USNWR 2018 Rankings Up
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RNP implies the school is in the bottom 25% of all schools. As to the exact reason, could be dropping in any factor schools are ranked on.
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3.86/3.85 respectively.
That one took a whole 15 seconds of googling.
There's also this nifty MSAR thing that has the data for all schools, I'm told...
https://www.bcm.edu/education/schools/medical-school/admissions/faqs
http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/education/medical-school/admissions/our-students.html
My the way USNWR ranks medical schools, Pritzker is at a huge disadvantage because they are a much smaller medical schools. One of (if not) the most important factors in their system is total amount of research dollars received by faculty. Since Pritzker is a much smaller medical school (they do this to increase opportunities and attention for their students), they have much less faculty than let's say Harvard and are therefore ranked lower.
It is important to note that Pritzker still remains very competitive...this past cycle their enrolled student average GPA/MCAT was tied for 3rd highest.
-theboatman
I don't have the MSAR ( I'm not applying this cycle).
Well, that's still 3.8 range....
Sure, just do an overall ranking combining both research and primary care rankings
I mean Stanford has an equally sized med school class and they are number 2...
Well, I think the average MCAT is still lower on both ends, though. Goodness it would be awful if any school had an average MCAT of 521+.
Anyone know if PD or peer scores had a significant change?
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Also wondering this...especially with the pretty large drop from Hof, I am curious if PD surveys also increased for them?
You guys are doing it wrong. As premeds, if yahoo created a career rankings article that placed physicians @ #25 and dental assistants as #6, are you all of a sudden gonna change your opinion of these professions and their desirability?
What you guys have to do is ask why you care about these rankings. Is it to say that you attended a top X school? If so, brace yourself for the possibility of dropping out of a particular bracket given the year to year fluctuations. Now, if you care about these rankings because of potential impact on residency placement, then I can assure you that IF med school status is taken into account, its the prestige/reputation of the medical school within medical circles that matters, NOT the collective opinion from news magazines.
So what goes into reputation? The historical product coming from these schools, the strength of associated residency programs, number of influential/famous faculty, longstanding established reputation within field, ground breaking research etc. I remember a few years back when Stanford was ranked #11 and Sinai had a similar ranking, and therefore premeds concluded that Stanford=Sinai! Well, the opinion of Stanford within our institution was the same when Stanford dropped out of the top 10 as it is today at #2. Sorry to break it to you, but our opinion has some influence on the rankings, not the other way around. Mayo didn't even participate in the rankings I believe when I was a student, yet we all know they have some of the best residency/fellowship programs in the country, and their med school is top notch.
Thanks for the reply but I think your misunderstanding. I thought PD score related to how highly residency directors viewed a particular program and that it had everything to do with academic reputation more or less. Is that not how that score was calculated?
You guys are doing it wrong. As premeds, if yahoo created a career rankings article that placed physicians @ #25 and dental assistants as #6, are you all of a sudden gonna change your opinion of these professions and their desirability?
What you guys have to do is ask why you care about these rankings. Is it to say that you attended a top X school? If so, brace yourself for the possibility of dropping out of a particular bracket given the year to year fluctuations. Now, if you care about these rankings because of potential impact on residency placement, then I can assure you that IF med school status is taken into account, its the prestige/reputation of the medical school within medical circles that matters, NOT the collective opinion from news magazines.
So what goes into reputation? The historical product coming from these schools, the strength of associated residency programs, number of influential/famous faculty, longstanding established reputation within field, ground breaking research etc. I remember a few years back when Stanford was ranked #11 and Sinai had a similar ranking, and therefore premeds concluded that Stanford=Sinai! Well, the opinion of Stanford within our institution was the same when Stanford dropped out of the top 10 as it is today at #2. Sorry to break it to you, but our opinion has some influence on the rankings, not the other way around. Mayo didn't even participate in the rankings I believe when I was a student, yet we all know they have some of the best residency/fellowship programs in the country, and their med school is top notch.
Yeah it's a very straightforward survey where PDs are asked to rate programs on a 5-point scale (or mark that they are not familiar enough with a program to score it). Same deal for the peer scores.
There's not much fluctuation between years. For example this is last year, and it now looks like this for the PD first 20:
Harvard, Hopkins, UCSF, Penn
WashU, Stanford
Duke, Michigan, Columbia, UCLA
Cornell
Yale, Vandy, Northwestern
U Washington, Chicago, Pitt, Emory, Baylor
Mayo
yes that's how the survey is done. but I just wanted to caution people who think that the ranking fluctuations from magazines (there are more than just USNEWS by the way) has any direct influence, which is apparent by the stable scores year after year.
Speaking of Mayo, would you mind sharing any thoughts you have about their new Arizona campus? How do you think the first class of Mayo AZ graduates will be viewed when it comes to the match?
If the AZ campus is viewed as a new school there is no historical product, there are likely weaker residency programs compared to MN, less famous faculty and less research. Do you expect the first batch of students will be viewed as if they're coming from a brand new school (an unknown), will they be lumped in with the Mayo MN students, or be somewhere in between?
Yes, I figure they are more or less constant. But I figured that since Hofstra is so new and is currently developing the reputation. The next few years may show a climb in PD score (IIRC it was 2.4 last year), especially considering that it has a well-established residency already associated with it and has been attracting strong candidates typically.
Hofstra was 2.5/2.5 and is now 2.6/2.5. Schools fluctuate tiny amounts like that between years, I wouldn't operate under the assumption it will trend up significantly at all over a few years , as far as choosing schools
Thank you for its advice. What are its peer schools at 2.6?
Let's move to PM one sec
This is my first time hearing about this. I imagine they will be viewed similarly, especially if they work with MN faculty (LOR, research, rotations etc).
Thank you! I had not thought of that - if I end up attending I will make it a priority to do as many rotations in MN as possible and try to make myself more of a "known quantity".
Do you know if historically there has been any significant shift upward/downward for specific schools in PD rankings for the top schools?
I've only looked at the last few years, and no nothing very significant. The 20 this year are the exact same as the 20 last year and I think the exact same 20 as the year before. Schools move up or down like 0.1-0.2 / 5 between years but overall it's very, very stable.
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