use all of last years stuff

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freshandclean said:
hi all
if you reapply, can schools see your application from previous years? (i.e. should you not use the same essays, etc.)
thanks


Definitely re-write all of your essays. There's no personal statement that could not use some improving and updating. I'm not sure how long schools keep files in storage, but they'll definitely have yours available. Whether it's standard practice to pull them out and compare I do not know(it seems like the admissions offices' main concern is avoiding a lot of unnecessary work).
 
mj1878 said:
Definitely re-write all of your essays. There's no personal statement that could not use some improving and updating.

I am having a hard time deciding how to re-write my personal statement. this year's statement was about how i decided and why i want to be a doctor. and now that i have to re-write it, i am having a hard trouble deciding...this year i haven't done anything new- except of doing research....
 
GujuMD said:
I am having a hard time deciding how to re-write my personal statement. this year's statement was about how i decided and why i want to be a doctor. and now that i have to re-write it, i am having a hard trouble deciding...this year i haven't done anything new- except of doing research....

Maybe you could talk about how this whole process has reaffirmed your committment to medicine. If you're still volunteering, talk about something new and interesting that may have happened between your first application and now. If the research is relevant (medically related), talk about what you've gotten from it, whether it's given you a better understanding of the research side of medicine, whether it's interested you enough to pursue that aspect of medicine.

I dunno. Just thinking.
 
I'd say use exactly the same stuff because what's the odds the medical schools would remember what you wrote last year? When I went to medical school interviews, half the interviewers started reading my personal statement on the spot! Just write an extra paragraph in the personal statement updating it. That's my two cents.
 
yanky5 said:
I'd say use exactly the same stuff because what's the odds the medical schools would remember what you wrote last year? When I went to medical school interviews, half the interviewers started reading my personal statement on the spot! Just write an extra paragraph in the personal statement updating it. That's my two cents.

How many schools were you accepted to doing that?
 
I reused my old PS.

I think that was a huge mistake and knocked me out of the running for some of the institutions I was ranking more highly.

Your writing and thinking have undoubtedly matured in the last year therefore your PS should reflect the same thing.

I'd toss the whole thing out and start from scratch if I could do it again.
 
I also reused my old PS and was invited for interviews to the same schools that I wasn't even considered for a secondary when I applied last year. I did take additional courses though, and did more volunteering...so who knows? I guess the composition of the ADCOMs can drastically change from year to year that they wouldn't realize who wrote what from previous years.
 
Safe bet is do NOT use the same essays for AMCAS or your secondaries. While the INTERVIEWER might not read them ahead of time, I guarantee you someone (and usually mutliple someones!) will before the final decision is made. For reapplicants, many schools pull the old file, especially if it was within the last year or two. The electronic age has actually made this more possible... they don't have to make a special trip to pull an old file folder, and they probably won't find the need to purge the old files as soon as they used to with media storage being so cheap now.

This is med school, guys. Don't get lazy. *Something* had to have changed a little, so figure out what and write to that. Not saying you can't use the same theme and some of the same main ideas, but this isn't just a term paper. It's your future- best foot forward.

BTW- this is speaking from experience as a re-app who was successful this time and someone with an inside view of med schools (been working at one for 8 years now)
 
and your personal info?, do they see your ethnicity, parent history and all that jazz from the previous year?
 
oh, and i guess my other question.. does this apply only two schools you put on your primary, and sent secondaries to last year, or is it ALL schools that see you are a re-app. how do they know you are a re-app anyway, do you have to check a box??

thanks!
 
freshandclean said:
oh, and i guess my other question.. does this apply only two schools you put on your primary, and sent secondaries to last year, or is it ALL schools that see you are a re-app. how do they know you are a re-app anyway, do you have to check a box??

thanks!

i second this question. what if you applied to only School A last year? i would think that School A would be the only institution with the ability to see last year's primary/secondary?
 
I can't asnwer as to what the schools see on your primary, but I do believe they will see things equally (just because you applied to one school before doesn't mean they get a different info than the never-applied-to-schools). Keep in mind that for AMCAS, any prior MCAT scores (depending on how old) will be automatically propagated into the system, so they might suspect you are a reapplicant whether or not there is a section that specifically states that.

On many secondaries, there IS a question that specifically asks if "have you applied to this medical school before?"

But don't worry about being a reapplicant. These days, most people don't get in on their first try (speaking strictly by the numbers here). The onlything you may think is "penalizing" you is that the schools will be looking carefully for the answer of

What have you learned from this experience (applying, not getting in, etc)?
What have you done to improve your app?
How has this effected your plans for a career?

Of course, the right answer is that you did something that made you even MORE sure of your choice to go to med school. Don't just tell them how much more dedicated you are to the choice, but SHOW them.

Anyone with specific re-app questions can PM me.

Good luck to all of you!! :luck:

FD
 
OK, here's the rational for reusing the personal statement: it's the story of why I want to become a doctor, and quite honestly, that story is probably the strongest part of my application. It's positive, up-beat, and the school's will see how many times I've applied before (that's right on top of the amcas print-out my past interviewers have had), so there's no reason to go into it in the personal statement. I will certainly mention my determination and being in the master's program else where in the application. Just to be certain, here's the ps I used last year:

On July 12th, 1996 I entered the hospital for the last time as a patient. My mother was a nervous wreck, still worried about the 60% chance that the surgery wouldn't work, and the 30% chance that I'd be worse off than before. I was scared too, but I was also sixteen years old, and more than happy to take the risk on the surgery if there was even the smallest chance that I could be cured. Later that morning, surgeons removed the right temporal lobe of my brain, curing the epilepsy I had since birth.

Prior to the surgery, I never knew a day that wasn't clouded by high doses of Tegretol or the fear of having another seizure. Even so, I did my best to live a normal life. I excelled in school, played sports, and hung out with a few close friends. As 'normal' as I tried to be, I always knew that in the end I had epilepsy. I would never be able to drive a car, stay up late, live by myself, or be independent whatsoever. On the day I sat on the side of the gurney waiting for the anesthesiologist to come and take me to the theater, I had just turned sixteen, and driving a car and being independent were more important than ever.

I awoke a few days after the surgery, and on the third I went home from the hospital. As I closed my eyes to sleep that night, I made a promise to myself to never forget what just happened, because I knew it would become a very important part of my life. That was quite an understatement, but not too shabby considering that it came from a teenager. By September I stopped taking any medication at all. By October I got my driver's license. I ran in the state cross-country meet in November, and that spring I went to the prom with my best friend who is now my husband. The surgery hadn't just cured me. It set me free.

I was still too busy being a teenager and enjoying my newly found freedoms to even think of becoming a doctor. It took a few years, but as I grew accustomed to my new life with all the freedoms it offered I began to toy with the idea of medical school. At about 3 am sometime in the fall of my freshman year of college, I finally fully understood: I was awake at this hour, in college, away from the ever-watchful eye of my parents---I was so clearly alive and free, and it was all because of my doctors and a miraculous surgery.

It was only natural after such a realization that I should want to become a doctor, but I knew better than to just run out and start studying for the MCAT. After sixteen years of seizures (including two tours of duty in the PICU on mechanical ventilation, one 'out of body experience' numerous hospitalizations, medications, miscellaneous tests and a whole lot of needles), I had more than a few reasons for keeping my enthusiasm under control. Most importantly, I did not want to go through the arduous process of becoming a doctor only to discover that I had become one of the more hated things of my childhood: a doctor with the bedside manner of a wet cat. Before I could decide on becoming a doctor, I needed a way to know that I wasn’t going to be just another wet cat.

About the same time I realized that I (might) want to be a doctor, I was also a broke college student who needed a job. To solve two problems at once, I applied for a job as a nursing assistant. I didn't know if I would love it or hate it, but I did know that if I couldn't find joy caring for another's most basic medical needs, then I had no right wanting to become a doctor.

To this day, I continue to work full time as a nursing assistant. I really do enjoy the work, not just because 'I like helping people', but because it gives that first part of my life a purpose. Working with patients allows me to use my memories of being a patient to help others. As long as I'm putting those memories to good use, there is a purpose for those memories and the events that created them.

That there would be a purpose for my epilepsy was something I never would have believed as I sat in pre-op on July the 12th, 1996. At that time, I wanted only one thing--my freedom from a horrifying disease. Now that I have that freedom, I can think of no better way to use it than to become a physician and help free others from their own illnesses. That way, one day I might be able to say that I have made the smallest of dents into a debt that I know I will never be able to repay.


If you do see areas for improvement, please let me know.
 
rachmoninov3 said:
If you do see areas for improvement, please let me know.


Try not to use words like "hung out" and "broke" and try to avoid some of the cliche's you have in there too. If I were you I would edit it to make it more formal than colloquial. Good story though.
 
I didn't read it all the way through, but convey the passion - show emotion in your story, show how much you want this!
 
rachmoninov3 said:
That there would be a purpose for my epilepsy was something I never would have believed as I sat in pre-op on July the 12th, 1996.

get rid of "the."
 
rachmoninov3: I have some (quite) serious changes for you, if you're open to them. I'll post if I get the go-ahead.
 
you got the green light medimama!
And to everyone else, thank you so very much for your help!
 
I personally like the idea of starting with the second paragraph, moving paragraph 1 to it's place, and continuing from there. I made other changes. Feel free to pick and choose or leave. I apologize in advance if I over-stepped my boundaries.

rachmoninov3 said:
Pre- surgery, I never knew a day that wasn't clouded by high doses of Tegretol or the fear of seizing. Despite this, I lived my life to the best of my ability (or you could put, "the best way I knew how"). I excelled in school, I played sports, I hung out with a few close friends. But as 'normal' as I tried to be, the knowledge that I had epilespsy never escaped me. I would never be able to drive a car, stay up late, live by myself, or be independent in even the simplest ways. (Maybe you could tighten the end of this paragraph with a sentence that flows into the second).

On July 12th, 1996 (my 16th birthday), I entered the hospital for the last time as a patient. My mother was a nervous wreck, still worried about the 60% chance that the surgery wouldn't work, and the 30% chance that I'd be worse off than before. I was more concerned with just how much more this operation would enhance my life. Would I be able to drive a car? Get my license? I wanted so badly to gain the independence that comes with that plastic piece of adulthood. Sure, I was scared for myself and my future, but I was more than happy to take a risk with surgery if there was even the smallest chance I could be cured. Later that morning, surgeons removed my right temporal lobe and in doing so, cured the epilepsy I had had since birth.

I awoke a couple of days after the surgery, and was released from the hospital on the third. As I closed my eyes to sleep that night, I made a promise to myself to never forget what I had experienced, because I knew it would become a very important part of my life. By September I was no longer on medication; by October, I got my driver's license. I ran in the state cross-country meet in November, and in the Spring of 1997 I went to the prom with my best friend (now my husband). The surgery hadn't just cured me; it set me free (or, "allowed me to really live").

Like a runaway who has yet to think about where he will eat, sleep, and bathe (if you've got a better comparison, use it), I was so busy enjoying the fruits of my surgery that I never really took the time out to think about medicine as a profession. The more I grew into my new life and my clearer outlook on it, the more realistic the idea of becoming a doctor became. During a 3am study session in the fall of my freshman year in college , the beauty of my situation hit me: I was not only awake, but alive, in college, and free from the wary parental eye. I was living what I once thought of as a dream, and it was because of medicine and those professionals who dedicated themselves to helping me re-write a better future for myself.

Knowing all that medicine had done for my quality of life, I felt compelled to want to pay that debt forward. But after sixteen years of seizures (including two tours of duty in the PICU on mechanical ventilation, one 'out of body experience,' and a series of hospitalizations, medications, miscellaneous tests, and needles), I had more than a few reasons for keeping my enthusiasm under control. I had spent so much of my life on the receiving end of medicine, that I was completely removed from the experiences of those in healthcare. I didn't want to put my heart and hard work into the process only to realize that I, in fact, did more good for medicine as a patient than I ever could as a caregiver.

In order to "test the waters," I decided to apply for the Nursing Assistant position (at my local...hospital? Nursing home?). Not knowing whether I would love it or hate it, I did know that it would at least give me the opportunity to find the answers that I was looking for.

To this day, and much to my delight, I continue to work full time as a CNA. This position has given so much meaning to my life pre-operation, and given me so much compassion for those people still waiting for their own relief to come. I've connected with my patients on a level that I don't feel I would have been able to had I not experienced my life the way I did. (Have you had contact with the doctors? Could you talk about that? Or talk about how you understand even better where they're coming from not as a patient, but as a fellow caregiver?)

That my epilepsy would serve a purpose in my life was something I never would have believed as I sat waiting for the anesthesiologist on July 12th, 1996. At that time, I wanted only one thing--freedom (or you could put, "peace of mind"). Now that I have just that, and a better understanding of healthcare not only through the eyes of the patient but through the eyes of the healthcare professional, I see that there is so much to be done and so much that I can do as a physician. In doing so, I might come one step closer to helping free others from their pain, and one step closer to paying back a debt that deep down I know will never fully be re-paid.
 
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