USNWR 2018 Rankings Up

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For last year's
1.Harvard
2.Stanford
3.Hopkins
3.UCSF
6. Washington U
7.Columbia
8.Duke
8.U of Washington
11. NYU (Langone)
11. U of Chicago
11. U of Michigan
14. UCLA
 
What does it mean for WASH U to go from 5 to 6? Will this have any effect on residency positions in the future?
 
liked said:
What does it mean for WASH U to go from 5 to 6? Will this have any effect on residency positions in the future?
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Undoubtedly. Sadly their graduates will be spurned from the top programs, sending them into a death spiral to the bottom of the rankings. They will likely move offshore to the Caribbean within the next decade. Further, their affiliated residencies will likely have to shutter as the applicant stream dries up due to concerns over the obviously subpar training opportunities available. All in all it will be a bloodbath.
 
mcloaf said:
Undoubtedly. Sadly their graduates will be spurned from the top programs, sending them into a death spiral to the bottom of the rankings. They will likely move offshore to the Caribbean within the next decade. Further, their affiliated residencies will likely have to shutter as the applicant stream dries up due to concerns over the obviously subpar training opportunities available. All in all it will be a bloodbath.
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Well said
 
Cyberdyne 101 said:
What's sad is that NYU may see an increase in apps, while Pritzker may see a decrease due to this arbitrary madness.
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Good, imo. lol. Mayo has gone from not participating in rankings to #20 in just a couple of years. Looks like the Dark Side is treating them well.
 
I never really understood the methodology of US News medical school rankings.

Effectively 40% of the final score is based on a "peer quality assessment" where ADCOMs, deans, residency directors, etc, rate programs on a scale of 1-5. How could these people possibly know enough about all of these schools where they could make this assessment? Further, according to US News, only 38% percent of these people actually responded to the survey. Ya think there might be a little sampling bias here?

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/medical-schools-methodology
 
spikes said:
I never really understood the methodology of US News medical school rankings.

Effectively 40% of the final score is based on a "peer quality assessment" where ADCOMs, deans, residency directors, etc, rate programs on a scale of 1-5. How could these people possibly know enough about all of these schools where they could make this assessment? Further, according to US News, only 38% percent of these people actually responded to the survey. Ya think there might be a little sampling bias here?

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/medical-schools-methodology
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How dare you question their methodology!!

Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!
 
spikes said:
I never really understood the methodology of US News medical school rankings.

Effectively 40% of the final score is based on a "peer quality assessment" where ADCOMs, deans, residency directors, etc, rate programs on a scale of 1-5. How could these people possibly know enough about all of these schools where they could make this assessment? Further, according to US News, only 38% percent of these people actually responded to the survey. Ya think there might be a little sampling bias here?

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/medical-schools-methodology
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Exactly.
 
Lucca said:
Good, imo. lol. Mayo has gone from not participating in rankings to #20 in just a couple of years. Looks like the Thalmor is treating them well.
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Fixed lol
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Drp695 said:
Hofstra took a nice jump from 82 to 71 (research)...also from unranked to 55 primary care. Currently my only acceptance so gotta dance with the one that brung ya.
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Hostra's gonna be a BIG deal in a few years. Just in time for 4th year! Hopefully that waitlist keeps moving...the rankings might've affected that a wee bit though.
 
Cyberdyne 101 said:
Speaking of overthinking, will UCSF finally claim the #1 spot when the Warriors move to the Chase Center in Mission Bay?!

Proximity to the Dubs home court must be a relevant metric, right?!
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Definitely, especially if they bring home another title. Although the Pats do own the Super Bowl title.. so its a close race. We might have to wait for baseball season to decide and see which of the Sox or Giants do better.
 
These rankings are worth very little. These are definitely all great schools, however Mayo is never included when anyone in the world knows it is one of if not the best medical school period. The amount of private research they've done, their contribution to practice, and just surviving their environment in the boonies. Gotta say, this ranking means nothing compared to the names everyone knows. Harvard, Mayo, Stanford - we all recognize these. Number 6 vs 4 or 2 or 7 what does that even really mean?
 
mistafab said:
These rankings are worth very little. These are definitely all great schools, however Mayo is never included when anyone in the world knows it is one of if not the best medical school period. The amount of private research they've done, their contribution to practice, and just surviving their environment in the boonies. Gotta say, this ranking means nothing compared to the names everyone knows. Harvard, Mayo, Stanford - we all recognize these. Number 6 vs 4 or 2 or 7 what does that even really mean?
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Mayo voluntarily excluded themselves from being ranked before. They joined a couple of years ago. They are currently #20. Certainly getting their due
 
liked said:
What does it mean for WASH U to go from 5 to 6? Will this have any effect on residency positions in the future?
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don't worry, 4 years from now the program director of the residency you apply for will bust out to 2018 USNEWS rankings. For shame!

Ever notice that no matter how much these rankings change, that reputation/residency director scores remain stagnant? It is because there is a lot of inertia when it comes to med school reputation. I guarantee NYU's scores haven't changed at all, even though they jumped like 20-30 spots over the past few years after the ranking algorithm chaged. At my program, we most certainly don't know or care about this news magazine, and the PD only cares about what the longstanding opinion of the institution has been. But hey, keep on perseverating on the 5 spots up or down!
 
I'm sorry but people **** on NYU all the time since its increase in rankings. NYU is an awesome med school. As a class, we went out a ton but still worked hard and had our choice of residencies last year. Our average GPA is 3.91 (tied for first with Harvard) and MCAT of 37 (tied for 2nd with 3 other schools behind Penn). Our average Step 1 score has consistently been in the 240s the last 3 years. Sure, rankings don't mean a ton but all factors considered (including fit), I honestly don't think it's outrageous to choose NYU over any medical school in the country.
 
Dartmouth1230 said:
I'm sorry but people **** on NYU all the time since its increase in rankings. NYU is an awesome med school. As a class, we went out a ton but still worked hard and had our choice of residencies last year. Our average GPA is 3.91 (tied for first with Harvard) and MCAT of 37 (tied for 2nd with 3 other schools behind Penn). Our average Step 1 score has consistently been in the 240s the last 3 years. Sure, rankings don't mean a ton but all factors considered (including fit), I honestly don't think it's outrageous to choose NYU over any medical school in the country.
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Now I understand the True Meaning of USNWR. Thank you for the enlightenment.
 
wasn't buffalo unranked last year? how did it jump to #67?
 
Dartmouth1230 said:
I'm sorry but people **** on NYU all the time since its increase in rankings. NYU is an awesome med school. As a class, we went out a ton but still worked hard and had our choice of residencies last year. Our average GPA is 3.91 (tied for first with Harvard) and MCAT of 37 (tied for 2nd with 3 other schools behind Penn). Our average Step 1 score has consistently been in the 240s the last 3 years. Sure, rankings don't mean a ton but all factors considered (including fit), I honestly don't think it's outrageous to choose NYU over any medical school in the country.
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I would totally agree except for the high cost of living, limited housing, and a ton of people condensed into 1 city.
 
cactusman said:
Was it "rank not published" or did it choose not to participate in rankings before?
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It was "unranked" last year. Many of the unranked schools still have residency director ratings btw. Even last year you could expect them to have around that rank based on their residency director and peer director scores.

What is interesting to me is the discrepancy in old and new MCAT scores between schools. UPenn for example has an old MCAT median of 38 and a new of 517. While WashU is still going strong at 521.
 
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Dartmouth1230 said:
I'm sorry but people **** on NYU all the time since its increase in rankings. NYU is an awesome med school. As a class, we went out a ton but still worked hard and had our choice of residencies last year. Our average GPA is 3.91 (tied for first with Harvard) and MCAT of 37 (tied for 2nd with 3 other schools behind Penn). Our average Step 1 score has consistently been in the 240s the last 3 years. Sure, rankings don't mean a ton but all factors considered (including fit), I honestly don't think it's outrageous to choose NYU over any medical school in the country.
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I hope you didn't take offense to my first post in this thread. It wasn't meant to be a jab at NYU. I was merely expressing that some people put too much emphasis on these rankings when selecting schools.

Clearly NYU is an elite school. As you already know, it has one of the best hospitals in the country and is affiliated with Bellevue, one of the more renowned public hospitals. I'm not sure about the housing options, but the school's location is top notch.
 
Dartmouth1230 said:
I'm sorry but people **** on NYU all the time since its increase in rankings. NYU is an awesome med school. As a class, we went out a ton but still worked hard and had our choice of residencies last year. Our average GPA is 3.91 (tied for first with Harvard) and MCAT of 37 (tied for 2nd with 3 other schools behind Penn). Our average Step 1 score has consistently been in the 240s the last 3 years. Sure, rankings don't mean a ton but all factors considered (including fit), I honestly don't think it's outrageous to choose NYU over any medical school in the country.
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We don't like upstarts around these parts.

To paraphrase kdot: New schools just new schools, don't get involved.

JK. Everyone knows NYU is a good school. I'll be applying there myself. But there is no doubt that the administration has been selecting very strongly for huge numbers and their endowment was significantly inflated by the repair funds from Hurricanae sandy and, as a result, they have shot up in the rankings. Nobody means to say that NYU is a secret trash school trying to sit at the big kids table. They've been at the big kids table for decades. The cynical pursuit of rank and high Step scores at the cost of admitting only the top few percent of MCAT/GPAs rubs people the wrong way though. Doesn't mean that WashU and Penn and Co aren't as guilty but they've just been doing it for a lot longer.
 
chisox123987 said:
Where'd you see the new mcat scores? On USNews I still see the old mcat scores and same with msar.
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You got to have premium and then click "Ranking" on the schools page. Btw, NYU had a new MCAT median of 520! Almost as much as WashU. So does Vanderbilt. IMO I think you can tell which schools most value MCAT or are trying to improve rankings from these. Also, from what I see, many of the "Ivy league" schools have been weighing MCAT less heavily or have a slight apprehension with the new MCAT.
 
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chisox123987 said:
Yeah that's what I thought haha. Is this for the most recent class or a year before? Maybe this was the first year the new mcat was accepted so that's why the averages were lower.
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It would have to be for the current class (2020). At my school, our class is the first to have people with the new mcat and afaik, most people took the old mcat. Meaning, the average could be heavily influenced by the smaller number of people that took the new one.
 
:whoa:

My eyes are unworthy to see these posts. I am a mere muggle soon to be running amok in one of those unranked skewls
 
bromo said:
It would have to be for the current class (2020). At my school, our class is the first to have people with the new mcat and afaik, most people took the old mcat. Meaning, the average could be heavily influenced by the smaller number of people that took the new one.
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Yeah, it's for the 2020 class. You're right that the median probably doesn't mean much due to the small number of scores, I just found the trends interesting.
 
Lucca said:
We don't like upstarts around these parts.

To paraphrase kdot: New schools just new schools, don't get involved.

JK. Everyone knows NYU is a good school. I'll be applying there myself. But there is no doubt that the administration has been selecting very strongly for huge numbers and their endowment was significantly inflated by the repair funds from Hurricanae sandy and, as a result, they have shot up in the rankings. Nobody means to say that NYU is a secret trash school trying to sit at the big kids table. They've been at the big kids table for decades. The cynical pursuit of rank and high Step scores at the cost of admitting only the top few percent of MCAT/GPAs rubs people the wrong way though. Doesn't mean that WashU and Penn and Co aren't as guilty but they've just been doing it for a lot longer.
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Isn't the mean GPA for NYU in the 3.8 range though? Sdn , as well as a handful of other sources, peg the average gpa at about 3.8.
Am I wrong? 3.91 is ridiculously High for mean gpa, only WashU, Hopkins, and Harvard have mean GPA's above a 3.85.
 
mwsapphire said:
Isn't the mean GPA for NYU in the 3.8 range though? Sdn , as well as a handful of other sources, peg the average gpa at about 3.8.
Am I wrong? 3.91 is ridiculously High for mean gpa, only WashU, Hopkins, and Harvard have mean GPA's above a 3.85.
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For the class entering 2015 (reasonable to expect this year's class-2016-to be slightly higher)
GPA: 3.87
MCAT: 36

http://www.med.nyu.edu/school/admissions/about-us/student-composition (literally 10 seconds of google, come on)
 
mwsapphire said:
Isn't the mean GPA for NYU in the 3.8 range though? Sdn , as well as a handful of other sources, peg the average gpa at about 3.8.
Am I wrong? 3.91 is ridiculously High for mean gpa, only WashU, Hopkins, and Harvard have mean GPA's above a 3.85.
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That's not true. I know Baylor and UTSW are that high and I wouldn't be surprised if there were more.
 
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