Unfilled Programs

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With the new "all in" policy they have to offer all their spots or none of their spots in the match. I guess they only rank enough to fill some.

If you have unfilled spots after completion of SOAP, you may make offers outside of the match.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

If you have unfilled spots after completion of SOAP, you may make offers outside of the match.

Yep. That's what he and I were inferring.

 

[Laryngophed]

Yep. That's what he and I were inferring.

I was (poorly) attempting to agree with you.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I was (poorly) attempting to agree with you.

Oh gotcha.

 

[nimbus]

Was there chatter about changes or problems at Dartmouth? I'd heard good things in the past.

The problem with Dartmouth is Hanover. You go to BFE to make $$$$, not for residency. I dated a gal who's ex was a Dartmouth resident. She got outta there after 6mos.

 

[Triple AAA]

They intentionally do this and save some slots for outside the match.

Prior to the last 3 years, there was supposedly a > 95% match rate for several years. This was per the 'current' residents who posted in defense of the program, I didn't bother to check the sources on that.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

The problem with Dartmouth is Hanover. You go to BFE to make $$$$, not for residency. I dated a gal who's ex was a Dartmouth resident. She got outta there after 6mos.

I'm pretty sure Hanover was prolly not the sole reason for leaving said Dartmouth resident.

 

[SierraMist14]

dayummm. Even if it is the worst derm spot ever it's still worth it haha

So explain why it's the "worst derm spot ever"? Just curious.

 

[Laryngophed]

So explain why it's the "worst derm spot ever"? Just curious.

He wasn't saying it was, but rather even if it happened to be the worst spot in derm (hypothetically), you'd still be a board eligible dermatologist at the end and privy to the good life.

 

[Direct Laryngoscopy]

So explain why it's the "worst derm spot ever"? Just curious.

Be easy kid. He was making a joke which was funny. Sorta like the last ranked med student from your med school, a physician.

Folks be wound up to tight these days. SMH


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[Lysinee]

So explain why it's the "worst derm spot ever"? Just curious.

 

[Twiggidy]

the person who scrambles into the last open derm spot, laughs all the way to the bank....while enjoying home call for the rest of his/her life

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

the person who scrambles into the last open derm spot, laughs all the way to the bank....while enjoying home call for the rest of his/her life

Do they even take call?? Only the ones in academia I bet lol

 

[anbuitachi]

downstate didn't fill???????????????????????????? thats the best program in brooklyn

 

[IlDestriero]

Well I'm sure all these programs prolly filled in the SOAP.

Of course they did. Some dud derm dreamer or future FP flunkie would love to give gas a go and sell out for some no clinic loot.


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Il Destriero

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Of course they did. Some dud derm dreamer or future FP flunkie would love to give gas a go and sell out for some no clinic loot.


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Il Destriero

So you really think a "dud derm dreamer" would go into anesthesia?
Doubt it. Derm is purely clinic. No call. These folks would rather do a research year than go anesthesia.

I'm not sure what future FP flunkie has anything to do with that.

 

[vector2]

They would all expand, if approved. More cheap monkeys, more profits. As long as a resident is much cheaper than a CRNA...

I've heard through the grapevine at my program that the bean counters would much rather have more CRNAs considering staff can only supervise two rooms with residents. I wonder how true this is considering we have no CRNAs doing cardiac, OB, regional or any of the other hospital call stuff (lines, codes, pain consults, intubations, LPs, pre-ops etc).

 

[deleted171991]

I've heard through the grapevine at my program that the bean counters would much rather have more CRNAs considering staff can only supervise two rooms with residents. I wonder how true this is considering we have no CRNAs doing cardiac, OB, regional or any of the other hospital call stuff (lines, codes, pain consults, intubations, LPs, pre-ops etc).

That's something I forgot. You are right about the bean counters' love for CRNAs. The only thing is that most academics won't take a smaller salary for the same coverage level as in PP.

 

[IlDestriero]

That's something I forgot. You are right about the bean counters' love for CRNAs. The only thing is that most academics won't take a smaller salary for the same coverage level as in PP.

Yes. If I wanted to cover 3 rooms all the time, I'd just go into PP. We are 2:1, 1:1, or solo.


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Il Destriero

 

[repititionition]

Yes. If I wanted to cover 3 rooms all the time, I'd just go into PP. We are 2:1, 1:1, or solo.


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Il Destriero

The more I hear about your job, the more I want to know where it is.

 

[caligas]

I've heard through the grapevine at my program that the bean counters would much rather have more CRNAs considering staff can only supervise two rooms with residents. I wonder how true this is considering we have no CRNAs doing cardiac, OB, regional or any of the other hospital call stuff (lines, codes, pain consults, intubations, LPs, pre-ops etc).

Bean counters like residents too ($110k/year):

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/eco...medicare-subsidizes-doctor-training/?referer=

 

[repititionition]

Bean counters like residents too ($110k/year):

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/eco...medicare-subsidizes-doctor-training/?referer=

of course they do. the point is that financial leverage is greater with CRNAs when supervision ratios are taken into account. sad but true.

 

[Johnisit1234]

This is what I heard:

UAB filled 2/4 in the first round (and filled in round 2)
Emory filled 7/8 in first round (and filled in round 2)
UCLA Harbor filled 1/1 in first round
Dartmouth filled 1/3 in first round (2/3 in round 2 and 3/3 by round 3).

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

How does the SOAP work?
Is it like a leftover draft or a free for all?

 

[IlDestriero]

It used to be a mad dash free for all, now it's like the match all over again. I believe it is 3 cycles. If your left holding your Johnson at the end of the 3rd cycle, all bets are off and it's a free for all for any remaining spots that are now released from the match and can go to anyone.


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Il Destriero

 

[deleted284725]

It used to be a mad dash free for all, now it's like the match all over again. I believe it is 3 cycles. If your left holding your Johnson at the end of the 3rd cycle, all bets are off and it's a free for all for any remaining spots that are now released from the match and can go to anyone.


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Il Destriero

It's 5 rounds of offers now. Although honestly if you don't get something in the first three cycles you're pretty boned. Source: Just SOAPed last week and luckily got into a nice Anesthesia program. A lot of my classmates that was SOAPing were very impressive derm, ortho, EM, etc... applicants. I was going for EM but Anesthesia was a very close second choice for me so I'm pretty happy with my result. Others weren't as lucky and now it is a free for all for them.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Lol - I bet this EM SOAPer got a nicer spot compared to the vast majority that matched from the get-go.

 

[LiAwesomeDoc]

I thought I'd chime in. Didn't join SDN until now. Matched at Duke this year. Here are my thoughts based off of my interviews:
UAB -- didn't fill because they had this attitude of "we are so much better." They're a strong program but definitely not the best in the southeast. Lots of regional. Good amount of moonlighting, but they need to have all catergorical. Not worth my effort to try to find a year elsewhere to spend another 3 years in Birmingham.
Emory -- the interviewers SUCKED! There was this one guy, Dr. Garcia, that made one of my fellow interviewees cry. We talked about it on the shuttle to airport. I know the name because he interviewed me too. Really?! Is that necessary? Also, they have a whole session on research, when in fact, Emory does not have a lot of research. Dr. Jenks and Dr. Garcia (again, yes) talk it up but are quite boring. Also, I asked a lot of questions to my interviewers and no one seemed to know anything about the program. I got two people that told me "I just started here." Dr. Garcia was my other interviewer and was arrogant but at least knew about the program. Shouldn't you have all experienced people there? I was really put off by Emory. Only the two recruitment directors and the administrative staff (don't remember their names) that you meet are great.
UF-- The weaknesses of the program showed. Quite strongly. They don't do much teaching. They residents seemed unhappy. Put off by them as well. They don't seem to care much about the residency program and it really showed during the day. My interviews were fine but you could tell that they were being forced to interview. I can't see many people wanting to go there after having the interview folks seem uninterested.

 

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[Chloroform4Life]

Genuinely curious as to what struck you as "we are so much better" at UAB?

Yeah I'm suprised he said that about UAB and then matched to duke, where the attitude of "we are so much better" is pervasive through undergrad, med school, and IMO their residency program when i interviewed there.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

Yeah I'm suprised he said that about UAB and then matched to duke, where the attitude of "we are so much better" is pervasive through undergrad, med school, and IMO their residency program when i interviewed there.

Well, TBH, Duke is "so much better"