Wow, you're unbelievable... you would choose to go with UBC because their administration is more communicative than U of A? You do realize you rarely talk to admin staff once you're in right? And that the U of A admin staff really are amazing once you're in?
You really think I made a decision about something this important just because of my frustrations with the administrative aspects of the the application process? That is rather presumptuous and hypocritical given that your knowledge of my thought processes is based on what you have read about me in excerpts of public expression of said frustration on a forum intended for individuals who potentially are experiencing a similar situation. You are basically saying that you are allowed to make assumptions about me from your limited observations of my attitudes towards U of A's pharmacy admissions administration over the past two summers, but that I am not entitled to base my opinion about the U of A on my limited experiences with them which have, for the most part, occurred over the exact same two summers that you are judging me for.
I would say 99% of my former peers at the ualberta pharmacy class were not "robots"... just because we don't have interviews doesn't mean that we are socially awkward robots, and frankly, it's offensive to those who are accepted. Also, you do realize that part II of the PEBC are interactive (aka mock patients) right? So It would be really hard to get the best scores by being a robot.
How is it that I have worked in a pharmacy for five and a half years and have never heard about the OSCE?!?!?! (/sarcasm) Of course, I am aware of it. This, in part, is one of the reasons why your assumptions about me in this post are so laughable. In case you haven't noticed, I did get accepted by U of A in my second bout of applications, and yes, I did pick up on the fact that, by my previous reasoning, I also might be considered to fall into the "robot" category. My eyes were opened when I received my acceptance to U of A and I discovered that there were actually many, many good things about the program there. Yes, I wasn't really expecting that I would even have to make a decision due to my rejection last year, but that's why I did my research and came here as *ONE* of my resources in trying to learn more about the pros and cons of each school I was accepted to.
Also, great job on assuming we have a horrible dean based on rumors. Here's something you probably didn't know, the dean we have now is NEW. So basically, you expect a new dean to deal with admissions (which is the responsibility of the admissions staff) as well as impliment the new pharmD program (working with the gov), work on the market modifier and the move to the new faculty all at once? Not to mention that he just came here from the states one academic year ago... so there's familial responsibilities. Also there are talks of adding interviews at ualberta...
You're right, I don't know anything about the Dean. Good thing that the Dean isn't what I based my decision on. And great to hear about the new directions the U of A is pushing towards.
Have you considered that moving to UBC means expensive housing? Moving costs? Flights? The cost of which is much, much, greater than the tuition in edmonton. At the ubc dent open house, they told us tuition was 53k/yr, but living expenses in vancouver would amount to 72k/yr if you're OOP... so good luck experiencing that "vancouver lifestyle" if you're complaining over the 2k hike of ualberta. Also, if you do your research, you'll know the modifier is compensating for the economic crisis of 2008. 10k is normal for pharmacy schools (ie. UT is 12-13k). The pharmacy classes up till the c/o 2014 was grandfathered in with one of the lowest tuition (~6k/year) nation wide for all four years of their tuition.
Again, if you did your research didn't just selectively read the other posts I have made here or in the UBC forum this summer, or had a personal conversation with me about it, for that matter, you would know that I spent a lot of time looking at the programs and the figures. Yes, I know that U of A's program is great and that attending UBC over U of A as an Albertan is going to amount to HUGE difference in money. Obviously I came to terms with the fact that I will be paying a small fortune to live in Vancouver and fly back and forth, etc. I managed to have enough brain cells to rub together to earn one B.Sc. so far, so I don't think it is going too far to defend my intelligence and say that much thought went into this decision and that I am prepared to deal with it financially.
And as I mentioned before, part of my research involved coming to this forum to ask questions which is why I did ASK about the market modifier because I was not educated, at that point, in the matter of tuition considerations.
Additionally, you compared the tuition of UBC pharm to the TOTAL cost of attending Ualberta pharmacy (minus textbooks).
http://www.registrarsoffice.ualbert...sessments-for-Canadian-Students.aspx#pharmacy
https://you.ubc.ca/ubc/vancouver/adding.ezc
The 10k figure you quoted for ualberta included student fees, upass, uplan,etc... while the 8.6k figure you quoted for ubc is only the tuition (student fees excluded). Using UBC's own cost calculator, it would cost you ~20k to attend ubc pharmacy for 8 months (
http://www.students.ubc.ca/youbc/va/costs.cfm?page=) assuming you live on campus in a single room...
I am very familiar with UBC's tuition cost calculator and, again, I am well aware of the expected expenses I will face. Forgive me for not citing all of my references. Like I said, I was inquiring about the modifier because I had heard about the increase in tuition, but didn't know much else about it and I apologize for not going back and editing my assessment of UBC's fees and tuition costs into my posts on the matter...
Other important things you haven't considered includes:
-smaller class sizes at ualberta (130 vs 224 is a big difference)
-better job prospects in ab vs bc as an Rph (vancouver wages are already less than 40/hr... and UBC recently added 75 seats, saturating the market even more)
-better job prospects as a student Rph
-no PBL
-expanded scope of practice in AB
You wanted a (previous) pharm student input right?
Don't get me wrong, I love UBC and am going there for dentistry, but you seem judgmental through your ignorance.
Ah. How presumptuous of you, and once again hypocritical since the whole time you have been chiding me for making assumptions about the U of A admin. I did consider job prospects and class sizes, etc. And guess what? I still plan on practicing in Alberta when this is all over and I did make inquiries with the ACP about the mobility agreement and what considerations I must make if I want to practice in Alberta after my degree is over. I have no intentions of practicing in Vancouver when I am done and am seriously considering practicing in rural ability
I find it interesting that you are so passionate about defending U of A Pharm when you clearly defected to UBC's Dentistry program in light of the issues regarding the changing face of the pharmacy profession these days. I don't judge you though, I too have struggled with the apocalyptic views on the profession. At the end of the day, though, it really comes down to what you want out of your career.
I will admit to being quick to judge the U of A, but that does not mean that the issues I had with them are the sole basis for my decision. I did my best to research their programs and did some serious soul-searching about the matter. I would have been happy to attend either school had only one accepted me, but I could only attend one. A decision had to be made and I will have to stand by that choice, right or wrong. But please give me more credit than you have done so far and not perpetuate this argument any further. We are both in programs we want to be in, let's move on.