.

It's really not a bad thing to take a year off--it will force you to grow a little, and it'll show the adcoms that YOU really want medicine as a career, not just as a "natural progression of school" or something crappy ("well, my parents want me to be a doctor or a lawyer or something impressive...").

Given that you're right out of college, I would take the year off and reapply. You won't "lose" anything from that; in fact, you might gain a lot.

To the adcoms, the year off proves your determination to succeed," which is essentially the same concept as GPA (drive/motivation). The MCAT speaks to your critical thinking skills and basic mastery of premed material (your "smarts"). They have a tough time using GPA for the "smarts" scale, because nothing is standardized. So a lot of schools use GPA to weigh in on the "drive/motivation" scale and MCAT for "smarts." If you have a low MCAT, you have to prove your smarts other places; if you have a low GPA, you have to prove your drive/motivation other places. It's like a big balancing act, in my opinion.

The bottom line: you can make up for a low GPA with a great year off if you have good MCATS. If you get into ONE school, and it's a school you HATE (for whatever reason), just reapply. It's the next four years of YOUR life; no one else's. Don't settle for something sub-par just because your GPA wasn't stellar. Take the year, let them see your determination, and then go for it again.

Just my two cents! Good luck to you.
 
ugh. I'm so bored I have nothing better to do than write 6 page responses like that to total strangers. What have I become...?
 
school reputation definitely plays a factor, but a 4.0 from Rutgers sure as hell beats the crap out of a 3.7 from Columbia. the MCAT is the great equalizer. although i'm not sure if even a 39 will be able to overcome a 3.0 GPA, unless you've got some other great aspects of your application.
 
3.1 undergrad GPA (2.7 science), 38 MCAT.

BUT...

3.8 graduate GPA (18 credit hours, all biomedical/science, no degree)
3 years clinical research experience with increasing responsibility
Completed undergrad in 3 years, and so took max course load every semester
Most bad undergrad grades were concentrated in 2nd year-1st and 3rd were much better

So sure it can happen... but you're going to NEED to 1. Prove you are capable of doing the work (by having recent excellent grades) 2. Prove that you've matured enough that you will never goof off again (by taking AT LEAST one year off-two or three might be better)
 
I majored in psych in college and did most of my pre-reqs but eventually decided to take time off so I didn't finish my chemistry requirements. I spent one year as a post-bacc, took orgo and sat for the MCAT. Then I spent a second year working (as a high school teacher) and applying to med school. My cummulative overall GPA was a 3.24 and my science GPA was a 3.16 according to AMCAS. I got a 33 on the MCAT.

I'm starting my M1 at University of IL in a few weeks.

Don't give up if this is your dream. It may take you longer than you had originally planned, but it is never impossible if you stick to it. Do some volunteering, work in a lab, really work on your personal statement and secondary essays--you'll be fine.
 
To be honest, it depends on the person... Your major also factors in a bit. I mean, a 3.0 in Chemistry is better than a 3.5 in basket weaving, in my opinion... They also look at your GPA in the premed courses... Typically, school like to mix it up... I know at the University of Louisville they set up catagories and select so many people for each group. For example, they usually try to selecy X many people from rural, medically underrepresented areas, Y number of minorities and Z many people with exceptional scores and so on... Schools aren't usually trying to fill their classes with simply the top 150 applicants; granted top applicates are favored. If your GPA isn't so good then do better on the MCAT and get some volunteer and leadership (organizational offices) experience... And, if you don't get in your first try, set up an appointment with the admissions office to review your application to see what you can do to make yourself more competitive. Email people in administation and just make yourself known, so that they know you're truly serious. See if your school offers any special admission programs for which you may qualify. In short, communicate with admissions at EVERY opportunity. Make sure they know your name and how serious you are about medical school.... And, if you don't get accepted your first try, keep on applying. Remember, most everyone who applies is qualified and there's only so many available positions... And, chances are, someone will get accepted who has a lower GPA and MCAT than you. Set yourself apart from the pack at every available opportunity.... When I was writing my essay, I made sure to mention that I attended a 12-month music conservatory, that I have a barber's lisence and that I have my B.S and M.S. in Physics; all of which is atypical for a medical school applicant... In closing, keep your head up and keep applying until you're accepted if it's in your heart.
 
You could always apply to DO school along with MD schools. Especially if you do well on the MCAT. I have a good friend who had a 3.3ish GPA and a 19 on the MCAT, but was very motivated and very impressive in the interview and got in to every DO school that he applied to, but he didn't get any MD interviews. I think he applied to about 6 DO schools. DO schools seem to be less interested in numbers and more interested in the person behind the numbers. It's something to think about anyway. Good luck 🙂
 
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