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Hey everyone...had gotten a few PMs about the University of Pittsburgh. U Pitt is a nice program. Huge volume (highest surg path volume in the country, I believe), lots of funding for residents, and a nice yearly allowance for books. Teaching consists of a didactic conference one morning a week, along w/ on-line quizzes, tutorials, etc. Also, b/c the volume is so high, there are "centers of excellence", where all you do is one organ system per rotation...for those who like to focus their studying/learning, this is very nice. Also, two university hospitals, a children's hospital, a VA hospital, a women's hospital, and a hybrid university-community hospital gives you a broad experience to practice in. To boot, there's a nice chairman and PD.

Good luck on the interview trail!
 
You might want to edit the "highest in the country part", before the Mayo kids get wind of it.. :meanie:

at "over 80,000 surgicals" UPitt combined hospitals (like what 14 separate hospitals?) still are dwarfed by Mayos "165,000 surgical and consult specimens". I'm sure they might be almost 50% consults, but I'm sure the Pitt 80k has consults in there. (JHU is at " 'approximately' 74,293 surgical" and that is just JHU)....

I was surprised at the 80k for Pitt, did you guys just fold in a few more hospitals, 5 years ago it was 65k. That is a big jump.
 
I just wonder the ranking of UPMC pathology specifivally CP if such ranking exists......how it compares to other big programs........how is life there in pittsburg?
 
how do you feel about rotating through multiple teaching hospitals for your training? i'm an MS3 and they ship us all over the place. in theory it's nice to get some variety, but it's also a pain to not get to establish long-term relationships with faculty and staff. so i wonder how that would work from a residency perspective in a program where you use as many teaching hospitals as UPitt does. i realize most programs use at least 2 or 3, but it seems like UPitt is using at least 5 ot 6 on a regular basis. any thoughts of the pros/cons of this?
 
how do you feel about rotating through multiple teaching hospitals for your training? i'm an MS3 and they ship us all over the place. in theory it's nice to get some variety, but it's also a pain to not get to establish long-term relationships with faculty and staff. so i wonder how that would work from a residency perspective in a program where you use as many teaching hospitals as UPitt does. i realize most programs use at least 2 or 3, but it seems like UPitt is using at least 5 ot 6 on a regular basis. any thoughts of the pros/cons of this?

I'm wondering about the same...any information regarding the same would be very welcome.
 
I'm only a first year here at UPMC, but here are some of my impressions (with a little input from one of our chiefs).

Rotating at multiple hospitals is difficult and sometimes frustrating, but forces you to adapt to different circumstances, learn different techniques, work with many different people and, overall, experience more of what there is to experience in the pathology world. For instance, I've learned how to use four different types of cryostat, worked with almost 20 different PAs and 9 or 10 different attendings over 4 months.

Since we spend at least three weeks (at least our first year) at a time at each hospital, it doesn't feel too disjointed. Also, the hospitals are within 2 miles of eachother and there are free shuttles everywhere. So, you don't feel like you're going all over the place. There are about 60 residents and fellows, so there is always someone else with you that you know. Many of the conferences are broadcasted (the informatics here is insane--so many toys!). The only conference we are expected to attend (be physically present), no matter where we are rotating, is our Tuesday AM unknown conference and lecture.

We rotate at 5 different hospitals, 4 of which have their own Centers of Excellence (or subspecialty areas). The VA is like any other VA (more of a general practice and is not part of the subspecialty system). As for the other 4 hospitals: Magee (our women's hospital) houses the GYN and Breast COE's. Shadyside (a university/community hospital) houses the Dermatopathology, GU and BST COE's. Presbyterian-Montefiore (the flagship university hospital(s)) house the GI, ENT, Neuropath, Thoracic and Transplant COE's. Children's Hospital houses the pediatric COE.

It's a complicated system. UPMC keeps incorporating more community hospitals as well, which means that many of their specimens come to us as well.

The surgical specimen number increases every year, partly because UPMC keeps acquiring new hospitals, partly because the main institution itself keeps growing. At the main hospitals, we see over 80,000 (and climbing) surgical specimens/yr. The community hospitals are also incredibly busy which jumps our specimen number up significantly. The residents do not routinely rotate at these hospitals, however, we are welcome to do electives there. I believe our PD told us that we have the highest volume of in house (including our community hospitals) surgical specimens. I haven't done a search to find out and compare, so I can neither confirm nor deny that statement. 😳

The faculty here, for the most part, is outstanding. Whether they are big names in their fields (Barnes, Swerdlow, Yousem) or not, they are wonderful diagnostic pathologists and teachers all. The fellows are also excellent. Our program is beginning to become more fellow heavy than in the past. They bring with them experiences and methods from their own residency programs. The research opportunities (from what I've heard--a little too busy to get involved in anything just yet) are also outstanding.

Again, I'm only a first year, but I thought I would try to shed some light on the conversation. If you want to know anything specific, lemme know. I may not know the answer, but I can always ask an upper level.
 
I just wanted to add that, despite our heavy volume, the residents are not grossing machines. We are only required to gross 3 to 4 specimens/day. We have ample, excellent PA support. The services are built to run without the residents.
 
I just wanted to add that, despite our heavy volume, the residents are not grossing machines. We are only required to gross 3 to 4 specimens/day. We have ample, excellent PA support. The services are built to run without the residents.

😱
 
hi..i guess you are a first year resient in UPMC ,...actually i have alot of questions for you where can find you...
 
I just wanted to add that, despite our heavy volume, the residents are not grossing machines. We are only required to gross 3 to 4 specimens/day. We have ample, excellent PA support. The services are built to run without the residents.

I second the 😱 - gross pathology is a huge part of the diagnosis, particularly in big specimens - you can basically sign out a laryngectomy or certain sarcomas, lung CA, etc, on the gross you just need the slides to confirm it or add small features. Grossing 3-4 specimens a day means you are not getting this training adequately, because you are not seeing enough variety, both routine and non routine specimens, to prepare yourself. Obviously there isn't much utility in spending all your time grossing, especially for smaller specimens, but there is no substitute for seeing the specimen yourself.

I'm sure someone will disagree with this, and clearly I am not advocating residents gross everything. But I had the same reaction when I interviewed at UPenn and the residents told me they only gross a total of 20-25 days during their residency because of the schedule (although those days are heavy grossing days).
 
I was shocked to see the "gross 3-4 specimens a day" stat too. But, that's not a bad thing if the resident grosses everyday during the surgical pathology rotation. Some programs have 3 or 4 day cycles where they have one of those days dedicated to grossing and another day devoted to signout for example. But if during that one day of grossing, the resident sees 15 specimens, I think it all balances out.
 
what is the board pass rate for U Pitt?
 
Some of our attendings don't think we gross enough either, because they came from programs where there is more or more condensed grossing responsibility. There are lots of good programs that gross less though (Duke, for one). We sign out, do frozens, gross and preview (and sometimes predicate, even as first years) everyday on our surg path rotations. Also, since our sign out and grossing is subspecialized, we are only working on one organ system for that period of time. By the time you finish with each bench, you are comfortable grossing almost anything...

I went to medical school and did my surg path rotation in a place that worked it differently. They would gross all day and not necessarily see the slides from the cases they had grossed, if there was "no time". So there was little gross to histo correlation. I would rather have it the way we do here. I see everything I gross (and usually everything the PAs gross) the next day. I'm not sure that either way is right. I think people should choose that with which they are more comfortable.

The one aspect that is a little difficult, according to the upper levels, is getting back into the grossing groove after coming back from CP rotations for almost a year, but that's probably the case with most programs where the CP and AP rotations are not staggered, but more in large blocks.

As far as I know, and I asked the upper levels, since I am only a first year, only one person has failed the AP boards and two failed the CP boards in the past 10 years.

If you want to ask me anything that you don't want to post on the forum, you can private message me. 🙂
 
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