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USNWR 2017 Rankings (DO NOT make another thread about this)
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Unfortuantely to some(including applicants) they most definitely will be.
Nowadays they are 6 years plus internship, for seven total. He wouldn't have had the qualifications to be an attending, so he must've spent three years jerking off or something, because he wasn't eligible to perform the only thing he was actually trained for, not by a long shot.
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Exactly.
Yeah, to precisely no one that matters.
I'm sure there'll be some back patting by a few administrators, but the difference between being number 7 and number 11 on USNWR's fanciful scale of nonsense really don't matter at all to anyone else.
thanks, was too lazy to scroll down to the lower links
Apparently, according to WedgeDawg's post, NYU received the NIH funds in 2013. By that point, they had already climbed from 34 to 21. While I'm sure the NIH funding is helping, it's clear they were already on the move.
Let's dispel with this fiction that NYU doesn't know what they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing.
Let's dispel with this fiction that NYU doesn't know what they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing.
Therell be some power hungry prestige ***** driven applicants who hold acceptances from a bunch of these schools and see potential changes in ranking and let that influence their decision in some way or another. Happens every year and wont stop happening. That I can guarantee.
So you could argue the people whom schools who rank the highest want to influence through this are precisely the ones they do, ie the ones that matter the most.
No one said they didn't know what they were doing, just that they were doing it.
Edit: after reading the below post, I think I've been had
I think that what is important is not necessarily the changes from one year to the next but instead the overall trend that is seen over the years.
Is it important that Yale went down 1? Not really.
Is it important to see how much Sinai has shot up the rankings in the past # of years but then this year, stagnated? Perhaps... the shoot-up from the huge increase in funding and acquiring of hospitals is interesting to say the least.
Is it important to se how much NYU has shot up the rankings in the past # of years? I think it is - it shows that the administration is/has been clearly doing whatever they can to get as much talent+funding into their school as possible; this does trickle down to the student. If NYU keeps staying as a research powerhouse, that NYU (medical school) diploma is worth that much more due to increased prestige (or at least the perception of prestige by the general public).
But how will I estimate my level of superiority if they keep changing these rankings?
Hahaha. I'm glad it was noticed.
Most schools would rather have a well qualified candidate that feels the school is a good fit for them than a prestige ***** chasing their school's reputation. Therefore, no, these rankings do not affect the opinions of anyone important.
Can someone tell me why Dartmouth is ranked 40 when it seems like a powerhouse of a school? the match list is excellent. the program itself seems great from interview day...but it's ranked only a little bit higher than my state school. Is it because it is a relatively small school or is it really that 39 programs are just better than it?
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Not that those two things are mutually exclusive.
It doesn't have the funding that a lot of other schools do and because of its location it doesn't attract a lot of high powered faculty (though it has a few).
Meh we can agree to disagree on that, I think what your saying doesnt necessairly reflect the reality of how some choices are made to some extent by certain people. Every school wants people who are a good fit. That doesnt necessairly mean none of those people who go to those schools that ranked highly arent influenced in some way by the rankings saying they are higher than peer institutions.
What youll hear some say is there is a difference between blatant prestige whoring and the fact one school you want to attend/got into is ranked 9th by this vs the other being ranked 3rd influencing your decision in some way; at least that's what the people who will choose the 3rd ranked school will tell you(even if we dont agree at all and I sure as hell dont).
Good fit is an all encompassing term that can either have plenty of meaning or absolutely no meaning at all depending on who you ask and how they interpret "good fit". To some ask why a school is a good fite and youll get some variation of "Im elite and this school reflects that in a way the 9th ranked school wont quite for me". I think we're all fooling ourselves if we dont think this is a reality in certain situations. The fact it is a reality is why certain schools see a benefit in "gaming" these things.
While these mythical people likely exist, I've never, ever met a person who made their decision between two highly ranked schools based on USNWR's rankings. Not one.
Well Ill ask you this would anybody if you had met them ever admit that "a school being ranked 9th vs 3rd influenced their decision in some way or another even if minor" even if it was true? Honestly some people probably dont even realize or are directly cognisant of that ranking impacting them indirectly in someway.
Point isnt to question the honestly or genuity of your friends or others your talking about. It's just people who let these rankings influence them arent necessarily going to make it transparent such was the case. Hardly in many cases actually.
It's just far more likely that their talk of things like geography being relevant are far more likely than then secretly making their decision based on an arbitrary scale no one gives a damn about. You're gonna need to get better at using Occam's Razor if you're going to be a doctor.
Dartmouth has never been a powerhouse medical school. Same with Brown.
Just because their undergrad is great doesn't mean their med school is automatically great as well.
Harvard is number one, all's right with the world.
https://anastomosed.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/what-would-it-take-to-knock-harvard-med-off-1-in-usnwr/
https://anastomosed.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/what-would-it-take-to-knock-harvard-med-off-1-in-usnwr/
You're too smart to say something this stupid.
How so? I am stating plainly that the simplest explanation (that people I know are merely telling the truth) is more likely the correct assumption than a convoluted theory that they are prestige-chasing liars.
Mayo decided to give in to temptation and are now ranked 24 lol. So I would say them.
Gave in to temptation?
But the same, sadly, cannot be said of their business school....
http://www.stern.nyu.edu/experience-stern/news-events/us-news-2017-rankings
nah bro, anything outside of top 20 sucks butt
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I just think you're better than childishly coming after someone who's disagreeing with you and resorting to trying to take some relatively pathetic shot at them.
I said pretty clearly earlier I wasnt making the point about your friends specifically.
They were not ranked before, they were conscientious objectors in the fight against USNWR rankings
They were definitely ranked last year...
What on earth
No, in the last couple of years they have been ranked around where they are now.
Well, let's see, I've got not proof that these supposed prestige chasers exist, and I'm sure we (the collective we of SDN) could amass quite a decent number of people that don't fall into that category between our collective contact networks. I just think that the number of people that actually care about these things enough to change their school preference because of them is negligible, at best. Premeds gonna premed though, I guess, there's always going to be some idiot out there that believes in numbers that may as well be pulled out of a hat by a company that largely specializes in publishing on a dying medium.
Rankings don't matter to us. Unless they're good. Then they matter.
This is the key point really. And I dont think most people realize what a joke US News rankings are in general and to degree to which you could literally make a ranking that just pulls 100 schools out of a hat in sequential order and have a similar quality ranking. There's a reason they're so succesful.
People care about ranks. Look at the Peer/Residency Director assessments - those are members of the medical field who have a sort of ranking in their mind. I don't know ANYONE who explicitly/only uses USN&R ranks, but they all have an internal ranking in their mind that correlates (to an extent) with USN&R.
USN&R is simply a way to methodologically create a set list that the general public can look at to get an idea of these rankings and to educate themselves. Many, many people on the west coast (especially those outside of the biomedical field) have never even heard of Mt. Sinai, as hard as that is to believe. But now, they can look at the USN&R rankings to see that hey, Mt. Sinai is actually a pretty prestigious school! Isn't that neat? I think that's neat.
The tone of your posts is off-putting. Can you just stop and stay focused on the purpose of this thread?
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Woooops. Missed this completely. Don't really look at these past the top 10 threads that come every year tbh, thought they were still un ranked.
Unfortunately, pedigree does matter-especially when one is trying to continue in academic medicine
Are you hanging your hat on a semantics argument? Forget USNWR. Are you suggesting no one you know has ever picked prestige over prestige? I bet we can find something like a Harvard vs Duke thread in just the last 2 weeks with the OP being advised to take Harvard basically because it's Harvard.
BTW, kudos for the "Competitive Antagonist' tag. Never heard that before.
At least for MD/PhDs, research rankings have a little bit more relevance in that they tend to correlate with student grant funding rates, general strength of PhD departments and mentors and available research $$$$. However being MSTP is probably a stronger predictor of quality than USNWR. Let's not pretend that rankings don't measure ANYTHING, but like the MCAT small differences between schools are probably irrelevant. A T10 school is probably better than a T50 school but a T20 is probably just as good, for all intents and purposes relevant to an MD student, as a T10 school
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I still can't get over how interesting NYU is when it comes to these rankings - here are a few things that I found interesting:
-They have pretty similar MCAT/GPA compared to other schools similar in ranking
-They have pretty similar overall NIH funding compared to other schools similar in ranking
-They have significantly higher NIH funding PER faculty member (311k/faculty, much higher than everyone including Harvard. Everyone is ~200k/faculty)
How does this happen? Do they just have some huge, huge big wigs who rake in an insane amount of dough while not having that many regular research faculty members?
-They have significantly lower peer/residency director ratings (3.7 and 3.8, while the rank above it is 4.4 and ~4.3 and the rank below it is 4.1 and 4.1)
Is this due to peers needing to re-accustom to NYU's surge in the rankings? Or is this actually a demonstration on how NYU is actually not really as good of an institution as its peers and that USN&R's methodologies inflates NYU's status?
-They have pretty similar MCAT/GPA compared to other schools similar in ranking
-They have pretty similar overall NIH funding compared to other schools similar in ranking
-They have significantly higher NIH funding PER faculty member (311k/faculty, much higher than everyone including Harvard. Everyone is ~200k/faculty)
How does this happen? Do they just have some huge, huge big wigs who rake in an insane amount of dough while not having that many regular research faculty members?
-They have significantly lower peer/residency director ratings (3.7 and 3.8, while the rank above it is 4.4 and ~4.3 and the rank below it is 4.1 and 4.1)
Is this due to peers needing to re-accustom to NYU's surge in the rankings? Or is this actually a demonstration on how NYU is actually not really as good of an institution as its peers and that USN&R's methodologies inflates NYU's status?
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Well I need to give up my U of M spot, no longer top ten!! ha ha ha.
Pritzker and U of Michigan are both slumming it now. Mere #11. Too funny, per a faculty member at one of these institutions, the spinning has started:
"I understand this may be a spurious result of different ways other institutions (Vanderbilt was cited) are recording their research funding. So, the slip might be more a function of monkey math than any real change in standing."
I think in addition, a combination of
1. Lack of associated university research departments
2. Lower NIH funding, they have +300m/yr private funding from Mayo foundation
3. Newer school and tiny class. Since rankings here are so reputation based, doesn't really benefit Mayo here
Yeah wtf. I saw this too. It made me wonder if their med school siphoned resources from their business school somehow, haha.
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