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I'm excited to see so many new U of M students for this fall! You guys will love it.
Just a quick FYI, and a few of the best tips I've discovered along the way...
FYI:
First semester is a bit of an adjustment (it was for me, at least, and many of my peers said the same). I felt a little disenchanted and sometimes wondered if pharmacy school was such a good fit. You are SO excited when you first come in, but then there is SO much work to do once you start, and sometimes it feels like you know nothing. This feeling will pass! Second semester has been a lot better, and I feel much more at home now, and I'm starting to really enjoy it (well, not before big tests, but it's fine otherwise!). 🙂 Just keep plugging away and eventually you will make it through!
TIPS:
-Join some activities! I'd really really recommend joining one of the fraternities (I'm partial to Kappa Psi because I'm a member, but they are all great). It's a wonderful way to meet others with similar interests, bond, meet upperclassmen and faculty members, and share great ideas. Kappa Psi has been my rock this year; I'm sure people in Phi Delta Chi feel the same about their fraternity. I don't know anybody in Kappa Epsilon, but I know they also have a chapter at the U.
-MPSA (http://www.mnpharmacy.org/) and MPSO (http://mpso-umn.blogspot.com/p/e-board.html) are also great to join. MPSA will help you develop your professional abilities (through leadership activities, great guest speakers, national pharmacy organization meetings, etc). One of my friends told me (before school started) that if I didn't join MPSA, I would "miss out on all the fun." It's more than fun though; it's a lot of really important things that can help connect you to the profession you are joining. MPSO is a multicultural group and focuses on exposing students to cultures other than their own that they may encounter in pharmacy. They have a lot of guest speakers and food tastings from different cultures at lunchtime (they usually coincide with the guest speakers). It's an interesting group, and some nice people join.
-Take risks. Do things you were afraid to do in undergraduate classes. Try your hand at the OTC Competition, Clarion, and Counseling Competitions. First years can (and do) win these things, often!
-Run for leadership positions if you're interested in them (there are lots of leadership positions, from being a class rep, to positions in all the organizations mentioned above, as well as College Board [College Board is the organization that governs the pharmacy program]).
-Exercise. Learn to relax.
-Most of your books are published by this company: http://thepoint.lww.com/. If you buy the books new or with a code, you can access the E-book from a computer, anywhere with internet access (doesn't work so hot with tablets, unfortunately). Very handy if you like to go places but don't always want to bring your books.
-You get a big poster with everybody's face and name on it at the beginning of the year. Keep it and hang it up somewhere, it's really useful! There are a lot of people in the class, and I would have been lost without that poster at the beginning. I think it really helped me in learning my classmates' names.
Anyway...hopefully I will see some of you this summer at the orientation events or this fall! Enjoy your upcoming summer!
Just a quick FYI, and a few of the best tips I've discovered along the way...
FYI:
First semester is a bit of an adjustment (it was for me, at least, and many of my peers said the same). I felt a little disenchanted and sometimes wondered if pharmacy school was such a good fit. You are SO excited when you first come in, but then there is SO much work to do once you start, and sometimes it feels like you know nothing. This feeling will pass! Second semester has been a lot better, and I feel much more at home now, and I'm starting to really enjoy it (well, not before big tests, but it's fine otherwise!). 🙂 Just keep plugging away and eventually you will make it through!
TIPS:
-Join some activities! I'd really really recommend joining one of the fraternities (I'm partial to Kappa Psi because I'm a member, but they are all great). It's a wonderful way to meet others with similar interests, bond, meet upperclassmen and faculty members, and share great ideas. Kappa Psi has been my rock this year; I'm sure people in Phi Delta Chi feel the same about their fraternity. I don't know anybody in Kappa Epsilon, but I know they also have a chapter at the U.
-MPSA (http://www.mnpharmacy.org/) and MPSO (http://mpso-umn.blogspot.com/p/e-board.html) are also great to join. MPSA will help you develop your professional abilities (through leadership activities, great guest speakers, national pharmacy organization meetings, etc). One of my friends told me (before school started) that if I didn't join MPSA, I would "miss out on all the fun." It's more than fun though; it's a lot of really important things that can help connect you to the profession you are joining. MPSO is a multicultural group and focuses on exposing students to cultures other than their own that they may encounter in pharmacy. They have a lot of guest speakers and food tastings from different cultures at lunchtime (they usually coincide with the guest speakers). It's an interesting group, and some nice people join.
-Take risks. Do things you were afraid to do in undergraduate classes. Try your hand at the OTC Competition, Clarion, and Counseling Competitions. First years can (and do) win these things, often!
-Run for leadership positions if you're interested in them (there are lots of leadership positions, from being a class rep, to positions in all the organizations mentioned above, as well as College Board [College Board is the organization that governs the pharmacy program]).
-Exercise. Learn to relax.
-Most of your books are published by this company: http://thepoint.lww.com/. If you buy the books new or with a code, you can access the E-book from a computer, anywhere with internet access (doesn't work so hot with tablets, unfortunately). Very handy if you like to go places but don't always want to bring your books.
-You get a big poster with everybody's face and name on it at the beginning of the year. Keep it and hang it up somewhere, it's really useful! There are a lot of people in the class, and I would have been lost without that poster at the beginning. I think it really helped me in learning my classmates' names.
Anyway...hopefully I will see some of you this summer at the orientation events or this fall! Enjoy your upcoming summer!
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Great post. Is it quite easier to get a tech job at the twin cities? Do you receive email notifications about internships and tech jobs? How helpful is the career fair in terms of finding internships for the summer? Have any of your friends found internship positions yet? Lastly, how are the out out-of-state students dealing with their loans, do you occasionally hear complains? What are some things that haven't really impressed you about this school so far? I really wanna come there. It was my best experience among all the schools I visited, but the cost as an out of state student is the deal breaker right now. Sorry for the numerous questions.
Hi amicable,
From what I hear, it is easier to get pharmacy jobs during school in the Twin Cities compared to Duluth, but I don't think this has any affect on the job placement rates after school. I'm on the Twin Cities campus, and we get email notifications about internships all the time. I haven't been to the career fair; I think it's more oriented toward graduating students. Most people apply to the internships we get emails about, or find internships on their own. It doesn't seem to be too hard to find internships; there are lots of opportunities in the area. It seems lately that retail internships are actually harder to come by than hospital internships...sort of strange.
I haven't heard out of state students talking about their loans much. I get the feeling that many of them have family helping them out for part of the cost.
I think one of the great things about Minnesota is the variety of experiences available as well as the opportunities for professional development. You have to take initiative to get these, but they are there if you want them. We also have a strong alumni network. Combined, it means that if you want the opportunity to learn and grow in the profession, you certainly have that option. If you choose not to take it, you won't see the benefit, but if you get yourself outside your comfort zone, there are so many experiences that can benefit you later on in your career.
Another plus for Minnesota is our strong background in pharmaceutical care. If you hope to practice as a pharmacist in the future, this will really help you provide better care for patients, especially if you'd like to work in medication therapy management. You'll learn more about pharmaceutical care once you start school (a lot more!), but just know it's a system for making sure your patients are taking drugs that are right for them and will cause the best outcome. It's tedious and time consuming, and it works. Not every school teaches this subject extensively, so we're very lucky in that respect.
The costs are something to consider, of course, as well as your other options. I'm glad I'm at the U of M, but I think if costs were too prohibitive, I would have chosen a different school. You don't want to be so bogged down in debt once you graduate that you can't pay it off. Think about it all long and hard...then make your choice. Debt is no fun, so I'd understand if you chose somewhere else because of it, but the U is a really great school. Talk with your family and friends...then make your decision and don't look back! Good luck.🙂
Awesome!
Thanks so much for the info and the advice. You're right, it's strange that hospital internships are more available than retail as you said, and that will be a huge PLUS for me. I want to work in a hospital, or with a research company. I don't see the reason why I should deal with all these drama that current retail pharmacists encounter. One sad thing is standing for 8-12 hours without a break. C'mon, even CNA's at hospitals get to sit down and have 2 breaks, so why should someone with a "Doctor of Pharmacy" degree go through what a "cashier" will, but without a break. My friends in other pharmacy schools are struggling to land a retail internship. They are not even considering hospital because they know it's almost impossible.
The "U" is the right fit for me, and that's what matters most. However, it's not too easy to overlook the cost, but I know it will be worth it eventually. I still have some consultations with my advisers, and I know I will make a good decision soon. It's sometimes a little discouraging when some current students from other schools say "my school is OK", "I had no option", "I think I will be fine". On the other hand, it's a good bet when you hear someone else say "It's the best decision I have ever made in my life", and that's what a current student from your school said on one of these pharmacy forums.
Thanks again.
Thanks so much for the info and the advice. You're right, it's strange that hospital internships are more available than retail as you said, and that will be a huge PLUS for me. I want to work in a hospital, or with a research company. I don't see the reason why I should deal with all these drama that current retail pharmacists encounter. One sad thing is standing for 8-12 hours without a break. C'mon, even CNA's at hospitals get to sit down and have 2 breaks, so why should someone with a "Doctor of Pharmacy" degree go through what a "cashier" will, but without a break. My friends in other pharmacy schools are struggling to land a retail internship. They are not even considering hospital because they know it's almost impossible.
The "U" is the right fit for me, and that's what matters most. However, it's not too easy to overlook the cost, but I know it will be worth it eventually. I still have some consultations with my advisers, and I know I will make a good decision soon. It's sometimes a little discouraging when some current students from other schools say "my school is OK", "I had no option", "I think I will be fine". On the other hand, it's a good bet when you hear someone else say "It's the best decision I have ever made in my life", and that's what a current student from your school said on one of these pharmacy forums.
Thanks again.
Hello RXMPLS and amicable7,
I was just reading your posts, and would like to join in. I am an out of state student as well and the OOS is the main thing I am worried about as well. I am especially worried because of all the negativity going around about the field of pharmacy (oversaturation etc). I am sure you have heard of it. As of now, I do not know what things will be like when I graduate in 2016. Pharmacy is what I had planned to do ever since high school in 2008, and back then it was a very promising career. I am not sure if it is now anymore.
RXMPLS- UMN is one of the best pharmacy schools in the nation no doubt, but I just need some assurance that the huge investment I am about to make will be worth it. Are you graduating anytime soon? Are UMN pharmacy grads finding jobs at graduation without having to move to the middle of nowhere? also, how hard is to get a residency? your input will be much appreciated 🙂
I was just reading your posts, and would like to join in. I am an out of state student as well and the OOS is the main thing I am worried about as well. I am especially worried because of all the negativity going around about the field of pharmacy (oversaturation etc). I am sure you have heard of it. As of now, I do not know what things will be like when I graduate in 2016. Pharmacy is what I had planned to do ever since high school in 2008, and back then it was a very promising career. I am not sure if it is now anymore.
RXMPLS- UMN is one of the best pharmacy schools in the nation no doubt, but I just need some assurance that the huge investment I am about to make will be worth it. Are you graduating anytime soon? Are UMN pharmacy grads finding jobs at graduation without having to move to the middle of nowhere? also, how hard is to get a residency? your input will be much appreciated 🙂
Those are some tough questions; I could probably write at least a short pamphlet with my own take on the job market. I think I'm going to let this sit for the day and formulate an answer for you tomorrow (yes, I do have homework I'm working on!). My ideas might differ from other students' as I'm still a first year and nowhere close to graduating yet...
I'm from nor CA, and I'm going to U of M!
OK.
I honestly think the big picture is this: we have no real idea what the job market will look like in 4-5 years because there are so many convoluting factors currently. If you're looking for a sure bet, there is nearly nothing today that is guaranteed. This is scary, but it's the world we live in right now.
Here are the big factors that will impact job availability for pharmacists, as I see it:
- New schools opening. This is a pretty big factor, but not as big as the next factor, from numbers I've run myself.
-Older pharmacists retiring later, or choosing not to retire at all. There are large groups of pharmacists who are working longer and later in life than before, for whatever reasons. There are probably economic reasons for this, as well as the fact that they probably just really enjoy their jobs. Job projections don't really know how many people will retire, and I suspect they project for more people to retire younger than they actually will.
-Changes in healthcare law. At this point, this could be a huge plus or minus for pharmacists. We really have no idea though, as we haven't seen healthcare change implemented yet.
-People living longer/with more complications. This is something that's been occurring for much of this century, but it's worthwhile taking into account. We'll see more Type 2 Diabetes patients; usually when you have one issue with diabetes, you have other health issues as well.
-Changes in distribution of medications -- shift to mail order and internet pharmacy.
-Combining of pharmacy benefits managers (PBMs) - more than likely a huge negative for pharmacists.
-Growth in medication therapy management, and possibly hospital pharmacy. I'm guessing these are not large numbers in comparison with the decrease in retail jobs, however good they sound.
-Growth in number of older adults -- possible growth in long term care, geriatric, nursing home-based pharmacy.
So....there are definitely a lot of factors at play. The hard part is that a lot of the growth areas for pharmacy will probably happen in areas of the population that don't have the money to pay for a pharmacist's services. We're going to have to all learn to be more efficient at serving the public at a cost of less per person than during our "boom years".
I think Minnesota is a great school for a lot of the reasons I stated in my posts above; it has an excellent reputation nationally and we just have massive amounts of opportunities available to us in school, as students. Still, you're going to have to take a long look at the potential debt you would incur as an out of state student, and look at your own opportunities that could cost you less money.
A lot of this choice comes down to personal financial decision making. Can you afford it? When you look at what pharmacists make, is it reasonable that you'll be able to pay your loans off with the debt you'll incur? Have somebody who is good with numbers and accounting look at the costs and help you figure out what your loan payments will be and how long it will take you to pay off (if you can't do this yourself, that is). Think about your future costs of living. I'd describe $25k as a pretty bare-bones existence that grants you decent housing, a used car, and some health insurance. Consider what you'll need to live on personally to be happy, then make sure you'll have enough after you pay your loans every month.
I ran through my numbers so many times, and worried endlessly about it before school started. I still worry from time to time, but I think with the amount of debt I'm taking on (less than the total cost of school), I'll be able to afford it, even if the worst possible scenario occurs. A lot of this just comes down to your personal level of risk tolerance....
Also...to answer your questions about jobs: I really don't know. I know so few 4th years (because I'm still a first year, and they've been on rotations all year), that I just don't have that information. I assume that most people will get their first jobs after getting licensed, but not before. I sort of doubt most of our graduates are moving to the middle of nowhere. Out here, it seems there are not that many "middle of nowhere" jobs available in the first place. Most jobs seem to be in the Twin Cities metro region. I've heard residencies are tough to get, but a lot of our graduates do get them. I'll tell you this: it's not *just* because they go to Minnesota that they get residencies, but it's because they take full advantage of everything Minnesota has to offer them, plus they do really well in school. It's a tough world out there now! I worry about getting a residency myself...I hope I can make myself competitive enough, but I know it will be really difficult.
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I can speak a little to the residency match numbers since it was my class. Nation wide there was a little over 60% match rate. Typically we have about 60-70 students from the U try for a residency. I don't have that exact number right now but I would say it would be similar. I do know that there were only 11 students that didn't match from the U (81-85%). I think that says a lot about the reputation of our students and program. If you have any questions about the residency application process please let me know. Its a long haul but worth it! I'm excited to start in July!
Rx MPLS- Thank you so much for taking the time out to write that post! I completely agree with the fact that at this point we really cannot decide as to what things will be like 4-5 years from now. Just like people 4-5 years ago did not think that the pharmacy job market would be tight right now. Things will change for the better hopefully. Residencies are hard to get but I do think that down the line, residencies might become the norm if you want to work in a hospital. The OOS is going to be expensive, but I am confident that it will be worth it in the end. I absolutely fell in love with UM when i visited. Thanks for your input once again 🙂
OMG thank you so much for that! I was really curious to know what the match % was, and man thats really good! So if a student doesn't match, does it mean they cannot do a residency? or can they wait around and get into a residency spot that has not been taken? Are you doing a residency as well? If so, what are you planning to specialize in?
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Is anyone able to recommend any resources for locating housing? I want to construct a list so I can make a trip up to the Twin Cities and have an idea of some places to check out.
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Thanks! I'll add these to my arsenal.
Congrats, Alex! See you on campus next year!
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Also heard back today, got in at Twin Cities. See ya in the fall.
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Could any current students share their philosophy on student loans and working while in pharmacy school? I took a year off from school to get some pharmacy experience before applying, and I currently work two part-time jobs. One is with a retail pharmacy and the other is as a part time manager of a business. When we spoke with the student panel on my interview date, one of them said something which has kind of been resonating with me. "You're going to leave school with debt even if you do work all the time, so if you need loans, just take them out and don't worry about it. There are plenty of other things to worry about while you're in school." I can identify with this, but I'm already in debt from my undergrad and not really relishing taking out $120k in loans over the next 4 years.
On the other hand, my pharmacy manager--a recent U of M pharmacy school graduate--told me that he worked full time and watched the recorded lectures in his spare time. I don't think this would work out for me, as I need structure (i.e. going to class/being in an academic environment and not sitting in my living room) to keep me focused and on track... But it's just making me think more about how much I should be working while I'm in school.
If anyone in school (or recent graduates) could share their loan philosophy, I'd appreciate it.
On the other hand, my pharmacy manager--a recent U of M pharmacy school graduate--told me that he worked full time and watched the recorded lectures in his spare time. I don't think this would work out for me, as I need structure (i.e. going to class/being in an academic environment and not sitting in my living room) to keep me focused and on track... But it's just making me think more about how much I should be working while I'm in school.
If anyone in school (or recent graduates) could share their loan philosophy, I'd appreciate it.
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I will be attending Duluth campus;
orientation and/or social dates are different for the two campuses?
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There's an optional "pre-orientation" during the summer. Students from both campuses are invited, but at least last year it was held at the Twin Cities campus. We did some general socializing, bowling, and then went to the PDX house for a welcome party. There was also a CPR course that evening if you wanted to get certified. Our pre-orientation was in late July, so yours probably will be too. I would email Sarah Loftstrom and ask her if they have set a date yet, but I would guess that they have not. I know several OOs students also used this trip To search for apartments as well.
Congratulates to everyone, and I look forward to seeing those of you at the TC campus in the Fall!
Congratulates to everyone, and I look forward to seeing those of you at the TC campus in the Fall!
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Looks like the Summer Social date has been set. It's Thursday, July 26th from 1:00-3:30pm.
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Everyone will get ranked first (they should send you something in the mail regarding this) and then they start letting people in. Last year I think they started around early or mid May. They also periodically send out emails to the people that are on the waitlist regarding how many people have been admitted from the waitlist and how far you are from getting called. I think they had a count going on their website at one point as well.
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Hi, I am a current pharmacy student at the U of M. I also have debt from undergrad, as most of us do. I work at a retail pharmacy and worked during my first year, but I took this year (second year) off to focus on school. I think you are going to have major debt no matter what (what you get from working won't offset loans much), so do what is comfortable to you. Most of the lectures are recorded, so you can watch them at home, which I do a lot even though I do not work (1 hour commute) but there are some classes that are not recorded and some have required attendance. Also, sometimes the lecture accidentally doesn't get recorded or there is technical issues so I would definitely not rely on that. I have a classmate who works 20-30 hours per week at a retail pharmacy and watches most lectures at home. There are also others like me who do not work during the school year. It all comes down to how good you are at organizing your time and how much sleep you need 🙂
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Hey All,
I am a 2008 Alumni and I have rented a house out to pharmacy/medical students since I went to school there. It is a nice place, not a typical college rental in a cool neighborhood. 3+ bedrooms.....rent is around $1,400......shoot me an email if interested [email protected]
I am a 2008 Alumni and I have rented a house out to pharmacy/medical students since I went to school there. It is a nice place, not a typical college rental in a cool neighborhood. 3+ bedrooms.....rent is around $1,400......shoot me an email if interested [email protected]
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I have two friends that are looking for another roommate (both girls, although they are fine with a guy roommate). I lived with them for two years in undergrad and they were both good, respectful roommates.
They live in a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom fully renovated triplex in the Seward neighborhood in Minneapolis. Bonus: dishwasher, washing machine and dryer, off-street parking and the landlord takes care of the yard work! It is fully furnished except for what you would have in your room.
I will mention that they have three cats, all of which are very good house cats (this is coming from me, who is not really a house cat person).
Rent is $432/month plus heat and electricity, which I think topped at $20/mo/person in winter this year.
PM me if you are interested or have any other questions.
They live in a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom fully renovated triplex in the Seward neighborhood in Minneapolis. Bonus: dishwasher, washing machine and dryer, off-street parking and the landlord takes care of the yard work! It is fully furnished except for what you would have in your room.
I will mention that they have three cats, all of which are very good house cats (this is coming from me, who is not really a house cat person).
Rent is $432/month plus heat and electricity, which I think topped at $20/mo/person in winter this year.
PM me if you are interested or have any other questions.
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http://www.pharmacy.umn.edu/pharmd/admissions/statistics/home.html - the 2012 admissions statistics. This was posted by another admitted student on the class of 2016's facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/groups/266863043387735/ join if you haven't), but I wanted to posted it here too for those waitlisted (especially if you are waiting to hear about Duluth).
Most notable is that there were 100 fewer applications than the last admissions cycle, and there are 2 spots in Duluth yet to be filled.
Most notable is that there were 100 fewer applications than the last admissions cycle, and there are 2 spots in Duluth yet to be filled.
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I don't think you're even allowed to register for electives yet. Some first years took one of a few possible electives this spring, but I don't recall anyone I know taking some in the fall (if anyone did, it was probably a leadership elective). You have time scheduled to take electives your P2 and P3 year, so I would wait until then. My advice is to take the first semester to get acquainted with the school and start getting involved in organizations and activities, then think about electives second semester.
I'm looking forward to meeting some of you in the fall! Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or concerns. 🙂
400 complete apps?! UMN is listed as top 3 school according to US news, then why aren't many people apply here? Or is that because many people are not reading directions properly? Not that I mind, just curious..
Does anyone has any input on social? I'm in Cali and planning to move early Aug. Do you think it is necessary to fly in only for social??
Well, so many people count themselves out for some schools. Some people feel it will be a waste of time and money to apply to certain top schools. I know a couple of people who didn't bother to apply to our state school because they felt their chances of getting accepted was very little. It's the same reason why some people never bother to apply to Ivy league schools during high school.
But as always, school advisers insist, "never count yourself out until the school counts you out".
So few people applied mainly because most people felt Minnesota was beyond their reach.
Some people also think the place will be too cold.
I personally think these were the dominant reasons.
But as always, school advisers insist, "never count yourself out until the school counts you out".
So few people applied mainly because most people felt Minnesota was beyond their reach.
Some people also think the place will be too cold.
I personally think these were the dominant reasons.
Another factor could be some of the more recent prerequisite changes. It can be hard for students to get all of the courses in sometimes when prerequisites change (as they did for the U of M fairly recently). I think numbers usually drop the year of a change, then increase again later.
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I wonder if that's why they changed the prerequisites again for Fall 2013?
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The social is fun and is a great way to get to know people before school starts, but it is definitely not necessary. Unless you have another reason to fly out here, I would personally save the money you would otherwise spend flying. You'll have four years to get to know each other, so one more day won't make much of a difference 🙂
The first day of orientation is full of ice-breakers and team-building activities, so that serves as a good start for getting to know people as well.
PS- if any of you do go to the pre-orientation/social, don't bother getting your ID pictures and such that day. You will lose out on socializing time and those are things you can do any other day. If you are going to Duluth you can't get it done on the TC campus anyways.
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There's going to be a curriculum change for the class of 2017, so that could have something to do with it.
I'm currently on the waitlist & the waiting is torture. Does anyone know my chances of even getting into the UofM college of pharmacy at this point? Like, what are the chances that spots are going to open up?
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That's a tough call. As of yesterday, 6/13, there has been zero movement, but I'm sure you've been keeping a close eye on the school's admissions statistics page. It looks like from years past people started getting pulled from the waitlist as early as May. Seems almost strange that there has been no movement so far. I did notice a post from last year that said some seats might begin to open once tuition is set in stone. That's all I got, though.
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