URMs Accepted/Interview Invite This Cycle

[BirdIsTheWord]

Don't judge me!!

And yes, thanks to jdok, I found what I was looking for

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[axon11]

Is it actually proven that adcoms are more lenient towards minorities in the US? This is actually quite interesting because here in Canada, you have to meet a certain GPA and/or MCAT cut-off to have you're file reviewed or be granted an interview.

 

[Mount Sinai]

Is it actually proven that adcoms are more lenient towards minorities in the US? This is actually quite interesting because here in Canada, you have to meet a certain GPA and/or MCAT cut-off to have you're file reviewed or be granted an interview.

Does every school do that in Canada. Here is the US, very few school do cut-offs as a requisite for an interview invite.

 

[LizzyM]

This.

"LizzyM Nude photos"...I literally laughed out loud in the middle of lecture right now and still trying to hold my laugh in. Jesus christ lol!

If you could have clicked on that tab, you really would have laughed.

 

[BirdIsTheWord]

It saddens me to see that this garbage of a thread is still active.

You need a hug or something? Who are you mad at? The OP who didn't want to start an argument or the posters who posted some things that led to it.

Get real.

 

[BirdIsTheWord]

If you could have clicked on that tab, you really would have laughed.

Haha I didn't know you were so popular! Is that how you paid for med school/college?

 

[Stumpyman]

You need a hug or something? Who are you mad at? The OP who didn't want to start an argument or the posters who posted some things that led to it.

Get real.

You don't get a say on this anymore, you just out-perved Knocked Up.

 

[BirdIsTheWord]

Hahaha I couldn't help it, don't hate

 

[Knocked Up]

You don't get a say on this anymore, you just out-perved Knocked Up.

 

[rofl]

Feels good being a URM.

brb getting into every single school I apply to next summer.

Non-URMs, you mad?

Yeah you mad.

Please Respond.

Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

 

[Stumpyman]

Are you aware that there are people in this world that have a severe medical condition which causes them to be that way? My mother for instance is one of those people. She is a truck driver that has bad knees and a bad back from driving the truck but you probably do not care about that case either. Oh well I am not one of those people I am 6'4" 245lbs and I exercise every day. I would love to see you say something like to my mother in front of me. Probably never happen though you are probably just an internet tough guy. I doubt very seriously you would say that to someones face. Just my thought.What do you think. Oh I am sorry you probably do not have a brain. I on the other hand will be happy to buy you a plane ticket to come here and see if you have the nerve to say that to someone I know.

How is this relevant to not just this thread, but ANY thread on SDN??

 

[Smachadams]

Lets be honest here.. I'm an URM, so I'm not being racist when I say that people who are URM's don't have to do as well to get into medical school.. I dont understand why its taboo for a non-URM to say that. I don't see it as racist..ITS TRUE. The truth is that alot of URM's don't have excuses to get the lower scores that they do...but they still get the advantage.. I can see why people would be pissed off.

 

[Smachadams]

I give you an 'A' for effort. I bet my last $2 that you are NOT a URM.

You owe me 2 dollars son.

Im main-island puertorican, lived here all my life.

I just blew your mind...

 

[GS Mikami]

My experience interviewing tells me that the extra advantage URMs get for med school is way overblown by SDN.

We were 52 people at my baylor interview. There were only 2 people who will qualify as URM by ethnicity, a black dude from texas and me, and I'm not URM. After going to 11 interviews, I counted about 3 African Americans and 4 hipanic interviewees from around 200+ interviewees that I saw. When you really think about it, around 10% or less of a class in each med school is classified as URM.

Nobody is stealing anyones spot in this game. If you want an acceptance, you have to earn it. Period.

 

[Wisdomphilia]

Lets be honest here.. I'm an URM, so I'm not being racist when I say that people who are URM's don't have to do as well to get into medical school.. I dont understand why its taboo for a non-URM to say that. I don't see it as racist..ITS TRUE. The truth is that alot of URM's don't have excuses to get the lower scores that they do...but they still get the advantage.. I can see why people would be pissed off.

Alot as in you??
I'll give you an "easy" E.Don't worry you'll still get in right??

 

[ppfizenm]

let's do a thread for all the rich kids whose daddies are doctors... how many of them got in? Bet you there's more of those than URM's. At even the most diverse schools blacks and hispanics make up like 10% so... am I supposed to feel sorry for the people on here complaining?

You should feel sorry for the people who are disadvantaged but don't receive any special statuses that account for their situation.

 

[MayoorBust]

My experience interviewing tells me that the extra advantage URMs get for med school is way overblown by SDN.

We were 52 people at my baylor interview. There were only 2 people who will qualify as URM by ethnicity, a black dude from texas and me, and I'm not URM. After going to 11 interviews, I counted about 3 African Americans and 4 hipanic interviewees from around 200+ interviewees that I saw. When you really think about it, around 10% or less of a class in each med school is classified as URM.

Nobody is stealing anyones spot in this game. If you want an acceptance, you have to earn it. Period.

GS Mikami is right URMs are not taking anybody's spot. I have counted one AA and maybe four hispanics during my seven interviews. You really do have to earn your spot. Believe it or not URMs get rejected too.

I reality my life story has played more into my success than my skin color.

/end thread


Mikami, what did you think about Baylor?


Mods please move this thread to the correct location. Here, it will only ignite a debate more suitable for the sociopolitical section of this forum.

 

[theWUbear]

You should feel sorry for the people who are disadvantaged but don't receive any special statuses that account for their situation.

There's a "disadvantaged" button on AMCAS for that..................

 

[ppfizenm]

There's a "disadvantaged" button on AMCAS for that..................

There really isn't b/c it doesn't qualify.

 

[theWUbear]

There really isn't

No, there is.

 

[ppfizenm]

No, there is.

I'm not talking about the category-less button that says do you consider yourself disadvantaged. I'm talking about URM.

 

[theWUbear]

I'm not talking about the category-less button that says do you consider yourself disadvantaged. I'm talking about URM.

You should feel sorry for the people who are disadvantaged but don't receive any special statuses

It seems you were talking about disadvantaged people, for which there is the "disadvantaged" button

 

[ppfizenm]

Pretty sure you were talking about disadvantaged people, for which there is the "disadvantaged" button

Anyone can call themselves disadvantaged but if your reason isn't an accepted one (I think I remember them being financial and (possibly) something to do with being form a medically undeserved area) then they are just going to view you as someone with a victim complex.

 

[gettheleadout]

How is this relevant to not just this thread, but ANY thread on SDN??

copy pasta

 

[jessiemsy]

Anyone can call themselves disadvantaged but if your reason isn't an accepted one (I think I remember them being financial and (possibly) something to do with being form a medically undeserved area) then they are just going to view you as someone with a victim complex.

well... yeah.. what else would make you disadvantaged?

 

[ilovelanguages]

Anyone can call themselves disadvantaged but if your reason isn't an accepted one (I think I remember them being financial and (possibly) something to do with being form a medically undeserved area) then they are just going to view you as someone with a victim complex.

sounds like they'd be spot on with you

 

[AZFutureDoc]

It saddens me to see that this garbage of a thread is still active.

Good, good. Let the butthurt flow through you.

 

[sector9]

Good, good. Let the butthurt flow through you.

Did someone say butthurt?

 

[BirdIsTheWord]

Good, good. Let the butthurt flow through you.

 

[cambme]

I like you.

Ha thanks. I like you too

 

[therunner12]

My experience interviewing tells me that the extra advantage URMs get for med school is way overblown by SDN.

We were 52 people at my baylor interview. There were only 2 people who will qualify as URM by ethnicity, a black dude from texas and me, and I'm not URM. After going to 11 interviews, I counted about 3 African Americans and 4 hipanic interviewees from around 200+ interviewees that I saw. When you really think about it, around 10% or less of a class in each med school is classified as URM.

Nobody is stealing anyones spot in this game. If you want an acceptance, you have to earn it. Period.

I'm sorry but this just isn't true.

I have a friend that I went ot high school with: 3.6 and a 29 (11-7-11). He declared hispanic and has recieved an interview from every single Texas medical school. He is 1/8th Hispanic and grew up in the same upper middle class neighborhood as me.

 

[theseeker4]

I'm sorry but this just isn't true.

I have a friend that I went ot high school with: 3.6 and a 29 (11-7-11). He declared hispanic and has recieved an interview from every single Texas medical school. He is 1/8th Hispanic and grew up in the same upper middle class neighborhood as me.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything. I am sure there are at least a few people here who could say "my friend is black, has a 3.8 and a 32 mcat and didn't even get an interview." URM is one part of an application consisting of GPA, MCAT, state residency, LOR's, essays, transcripts, etc. No non-URM is going to be kept out of med schools because URM's are given preference, though there are many who will blame that for their inability to gain admission....

 

[kpcrew]

Anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything. I am sure there are at least a few people here who could say "my friend is black, has a 3.8 and a 32 mcat and didn't even get an interview." URM is one part of an application consisting of GPA, MCAT, state residency, LOR's, essays, transcripts, etc. No non-URM is going to be kept out of med schools because URM's are given preference, though there are many who will blame that for their inability to gain admission....

that's not what it's about. it's about being held to a higher standard for no reason other than your ethnicity. look at what happened to the UC system after a court decision made admissions race blind. i understand the desire to have students from different backgrounds but it's feels pretty unfair to not be treated equally for circumstances that are beyond my control.

 

[theseeker4]

that's not what it's about. it's about being held to a higher standard for no reason other than your ethnicity. look at what happened to the UC system after a court decision made admissions race blind. i understand the desire to have students from different backgrounds but it's feels pretty unfair to not be treated equally for circumstances that are beyond my control.

I don't disagree with this. There is, however, blatant jealousy and sour grapes visible in many of the anti-URM posts. Personally, I think race shouldn't be a factor at all, and the decision should be based simply on application strength. Realistically, some consideration for disadvantaged status is also valuable, but factoring in race despite the fact that some URM's come from more privileged backgrounds than some non-URM's adds no value. The issue I was pointing out is, while a URM with lower stats may be admitted before a non-URM, if someone fails to get in they have a lot of other things they should look at before blaming URM admission practices.

 

[MayoorBust]

Moderators,

Why have you not moved this forum to either the urm section of the forum of the sociopolitical section?

 

[sector9]

that's not what it's about. it's about being held to a higher standard for no reason other than your ethnicity. look at what happened to the UC system after a court decision made admissions race blind. i understand the desire to have students from different backgrounds but it's feels pretty unfair to not be treated equally for circumstances that are beyond my control.

You must be about applicants from states where it's easy to get in. You know, states where they accept only in-state residents at the med school, accepting students with much lower grades, MCATs, and ECs than the general accepted pool. And only because their parents decided to move to that state prior to their birth. Circumstances completely beyond your control yet they get a leg up in the admissions process.

Oh wait. You're not, you're just racist

 

[kpcrew]

I don't disagree with this. There is, however, blatant jealousy and sour grapes visible in many of the anti-URM posts. Personally, I think race shouldn't be a factor at all, and the decision should be based simply on application strength. Realistically, some consideration for disadvantaged status is also valuable, but factoring in race despite the fact that some URM's come from more privileged backgrounds than some non-URM's adds no value. The issue I was pointing out is, while a URM with lower stats may be admitted before a non-URM, if someone fails to get in they have a lot of other things they should look at before blaming URM admission practices.

Well when you look at the history of admission practices, you see that Ivy League schools used many different strategies to keep the number of Jews in each entering class low. When you see the same thing happening to you, of course there will be sour grapes. There are a finite number of medical school spots and as we know, fewer than half of the number of applicants will earn a spot in a medical school. When you see someone with similar stats get many interviews and acceptances and are a member of a URM, you can't help but be unhappy. Of course this ignores the intangibles, but do you really think that it's plausible that there are large differences in these between different ethnicities?

You must be about applicants from states where it's easy to get in. You know, states where they accept only in-state residents at the med school, accepting students with much lower grades, MCATs, and ECs than the general accepted pool. And only because their parents decided to move to that state prior to their birth. Circumstances completely beyond your control yet they get a leg up in the admissions process.

Oh wait. You're not, you're just racist

Because you know, state residents don't pay state taxes. People don't tend to live in the state in which they've lived their whole lives. They won't practice in a place where they can serve their own communities. I applied to New York schools out of convenience and because I can't afford to go flying around the country. I would love to attend U Mass but they don't accept out of state students. Going to a California school would be amazing. But no, my thinking is just as shallow as you portray it yes that must be it. I must be racist because I described what I've noticed on AAMC stats and mdapplicants.com

 

[TriagePreMed]

Feels good being a minority. Take for example me. I haven't done any pre-reqs and went to junior college and DeVry, yet here I am sitting with no EC and an acceptance to Cornell and Columbia. I feel that if I actually apply, Harvard will take me with no reservations. Okay, keep hating. I'll just go back home and get my yacht that the government gives me for being a minority. Also, my dad, like all minorities, is rich, so my trust fund will pay for Harvard. Stupid non-URM having to actually do work.

And while we're at it, we all know that...

3.7 = so-so doctor
3.8 = good doctor
3.9 = great doctor
4.0 = excellent, god status doctor.

 

[Will2Survive]

Feels good being a minority. Take for example me. I haven't done any pre-reqs and went to junior college and DeVry, yet here I am sitting with no EC and an acceptance to Cornell and Columbia. I feel that if I actually apply, Harvard will take me with no reservations. Okay, keep hating. I'll just go back home and get my yacht that the government gives me for being a minority. Also, my dad, like all minorities, is rich, so my trust fund will pay for Harvard. Stupid non-URM having to actually do work.

And while we're at it, we all know that...

3.7 = so-so doctor
3.8 = good doctor
3.9 = great doctor
4.0 = excellent, god status doctor.

lawllllllllll that was funny. i love urm threads.

 

[AZFutureDoc]

 

[BirdIsTheWord]

He does it again folks.

Seriously, you can't change the system by ranting on every URM thread you see.

 

[sector9]

Because you know, state residents don't pay state taxes. People don't tend to live in the state in which they've lived their whole lives. They won't practice in a place where they can serve their own communities. I applied to New York schools out of convenience and because I can't afford to go flying around the country. I would love to attend U Mass but they don't accept out of state students. Going to a California school would be amazing. But no, my thinking is just as shallow as you portray it yes that must be it. I must be racist because I described what I've noticed on AAMC stats and mdapplicants.com

We all know how premeds have paid enough taxes to warrant the subsidization of their medical education

Percent of medical school graduates planning on working in an underserved community

White: 18% said yes, 42% said no, 40% undecided
Asian: 15% said yes, 37% said no, 48% undecided
Black: 50% said yes, 10% said no, 39% undecided
Hispanic: 33% said yes, 23% said no, 44% undecided

Source: Figure 31, AAMC Publication "Minorities in Medical Education, Facts & Figures 2005" https://members.aamc.org/eweb/Dynam..._prd_key=FE72A5D8-BEB9-4E30-8C83-64F2A4BD1585

So until you start providing a way to increase the number of physicians in underserved areas by accepting more asians and whites, your little whining fit about URM's isn't going anywhere

 

[libraryismyhome]

We all know how premeds have paid enough taxes to warrant the subsidization of their medical education

Percent of medical school graduates planning on working in an underserved community

White: 18% said yes, 42% said no, 40% undecided
Asian: 15% said yes, 37% said no, 48% undecided
Black: 50% said yes, 10% said no, 39% undecided
Hispanic: 33% said yes, 23% said no, 44% undecided

Source: Figure 31, AAMC Publication "Minorities in Medical Education, Facts & Figures 2005" https://members.aamc.org/eweb/Dynam..._prd_key=FE72A5D8-BEB9-4E30-8C83-64F2A4BD1585

So until you start providing a way to increase the number of physicians in underserved areas by accepting more asians and whites, your little whining fit about URM's isn't going anywhere

Sorry folks, I was extremely upset about my circumstance and had lost myself yesterday. However, you only weaken your argument by showing those statistics, because 33% and 50% are still very low or barely half.


I found a perfect video describing the circumstance for Asian applicants. The only wish I have is to just play Mario at the same level as others. [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdTc61lZQc&feature=channel_video_title[/YOUTUBE]

 

[theWUbear]

I'm sorry but this just isn't true.

I have a friend that I went ot high school with: 3.6 and a 29 (11-7-11). He declared hispanic and has recieved an interview from every single Texas medical school. He is 1/8th Hispanic and grew up in the same upper middle class neighborhood as me.

that's not what it's about. it's about being held to a higher standard for no reason other than your ethnicity. look at what happened to the UC system after a court decision made admissions race blind. i understand the desire to have students from different backgrounds but it's feels pretty unfair to not be treated equally for circumstances that are beyond my control.

stop complaining; it's pathetic

 

[Ormm]

Sorry folks, I was extremely upset about my circumstance and had lost myself yesterday. However, you only weaken your argument by showing those statistics, because 33% and 50% are still very low or barely half.


I found a perfect video describing the circumstance for Asian applicants. The only wish I have is to just play Mario at the same level as others. [YOUTUBE]YzdTc61lZQc[/YOUTUBE]

At 3:16 Mario sacrificed Yoshi to get further into the level. Are you sure this is the perfect video describing your circumstance?

 

[AZFutureDoc]

Wow! This is what I call cream of the crop. And you folks are heading for med school??? LOL

I can't believe that this thread hasn't been locked.

 

[high5]

just from my experience...i know a lot of URMs who got in with less than amazing stats, but hearing their stories, challenges they had to overcome, being the first to go to college...all that, i understand why they deserve it. once they get in...they might struggle at first but ultimately become really important members of the class and awesome doctors. if i didn't get in to medschool, growing up in a suburb where both my parents were pretty knowledgeable about college and further schooling...it would be my own fault...not b/c some URM who had to deal with a lot more challenges than me took the seat.

obvi some ppl might get URM status that might not really have had to deal with those challenges, but still...you gotta worry about yourself, it doesn't matter what someone else got in with lower stats or a worse application than yourself...if you're not getting in anywhere -- there's probably some improvements somewhere that need to be made...starting with the mindset of focusing on other people instead of your own case. same thing in medschool - some ppl study hella hard, some are just geniuses...it doesn't matter...worry bout yourself and what you gotta do...

 

[Stumpyman]

just from my experience...i know a lot of URMs who got in with less than amazing stats, but hearing their stories, challenges they had to overcome, being the first to go to college...all that, i understand why they deserve it. once they get in...they might struggle at first but ultimately become really important members of the class and awesome doctors. if i didn't get in to medschool, growing up in a suburb where both my parents were pretty knowledgeable about college and further schooling...it would be my own fault...not b/c some URM who had to deal with a lot more challenges than me took the seat.

obvi some ppl might get URM status that might not really have had to deal with those challenges, but still...you gotta worry about yourself, it doesn't matter what someone else got in with lower stats or a worse application than yourself...if you're not getting in anywhere -- there's probably some improvements somewhere that need to be made...starting with the mindset of focusing on other people instead of your own case. same thing in medschool - some ppl study hella hard, some are just geniuses...it doesn't matter...worry bout yourself and what you gotta do...

You don't have to be an URM to go through hardships. I know plenty of caucasians, asians, etc. who have had a lot of struggles.

Admissions should just be equalized....

 

[sector9]

Sorry folks, I was extremely upset about my circumstance and had lost myself yesterday. However, you only weaken your argument by showing those statistics, because 33% and 50% are still very low or barely half.

At minimum, these numbers are double those of non-URMs. It doesn't weaken any argument besides your own since you haven't provided an alternative to increasing the number of physicians in underserved areas

 

[theWUbear]

I know plenty of caucasians, asians, etc. who have had a lot of struggles.

You mean...disadvantaged people? ....for which, there is...the disadvantaged button? For the love of God this thread goes in cycles, mods need to close it. Mods should have upheld TOS and discouraged trolling and hijacking