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Is any Hispanic group/ethnicity excluded from the URM (underrepresented minority) category? Specifically, I'd like to know if Cuban-Americans are considered an URM? Thanks for the help.
 
Yes. Though based on your great stats you really don't need any kind of affirmative action boost.
 
somethinpositiv said:
Yes. Though based on your great stats you really don't need any kind of affirmative action boost.
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"Yes" as in they are excluded? or "Yes" as in they are included in the URM category? I'm not looking for an affirmative action boost (although, I don't mind it), but I heard from the dentist I'm shadowing that Cuban-Americans are not considered an URM. I wanted to confirm this.
 
affirmative action should be taken away. it is unfair that certain groups get a boost while others get nothing

edit- unless it is for financial reasons. but for simply being a certain Hispanic, that is not fair.
 
thethethe said:
affirmative action should be taken away. it is unfair that certain groups get a boost while others get nothing

edit- unless it is for financial reasons. but for simply being a certain Hispanic, that is not fair.
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Ya...you might wanna keep this out of the thread and stick to the question the OP posted.
 
Hispanic = underrepresented minority, cubans are hispanic so yes.
 
thethethe said:
affirmative action should be taken away. it is unfair that certain groups get a boost while others get nothing

edit- unless it is for financial reasons. but for simply being a certain Hispanic, that is not fair.
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This is a common misconception everywhere. The reason for affirmative action is that many minorites do not have the same opportuities that other races may have. I grant you that some do but the majority dont. How is it fair for you to have the best education, tutors, genes.. While minorites tend to be of the lower working class, and usually less educated. Thus, they have no guidance, no support, and have to be completely self motivated.


Affirmative action is used to even the playing field.

There is a reason children of doctors tend to be doctors..
 
dennisDDS said:
This is a common misconception everywhere. The reason for affirmative action is that many minorites do not have the same opportuities that other races may have. I grant you that some do but the majority dont. How is it fair for you to have the best education, tutors, genes.. While minorites tend to be of the lower working class, and usually less educated. Thus, they have no guidance, no support, and have to be completely self motivated.


Affirmative action is used to even the playing field.

There is a reason children of doctors tend to be doctors..
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I agree with the concept of Affirmative Action, but not how it is measured. AA should be based on Socio-Economic Status and not race/ethnicity. Using this method, a vast majority of people that would be helped would be URMs, especially blacks and hispanics. However, poor whites and poor asians would be helped as well, and well-off blacks and hispanics would not be helped, only the ones that are of a lower socio-economic status would be helped. THAT is leveling the playing field..

But that's neither here nor there.
 
dennisDDS said:
How is it fair for you to have the best education, tutors, genes..
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The best genes..? So URMs need help because they have inferior genes..?

WOW. You deserve the flaming that is presumably coming.
 
somethinpositiv said:
The best genes..? So URMs need help because they have inferior genes..?

WOW. You deserve the flaming that is presumably coming.
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Oh Come on.. You know what Im talking about..

Person A can only study a few hours a week and still pass with flying colors..

On the other hand, Person B studies 40+ hours a week and still ends up with a C..

(Pst.... Person B is usually an URM )

Why is this so?

I do agree with the concept of making it more for the economic disadvantaged.
 
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MiamiNole20 said:
Is any Hispanic group/ethnicity excluded from the URM (underrepresented minority) category? Specifically, I'd like to know if Cuban-Americans are considered an URM? Thanks for the help.
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Sorry for hijacking ur thread..

YES You are considered an URM and since I am hispanic too I did not mean to be offensive.

Your grades are awesome.
Im sure you will get into ur top choice good luck! 👍
 
dennisDDS said:
Oh Come on.. You know what Im talking about..

Person A can only study a few hours a week and still pass with flying colors..

On the other hand, Person B studies 40+ hours a week and still ends up with a C..

(Pst.... Person B is usually an URM )

Why is this so?

I do agree with the concept of making it more for the economic disadvantaged.
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So what are you saying, Black people are genetically predisposed to being stupid?? That is the most rediculous thing I ever heard of in my life.

The reason why they often do not do as well, is because in their communities, eduaction is not stressed. Going to the park and playing basketball is like the most important activity because most have aspirations of making it to the NBA. Furthermore, education begins when a child is young and the parents engrain in their child how important school is, however these communities often dont have parents, or their parents show little interest in them or school. Anybody can do well as long as they apply themselves properly, and therefore i think that the entire concept of affirmative action is just reverse desrimination and should be illegal.
 
Yes. But I strongly encourage to ask you not to think about it.

Many people think that students under URM are not as competitive as them. However, URMs who actully get into dental schools are more competitive than most people.

Therefore, try not to think about affirmative action stuffs. Although it seems not fair to someone, in the end it is not a big deal.
 
khpark129 said:
Yes. But I strongly encourage to ask you not to think about it.

Many people think that students under URM are not as competitive as them. However, URMs who actully get into dental schools are more competitive than most people.

Therefore, try not to think about affirmative action stuffs. Although it seems not fair to someone, in the end it is not a big deal.
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Hello, they have entire schools just devoted to minorities with non-competitve scores, i.e. Howard and Meharry Those two schools are a disgrace, and completely unethical and unfair.
 
I wonder how many poor white/asian students attend Howard and Meharry. Those schools are totally unfair because even though they are for disadvantaged students, I doubt they will take in any non black/spanish people.
If it were the other way around, lets say NYU ONLY took in whites, everybody would try to shut that school down.
 
This thread has to be closed. Turning into a bunch of asians/whites bashing on minority schools.
 
klutzy1987 said:
So what are you saying, Black people are genetically predisposed to being stupid?? That is the most rediculous thing I ever heard of in my life.

The reason why they often do not do as well, is because in their communities, eduaction is not stressed. Going to the park and playing basketball is like the most important activity because most have aspirations of making it to the NBA. Furthermore, education begins when a child is young and the parents engrain in their child how important school is, however these communities often dont have parents, or their parents show little interest in them or school. Anybody can do well as long as they apply themselves properly, and therefore i think that the entire concept of affirmative action is just reverse desrimination and should be illegal.
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I agree this thread has to be closed! lol

As far as yor question though I am Not saying that blacks have inferior genes. I mean when it comes to smarts! smarts! most (NOT ALL!) are extremely hard workers but usually do not score as high as non-urms. URMS meaning blacks, hispanics, indians.

And yes this idea was formulated from Dr. James Watson.

"Anybody can do well as long as they apply themselves properly"

I wish this were true, but sadly this is not true. A better line would be Anybody can do well as long as they are PERSISTENT!!
 
This is funny. You guys are keeping me entertained b/w classes. :corny:
 
If you've ever had a friend with the same educational and socioeconomic upbringing get a handful of interviews because he/she is a minority while you receive the same handful of rejections despite almost identical scores etc....you'd realize how ridiculous AA is

but agreed...this thread should be closed before it gets ugly in here
 
acgeorge said:
If you've ever had a friend with the same educational and socioeconomic upbringing get a handful of interviews because he/she is a minority while you receive the same handful of rejections despite almost identical scores etc....you'd realize how ridiculous AA is

but agreed...this thread should be closed before it gets ugly in here
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What you call ugly i call fun and interesting. I enjoy debating a topic lke this and learning other peoples opinkions on such a sesitive matter.
 
dennisDDS said:
As far as yor question though I am Not saying that blacks have inferior genes. I mean when it comes to smarts! smarts! most (NOT ALL!) are extremely hard workers but usually do not score as high as non-urms. URMS meaning blacks, hispanics, indians.
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Most URMs are extremely hard workers? May or may not be true.

Most URMs do not have "Smarts"? That's just racist.

By the way, Indians are not URMs. Native Americans are.
 
URM's in college do not have limited resources, because they have the full resources of a university. Libraries for free textbooks. TA's for free tutoring. Professor access during office hours. Academic advisors to guidance, and the same inept health advisors the rest of us have access to. And if they're really advantaged, the university'll give them grants under their aid plan for living expenses.
 
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There just are certain things in this world we have to accept whether or not we like it. Asians are genetically unable to play basketball. Whites...can't jump. Etc.
 
StudentDentist said:
There just are certain things in this world we have to accept whether or not we like it. Asians are genetically unable to play basketball. Whites...can't jump. Etc.
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Why don't you say what you're really trying to say 🙄

CAN THIS THREAD BE CLOSED OR MERGED WITH THE OTHER CRAP THREADS OF THIS NATURE?
 
Healthy Debate is always good for the mind :laugh:

It is not a matter of being racist..
Yes I am being extremely stereotypical, but sometimes there is some truth in those.

Certain nationalities are better at some things than others.
This is a fact of life even if you dont want to admit it and be "politically correct"
 
:corny::corny::corny::corny::corny:

Like 20% of the country is racist in some way though, so not surprised.
 
klutzy1987 said:
Hello, they have entire schools just devoted to minorities with non-competitve scores, i.e. Howard and Meharry Those two schools are a disgrace, and completely unethical and unfair.
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I agree with you that Howard and Meharry devoted to minorities. However, I still would like to emphasize that some of minorities work hard and get good grades and DAT scores. Although you may believe that it is not fair, life is not fair from the beginning.

BTW I am not offensive to anyone of you. If my posts offend you, I will delete my portions at least🙂.
 
I like this discussion, its nice to read what others think, if for no other reason it makes me smile.

On Watson being "racist" he has repeatedly explained what he was talking about and that article was immediately after the newspaper interview. If you read an article 1 hour after this one you would know what he was talking about. Or watched any of the interviews with him.
 
for all you people who are enjoying this discussion, you can thank me!! i spiced it up!

it's true, i enjoy reading these types of debating rather than reading about what are my chances.
 
thethethe said:
for all you people who are enjoying this discussion, you can thank me!! i spiced it up!

it's true, i enjoy reading these types of debating rather than reading about what are my chances.
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Is "spicing it up" another word for trolling?
 
Historically in this country AA was brought into place, b/c this country HAD a serious problem with RACE. In modern and future times, I don't see the need for AA anymore based on RACE. However, there should be action to help those that are TRULY ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED......despite race. It is disgraceful for minorities who are raised in middle/wealthy societies, attend expensive universities, and have the same resources as everyone else................to be using any form of AA. What happens to a white or asian person who grew up in a poor environment, with menial eduactional resources................no AA there? See my point? People should be proud of there racial backgrounds, denote it correctly on applications.......but it should no way influence acceptance rates. Now, despite race, if you worked hard to be competitive, and have risen out of a poor background with lesser educational opportunities, then look into programs.......but chances are, with your competitive stats, and good communication...........you'll get in anywhere anyway. My 2-cents.
 
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DRHOYA said:
Historically in this country AA was brought into place, b/c this country HAD a serious problem with RACE. In modern and future times, I don't see the need for AA anymore based on RACE. However, there should be action to help those that are TRULY ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED......despite race. It is disgraceful for minorities who are raised in middle/wealthy societies, attend expensive universities, and have the same resources as everyone else................to be using any form of AA. What happens to a white or asian person who grew up in a poor environment, with menial eduactional resources................no AA there? See my point? People should be proud of there racial backgrounds, denote it correctly on applications.......but it should no way influence acceptance rates. Now, despite race, if you worked hard to be competitive, and have risen out of a poor background with lesser educational opportunities, then look into programs.......but chances are, with your competitive stats, and good communication...........you'll get in anywhere anyway. My 2-cents.
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Off-topic to the OP, but well-said.
 
doc3232 said:
Off-topic to the OP, but well-said.
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lol. Of course it's off-topic.........most of the replies in this thread are off-topic. People can discuss and still civil.

To the OP though, the application doesn't have every single sub-category of every single race/ethnicity/country in existance..........If you fall under the hispanic/lation category, then select it on the application. I wouldn't worry too much about it. You'll get in with good stats and a good mind regardless.
 
dr hoya!

your words are gold!!!! that is exactly what i feel
 
DRHOYA said:
Historically in this country AA was brought into place, b/c this country HAD a serious problem with RACE. In modern and future times, I don't see the need for AA anymore based on RACE. However, there should be action to help those that are TRULY ECONOMICALLY DISADVANTAGED......despite race. It is disgraceful for minorities who are raised in middle/wealthy societies, attend expensive universities, and have the same resources as everyone else................to be using any form of AA. What happens to a white or asian person who grew up in a poor environment, with menial eduactional resources................no AA there? See my point? People should be proud of there racial backgrounds, denote it correctly on applications.......but it should no way influence acceptance rates. Now, despite race, if you worked hard to be competitive, and have risen out of a poor background with lesser educational opportunities, then look into programs.......but chances are, with your competitive stats, and good communication...........you'll get in anywhere anyway. My 2-cents.
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What menial educational resources are you referring to? As if the economically disadvantaged truely have fewer resources. Public high schools are free, and everybody goes to the same school. Public libraries are free, and if you've ever been inside one (even those in the inner city) there's free internet access, lots of career books, standardized exam books for every profession known to man, free DVD rental, books on tape, and close to every single book short of the Library of Congress. Go to a university library and you'll see nothing like this.

The argument that the poor have fewer resouces is largely unsupported. The public system has more resources than those rich private institutions. The difference is that the floors aren't made of marble.
 
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klutzy1987 said:
Hello, they have entire schools just devoted to minorities with non-competitve scores, i.e. Howard and Meharry Those two schools are a disgrace, and completely unethical and unfair.
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Who else is going to be a Dentist in the hood? I bet you're not. These URMs might come from the inner city, go to schools like Howard and Meharry, and return to serve the inner city community. Thus, there's a reason for those schools to exist.
 
StudentDentist said:
What menial educational resources are you referring to? As if the economically disadvantaged truely have fewer resources. Public high schools are free, and everybody goes to the same school. Public libraries are free, and if you've ever been inside one (even those in the inner city) there's free internet access, lots of career books, standardized exam books for every profession known to man, free DVD rental, books on tape, and close to every single book short of the Library of Congress. Go to a university library and you'll see nothing like this.

The argument that the poor have fewer resouces is largely unsupported. The public system has more resources than those rich private institutions. The difference is that the floors aren't made of marble.
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I agree, but what they don't have is the importance of education ingrained in them by their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and so forth. That is the real difference. Us people in the "majority" need to quit worrying about what's "fair" and deal with it.

Having said that, I do agree with giving advantage to those that are truly academically or economically disadvantaged regardless of race. There are plenty of hispanic and black people that have had the same life and come from the same background as me. I don't think they should be getting handouts over me but there is nothing I can do except work harder.
 
somethinpositiv said:
Who else is going to be a Dentist in the hood? I bet you're not. These URMs might come from the inner city, go to schools like Howard and Meharry, and return to serve the inner city community. Thus, there's a reason for those schools to exist.
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Typically, people try to escape the hood. Very few people prefer to place themselves in a situation where their safety is compromised.
 
StudentDentist said:
Typically, people try to escape the hood. Very few people prefer to place themselves in a situation where their safety is compromised.
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How many dentists do you know that live in the hood. Usually the dentists strive to graduate that lowlife comunity and move into the upper class. The dentist is not going back there after he graduates, the hood is all uneducated, i live like a half hour away from one and it is scary to go near there when there are no police around.
 
klutzy1987 said:
How many dentists do you know that live in the hood. Usually the dentists strive to graduate that lowlife comunity and move into the upper class. The dentist is not going back there after he graduates, the hood is all uneducated, i live like a half hour away from one and it is scary to go near there when there are no police around.
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Yeah but I think an earlier post was referring to dentists practicing in the hood.
 
Meharry and Howard doesn't train dentists who want to go back to the inner city. They train black dentists, brilliant or dumb, rich or poor.

Very few people would put themselves in harm's way. They may want to help others, but they'd rather live.
 
StudentDentist said:
Meharry and Howard doesn't train dentists who want to go back to the inner city. They train black dentists, brilliant or dumb, rich or poor.

Very few people would put themselves in harm's way. They may want to help others, but they'd rather live.
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That is such a ridiculous post. I know an oral surgeon that grew up in the "hood", went to school, and know is back in the "hood" practicing and treating many of the people that she grew up with.
 
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