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Any residents out there have any info on this program. It is my number one choice but on their website (edit: it's not on their website, it's on the FREIDA 'general info' section) it states their minimum Step 1 is 230 for an interview, I missed this by a few points. Any resident there now have success with doing an away there with a score <230 or any other method?

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Any residents out there have any info on this program. It is my number one choice but I on their website it states their minimum Step 1 is 230 for an interview, I missed this by a few points. Any resident there now have success with doing an away there with a score <230 or any other method?

there's no way you need a 230 to get an interview there
 
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Any residents out there have any info on this program. It is my number one choice but I on their website it states their minimum Step 1 is 230 for an interview, I missed this by a few points. Any resident there now have success with doing an away there with a score <230 or any other method?
Could you include the URL where you read that bit about the 230 minimum, because I find nothing of the kind at their website...
 
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For the link just look under 'General Information' on the University of Wisconsin FREIDA section (I originally put a link, but it will expire for some reason). Here is the link to search for programs in FREIDA just in case someone doesn't know, go here and search for the Univ of Wisconsin and look under general info: https://freida.ama-assn.org/Freida/user/viewProgramSearch.do

I couldn't find it on the website (sorry, I put in the original post it was on their website)
 
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Any residents out there have any info on this program. It is my number one choice but on their website (edit: it's not on their website, it's on the FREIDA 'general info' section) it states their minimum Step 1 is 230 for an interview, I missed this by a few points. Any resident there now have success with doing an away there with a score <230 or any other method?


The 230 board score is for all non UW madison applicants or people without any ties to the University of Wisconsin. The PD is very open about this to people. During my interview there, faculty kept telling us how competitive it was my year and that the average board score was high 230s for the applicants being invited to interview. That was a few years ago, I cannot imagine that it has changed. It's an amazing program, hospital and town. If you are looking in the midwest, top programs are UW, Michigan, Mayo, U Chicago and Northwestern. No need to apply to any other midwest program.
 
If you are looking in the midwest, top programs are UW, Michigan, Mayo, U Chicago and Northwestern. No need to apply to any other midwest program.

You left out the best program in the midwest, and probably the best in the country, WashU.
 
You left out the best program in the midwest, and probably the best in the country, WashU.

I think they left out quite a few really solid programs...MCW....Iowa...CCF

Just find what program fits your goals and lifestyle the best and you will be fine either way...but to the OP...no program has a strict cut off of 230 and if you are the right applicant I bet you can get into any program in the country with a <210...it will just take a little bit more effort and stellar clinical scores...but I know it has been done
 
You left out the best program in the midwest, and probably the best in the country, WashU.

Yup, don't know how you have a list of Midwest programs without WashU. Definitely top 10 academic rep in the country
 
can any current residents comment about this program? The things you like and don't like? If you could also go through a typical day that would be helpful. Thanks
 
Bump. Any residents out there, can you comment or PM me?
 
I am current CA-2 at UW and I am really happy here. I think one of the biggest strengths of our program is the camaraderie not only between the residents, but also residents and attendings. Both our program director and co-director are huge resident advocates. They work very hard to make sure we get a quality experience. Let me know what specific questions you guys have and I will do my best to answer them. Best of luck to all the M4's out there who are starting the residency interview trail.
 
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I'm also a CA-2 from UW. Always happy to answer questions anyone has about the program. I realize there are a lot of residents on here that are homers for their program. That being said, I think if you are looking for superior clinical training, it is really going to be hard to find a better program. As my buddy said, the relationships between the residents and faculty are also an incredibly important part of the program that are not to be overlooked.

Regarding the questions, you do not necessarily need a 230 for an interview. The interview selection process is quite competitive, and if you don't have a solid CV you better have a good score. If you are a well-rounded candidate, and especially if you rotated through the program, it will be easier to obtain an interview. The PD is a great guy who takes into account other parts of an application besides the USMLE score. I really think that once you obtain an interview, it's your job to sell yourself, and that numbers become slightly less important.

This program isn't often discussed in this forum, but I couldn't be happier in my decision to rank UW #1 over other midwest programs including WashU, Michigan, Mayo, MCW, and Iowa. If you interview in Madison, you will realize that it's a hidden gem.
 
Can you expand on why the clinical experience at Wisconsin is better than the other programs you mentioned?
 
Can you expand on why the clinical experience at Wisconsin is better than the other programs you mentioned?

I've always felt that our PD has a great way of explaining this whole "which program is the best question". He basically explains that the idea of saying a program is the #1 ranked program in the country is ridiculous. Their is no way to really be able to say that MGH will teach you to be a better anesthesiologist then the University of Wisconsin. Any program that tells you that they are the #1 program in the country is fibbing a bit. Rather, he contends that their are probably 25-30 programs in the country where you can get top notch training in anesthesiology. We simply feel that we are one of those programs. If you are interested in training in the midwest, then you are lucky because their just happens to be a number of really great programs here.
 
Some specific questions

1) How much regional do you (personally, not just watch) do on your acute pain rotation?

2) Who reads the TEE during the heart cases, cardiologists or anesthesiologists? Can you become TEE certified by the end of residency?

3) Are your ICUs open/closed? How many critical care anesthesiologists are on staff and what are those months like?

4) What transplants do you do?

5) What things do you think need improvement?

6) What is the CRNA relationship like: do they relieve you or do you relieve them when their shift is over?
 
I've always felt that our PD has a great way of explaining this whole "which program is the best question". He basically explains that the idea of saying a program is the #1 ranked program in the country is ridiculous. Their is no way to really be able to say that MGH will teach you to be a better anesthesiologist then the University of Wisconsin. Any program that tells you that they are the #1 program in the country is fibbing a bit. Rather, he contends that their are probably 25-30 programs in the country where you can get top notch training in anesthesiology. We simply feel that we are one of those programs. If you are interested in training in the midwest, then you are lucky because their just happens to be a number of really great programs here.

I would love to see a list of those programs.
 
Some specific questions

1) How much regional do you (personally, not just watch) do on your acute pain rotation?

2) Who reads the TEE during the heart cases, cardiologists or anesthesiologists? Can you become TEE certified by the end of residency?

3) Are your ICUs open/closed? How many critical care anesthesiologists are on staff and what are those months like?

4) What transplants do you do?

5) What things do you think need improvement?

6) What is the CRNA relationship like: do they relieve you or do you relieve them when their shift is over?

I will try my best to answer these:

1) I think our regional training is one of the strengths of our program. How we do it is as follows: as a CA-1 you do a 4wk block of acute pain. As the acute pain resident your primary job is rounding on all the post-op blocks and learning how to manage/trouble shoot epidurals. We really don't do much in the way of blocks as a CA-1. As the CA-2, we do a 4wk block as the "block resident". You will spend all day doing epidurals & peripheral nerve blocks. The nice thing is that you just do the blocks, you do not sit for the cases. This really maximizes the #'s that you get. While block resident, a CA-3 is on with you as well. They pretty much handle the overflow that you can't get to because of time constraints. We typically have 2 regional fellows, though they don't steal blocks from you at all. You still get first dibs at everything, and jump into help when you struggle. We really are doing all the major blocks at UW ie paravertebrals, supraclaviculars, axillarys, interscalenes, femoral nerve catheters, etc. After my month, I had ~100 epidurals, ~58 peripheral nerve blocks. We have no in-house OB, so our program sends us to Northwestern for a month for our academic OB experience immediately following our block month. The department owns a nice condo 4 blocks from the hospital that you get to yourself for the month, parking included. By the looks of things, I will have over 200 epidurals by the time my month is done in NW.

2) All TEE's at UW are read by our cardiac anesthesiologists for adults, however I believe that the cardiologists come in for the pediatric hearts. Remember that you can only now achieve "basic TEE" certification through residency training, which is a relatively new pathway. We have had two people take the time to achieve this over the course of the last year. That being said, if you want to achieve the requisite #'s then you need to be proactive and start early. We get to do cardiac as CA-1's here, so if you put in the background study early on for TEE, then you can pick up the #'s you need to get basic certification. The alternative is that you can forget about the specific number and study your butt off for the advanced exam. If you pass the advanced exam, you can get testamur status, which seems to be what many of the private practice folks have. The other bonus with our program, is that their are no fellows competing with you for cases. We also get exposed to some great big vascular cases during our training ie TAA's. Our vascular surgeons are doing many big cases here.

3) The ICU's are considered closed, though I've always thought that term to be somewhat erroneous. The surgeon that did the case is always going to remain involved in guiding the patient's care. We have ~5 anesthesia/cc folks on staff, the rest are a mix of surgeons and pulm/cc. You do 1 month of ICU as a CA-1, 1 month as a CA-2, ICU is an elective during the CA-3 year should you want that. I'm not the biggest ICU fan, but I think we get a great experience. As a CA-2, you are the airway/resuscitation expert on the team (aside from anesthesia attendings). I still vividly remember a case from my ICU experience were I resuscitated, placed lines, intubated, and transported to the OR for emergency surgery without ever seeing my ICU attending. This was scary, but also a great experience for me.

4) We do all the major organ transplants, heart, liver, lung, kidney, pancreas. Our liver program is pretty big, so we do many of these. As a CA-2, you spend a month as the transplant resident doing all of the livers for the month. The heart & lung transplants go to the folks on their cardiac rotations or the most senior person on call at night.

5) We are still ironing somethings out with our ICU rotation. We used to have one large mixed medical/surgical ICU. This has now split into a medical & separate SICU. Thus, their have been some growing pains now that these two are separate. Overall, I would still rate them as a great experience that has made me a stronger physician.

6) I think we have a great relationship with our CRNA's. They are all very friendly and fun to work with. They always get us out of the OR for our case conferences. Provided that it is an appropriate case, they relieve us at the end of the day as well. I have no complaints in regards to our working relationship with the CRNA's
 
UW doesn't have an OB/Gyn residency? I don't understand how that is possible.

We do have an OB/Gyn residency. However, UW made an agreement many years ago with a large area community hospital such that UW would not get into the obstetric business. As a result, we don't do obstetrics at UW. The OB/Gyn residents do all of their OB at said hospital. We also spend time over at this hospital with a private anesthesia group taking OB call with them as CA-2's & CA-3's. The exposure to the private group is kind of nice, because you can get a little better sense of what private practice is like. Our rotation at Northwestern is are only exposure to academic OB anesthesiology.
 
Well if you have to go somewhere NW is a good place to go. My OB attending today said their deliveries where around 13k last year. I'm not familair with the avg but that sounds like a good amount 😉
 
Well if you have to go somewhere NW is a good place to go. My OB attending today said their deliveries where around 13k last year. I'm not familair with the avg but that sounds like a good amount 😉

Dang! 13K? That is more than I've seen anywhere.

Never realized UW was as good as posters are saying, should have applied there!
 
We get plenty of OB training between Northwestern and the private hospital in Madison; everyone feels well prepared when they are done with the NW rotation. Another perk is that when we are at UW, there is no OB call at night, which amounts to a better call schedule.
 
Cool info... I will be a CA-1 there next year. Can't wait! It's always nice to read juicy details...

Pike1 is right... the PD makes a strong argument that there is not a "best program" but rather a top tier of programs, and that UW is there.

Do you have any recommendations as far as local apartment complexes go?
 
How happy do faculty seem at UW?

My perception is that they are pretty happy. I think that they give off a vibe that they are enthusiastic about their careers as anesthesiologists & they seem to enjoy teaching us. I think another good sign that we have a nice work environment is that we have recently had several former residents who did fellowships else where who have come back to UW to work as staff.
 
Cool info... I will be a CA-1 there next year. Can't wait! It's always nice to read juicy details...

Pike1 is right... the PD makes a strong argument that there is not a "best program" but rather a top tier of programs, and that UW is there.

Do you have any recommendations as far as local apartment complexes go?

Well, welcome in advance! Lots of options as far as the living situation goes. Depends if you want to live more in the city close to the hospital, or if you want to live a little further away. I personally like living a little further away, I feel like I have more space.
 
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