This is part of an exact email from him sent beginning of March:
Near the end of April all of the students who are alternates are mailed a letter asking if they would like to be placed on the alternate list. Once the deadline for the alternate list response is past the alternate list is then assembled. Students are never told where they are on the alternate list and normally there is little movement on the alternate list until early June. From year to year the number of alternates offered admission varies. Normally by mid-July the majority of offers form the alternate list have been made. This year we anticipate making between 40-50 alternate list offers.
Okay, we have definite proof from your letter that 40 -50 are on the alternate list. Now we need real proof that there are 290 on the waitlist - which I think is way to0 big an estimate and even worse, way too cruel if its true!
I'm not sure why it would be 290 people, that is half of the interviewees on waitlist. Doesn't really make much sense...What I heard is that they gave out fewer acceptances to begin with this year and so they were planning on taking more off the waitlist. 290 seems like a lot though.
Well, it's a cruel process in general. And the adcom's first duty is to the look after the interests of the school. The purpose of the alternate list is so they know for sure that they will fill their class, not to make the admissions process any more fair or less annoying to the applicants.
Filling a class has never been a problem for any decent institution. At this point in history, there are more applicants than ever before. This trend is predicted to continue for at least 1 or 2 more years for undergraduate institutions and thus 5 more years for post-grad.
i had a meeting with doctor manuel. the letters detailing what third you are in should be sent out early this week, according to him.
from what i remember:
~200 in state on the list...
~90 OOS on the list...
will be making majority of offers before june 15
Limits, deadlines and a more timely acceptance period need to be woven into the system. Today, I don't have the answer, but someone will be smart enough, hopefully sooner rather than later, to improve this system.
he first consulted the in state list, which he counted something like 208. then he said this doesnt een include OOS, and he flipped to another list and then gave me the 90 number.
admittedly, this sounded extremely high. the numbers dont make sense, but i wasnt going to question him.
I still don't think a WL of ~300 is out of the question. Remember that not everyone they call off the list would be willing to go as they might have other situations already set up. The school has to insure themselves against situations where a large # of students get called up by their dream schools in June or July. This isn't such a likely scenario perhaps, but they really can't take any chances with not having enough students. The way the state funding usually works is they get allocated a certain amount of money based on how many students they have. Less students = less money.
I still think 300 on the waitlist is very high considering that most schools (with low attachment rates) give out approximately double the # of acceptances than they have spots. If say UC gave out ~ 300 acceptances for ~200 seats, plus another 300 on the waitlist. That is about 400 students too many and a total of 600 to communicate with this summer. I doubt UC will have to go through 600 students to fill a class (thats triple their enrolment). They might not be the best school, but they are a good school and probably won't have more than 200 give up their seat. Also considering that last year they did not take any students off the waitlist, I'm willing to bet that the alternate list isn't as large as 300.
Same thing.I have been placed in the top third of the alternate list. Is there a difference between the waitlist and the alternate list? or are these terms intended to mean the same thing?
It's very good. Be happy.I would also have to admit that hearing top thrid was not as exciting as hopeful as I thought it would be if the waitlist/alternate list is as large as everybody suspects it to be. Hopefully the numbers on the waitlist aren't as high as some might think, but then again who knows?
It's been communicated to me via PM that my logic/arithmetic is filled with holes. And while I admit it, it is most certainly not my intention to create unsubstantiated hope. All I want to say is that the numbers don't look horrible and that being in the top 1/3rd -- while it may freak you out because it's nebulous-- shouldn't discourage you from making good decisions and being generally positive about this process. So with that disclaimer in mind, feel free to read what I posted AND do your own arithmetic.I have been placed in the top third of the alternate list. Is there a difference between the waitlist and the alternate list? or are these terms intended to mean the same thing?