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  1. DubbiDoctor

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    Have the step 1 scores for the ranked schools on US News' 2019 list been updated? I asked this on the official thread but received no response. If they have, can a kind, altruistic subscriber post the scores for the top 25?
     
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  3. DubbiDoctor

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    An awesome individual provided me with this list. Way to go Mayo!
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    Do you know what year this data is from? does it say if it's based on students who took Step 1 in 2016 or 2017?
     
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    Many schools are missing in that ranking. UCF 238, FIU 239.
     
  6. RockMcat520

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    Does anyone have Dartmouth and MCW Step 1 score?
     
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    Anyone have the whole updated listed and is kind enough to share it? :cat:
     
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    Interesting that the top 15 or so are all privates. Not saying that privates are inherently better med schools, just thinking that they’re probably just more likely to be MCAT score conscious to begin with and there’s probably a correlation between high MCAT scores and high step scores.
     
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    Looks to me like it’s the USNWR T25 put in order of step one. That would explain those two missing, as well as others like U Cincy


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    Dartmouth 227; MCW 234
     
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    It also leaves out Missouri, which has a surprisingly high step 1. It's like a 239 or something.
     
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    wow im surprised MCW has high step 1 score!! especially higher than Dartmouth
     
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    Digging around, others have listed a few other highs and lows of note: Cincy 238, UCI 236, Hofstra 236, USC 235, Rochester 232, UMass 231, Gtown 228, GWU 225
     
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    I was also sent these graphs showing a strong correlation between average MCAT and GPA and step 1 scores:

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    Anyone got any step 1 scores for Miami last year
     
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    This is an interesting study - Do MCAT scores predict USMLE scores? An analysis on 5 years of medical student data

    From the discussion:
    "Each of the MCAT component scores was significantly associated with USMLE Step 1 and Step 2 CK scores, although the effect size was small. Being in the top or bottom scoring range of the MCAT exam was predictive of being in the top or bottom scoring range of the USMLE exams, although the strengths of the associations were weak to moderate."
     
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    This is impressive for a state school! Do you have a link for these two?
     
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    What's interesting to me is how for many top schools, the range of MCAT scores accepted hovers from ~94th-98th percentile, which is obviously very competitive. Yet, when we turn to Step 1, the highest reported scores of the bunch—240-245—represent the 70th-78th percentile. Step 1 is supposed to be harder than the MCAT, right? So that makes sense. Still an interesting drop in percentiles, but I'm sure their not directly comparable in reality.
     
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    Well tbf, 70-80th percentile is impressive considering these MD students are competing only against other US MD students - that's how the percentiles are determined. For the MCATs, the research-heavy schools have students scoring in the >95th percentile among all people taking the test, many of whom do not matriculate to US MD programs.
     
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    The association is moderate at best.
     
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    I mean, the exams arent really comparable in that way. Also the testing populations are very different. 90th percentile MCAT is top 10% of all MCAT test-takers. 80th percentile Step 1 is top 20% of all Step 1 takers (the vast majority of whom were clustered in and around the top 15% or so of MCAT test takers).
     
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    I don't think it's about harder/easier test, it's percentiles so the relative rarity stays the same. A 265 step1 is exactly as common, relative to the pool, as a 38 MCAT. It's the absolute numbers I think, that start becoming more important.

    Say you're a school like WashU for example and you want to hit a top 1% median. Not too hard to do when that means filling 60 seats drawing from 1,000 test takers with that score (many more than needed even after accounting for the fractions that will have low GPAs, won't apply to midwestern schools, etc).

    Now look at something like ENT. The median for matched is "only" at the 84th percentile...but the year had 358 applicants for 304 spots. The typical ENT program can't demand that their seats be filled by top 1% or top 5% step 1 scores while still asking for the rest of the package. Their seats would go empty. When you're dealing with a small absolute number of top x% scores, most of whom won't be interested in a given competitive specialty, it's just not possible to keep the typical percentiles the same as we see with competitive MD admissions.
     
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    That's an interesting point. I would imagine for residency programs with far more seats (e.g., IM), you probably see a similar phenomenon as MD admissions in relation to test scores (in the sense that the top programs have their pick of high scorers).
     
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    yeah the top IM programs have very high Step scores; although overall IM is less competitive than say derm, it's just as competitive if you want to get into IM at one of the best programs.

    There's also some self-selection that goes into this process. For example if someone is interested in both derm and IM, but they end up with a Step score that isn't competitive for derm, they may not bother applying derm and just do IM instead.
     
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    I think you got your MCAT vs. Step 1 analogy screwed up.

    MCAT % is based on all takers of the exam. Of those 100% who took MCAT and applied to US medical schools, only 40% will get in.

    According to new MSRA data, average MCAT for matriculants in US medical school is 511. That 511 would put you in 50% of all medical student.

    If your entire class score 80% average on Step 1 amongst all US students, that means your entire class probably score on the top 20% of all medical schools MCAT scores, which will be 92-94 percentile or 515/516 on the new MCAT, or 35/36 on the old MCAT for the entire class.

    Not too shabby.
     
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    Sorry @icedude2010 - Just saw your question. Miami reported 232.
     
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    No worries, thanks for the info!
     
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    Is there any data on the U of OK?
     
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    Here's something I'm curious about: my school's step score as apparently reported on US News is three points lower than what our school told us the average was. And obviously it wouldn't be surprising that a school was inflating it's step score to look better...but why not be honest with the people who are already students there? Not like the difference between a 238 and a 241 is a huge deal, but I'm still curious why they didn't just tell us 238.
     
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    Likely different years. Your school has data from the most recent group to take it. US News is probably a year behind them. Going up or down 2-3 points between years is common
     
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    What’s the national average?

    Also does anyone’s have step 1 scores from USNews for UIC, Rush, Creighton, and Quinnipiac?
     
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    Only State schools in States with relatively small populations. They have relatively low MCAT medians as well.
     
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    yeah this is definitely it. what's reported for my school is also 3 points lower than what we were told from the class that most recently took Step 1
     
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    Indiana is 233, Ohio is 234, UIC is 230
     
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    anyone have USF?
     
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    So next year Mayo is going to show 248?
     
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    anyone have the scores for evms or slu?
     
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    Last year Drexel had a 233.
     
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    These numbers are not very helpful . Step 1 score is heavily dependent on self studying
     
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    Why is University of Washington so low (224) when it's a top 20 school??
     
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    They recruit their student body very differently than other top 20s. Instead of pulling a bunch of very high-stats kids from all over the country, they're focused on admitting residents of Washington and a few neighboring states. As a result their MCAT/GPA is usually a lot lower than similarly ranked schools. For example right now it is 510/3.65 while the school ranked next to it (Yale) is 521/3.89

    Their interview rates are also a ton more generous. They interviewed 50% of instate applicants last year. Compare to UCLA which interviewed 9%.
     
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    every year it's the same thread
     
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    People at Dell are reporting that the Step 1 avg for the first class will be 249.
     
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    Crazy if true, considering their median stats aren't that high. Did you hear this from the administration at an interview?
     
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    Nah, several current students. and it was mean, fixed
     
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    And r^2 of 0.6 is not a strong correlation
     
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    For those wondering, Drexel average was 232.
     
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    A few thoughts
    1) if you want to play around with STEP scores and other factors by specialty, there is an NRMP interactive data tool at
    Tableau Public

    2) The issue of those who apply to more than one specialty is hard to analyze but there is significant data on those who rank a single specialty . NRMP has multiple data reports as well as research on this all of which can be found at
    Main Residency Match Data and Reports - The Match, National Resident Matching Program

    3) While STEP 1 scores open the door for specialties, it really isnt self-selection at work as much as guided selection by medical school faculty. There is a much larger impact of networking, school/department reputation, recommendations, and small group dynamics when applying to residency programs. The two charts below are from the program directors survey. As you can see below STEP 1 is the most important factor in being interviewed but followed closely by recommendation and dean's letter. A faculty member is not going to use their "reputation" capital in recommending a student for a residency. Neither will the dean. Hence, guided selection. You will also see that in the actual ranking of a candidate, interaction with faculty, interpersonal skills, interaction with house staff, and feed back from current residents, are all more important than STEP 1 score. All this can be found in the PD survey
    http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/NRMP-2018-Program-Director-Survey-for-WWW.pdf

    4) my advice to all MS-1 is to start networking from day 1, get involved in anyway you can, especially projects.




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