USMLE p/f, should i quit anki?

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since step 1 is p/f now, should i stop doing my premade decks (LY/zanki) and focus on my lecture material/making my own cards? I recently started using the premade decks but if all they are good for is boards, should i probably stop them at this point? or will they help with COMLEX and lectures also?

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No don't stop them lol that is so reactionary. They help you learn material. P/f or not you should still learn the material wtf
Yeah but its not as optimized for lecture material as making my own lecture cards would be. If all i need to do is PASS the usmle then i feel like putting it on the back burner and focusing more on lecture wo UK ld be better for my application. This is all assuming thaymt taking step 1 in 2021 will still make my grade p/f for residency apps.
 
I think in a pass fail scenario, you no longer need step 1.
Programs can still filter out by if you took step 1 or not though cant they? I want to know if studying these premade decks for my lectures is a good idea and if i should just stop now considering it might be pointless.
 
Programs can still filter out by if you took step 1 or not though cant they? I want to know if studying these premade decks for my lectures is a good idea and if i should just stop now considering it might be pointless.
They could, but a pass/fail exam is no longer a good filter. They are gonna pick something else.
 
Aren’t you going to take the exam before 2022? If you’re class of 22 I don’t think this will effect you much.

If you’re class of 2023 then I still think you’ll get a score assuming you take USMLE before 2022. They aren’t going to remove your score from your application.
 
Aren’t you going to take the exam before 2022? If you’re class of 22 I don’t think this will effect you much.

If you’re class of 2023 then I still think you’ll get a score assuming you take USMLE before 2022. They aren’t going to remove your score from your application.
From what some people say our scores will probably be reported to residencies as p/f even though we have a score
 
From what some people say our scores will probably be reported to residencies as p/f even though we have a score

I’m assuming you’re class of 23 then? It’s definitely more unclear for 23. Both sides are speculating because the wording is unclear. I’m leaning towards thinking they mean anyone who takes the test after January 1, 2022 will not receive a score, just pass fail.

I don’t see a system where they give you a score and then retroactively take it away. That just doesn’t make any sense to me.
 
Wait so class 2023 is screwed too? It says all score will be reported P/F after 2022. But we take it 2021.. They are going to score us, then take away our score? Really..??
 
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Most likely: When you take the exam you will recieve a 3 digit score. When it comes time to submit ERAS (residency application), the NBME (company that administers the exam) will report your score as P/F on your application in ERAS because it will be past Jan 2022. So your score will most likely be meaningless, unless ofc you fail the exam.
 
I mean they said Jan 2022 at the earliest. It's possible they could push it back a year or two to allow med schools time to adapt their curriculum.
 
For me the OP question still stands. I was going to begin zanki when school starts only for USMLE step 1 essentially, but should I continue to do them just for COMLEX?

Yes, quit anki.

Quit sketchy and pathoma, too, while you're at it.

Are you being facetious? Seriously interested. What if people only used those because of essentially bandwagon even though they thought they could study better with their own methods?
 
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People are going to go out on rotations and look like total *******es when they don’t have any substantive step prep in their minds to pull from as the get pimped. Also the failure rate is going to sky rocket, you can’t just throw something like Sketchy to the side.

Everyone has that buddy who failed step/COMLEX because they kept pushing their studying further and further down the road or just didn’t take it seriously. That is going to be giant swaths of classes now
 
People are going to go out on rotations and look like total *******es when they don’t have any substantive step prep in their minds to pull from as the get pimped. Also the failure rate is going to sky rocket, you can’t just throw something like Sketchy to the side.

Everyone has that buddy who failed step/COMLEX because they kept pushing their studying further and further down the road or just didn’t take it seriously. That is going to be giant swaths of classes now
Im gonna keep doing it then. Helps me learn material too not just study for boards. Material is somewhat similar lol
 
People are going to go out on rotations and look like total *******es when they don’t have any substantive step prep in their minds to pull from as the get pimped. Also the failure rate is going to sky rocket, you can’t just throw something like Sketchy to the side.

Everyone has that buddy who failed step/COMLEX because they kept pushing their studying further and further down the road or just didn’t take it seriously. That is going to be giant swaths of classes now
No it isn’t...people aren’t gonna blow off board exams and people still want to learn things to help future patients. I just don’t think memorizing the Krebs cycle is the way that will do it. Nobody is going to blow things off just because pass fail, and if they do, they probably would’ve failed step in the first place
 
Dude, the best predictor of Step 2CK score is Step 1 score. This idea that people should just all of a sudden do the bare minimum for Step 1 prep and give up on anki, zanki, UFAPS is ridiculous
Agreed, but there is zero doubt in my mind that students will not be approaching step 1 with nearly the same intensity now. I expect step 2 score averages to drop at first cause of this.
 
Dude, the best predictor of Step 2CK score is Step 1 score. This idea that people should just all of a sudden do the bare minimum for Step 1 prep and give up on anki, zanki, UFAPS is ridiculous
"Hi, I want to be a doctor so I can help as many people as possible...while doing the minimum amount of work required to achieve my dreams of obtaining a high-paying specialty while miraculously not becoming a huge liability"

Kids these days...scary.

AND the step exams are largely to blame for why we are now in this predicament. Learning is motivated for a score, not for the sake of learning.
 
Agreed, but there is zero doubt in my mind that students will not be approaching step 1 with nearly the same intensity now. I expect step 2 score averages to drop at first cause of this.

Totally agree. On step 2 AMAs the new advice will be "The best step 2 prep is destroying step 1. Go just as hard as you would as if step was still being scored."
 
"Hi, I want to be a doctor so I can help as many people as possible...while doing the minimum amount of work required to achieve my dreams of obtaining a high-paying specialty while miraculously not becoming a huge liability"

Kids these days...scary.

AND the step exams are largely to blame for why we are now in this predicament. Learning is motivated for a score, not for the sake of learning.
Your bolded statement applies to education in general in America. All kids do is study for the score, not the material.
 
If you’re a current MS-1, nothing has changed for you. You have no clue if your exam will be reported with or without a score and the earliest this will happen is Jan 2022. It could very well be pushed back. Keep grinding. Don’t screw yourself for no reason. If it’s scored, it may literally be the highest scoring average year in the history of the exam.

incoming MS-1s should absolutely blow off stupid stuff like embryo but I’m still using pathophys, micro, and pharm, and even biochem I got from zanki daily. Both on wards and shelves. Ok maybe not biochem, but it still comes up a lot.
 
I wonder if they’re going to raise the passing score for step 1 so there’s going to be more failures. Either way you still need to study for step 1 because most of the material carries over.
 
I assume it will get me ready for comlex too? Besides the OMM section of course
 
Step 1 material makes learning clinical medicine easier. The better you know step 1 material the easier it will be to pick up step 2 material.
Even if people do zanki for a score and not for learning, It doesnt really matter why you get information into your head as long as you do . A large portion of medicine is straight up memorization so if you can better memorize stuff you inadvertently learn more stuff.
I havent read a book or even seriously watched videos or drawn out pathways or what ever people think helps with learning in years, yet my evals have all spoken about my deep fund of knowledge, and that i can only attribute to zanki and then dorian.
 
If you’re a current MS-1, nothing has changed for you. You have no clue if your exam will be reported with or without a score and the earliest this will happen is Jan 2022. It could very well be pushed back. Keep grinding. Don’t screw yourself for no reason. If it’s scored, it may literally be the highest scoring average year in the history of the exam.

incoming MS-1s should absolutely blow off stupid stuff like embryo but I’m still using pathophys, micro, and pharm, and even biochem I got from zanki daily. Both on wards and shelves. Ok maybe not biochem, but it still comes up a lot.

I assume this is because of the step arms race and because it'll be the last scored year?
 
I assume this is because of the step arms race and because it'll be the last scored year?
On the ckntrary, people might rush to take it and do worse than expected. Who knows. All i know is that this situation sucks.
 
incoming MS-1s should absolutely blow off stupid stuff like embryo but I’m still using pathophys, micro, and pharm, and even biochem I got from zanki daily. Both on wards and shelves. Ok maybe not biochem, but it still comes up a lot.

Should current M-1 suspend the embryo and Kaplan neuro cards? Those are so detail-oriented...

Are there any ultra low-yield cards that we should avoid within Zanki?
 
Should current M-1 suspend the embryo and Kaplan neuro cards? Those are so detail-oriented...

Are there any ultra low-yield cards that we should avoid within Zanki?

I came in with this approach and had a dozen or so embryo questions during my first block during step. It totally screwed me.

Oh, yeah, don't quit anki if it's working for you. Don't underestimate how hard step 1 is until you've taken a couple of uworld blocks.
 
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Should current M-1 suspend the embryo and Kaplan neuro cards? Those are so detail-oriented...

Are there any ultra low-yield cards that we should avoid within Zanki?
It depends what your goals are. If you’re trying to just get like a 225-then you need to keep up with obvious stuff like path, micro, and pharm. but for stupid stuff like cell bio, embryo, and biochem you can probably get away with just big picture knowledge. Don’t misunderstand; you still need to read this stuff in FA and internalize you’re self-loathing when you miss it in uworld, but you probably don’t need to kill yourself with an extra 90 minutes/day of reviews of that stuff.

If you’re going for 240+, everything is high-yield. See the above comment

PS: people blow off the msk section of zanki. It’s a big mistake. You hurt yourself hard on step and level 1 by doing that.

I assume this is because of the step arms race and because it'll be the last scored year?
Basically. I think last year was the highest ever at 231 average. A couple years ago it spiked to 228, but then went down to 226 for a while so it could have just been a fluke this year last year.
 
If you’re going for 240+, everything is high-yield. See the above comment

PS: people blow off the msk section of zanki. It’s a big mistake. You hurt yourself hard on step and level 1 by doing that.

Yeah, I think people like to blow it off because it's pure memorization (making it seem low yield), and the cards aren't very well done, but it's obviouly based on FA, so skipping it's pretty risky imo.
 
I don’t know , there are a lot of Chapman points

3 days. Its all you need. Watch the viscerosomatics and Chapman's videos on YouTube. These are what I used, but there may be newer/better ones:





...Basically. I think last year was the highest ever at 231 average. A couple years ago it spiked to 228, but then went down to 226 for a while so it could have just been a fluke this year last year.

When did it drop to 226? Looks like its been going up by 1 every year for at least the last 4 years.

 
Viscerosomatic didn't even show up on my comlex, no free points for me.
 
3 days. Its all you need. Watch the viscerosomatics and Chapman's videos on YouTube. These are what I used, but there may be newer/better ones:







When did it drop to 226? Looks like its been going up by 1 every year for at least the last 4 years.


Could’ve sworn that was the case. Last time i looked at that was probably M1 or even M0 so I must be misremembering unless it’s on a year not on that link. My bad y’all.
 
If you’re a current MS-1, nothing has changed for you. You have no clue if your exam will be reported with or without a score and the earliest this will happen is Jan 2022. It could very well be pushed back. Keep grinding. Don’t screw yourself for no reason. If it’s scored, it may literally be the highest scoring average year in the history of the exam.

incoming MS-1s should absolutely blow off stupid stuff like embryo but I’m still using pathophys, micro, and pharm, and even biochem I got from zanki daily. Both on wards and shelves. Ok maybe not biochem, but it still comes up a lot.

Is it worth keeping up with Zanki into M3? Imagine I won't have many reviews...
 
Is it worth keeping up with Zanki into M3? Imagine I won't have many reviews...

Yeah, I've thought about this. If you can swing it, continuing to run Zanki with a step 2 deck + UWorld might guarantee a step 2 TKO
 
Is it worth keeping up with Zanki into M3? Imagine I won't have many reviews...
Completely unsustainable imo. My Zanki reviews 2 weeks before step were >1500/day. If you keep using anki in third year, you’ll be covering 1500-2500 new cards per month in dorian. I had to let it go.
 
Completely unsustainable imo. My Zanki reviews 2 weeks before step were >1500/day. If you keep using anki in third year, you’ll be covering 1500-2500 new cards per month in dorian. I had to let it go.

But theoretically, if your Zanki reviews took like an hour a day by that point, do you think continuing with them could be worth it?
 
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