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Has anybody been accepted to the University of Utah yet?

If so, when did you interview?

If you are still waiting to hear back from them like me, I wish you all good luck!

P.S. I know we probably won't hear back till the end of March, but they do let a couple of people trickle in before then.

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I hope to apply to this school next year. Is it true they accept pretty much everyone?
 
I wish they accepted pretty much everyone. If you are not in-state and don't have a significant tie to Utah they won't even look at you.

Last year, 419 in-state people applied and 75 got in.

727 people from out of state applied to the U of U and only 27 got in.

So no they don't accept almost everyone. Whoever told you that is full of mierda.
 
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wow seriously? i didn't know that only 75 in state students got in. it makes me nervous. do you happen to know how many women are in last year's class? i know that most of us will only find out in march, but why do i still check my mail every 2 seconds??
 
As a woman, your chances of getting in are probably better. University of Utah is notorious for its overabundance of male applicants.
 
I have the MSAR stats right in front of me. Of the 102 accepted people, 65 were men and 37 were women. Don't let that fool you though, many more men apply to Utah than women. I think women statistically have an advantage because seemingly very few apply there. But I could be wrong.
 
I have the MSAR stats right in front of me. Of the 102 accepted people, 65 were men and 37 were women. Don't let that fool you though, many more men apply to Utah than women. I think women statistically have an advantage because seemingly very few apply there. But I could be wrong.

I feel obligated to respond to the mass delusion. Those numbers that people are supplying are matriculants, not acceptants.
 
They aren't on rolling and they accept in March I believe.
 
They accepted a handful of applicants before March, earliest in December I think.
 
Thanks for correcting me. Those numbers I provided are for people who matriculated. I don't have the stats for all those who were accepted. Sorry for the mistake.
 
I interviewed there the other day, and I got the impression that women have a much better chance of acceptance than men. There were only 3 of us in my interview group, and the female med students we ate lunch with said that we were the first interview group they had met that had girls (although i guess they hadn't met that many interview groups)....
 
yup when i interviewed there, there were 9 of us, and only 3 girls... and the med students i had lunch with were really excited that there were finally girls in the group...
 
yup when i interviewed there, there were 9 of us, and only 3 girls... and the med students i had lunch with were really excited that there were finally girls in the group...

Of course they were excited their were finally girls. Every heard of polygamy?
 
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You know... you would think that the 1:2 girl:guy ratio would be great for your odds of finding love in med school... but did anyone else notice the plethora of wedding rings at Utah? 🙂
 
You know... you would think that the 1:2 girl:guy ratio would be great for your odds of finding love in med school... but did anyone else notice the plethora of wedding rings at Utah? 🙂

Utah's known for being kind of a "family friendly" med school, although I think that's mostly due to the early marriage rate in Utah. My interviewer a couple weeks ago put it very well when he told me that it can seem that people come to Utah to start a "career," while they go to other schools to start a "profession."

He was mostly talking about what the people plan on doing after med school (the people at Utah he said mostly go straight from undergrad to grad to working as a doc and miss out on some important life experiences that other schools offer).
 
it would be completely pointless to call and ask about status right?
 
Probably. They specifically said in my interview that most applicants won't receive a rejection/acceptance/waitlist until March. Only a few will gain acceptance before then. It's kind of frustrating since it's my state school.
 
How did your interviews go in Utah? Any special advice?
 
How did your interviews go in Utah? Any special advice?

Just be honest and be yourself! Come up with a lot of questions to ask. My interview went ok, but I still left unsure. I had some hard questions...
 
How did your interviews go in Utah? Any special advice?

Just prepare like you would for any other interview. I actually thought my interviews there were my best and not really that difficult. Not sure about my chances though since I am OOS.

I think the SOM there is really a well kept secret. Everyone always brings up the lack of diversity as an issue, but the school and hospital there are really amazing. The SOM is probably more diverse than the state demographics anyway.

I am suprised more people don't apply there and that their stats for matriculants aren't higher.
 
They accepted a handful of applicants before March, earliest in December I think.

The earliest I heard has been March but I guess it is possible to get in before that according to the MSAR. I do wish this school accepted nearly everybody because it is super close to home and my wife would dig that. My interview is not until February, I'm going to be waiting a while....
 
I am surprised why more people don't apply there as well. Especially minorities, seems like they have a better shot there than anyone. From my interview demographics and those of my friends and people who have posted on SDN, I think it is safe to say that about 3/4 of the applicants are white males. Well, the M-2 class that I sat in on had almost half women and nearly a third minorities. I am sure they were all qualified applicants, but I don't agree with this whole affirmative action thing. Anyway, my word doesn't mean much, and I would still like to go there and I think minority students would find it to be a great experience.
 
nada. The minute anyone gets an acceptance, they should post on this thread to make the rest of us nervous.
 
haha seriously. and for once i want to be the premed that everyone envies...

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I'm a Utah resident (Draper). I interviewed there on the 1st of October, and no word yet. I'm hoping it will come (one way or the other) around January.

Oddly enough, I was accepted to an out of state school (U of Louisville). I thought I would get into my state school first, but oh well. I kind of want to take Louisville anyway, although the tuition difference brings me back down to reality in a hurry.
 
Utah isn't on rolling. Most acceptances go out in March with some starting in December.
 
bump. Surely someone has been admitted to the U. Do tell please! Some of us are mighty curious.
 
i haven't heard about anyone who has gotten in yet...
 
nada. I doubt they send any till January or perhaps a few next month...
 
I am surprised why more people don't apply there as well. Especially minorities, seems like they have a better shot there than anyone. From my interview demographics and those of my friends and people who have posted on SDN, I think it is safe to say that about 3/4 of the applicants are white males. Well, the M-2 class that I sat in on had almost half women and nearly a third minorities. I am sure they were all qualified applicants, but I don't agree with this whole affirmative action thing. Anyway, my word doesn't mean much, and I would still like to go there and I think minority students would find it to be a great experience.

I heard that a little while ago the adcom was accused to being unfairly biased against white males and BYU graduates (for those outside Utah, BYU is the LDS university in Provo and there's a huge sports rivally, among other things) and they had someone from the legislature sit in on their meetings to ensure otherwise (nothing came of it). Before that it was that they were biased against women and they did the same thing (and found nothing).

<note: I heard this from another person who works there who had heard it from a faculty member so don't take my word for it>

On a different note, if anyone is interested, go to the pre-med advising page, there's a podcast of a talk that the dean of admissions gave regarding their admissions criteria (he does mention the BYU thing, lol). I've heard that he gives basically the same talk all the time so you might have heard it already at your interviews.

Also it was in the paper recently that the SOM is going to be asking for additional money from the legislature so that they can increase their class size from the current 102 students to 130, starting in 2009.
 
I heard that a little while ago the adcom was accused to being unfairly biased against white males and BYU graduates (for those outside Utah, BYU is the LDS university in Provo and there's a huge sports rivally, among other things) and they had someone from the legislature sit in on their meetings to ensure otherwise (nothing came of it). Before that it was that they were biased against women and they did the same thing (and found nothing).

http://media.www.dailyutahchronicle.com/media/storage/paper244/news/2001/10/01/News/Medical.School.Fields.Questions.About.Admissions.Process.Audit-108157.shtml

Medical School Fields Questions About Admissions Process, Audit
By: Matt Groesbeck
Issue date: 10/1/01 Section: News
PrintEmail Page 1 of 1 The University of Utah School of Medicine answered questions from students interested in careers in medicine Thursday, in the Skaggs Biology Building.

Dr. Victoria Judd, associate dean of admissions, and three fourth year medical students responded to a multitude of questions about the admissions process.

The afternoon dialogue ran a gamut of topics, including tips on the application process, medical student life, the curriculum and the state investigation of its admission practices.


Medical School Audit


Accusations of bias in the schools’ admissions process prompted a state audit in mid August.

Although the investigation won't be finished until November, Judd said she is "confident" the investigation will yield positive results for the U.

"I think the auditors involved are beginning to understand the complexity of the [admissions] process," Judd said. "We are sure that when the investigation is done, [the state] will find the [admissions] process is fair."

Judd denies any discrimination based on religion, race, gender or an applicant’s school of origin, occurs in the admissions process.

She admits the school openly prefers Utah students.

“We will definitely discriminate against out-of-state students," she said. "We're a state school, so we give in-state students priority."

The school interviews about 400 students for the 102 spots. She said a good portion of the students who are not accepted get into other medical schools. About 100 re-apply, according to Judd.

"I hope you get in [medical school] with us," she said, "but if you don't, I'll be happy to sit down with you and go over your application."

Fourth-year medical student Rafe Connors defended the U's admission process as well.

"I don't think people have a true understanding of how competitive [the admission process] is," Connors said.

"In my view, everything is very fair. I've talked to a lot of people about this before. The process [students] go through is unbelievable…It's sad everybody can't get in, but you can't take everybody."

With more than 1200 applicants each year for 102 spots, Judd characterized the admissions process as "extremely competitive." She said there are 10 criteria for admission mandated by national medical school accreditors, including extra curricular as well as academic considerations.

A 1973 federal law prohibits the school from releasing applicant files to audit officials, which is why auditors are focusing on the process itself, Judd said.

There are three full-time investigators at the school, state legislative audit manager Tim Osterstock said in a phone interview with The Daily Utah Chronicle.

Osterstock declined to comment on any audit findings until the second week of November, when a report is expected to be released.

And with a limitation on state funding, Judd doesn't see admission odds increasing any time soon, noting the school is "physically limited by classroom size."

In fact, the U delayed plans to ask the state for a $40 million education building. It’s now second priority behind structural renovations to the Marriott Library.

The education building would house classrooms for pharmacy, nursing, physical therapy and medical students, according to Judd.


Admission Advice


Fourth-year medical student Alison Schick offered interview advice to the potential students.

"Just anticipate questions that are going to be asked," Schick said. "I got questions like ‘If you could invite two or three influential people to dinner, who would they be?'…Prepare so you don't falter and sound like you're lying."

Practicing interview questions with someone you know is also a key to doing well in the interview, Judd said, adding, "They can see things in you that you don't see in you…It's really like a job interview, and you've really got to think on your feet. State what you think, state why you think it and explain your answer. Just practice, and take it seriously—don't take it lightly."

Judd said the interview is meant to see if the applicant can make a connection with the interviewer.

"Yes, it's very intense and very stressful, but it's very relevant to what you'll be doing [in medical practice]. These are skills you need for the patient," she said.

An ethical question, as well as a host of others will be asked, said Judd. She added, "Whatever you put in your application is fair game for us to ask."

"It's okay to say ‘I don't know.' If a patient asks a question, and you don't know, it's all right. You can tell them you don't know, but that you can find out," Judd said.

The written application is evaluated just as thoroughly as the interview, Judd said.

"Punctuation, spelling and grammatical errors may sink your chances," she said.


Diversity


About 14 percent of the medical students are what Judd calls "people of color," a population that she said contributes to the diversity of medical students’ educational experience.

"When we get down to it, the diversity of your experience plays the biggest part…You have to find a cure for what the patient needs, regardless of where they came from or their background. You have to be sensitive to that."

Medical student Lisa Lloyd said she's impressed with the togetherness of her 2002 class.

"It's not a competitive atmosphere," she said. "We're all in this together."

Judd thinks the ethnic diversity of each class isn't the only form of diversity at the U.

"One of the things we'd like to emphasize is the breadth of curriculum we have here," she said.

Judd said only one person drops out of the school every three or four years on average. The national average is three percent per year.
 
I guess the audit that I just posted came up with three negative findings.

1) SOM has a two-tiered system based on race
2) Academic standards have been lowered to achieve greater diversity
3) SOM has "diversity related" selection criteria


The dean replies to them in this article.

http://www.alumni.utah.edu/continuum/summer02/andfinally.htm

The audit also found these positive facts which seem to be completely contrary to the first findings...go figure. All that said, I had heard that they were investigated a couple times, I wonder how many other schools can claim that? I guess a state lawmakers son was rejected a couple years ago but accepted at some really top ranked school and "cried to daddy."

1) The School of Medicine's admissions process shows no bias for or against religious affiliation, undergraduate college, age, or geographic location.
2) The School of Medicine has not enrolled applicants who are not qualified for medical school.
3) The School of Medicine does not have an affirmative action quota system for women and minorities.
4) The School of Medicine admissions process is not unique. The same process is recommended by the American Association of Medical Colleges (AAMC) and used by most medical schools in the country.

And one more article if you are really into this...I am not, just googled it and came back with a bunch of stuff.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_15_19/ai_92082292
 
I guess the audit that I just posted came up with three negative findings.

1) SOM has a two-tiered system based on race
2) Academic standards have been lowered to achieve greater diversity
3) SOM has "diversity related" selection criteria


The dean replies to them in this article.

http://www.alumni.utah.edu/continuum/summer02/andfinally.htm

The audit also found these positive facts which seem to be completely contrary to the first findings...go figure. All that said, I had heard that they were investigated a couple times, I wonder how many other schools can claim that? I guess a state lawmakers son was rejected a couple years ago but accepted at some really top ranked school and "cried to daddy."

1) The School of Medicine’s admissions process shows no bias for or against religious affiliation, undergraduate college, age, or geographic location.
2) The School of Medicine has not enrolled applicants who are not qualified for medical school.
3) The School of Medicine does not have an affirmative action quota system for women and minorities.
4) The School of Medicine admissions process is not unique. The same process is recommended by the American Association of Medical Colleges (AAMC) and used by most medical schools in the country.

And one more article if you are really into this...I am not, just googled it and came back with a bunch of stuff.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0DXK/is_15_19/ai_92082292

I spoke with a medical student and a physician at U of U who both went to BYU and they told me about this audit. The medical student said that there is no way of denying that the U doesn't represent BYU as much as it should (and the statistics prove it); however, I have heard the Dean say that they just cannot take any more BYU students without hurting the "diversity." I am not sure when diversity equaled funcionality, but I do know that there is a lot of pressure on medical schools to fit in among other schools and right now diversity is the cool thing to do. Diversity is important and it is nice to have, I just wish some policies based upon it didn't keep well qualified people out of medical school while letting other people not as qualified take their place.
 
Diversity is important and it is nice to have, I just wish some policies based upon it didn't keep well qualified people out of medical school while letting other people not as qualified take their place.

I agree...but what can you do about it? Not a thing except become even more qualified. 🙂
 
Does anyone know for sure if the U will be sending out acceptances in December? 🙂
 
I agree...but what can you do about it? Not a thing except become even more qualified. 🙂

AMEN. Not worth whining, right? We're going to beat the system and become physicians anyway.
 
Dang, this is a helpful thread. You guys rock!
 
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Ha Ha Ha....Let me guess, you probably heard that from some student (probably a BYU student him/herself) who applied and didn't get in. "White males, LDS, RM's from BYU don't get accepted to UofU SOM....." Let me be the first to tell you that majority of students in my class are white males, LDS, and RM's. The student ratio form Utah schools correlates very closely to school size. For example, UofU and BYU are the largest Utah feeder schools to the UofU SOM. The both account for about 1/3 of our class each, and thus nearly 2/3 of the students who apllied from Utah schools are either form UofU of BYU. The other 1/3 of students who applied from Utah, came from other universities/colleges in Utah. These schools rank as follows, Utah State University, Weber State University, SUU, Westminster, and one of my friends, who happens to be one of the top students in class, did his undergrad at Utah Valley State College. I think he is only like the 3rd student from accepted to the UofU from there. So, the whole idea that the UofU is biased against any Utah school is bogus. It sounds to me that those who don't get accepted to UofU SOM are biased and create such a stir.

My advice to any who look to apply/attend UofU SOM is this; fulfill and excell in the 8 minimum requirements for admissions = interview --> the result of the interview combined with your completion of and excellence in RESEARCH, COMMUNITY SERVICE, LEADERSHIP, PATIENT EXPOSURE, PHYSICIAN SHADOWING, EXTRA-CURRICULAR ACTIVITES, GPA, MCAT in no particular order will determine your admissions status. Also, remember that just completing these requirements is not what the adcom looks for. They want to know what you have gained from these, as well as other life experiences, and how they have prepared you for becoming a physician. When the UofU SOM says that they look for diverse students, they don't mean racially diverse, they want to know what makes you different from the other 1,000 who applied, and they want to know what attributes you will bring to the class, school, wards, hospital, campus, community, etc. Ok...Im starting sound like an admissions brochure, so its time to stop. I wish you all the very best.

SCOOTDOC ---Nice post! I agree!!!!!!
 
Thanks for the feedback. I can only hope I get accepted, I'm instate but did not graduate from a utah university.
 
I'm starting to get nervous about my interview. Any advice from you medical students?
 
I spoke with a medical student and a physician at U of U who both went to BYU and they told me about this audit. The medical student said that there is no way of denying that the U doesn't represent BYU as much as it should (and the statistics prove it); however, I have heard the Dean say that they just cannot take any more BYU students without hurting the "diversity." I am not sure when diversity equaled funcionality, but I do know that there is a lot of pressure on medical schools to fit in among other schools and right now diversity is the cool thing to do. Diversity is important and it is nice to have, I just wish some policies based upon it didn't keep well qualified people out of medical school while letting other people not as qualified take their place.

Because BYU is a private school and there is no advantage to changing your residency to Utah, a lot of the BYU applicants have maintained their out-of-state status so that they can apply as in-state somewhere else. The U treats these applicants as OOS students (rightfully so), which means less of a chance at getting in. Those same students then whine that the U is discriminating against them/their school.
 
Supposedly the U is going to start accepting in January. I'm crossing my fingers. I loved my experience at the U.

I talked to Dean Samuelson a little while ago when he was down at BYU for a grad school fair. He said that they accepted 50 students before March last year. I guess we'll see, eh?

And by the way...I'd love it if a yewt fan could explain to me how Collie got open on fourth and eighteen! 🙂. Merry Christmas yewts and good luck against Navy tomorrow.
 
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