Unmatched c/o 2013 by School

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*in reference to maxillo* ... dude

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Haha you guys I'm not serious. AB has been hating on me for about a year now, it's funny to rattle his cage.

Best regards,

The PodWhisperer

 

[air bud]

Watch out for AB, he is an up-and-comer. He is going to lead this profession to the promised land one day. You want him on your side-excuse me-you want to be on his side

 

[DrRock44]

Who gives a ****

👍👍👍

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Far from rattled Young Skywalker.

I've been working my ass off and sacrificing my time and sanity to try and land a residency program, just like the rest of the class of 2014.

To think I would take the time during my busy schedule to find your posts and "hate on you" is preposterous. I do most of my SDN reading via my SDN iphone mobile app in the twilight hours of morning, while I'm taking a dump, and when you are still sleeping with your DMU blanky.

So I guess you can say the only time I deem worthy of responding to your posts is when I'm passing my bowels. Kudos to you young sir!

Point proven... 😀

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Edit: good taste prevailed...

 

[OhEmGee]

I do most of my SDN reading via my SDN iphone mobile app in the twilight hours of morning, while I'm taking a dump, and when you are still sleeping with your DMU blanky.

 

[zdlamkin8195]

They sell DMU blankys???? Whaaaa

Seriously though, this forum doesn't need another post turned dumpster fire...

 

[flyhi]

Updated list:

1. NYCPM 0/73. 100%
2. DMU 3/44. 93%
3. Barry 4/52. 92.3%
4. Western 2/22. 91%
5. Temple 10/106. 90.6%
6. Kent 13/102. 87.3%
7.. AZPod 4/29. 86.4%
8. Scholl 17/100 83%

CSPM 5 unmatched

Is this still current? Should have been some movement with a few more spots opening up 🙂 Sorry if I missed it somewhere...

 

[Porkchop22]

Updated list:

1. NYCPM 0/73. 100%
2. DMU 3/44. 93%
3. Barry 4/52. 92.3%
4. Western 2/22. 91%
5. Temple 10/106. 90.6%
6. Kent 13/102. 87.3%
7.. AZPod 4/29. 86.4%
8. Scholl 17/100 83%

CSPM 5 unmatched

Is this still current? Should have been some movement with a few more spots opening up 🙂 Sorry if I missed it somewhere...

No clue where you got these AZPod numbers from. We had 32 people graduate. There are currently 3 people without a residency.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Updated list:

1. NYCPM 0/73. 100%
1. DMU 0/44. 100%
3. Barry 4/52. 92.3%
4. Western 2/22. 91%
5. Temple 10/106. 90.6%
6. Kent 13/102. 87.3%
7.. AZPod 4/29. 86.4%
8. Scholl 17/100 83%

CSPM 5 unmatched


Edit: am I losing my mind? I could have swore someone (Dtrack? Airbud?) Posted saying that DMU placed everyone... But now I can't find the post anywhere? Did I dream it? Was there an edit??

 

[Zalligan]

Edit: am I losing my mind? I could have swore someone (Dtrack? Airbud?) Posted saying that DMU placed everyone... But now I can't find the post anywhere? Did I dream it? Was there an edit??

I seent it somewhere as well. And AZPod should be 3/32 👍

 

[jonod1107]

So then it begs the reasoning that certain schools attract better students then...

Uhhhhh... No. The number of students each year in each school is set by the governing body of the pod committee ( don't know the exact name). So by statistics alone, the bigger schools are going to have accept more applicants and can't be as choosy. I don't know why you think it's the other way around, that the better applicants will choose the "better school." Let's not kid ourselves, 50% of Pod applicants know only the bare minimum About podiatry when they are applying. I really doubt anyone thinks that Des Moines or any other school has a reputation as a better pod school. Lol this isn't John Hopkins med school or Harvard law we are talking about here.

I'm sure most student choose schools based on location, cost, and many other reasons besides a schools reputation. Unless Des Moines suddenly invented the lower limb regeneration technique for an amputated foot within the last 24 hour

 

[DrRock44]

Uhhhhh... No. The number of students each year in each school is set by the governing body of the pod committee ( don't know the exact name). So by statistics alone, the bigger schools are going to have accept more applicants and can't be as choosy. I don't know why you think it's the other way around, that the better applicants will choose the "better school." Let's not kid ourselves, 50% of Pod applicants know only the bare minimum About podiatry when they are applying. I really doubt anyone thinks that Des Moines or any other school has a reputation as a better pod school. Lol this isn't John Hopkins med school or Harvard law we are talking about here.

I'm sure most student choose schools based on location, cost, and many other reasons besides a schools reputation. Unless Des Moines suddenly invented the lower limb regeneration technique for an amputated foot within the last 24 hour

concur. it is logical to assume that he top 25 students at all schools would have similar entering stats and that the bigger schools would have more "lesser qualified" students than say AZpod, that only takes like 40 or DMU that only takes around 50. they don't attract better students, they just don't have room for bottom feeders.

 

[OhEmGee]

random email we got this morning from the APMA

Still, as of May 31, 92 students-56 from the class of 2013 and a total of 36 from classes prior to 2013-have not been placed in a residency. As of June 1, sponsoring institutions have accepted only 10 of the 114 additional approved positions offered this year by the council to CPME-approved residency programs.

If circumstances do not change, the profession may see the total number of students without a residency reach 150 in 2014. The council and its staff have been involved in numerous substantive discussions related to the residency position shortage with students, members of the APMA House of Delegates and APMA Board of Trustees, college deans, residency program directors, private practitioners, and APMA staff. The various proposals and possible options resulting from these discussions have been wide ranging, but no immediate and effective fix is evident.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Uhhhhh... No. The number of students each year in each school is set by the governing body of the pod committee ( don't know the exact name). So by statistics alone, the bigger schools are going to have accept more applicants and can't be as choosy. I don't know why you think it's the other way around, that the better applicants will choose the "better school." Let's not kid ourselves, 50% of Pod applicants know only the bare minimum About podiatry when they are applying. I really doubt anyone thinks that Des Moines or any other school has a reputation as a better pod school. Lol this isn't John Hopkins med school or Harvard law we are talking about here.

I'm sure most student choose schools based on location, cost, and many other reasons besides a schools reputation. Unless Des Moines suddenly invented the lower limb regeneration technique for an amputated foot within the last 24 hour

concur. it is logical to assume that he top 25 students at all schools would have similar entering stats and that the bigger schools would have more "lesser qualified" students than say AZpod, that only takes like 40 or DMU that only takes around 50. they don't attract better students, they just don't have room for bottom feeders.

So.... I'm right... The smaller schools attract better students.... I don't care why or how they attract them, but by both of your reasonings, they still attract better students...


I think you're confusing what you wanted me to say with what I said. I never claimed any school was intrinsically better academically or otherwise, but merely the fact that certain schools attract better students. And I didn't even really posit that myself but it was a follow-up to something another poster said. By your own logic, you have indeed confirmed that certain schools attract better students. Is it because they are intrinsically better? Perhaps. Is it because they are smaller? Perhaps. But they attract better candidates regardless

 

[josebiwasabi]

there's a difference between attracting better candidates and not having room for less qualified ones.

the way you state it makes it seem like small schools are the only schools who have 3.7/30 types of students in their classes, which is simply false.

i would bet that the top 30 students of every school are roughly comparable.


i am currently transitioning into my clinical years and i can already see how much of it is up the individual. all of the 2014s went through the same 3rd year curriculum yet i saw vastly different competency levels as i shadowed. the student, not the school, determines their success.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

1. there's a difference between attracting better candidates and not having room for less qualified ones.

2. the way you state it makes it seem like small schools are the only schools who have 3.7/30 types of students in their classes, which is simply false.

1. Big expensive houses are attractive to everyone. Only rich people can afford them. Does that mean they aren't attractive to poor people? You're playing semantics on what the word "attractive" means in this context. Small schools attract/get/matriculate/whatever-you-want-to-call-it the better (whatever that means) students. Like AB said though, this is irrelevant.


2. I never said that?

 

[josebiwasabi]

1. Big expensive houses are attractive to everyone. Only rich people can afford them. Does that mean they aren't attractive to poor people? You're playing semantics on what the word "attractive" means in this context. Small schools attract/get/matriculate/whatever-you-want-to-call-it the better (whatever that means) students. Like AB said though, this is irrelevant.


2. I never said that?

1.
big expensive house = DMU
rich people = DMU matriculants/students
poor people = everyone else

DMU is a great school but you're really doing your school a disservice by making these crazy statements, especially when you haven't even started podiatry school yet.

here's a question i have for you. what is your definition of the term "better students"? i'm sure you have some sort of working definition for it since you've used it before on the forums.

2. you're right, you never explicitly stated that. but you imply it by making statements like "So then it begs the reasoning that certain schools attract better students then..."

 

[shadesofgrey]

Max its great that you think DMU is the greatest, just please shut up about it. This profession already has a big enough inferiority complex without further divisions over which school is perceived as "elite". As almost every pod student has basically said, all the schools will provide a hard working student with the education they need, and none of the schools provide a lazy student. Your enthusiastic support for DMU is in some ways admirable but right now it makes you seem more than a little arrogant.

Good luck and enjoy DMU next year...

 

[OhEmGee]

1. Big expensive houses are attractive to everyone. Only rich people can afford them. Does that mean they aren't attractive to poor people? You're playing semantics on what the word "attractive" means in this context. Small schools attract/get/matriculate/whatever-you-want-to-call-it the better (whatever that means) students. Like AB said though, this is irrelevant.

LOL big houses and poor people.

Az Pod has the highest entrance MCAT/GPA and the smallest class size. Yet the stats above say that they had the highest % of unmatched students. Looks like some of the better students from the small school wont be able to afford a big attractive house because they could not land a residency.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

1.
big expensive house = DMU
rich people = DMU matriculants/students
poor people = everyone else

DMU is a great school but you're really doing your school a disservice by making these crazy statements, especially when you haven't even started podiatry school yet.

here's a question i have for you. what is your definition of the term "better students"? i'm sure you have some sort of working definition for it since you've used it before on the forums.

2. you're right, you never explicitly stated that. but you imply it by making statements like "So then it begs the reasoning that certain schools attract better students then..."

1. I never mentioned DMU at all ever. Western and AZPOD both have class sizes smaller than DMU.... so I don't know where the DMU comment is coming from.
Also which of my claims have been crazy? It's not exactly a novel concept to suggest only rich people can afford expensive houses, but people from all socioeconomic backgrounds want them? Not sure what you're not grasping...

Also, I literally wrote "(whatever that means)" after the word "better" suggesting I clearly don't have a working definition of the word better... But, you quoted my post so you must have known that??


2. Did you read what you just wrote? You're quote from my "it begs the reasoning" is referring to the quoted text from another poster. That suggests it isn't my idea nor necessarily one I subscribe to, but rather, one would follow, using logic (hence the "it begs the reasoning that..."), that this auxiliary information is true based on your original post. That means it is not my idea, nor am I necessarily claiming it for my own, but rather if the initial quoted post is true, then this must be true also.... So no, I implied nothing of my own convictions in the post you quoted.

 

[ldsrmdude]

LOL big houses and poor people.

Az Pod has the highest entrance MCAT/GPA and the smallest class size. Yet the stats above say that they had the highest % of unmatched students. Looks like some of the better students from the small school wont be able to afford a big attractive house because they could not land a residency.

Not sure how you figured that AZPod was last. Even on the chart (which hasn't been updated apparently) AZPod didn't have the highest percentage of unmatched students. The updated chart should have AZPod pretty much in the middle. I think that this fact should give strength to the argument that success is more about the student than the school.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

LOL big houses and poor people.

Az Pod has the highest entrance MCAT/GPA and the smallest class size. Yet the stats above say that they had the highest % of unmatched students. Looks like some of the better students from the small school wont be able to afford a big attractive house because they could not land a residency.

I only followed the small school = better reasoning because that is what previous posters suggested is an "obvious" connection. That fact that these numbers might not add up suggests that class size isn't all that indicative of student performance, and there are other factors at play.... We'd have to statistically analyze class size vs match rate over multiple years/schools before I make any good conclusions though. Realistically though, I wouldn't be comfortable with these sample sizes... Only 9 schools and only 30ish students at AZPOD might be too small a sample to really draw "hard" conclusions...

 

[flyhi]

Updated list:

1. NYCPM 0/73. 100%
2. DMU 3/44. 93.2%
3. Barry 4/52. 92.3%
4. Western 2/22. 90.91%
5. AZPod 3/32. 90.63%
6. Temple 10/106. 90.57%
7. Kent 13/102. 87.3%
8. Scholl 17/100 83.0%

CSPM 5 unmatched

If someone can actually confirm DMU has placed everyone, then it will be changed to reflect

 

[willingdoc]

One of my friends interviewed at Scholl this week and the school told them that 10 students out of 86 didn't match, and that 4 of those students haven't passed step II yet. Can anyone confirm this because if true Scholl would look a lot better. Also if they had 100 students going into the match that would also mean that they basically had no attrition?

 

[EK18]

86? Sorry that number is wrong.

We got an official email from the faculty stating the class of 2013 class size was 100. At the time of he email 17 people didn't match. That was over a month ago at least.

It's possible some of those 17 un-matched students caught on with a program but I haven't heard any different.

He's mixing up the 2013 and 2012 matches. When I interviewed at Scholl (this was last October), all the interviewees received documents that stated what Scholl's match percentage of the class of 2012 was. It said that 76/86 students matched and that of those who did not match, 4 failed boards while 6 did not.

 

[willingdoc]

I see, so in a sense was admissions sort of misleading them by giving last year's match results instead of this year's?

 

[jonod1107]

I see, so in a sense was admissions sort of misleading them by giving last year's match results instead of this year's?

The application cycle opened in August of last year and the current match data didn't come out until March of this year. It's understandable for them to be using the same stats about the school from the last match cycle so I wouldn't say that they are intentionally misleading anyone.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

The application cycle opened in August of last year and the current match data didn't come out until March of this year. It's understandable for them to be using the same stats about the school from the last match cycle so I wouldn't say that they are intentionally misleading anyone.

What do you mean match data didn't come out until March... You don't think a school knows which of its students/graduates have gotten a residency?!

 

[jonod1107]

What do you mean match data didn't come out until March... You don't think a school knows which of its students/graduates have gotten a residency?!

Ok, here is the laid out explanation.

1. june-july 2012: Podiatry schools print out pamphlets, booklets and gathered data to be used for class of 2017 admission cycle.

2. Aug. 2012 : Application for class of 2017 admission cycle opens

3. March 2013: Match day for class of 2013.

So as you can see, schools can't use data from the 2013 match when they prepared all the info for admission back when the application cycle opened in Aug. 2012 since it didn't happen yet. So they use the data from the 2012 match.

And yes, for students that interviewed in the past few months, the 2013 match data was already out. But I doubt schools are printing out new pamphlets and data in the middle of the application cycle.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Ok, here is the laid out explanation.

1. june-july 2012: Podiatry schools print out pamphlets, booklets and gathered data to be used for class of 2017 admission cycle.

2. Aug. 2012 : Application for class of 2017 admission cycle opens

3. March 2013: Match day for class of 2013.

So as you can see, schools can't use data from the 2013 match when they prepared all the info for admission back when the application cycle opened in Aug. 2012 since it didn't happen yet. So they use the data from the 2012 match.

And yes, for students that interviewed in the past few months, the 2013 match data was already out. But I doubt schools are printing out new pamphlets and data in the middle of the application cycle.

I gotcha. I thought you were saying 2012 information was not released until March 2013.

Who knows what Scholl said, but it's not like they don't know what their 2013 match information is if someone asked. I find it dubious they'd intentional mislead anyone especially because the information given was 2012 information - not just made up numbers, but had the student asked for 2013 info they could have easily gotten it.

As a related note, the match "pamphlet" from Scholl was a sheet printed from Excel/Word, not some professionally printed brochure. That being said, it would be a little tedious to update that weekly if the numbers change. Not sure how much movement is really happening at this point though....

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Please keep posting. You make DMU look better with each post. Why dtrack or air bud haven't pmed you at this point is kind of crazy to me.

I didn't say anything mean about your school in this post...?

Also, I thought you didn't go out of your way to hate on me.... 🙄

 

[air bud]

or more bowel movements

 

[pacpod]

DMU officially confirmed 100% placement for the class of 2013.

 

[alright01]

The residency shortage is an issue, but you are not guaranteed to match in any medical profession. One thing to consider if you are sure you want to be a podiatrist is consider the strength of the faculty. Sometimes its not what you know, its who you know, and 8 people from Scholl matched in the scramble SOLELY because the faculty is strong there, and used their networking to get these kids matched. That's pretty significant. I'm not sure how many schools have faculty that are well known amongst podiatrists throughout the country and who can get you matched with a simple phone call. All the faculty cares, and they all pull out the stops to get you placed. If you are inadequate as a student (I'm not talking about your GPA here) then it's much harder to help you. But for the pre-podiatry kids who are sure this is the profession for them, consider the faculty at the places you interview. Talk to them, look at their credentials, look at their experience and what circles they roll in, and consider this for future placement opportunities. Also keep in mind, there are some residencies that are only open to certain schools. Barry has some I believe that will only accept Barry graduates, and Scholl has at least two that only accept Scholl graduates. Not sure about the other schools, but I'm sure they all have them. If you're truly worried then pay attention to these choices where your competition is only amongst your classmates. Hope this helps some of you.

 

[teracky]

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[MaxillofacialMN]

What is the fate of the unmatched grads? Do they just sit at home, cry, and wait to re-apply? What are the options for those people?

Some probably do that, but those are the ones that if they do reapply, they won't get anything.

A lot (?) will get official preceptorships with practicing podiatrists or just work in office with a podiatrist.

 

[pod101]

Off the top of my head...

preceptorship Or...

If you CAN defer payment by being in school...
1) Extend your graduation by doing research, try writing for grants...
2) Go for a masters program that you think will make you more marketable MHA/MPH perhaps?
3) Teaching and start working on an academic career
4) Do option 1-3 and during that time make as many connections as you can with residency directors

If you can't defer:
1) Teaching -> Income Based Repayments...You should qualify as a physics teacher.
2) PeaceCorps has a loan repayment policy for years of service (even if you are a pencil pusher or box stacker). I also noticed a year with the Peace Corps can make a good talking point during an interview.
3) See if you can arrange UN- licensed work with a local podiatrists that may have connections. Medical Assistants sometimes don't even have to have qualifications to work, missionary work also has special rules that allow you to do things that normally you couldn't in the USA (check your state's laws!).
4) JET program - year abroad and you get some money.

#2,987) if you think the future looks bleak try to join the military and use the GI repayment feature. You might be able to get work as a Warrent Officer or 1st LT pending on previous degrees.

I know these options probably suck. You went to school to be a doctor and anything short of that is unacceptable. These are just some options I could come up with in 5 minutes. I speak as a pre-pod whose gone through a 1 year unemployment phase while dealing with undergraduate-debt. It sucks but you have to move on. I would vote that the student organization spear heads a "no podiatrist left behind initiative" and puts lots of pressure on Podiatry Guild/APMA/Ankle Surgeons to make it happen now. Our profession needs at the very least a 10% surplus in residencies. Podiatry needs more future forecasting in the podiatry business plan.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

Are you a student? Faculty member? Class of 2014 hasn't received word of 8 students recently matching. If you could shed some light on that it would be informative for both current students and prospective. Otherwise it's hearsay. Thanks.

Does Alright's explanation of who he/she is change your perspective of the validity of the statement? This is the internet and people can say they are whoever they want.

If Alright said he heard it from his nephew's cousin's daughter's former roommate, then sure we can call it hearsay. Otherwise, it really doesn't matter what Alright's response is...

 

[darazon]

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[jonod1107]

The residency shortage is an issue, but you are not guaranteed to match in any medical profession. One thing to consider if you are sure you want to be a podiatrist is consider the strength of the faculty. Sometimes its not what you know, its who you know, and 8 people from Scholl matched in the scramble SOLELY because the faculty is strong there, and used their networking to get these kids matched. That's pretty significant. I'm not sure how many schools have faculty that are well known amongst podiatrists throughout the country and who can get you matched with a simple phone call. All the faculty cares, and they all pull out the stops to get you placed. If you are inadequate as a student (I'm not talking about your GPA here) then it's much harder to help you. But for the pre-podiatry kids who are sure this is the profession for them, consider the faculty at the places you interview. Talk to them, look at their credentials, look at their experience and what circles they roll in, and consider this for future placement opportunities. Also keep in mind, there are some residencies that are only open to certain schools. Barry has some I believe that will only accept Barry graduates, and Scholl has at least two that only accept Scholl graduates. Not sure about the other schools, but I'm sure they all have them. If you're truly worried then pay attention to these choices where your competition is only amongst your classmates. Hope this helps some of you.

Are you a Scholl Admin here to troll because if what you claim is true, then how come Scholl has the most percentage of unmatched out of all the other schools?

 

[teracky]

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[alright01]

I apologize if that post came off as if I was trying to be an advocate for Scholl...because I'm not posting for that reason, and that's not really what I was trying to convey. I was just trying to throw out a different perspective. It's just my personal opinion that faculty does make a difference in placement if you are forced to scramble due to the explanation I gave earlier. I was mostly trying to give a different opinion to prospective students so they don't shy away from something they truly want because of the shortage problem.

As far as "my facts", I was told on match day that 25 students were sent to scramble--8 of those matched within the first 5 days (approx) of the scramble from phone calls, leaving the current 17 unmatched (Sorry for confusion here...the 8 that matched was early in scramble and not recent). It's pretty openly discussed by faculty. Ankle Breaker, since you're a Scholl student (I think I saw this somewhere? I apologize if I'm incorrect) then I think you may already be aware of those 8 that benefited early in the scramble.

As far as Scholl having the lowest match percentage, well, I think you have to consider what those percentages mean. If you have 20 students at your school, and you match all 20, that doesn't seem that impressive to me (Not that 100% match isn't excellent, because it is!). But when you have 5 times as many students, and you match 80% then that means you matched at least 3 times more than what that other school matched! If you put the percentage into a more realistic context, then Scholl's match rate is up there with everyone else's as one of the highest. Taking numbers out of perspective makes them simply numbers.

 

[jonod1107]

I find it funny that all of a sudden, there are a huge amount of new users here downplaying scholl's match percentage. At the same time that Scholl's survey results from pre-pods that turned down their interview invite or choose to attend another pod school stated the number one reason for not choosing Scholl was due to the lowest match number....


And if you want to talk about big class size, then look at Kent and and Temple. Both have MORE students and a better match %.

 

[MaxillofacialMN]

If you put the percentage into a more realistic context, then Scholl's match rate is up there with everyone else's as one of the highest. Taking numbers out of perspective makes them simply numbers.

Lol wut.

Not sure if you're faculty at Scholl or not (sorta implied you are?), but you clearly don't teach math/statistics...Lol

 

[heybrother]

So is this list official and most up to date?
Because the lowest at 83% is not bad imo.

DMU matched everyone. There may be some confusion because a student posted it and then retracted it. However, another student posted about it and I eventually received a Dean newsletter confirming 100%.

 

[jonod1107]

I was searching for salary information and came upon this thread from 2009 that predicted the residency shortage. Can't believe how badly the ball was dropped.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=599576&highlight=salary&page=2

Is there any more updates? How are the proctor-ships working out and are there residency spots in the works?

 

[rainynights]

I am starting pod school next month. I agree, it is absolutely ludicrous that we have qualified people not matching.

Where is the leadership?

The sad reality is that everybody anticipates matching, but not everybody does.

The schools that have recently opened should not have been allowed to until the shortage was "fixed." It just shows you that money rules everything.

 

[dyk343]

Anyone have a link to the current number of students still unmatched? The "list" here is based off hearsay and is therefore inaccurate. To add my own hearsay, I know the numbers posted for the school I attend are not correct.

I can only find one from March that states 104 shortages. I know that it is less now. Many people have matched into programs since then.