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ruwballs

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so anyone else just get an email about their place on the alternate list? again, another tease...i cant take this

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Yep I got it as well about an hour ago.
 

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bottom third.... i guess cincinnati's not meant to be for me = (
 

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Top third. I heard 40-50 people off this year from Dr. Manuel
 

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Top third. I heard 40-50 people off this year from Dr. Manuel

40 to 50 off the alternate list? I hope that will include the middle third. Thanks for the update, you have given me hope.
 

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40 to 50 off the alternate list? I hope that will include the middle third. Thanks for the update, you have given me hope.

Probably not. :(

Just trying to be realistic here. I'm also in the middle third.
 

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top third as well....

I have heard 290 as the number of waitlisted applicants... so im guessing there are around 80-90 per group? hmmmmm
 

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50 off the waitlist?? i really hope thats true. that would made a dent on the top third

did the number 290 also come from Manuel?

None of these numbers make any sense.
 
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This is part of an exact email from him sent beginning of March:

Dear Katie,

Near the end of April all of the students who are alternates are mailed a letter asking if they would like to be placed on the alternate list. Once the deadline for the alternate list response is past the alternate list is then assembled. Students are never told where they are on the alternate list and normally there is little movement on the alternate list until early June. From year to year the number of alternates offered admission varies. Normally by mid-July the majority of offers form the alternate list have been made. This year we anticipate making between 40-50 alternate list offers.
 
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Hope that helps! I agree, being in limbo for this long already has been a stressful process.
 

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290 seems like a lot. Isn't their enrolment around 200? I'm HOPING that the wait list is more like 100.
 

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I'm not sure why it would be 290 people, that is half of the interviewees on waitlist. Doesn't really make much sense...What I heard is that they gave out fewer acceptances to begin with this year and so they were planning on taking more off the waitlist. 290 seems like a lot though.
 

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This is part of an exact email from him sent beginning of March:

Dear Katie,

Near the end of April all of the students who are alternates are mailed a letter asking if they would like to be placed on the alternate list. Once the deadline for the alternate list response is past the alternate list is then assembled. Students are never told where they are on the alternate list and normally there is little movement on the alternate list until early June. From year to year the number of alternates offered admission varies. Normally by mid-July the majority of offers form the alternate list have been made. This year we anticipate making between 40-50 alternate list offers.

Okay, we have definite proof from your letter that 40 -50 are on the alternate list. Now we need real proof that there are 290 on the waitlist - which I think is way to0 big an estimate and even worse, way too cruel if its true!
 

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Okay, we have definite proof from your letter that 40 -50 are on the alternate list. Now we need real proof that there are 290 on the waitlist - which I think is way to0 big an estimate and even worse, way too cruel if its true!

Well, it's a cruel process in general. And the adcom's first duty is to the look after the interests of the school. The purpose of the alternate list is so they know for sure that they will fill their class, not to make the admissions process any more fair or less annoying to the applicants.
 

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I'm not sure why it would be 290 people, that is half of the interviewees on waitlist. Doesn't really make much sense...What I heard is that they gave out fewer acceptances to begin with this year and so they were planning on taking more off the waitlist. 290 seems like a lot though.

Your observation is exactly the process that is occurring at undergraduate institutions - holding acceptances in favor of waitlists. Again, it lacks compassion and it leaves students/spouses/significant others and parents in limbo for way too long. Again, I refer you to today's WSJ article on undergraduate admissions process for the class of 2012!

The mass application system for applying to colleges and post-grauate institutions has become flawed. This is due in part to the internet, the ease of the application process, and word processing (which makes essay writing so much easier than when our parents went through the application process - no way would they apply to 20 colleges and have to type out 20 essays!). What was invented to ease the application process has actually created a system that is more stressfull and more expensive - not to mention the interview process and the increased cost to travel these days.

Limits, deadlines and a more timely acceptance period need to be woven into the system. Today, I don't have the answer, but someone will be smart enough, hopefully sooner rather than later, to improve this system.

And, again, I hope that 290 is an incorrect figure because it truly would stressful to imagine having so many students waiting for an openning.
 

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Well, it's a cruel process in general. And the adcom's first duty is to the look after the interests of the school. The purpose of the alternate list is so they know for sure that they will fill their class, not to make the admissions process any more fair or less annoying to the applicants.

Filling a class has never been a problem for any decent institution. At this point in history, there are more applicants than ever before. This trend is predicted to continue for at least 1 or 2 more years for undergraduate institutions and thus 5 more years for post-grad.
 

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Filling a class has never been a problem for any decent institution. At this point in history, there are more applicants than ever before. This trend is predicted to continue for at least 1 or 2 more years for undergraduate institutions and thus 5 more years for post-grad.

Yeah, it's not a problem because they have a nice big wait list to pull from. :)
 

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i had a meeting with doctor manuel. the letters detailing what third you are in should be sent out early this week, according to him.

from what i remember:
~200 in state on the list...
~90 OOS on the list...


will be making majority of offers before june 15




thats where i got 290....does seem like a lot though... i HOPE its less than that, that would be awesome
 

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Limits, deadlines and a more timely acceptance period need to be woven into the system. Today, I don't have the answer, but someone will be smart enough, hopefully sooner rather than later, to improve this system.

I agree completely. There needs to be more deadlines. I think they should finalize the class early, say around June 15. That gives one month from May 15 to sort out the alternate list. It also gives students who are not accepted a chance to submit another AMCAS application at the end of June.
 

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I received an email today. I'm in the top third of the instate waiting list.
 

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when i met with dr. manuel, he initially told me i was on the top third of the list. my immediate response wasand specifically asked him "how many on the list?"


he first consulted the in state list, which he counted something like 208. then he said this doesnt een include OOS, and he flipped to another list and then gave me the 90 number.


admittedly, this sounded extremely high. the numbers dont make sense, but i wasnt going to question him.


my only thought is maybe he misunderstood my question and pulled up the sheet detailing the offers they made: ~290 thus far would make sense wouldnt it????
 

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he first consulted the in state list, which he counted something like 208. then he said this doesnt een include OOS, and he flipped to another list and then gave me the 90 number.


admittedly, this sounded extremely high. the numbers dont make sense, but i wasnt going to question him.

I still don't think a WL of ~300 is out of the question. Remember that not everyone they call off the list would be willing to go as they might have other situations already set up. The school has to insure themselves against situations where a large # of students get called up by their dream schools in June or July. This isn't such a likely scenario perhaps, but they really can't take any chances with not having enough students. The way the state funding usually works is they get allocated a certain amount of money based on how many students they have. Less students = less money.
 

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AS you can see from My avatar, Im going to Ucincy in the fall and I just wanted to say that I hope you guys get to matriculate at Ucincy as well. You guys are helping each other out with waitlist stuff which I think means that you guys would help with school stuff too and would be excellent classmates!! I hope to see yall in the fall.
 

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I still don't think a WL of ~300 is out of the question. Remember that not everyone they call off the list would be willing to go as they might have other situations already set up. The school has to insure themselves against situations where a large # of students get called up by their dream schools in June or July. This isn't such a likely scenario perhaps, but they really can't take any chances with not having enough students. The way the state funding usually works is they get allocated a certain amount of money based on how many students they have. Less students = less money.

I still think 300 on the waitlist is very high considering that most schools (with low attachment rates) give out approximately double the # of acceptances than they have spots. If say UC gave out ~ 300 acceptances for ~200 seats, plus another 300 on the waitlist. That is about 400 students too many and a total of 600 to communicate with this summer. I doubt UC will have to go through 600 students to fill a class (thats triple their enrolment). They might not be the best school, but they are a good school and probably won't have more than 200 give up their seat. Also considering that last year they did not take any students off the waitlist, I'm willing to bet that the alternate list isn't as large as 300.
 

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I still think 300 on the waitlist is very high considering that most schools (with low attachment rates) give out approximately double the # of acceptances than they have spots. If say UC gave out ~ 300 acceptances for ~200 seats, plus another 300 on the waitlist. That is about 400 students too many and a total of 600 to communicate with this summer. I doubt UC will have to go through 600 students to fill a class (thats triple their enrolment). They might not be the best school, but they are a good school and probably won't have more than 200 give up their seat. Also considering that last year they did not take any students off the waitlist, I'm willing to bet that the alternate list isn't as large as 300.

According to US News, UC gave out 347 acceptances for 161 seats last year. Perhaps the 300 figure is high, but it did come from the admissions dean and we don't have any better information right now. I do know that many people on the wait list won't get called this year and based on my ranking I'm not holding my breath. I'd love to go there, but I'm just trying to be realistic at the moment. :)
 

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Hello everybody....I do think that it is wonderful that people are very open and honest to discuss details about a rather competitive process. I must say that it is very helpful and comforting to see that there are so many others in my position.

I have been placed in the top third of the alternate list. Is there a difference between the waitlist and the alternate list? or are these terms intended to mean the same thing?

I would also have to admit that hearing top thrid was not as exciting as hopeful as I thought it would be if the waitlist/alternate list is as large as everybody suspects it to be. Hopefully the numbers on the waitlist aren't as high as some might think, but then again who knows?
 

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I have been placed in the top third of the alternate list. Is there a difference between the waitlist and the alternate list? or are these terms intended to mean the same thing?
Same thing.

I would also have to admit that hearing top thrid was not as exciting as hopeful as I thought it would be if the waitlist/alternate list is as large as everybody suspects it to be. Hopefully the numbers on the waitlist aren't as high as some might think, but then again who knows?
It's very good. Be happy.
 

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I have been placed in the top third of the alternate list. Is there a difference between the waitlist and the alternate list? or are these terms intended to mean the same thing?
It's been communicated to me via PM that my logic/arithmetic is filled with holes. And while I admit it, it is most certainly not my intention to create unsubstantiated hope. All I want to say is that the numbers don't look horrible and that being in the top 1/3rd -- while it may freak you out because it's nebulous-- shouldn't discourage you from making good decisions and being generally positive about this process. So with that disclaimer in mind, feel free to read what I posted AND do your own arithmetic.

I suspect people are using these terms interchangeably, at least for UC. I also wouldn't get too discouraged. IF the above numbers stand, then...

160 offers go to people after their interview without being added to the waitlist
That leaves ~180 that get off the waitlist (assumption: 340 offers total). If we assume the waitlist is 300 people long, the top third is 100. GRANTED, there are a ton of assumptions here, not least of which is even if there were 340 offers last year, that doesn't mean there are that many or that little this year. Anyways, keep up the faith and I hope to see you guys there in August.
 

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Thank you very much. Your responses do a great job of putting the numbers in perspective!

Hopefully things will turn out well for everybody!
 

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I was just accepted off the alternate list (OOS, middle third). It was my first acceptance :)
 

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I was just accepted off the alternate list (OOS, middle third). It was my first acceptance :)

congrats koopa.
seems like OOS peeps are getting lots of love from the waitlist!
i hope they start accepting some in-state ppl tho..
 

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congrats koopa, that's wonderful!

Hopefully they pull some instate people....Have any top third in-state males been accepted?
 

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Congratulations Koopa!!!
 

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That's awesome! Congrats! I'm praying for some love for In-state female here!:)
 

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Thanks everyone. I'm rooting for all of you now. I hope to see you in August!
 

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One of my friends just got taken off the UC waitlist yesterday. good luck guys.
 

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One of my friends just got taken off the UC waitlist yesterday. good luck guys.

In-state/out? male/female? do you know what section of the waitlist?

i hate waiting. very frustrating :confused:
 

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since the majority of the waitlist spots go out before june 15th.
should i start sending out my primary amcas around that date if i dont get in-any advice on this?
 

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oos, via email on tuesday!!! good luck to everyone

congrats to your bf! was he in state or out of state for UC? (and what third of the waitlist if you know )
 

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Have you guys set up which lender you're going to use? They sent me that financial aid packet so I set up my fasfa and the UC application already. The lender situation seems to be a bit confusing.
 
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