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[utahjazz]

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Good luck to the people interviewing tomorrow!

 

[TheGoose]

i was just playing the devil's advocate as you specifically said minimum - just something for me to do while bored at work =D.

I totally agree with you that someone planning to go to USU and not take a residency would be pretty crazy (and this is regardless of branch). Im on board with you - you go to USU, youre a career mil doc.


on a lighter note: i went to a recruiters office and was cleared with the tape test. Now there was just one more pesky thing to take care of before showing up in bethesda......what was it again.....oh yeah, getting accepted!

 

[Sarg's kid]

i was just playing the devil's advocate as you specifically said minimum - just something for me to do while bored at work =D.

I totally agree with you that someone planning to go to USU and not take a residency would be pretty crazy (and this is regardless of branch). Im on board with you - you go to USU, youre a career mil doc.


on a lighter note: i went to a recruiters office and was cleared with the tape test. Now there was just one more pesky thing to take care of before showing up in bethesda......what was it again.....oh yeah, getting accepted!

Yeah, no worries. I reread that after you pointed it out and was l "Oh, yeah." I just wrote my own personal plan and forgot the rest of the details.

The tape test WAS fun, huh. Good times. I had to explain it to the trainer at the gym and he was like "But that's totally innacurate. Let's do a bod pod or bioelectrical impedence." Oh, silly civilians. What the green God wants, the green God gets.

Now, if only we could start getting those sweet sweet phone calls. Then I can quite neurotically checking this forum 25x a day to see if anyone else has heard.

 

[DrMetal]

Yeah, no worries. I reread that after you pointed it out and was l "Oh, yeah." I just wrote my own personal plan and forgot the rest of the details.


The tape test WAS fun, huh. Good times. I had to explain it to the trainer at the gym and he was like "But that's totally innacurate. Let's do a bod pod or bioelectrical impedence." Oh, silly civilians. What the green God wants, the green God gets.

Now, if only we could start getting those sweet sweet phone calls. Then I can quite neurotically checking this forum 25x a day to see if anyone else has heard.

how much more payback does an in-service fellowship or out-service fellowship accrue? (say cardio, which is a 2-year fellowship)

 

[mslall]

how much more payback does an in-service fellowship or out-service fellowship accrue? (say cardio, which is a 2-year fellowship)

I'm fairly certain fellowships incur a 1 to 1 payback whether inservice or out (i may be wrong though). So 2 years of fellowship would increase your commitment from 7 to 9, i think. Not positive feel free to affirm or negate that

 

[mslall]

Now, if only we could start getting those sweet sweet phone calls. Then I can quite neurotically checking this forum 25x a day to see if anyone else has heard.

you dont stop checking it 25x a day even after you've gotten a call. I've dragged this page up to my quicklinks in the top of my browser. You want to know who's coming with you.

 

[Gastrapathy]

I'm fairly certain fellowships incur a 1 to 1 payback whether inservice or out (i may be wrong though). So 2 years of fellowship would increase your commitment from 7 to 9, i think. Not positive feel free to affirm or negate that

Not quite.

Your pre-GME obligation (ie ROTC, academy, HPSP and USUHS or any combo of these) and your GME obligation are served concurrently.

For the example of cardiology (typical shorthand is cards, not cardio, btw), a 3 year residency and a 3 year fellowship total 5 years of non-intern GME. This is less than the 7 years owed for USUHS and thus would not add to your obligation. Now, if you did an IM residency, then served your committment, then did your fellowship, that would add 3 years of obligation. Make sense?

 

[mslall]

it seems like there's an advantage in USUHS over HPSP in that any residency you do wont extend your commitment. Even NSG isn't longer than 7yrs is it? I know you could definitely increase your commitment if you did HPSP and then picked up an army GS residency (6 yrs). Then again you're still committed for an extra 3 yrs if you do a shorter residency. Guess it depends on what you want to do. If you're planning on a career in milmed whats a few more years.

I do have a question though, does anyone know how doing civilian fellowships work? Do you still get paid your officer salary? Or are you paid by the civilian program? both (doubtful)?

 

[DrMetal]

ok, i think i get it. so the following is a possible trajectory:

in parantheses
(obligation accrued : what's paid back that year : current balance)

..............MSI-IV USUHS: (+7 : .0 : 7)
............InternshipYear: ( 0 : .0 : 7)
..................GMO Year: ( 0 : -1 : 6)
..................GMO Year: ( 0 : -1 : 5)
............IM Res (PGYII): ( 0 : .0 : 5)
............IM Res(PGYIII): ( 0 : .0 : 5)
...3-year orders somewhere: ( 0 : -3 : 2)
..In-service Card Fellow I: ( 0 : .0 : 2)
.In-service Card Fellow II: ( 0 : .0 : 2)
In-service Card Fellow III: ( 0 : .0 : 2)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : .0 : 1)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : .0 : 0)
obligation complete

now for an outservice fellowship, it would be:
...3-year orders somewhere: ( 0 : -3 : 2)
3-year outservice cardfell: (+3 : .0 : 5)
5-years of orders somewher: ( 0 : -5 : 0)
obligation complete

is this right? (i luv courier font)

 

[st0rmin]

it seems like there's an advantage in USUHS over HPSP in that any residency you do wont extend your commitment. Even NSG isn't longer than 7yrs is it? I know you could definitely increase your commitment if you did HPSP and then picked up an army GS residency (6 yrs). Then again you're still committed for an extra 3 yrs if you do a shorter residency. Guess it depends on what you want to do. If you're planning on a career in milmed whats a few more years.

I do have a question though, does anyone know how doing civilian fellowships work? Do you still get paid your officer salary? Or are you paid by the civilian program? both (doubtful)?

The Army will pay your way at a civilian fellowship. It's called "Civilian Sponsored" You still make your same officer pay, + bonuses, as if you were training at a military institution, but the payback is 2 for 1. Meaning, if you do a one year civilian fellowship you owe the Army 2 years which is to be payed back consecutively, not concurrently with previous obligations.

For example, I went to USUHS (7 year obligation after residency) completed a three year residency (2 years for residency paid back concurrently with USUHS obligation), then did a civilian sponsored fellowship for 1 year (2 year obligation after USUHS obligation = 9 years total obligation). If you're planning on being career it may not be a bad thing, but if you want to get out for whatever reason you need to think about adding additional obligation.

Hope that helps

 

[regnaR175]

My civilian interviews have gotten awkward at times because I always tell them that milmed is my career goal.

Consider that a blessing. Sure, a lot of interviewers like to make the interview stressful just to see how you handle things. But if it gets awkward, well, that's a different ballpark. An interviewer never represents a school as a whole, but if their character is such that your dedication to service of this country makes it awkward, it may be a sign there is a general "attitude" that may make you miserable at said facility for your entire four year medical education. If being "anti-military," and I use the term loosely, is an acceptable attitude for anyone on the faculty, who knows what else is. You should never have to apologize for wanting to serve this country, and you sure as hell should never have to be made uncomfortable for it by a take-everything-for-granted ass hat. Sure, maybe they lost a son or daughter in a war and are bitter...understandable. Nonetheless, that's a huge red flag. Remember you are interviewing them as well. Compare it with the general attitude of the students and other faculty to make sure it's not a trend. If it seems to be, enjoy your free lunch and gtfo. Now, I cannot imagine any school where being "anti-military" is the general way, but there are some that are more welcoming to our types than others.

I have been lucky enough that all of my interviewers so far have had a genuine interest in my story and my projected mission in milmed, regardless of their political/ideal viewpoints. I hope that continues. Just use your judgment and hold fast to what you represent. As long as the ungrateful ass-hats remain ignorant as to what threatens their way of life, it means we (soldiers) are doing our job right.

 

[notdeadyet]

(obligation accrued : what's paid back that year : current balance)

..............MSI-IV USUHS: (+7 : .0 : 7)
............InternshipYear: (+1 : -1 : 7)
..................GMO Year: ( 0 : -1 : 6)
..................GMO Year: ( 0 : -1 : 5)
............IM Res (PGYII): (+1 : -1 : 5)
............IM Res(PGYIII): (+1 : -1 : 5)
...3-year orders somewhere: ( 0 : -3 : 2)
..In-service Card Fellow I: (+1 : -1 : 2)
.In-service Card Fellow II: (+1 : -1 : 2)
In-service Card Fellow III: (+1 : -1 : 2)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : -1 : 1)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : -1 : 0)
obligation complete

now for an outservice fellowship, it would be:
..out-service Card Fellow I: (+1 : 0 : 3)
.out-service Card Fellow II: (+1 : 0 : 4)
out-service Card Fellow III: (+1 : 0 : 5)
...........Orders somewhere: ( 0 :-1 : 4)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : -1 : 3)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : -1 : 2)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : -1 : 1)
..........Orders somewhere: ( 0 : -1 : 0)
obligation complete

is this right? (i luv courier font)

Actually, I don't think you're dealing with the fellowship years appropriately. Or if you are, I'm not reading it correctly.

When you do an in-service fellowship, it's not a freebie. You do accrue obligation and while you are in fellowship, you are not burning back obligation time.

According to how you have it written here above, if a doc who finished off his obligation went back and did a two year fellowship, he could leave the military immediately afterwards, when in reality he would owe another two years of service. Make sense?

 

[DrMetal]

Actually, I don't think you're dealing with the fellowship years appropriately. Or if you are, I'm not reading it correctly.

When you do an in-service fellowship, it's not a freebie. You do accrue obligation and while you are in fellowship, you are not burning back obligation time.

According to how you have it written here above, if a doc who finished off his obligation went back and did a two year fellowship, he could leave the military immediately afterwards, when in reality he would owe another two years of service. Make sense?

but the scenario above is someone who hasn't completed their obligation, before they start their fellowship. In that case, for an in-service fellowship, you gain one year of payback, and you complete one year, to the net change is 0. right???

 

[TheGoose]

i think fellowships add onto the end regardless

 

[backrow]

i think fellowships add onto the end regardless

At a minimum with no other commitments and considering fellowships alone you will at least owe the number of years spent in fellowship upon completion of said fellowship. If you do a 2 year fellowship you will owe a minimum of 2 years of commitment after completion. This would be the same for people who have completed their obligations prior to going to residency: if you did a three year residency you would owe three years upon completion.

The scenario painted above would be correct for the great majority of people. In general if you have a USUHS/HPSP/ROTC/Academy obligation those years are paid off year for year for every year after you graduate from medical school. The confusion begins because you pick up a year of commitment for every year you are in a GME program.

 

[DrMetal]

ok, from the horse's mouth:
https://nmmpte.med.navy.mil/gme/NAVMEDGME.htm#GME-2+%20(RESIDENCIES%20AND%20FELLOWSHIPS)

for full-time inservice GME2+ (resid. and fellowships): "Individuals will incur an active duty obligation of 1 year for each year of training or the remainder of their USU/HPSP obligation, whichever is longer (2 years minimum). "

note the OR in this statement

So if you're a USUHS grad, you start off with 7 years payback. so you never accrue any payback for GME2+, until your USUHS payback obligation drops below 2 years. (I've modified my above post, please re-check it).

So in the scenario above, if you 5 years remaining on your balance (say after a GMO tour), you will NOT accrue any obligation for PGYII and PGYIII, because "5" is bigger than 2 (the 1:1)

for an outservice fellowship:
"FTOS trainees incur a minimum 2-year obligation plus 1 year of obligation per year of training greater than 2. For post-residency fellowships, this additional obligation is repaid in addition to any residency obligation at the conclusion of fellowship training. All FTOS obligation is in addition to any remaining medical school obligation. "

 

[Coastie2Doc]

Just received "the call". Conditional Acceptance, Navy. USUHS was the only school I applied to and I intend on accepting the offer. Good luck to everyone else waiting on their call. Call came in at 1130 EST. I will still check the posts to answer any questions.

 

[DrMetal]

Just received "the call". Conditional Acceptance, Navy. USUHS was the only school I applied to and I intend on accepting the offer. Good luck to everyone else waiting on their call. Call came in at 1130 EST. I will still check the posts to answer any questions.

sweet, congrats!

 

[rkonmd]

Got the call around Noon ! Conditional acceptance Army.

Pumped !!

 

[utahjazz]

Got the call for the USAF at ~12:30 ET/9:30 PT.

Congrats to everyone who was called today and good luck to those still waiting!

 

[Sarg's kid]

Congrats Coastie2Doc, Rkonmd and UtahJazz.

You guys rock. Good luck with everything.


(Freak out sequence has been initiated, repeat freak out has been initiated)
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[utahjazz]

Congrats Coastie2Doc, Rkonmd and UtahJazz.

You guys rock. Good luck with everything.


(Freak out sequence has been initiated, repeat freak out has been initiated)
😱🙁🙁😱

Thank you very much.

Maybe you should give them a call? It's been 6 weeks for you already, right? Though when I was looking at the old USUHS threads, I saw people who had interviewed super early but weren't accepted till January. I don't quite understand how they do things...

 

[Sarg's kid]

Thank you very much.

Maybe you should give them a call? It's been 6 weeks for you already, right? Though when I was looking at the old USUHS threads, I saw people who had interviewed super early but weren't accepted till January. I don't quite understand how they do things...

I have always been nervous to call the Admissions office. What do you say? "Hey, so, can you put me out of my misery?"

Just ask about my application status?

 

[dwb8p]

Congrats to those just accepted!

Now orient yourself to the following sites:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=567903&page=999
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=86673205034

 

[Analgesiologist]

Got the call this morning, conditional acceptance navy. Good luck to everyone else!

 

[eschott]

Got the call this morning too...in the middle of LLAB! Glad I took the call though. Conditional AF!

 

[Davnport]

what happens if you miss the call? do they leave a message? try the other phone number you designated? call later? Thanks all and congrats to those who received the acceptances!

 

[eschott]

what happens if you miss the call? do they leave a message? try the other phone number you designated? call later? Thanks all and congrats to those who received the acceptances!

Not too sure. I think you could definitely call and ask though. I was tempted for a second to not answer (since I was in class) and see what would have happened, but then I got control of myself and took the call.

 

[mslall]

what happens if you miss the call? do they leave a message? try the other phone number you designated? call later? Thanks all and congrats to those who received the acceptances!

They leave a message asking you to call them back. I missed my call on the 15th and called back like 10 minutes later. They dont leave messages saying "congratulations, you've been accepted," at least they didnt with me

 

[Davnport]

Thanks fellas. Well, that sucks for me then... no call. Alas. I guess that could mean that I will hear on the 15th?!?! Anxiety is rising 😱. I'm in the same boat as Sarg's kid - freak out sequence eminent...

 

[Davnport]

Also - is it the same person making the acceptance calls for all branches? Who calls? Dr. Calloway? I chose AF for my #1. Thanks again. Man, so many acceptances today. Great job all.

 

[mslall]

Also - is it the same person making the acceptance calls for all branches? Who calls? Dr. Calloway? I chose AF for my #1. Thanks again. Man, so many acceptances today. Great job all.

i went army and thats who called me

 

[Coastie2Doc]

Also - is it the same person making the acceptance calls for all branches? Who calls? Dr. Calloway? I chose AF for my #1. Thanks again. Man, so many acceptances today. Great job all.

I am headed Navy and CDR Calloway called me. And on a side note: When i got my call, I was so excited I forgot to ask what service I was selected for and had to call back and ask.

 

[Coastie2Doc]

For the current Navy students:

As an AD Coast Guard Officer transferring to the Navy, I am not required to attend OIS, so I will not receive the uniform issue. I am trying to figure out what uniforms I need to start tracking down at that various exchanges.

Should I be looking for NWU or woodland cammies?
Do you wear Service Khaki or Wash Khaki?
Is Black Service Dress ever worn or should I wait for the "Throwback" Khaki Service Dress?
Any reason to get Dinner Dress or Full Dress?
Do you ever wear Summer Whites?
Should I get a khaki Combo Cover or stick with just a white one?

I know that eventually a full seabag is required, I just don't want to break the bank on soon to be outdated uniforms. Any help is appreciated.

 

[mslall]

I am headed Navy and CDR Calloway called me. And on a side note: When i got my call, I was so excited I forgot to ask what service I i was selected for and had to call back and ask.

nice!

 

[mslall]

i've got similar a similar question to coastie's. I'm going army and am non-prior. I have no idea what uniforms I'll need (I assume several sets of ACUs). Aside from the ACUs what else do I need? I know I've got a long time until OBC but would like to at least start looking at stuff. I still have a valid ID so I can still shop at the exchanges/aafees, although I'm not sure how purchasing uniforms goes until your active duty, or at least in the system that way. I guess I'll just start saving up money now. Just wondering what/how many i'm going to need.

thanks

 

[dwb8p]

i've got similar a similar question to coastie's. I'm going army and am non-prior. I have no idea what uniforms I'll need (I assume several sets of ACUs). Aside from the ACUs what else do I need? I know I've got a long time until OBC but would like to at least start looking at stuff. I still have a valid ID so I can still shop at the exchanges/aafees, although I'm not sure how purchasing uniforms goes until your active duty, or at least in the system that way. I guess I'll just start saving up money now. Just wondering what/how many i'm going to need.

thanks

if anything i think it would behoove you the most to start breaking in a couple pairs of desert boots before OBC...then just wait for the packing list to be released and go off that.

 

[mslall]

if anything i think it would behoove you the most to start breaking in a couple pairs of desert boots before OBC...then just wait for the packing list to be released and go off that.

that sounds like a really, really, really good idea. Where do i get them?

 

[regnaR175]

Congratz to all of you who got your good news today!

 

[Brocimus]

Goose, mind telling me what your stats were on the tape test if you remember? Height, waist, neck? I remember you said you were about my height.

 

[TheGoose]

i would recommend you go to the local Armed Forces recruitment center and just ask the army recruiter to test you. I went in and asked if he could do it so that i can see how much i need to lose, but i brought the DA5500 form just in case i was within range. The recruiter was totally cool with it.

the stats that he took were: height 69.5, weight 189, waist 35.5 (around belly button), neck 15.5 giving a 20% calculation (22% max)......also, the reason i would recommend going to the recruiter is because they seemed to be fairly "liberal" with the measurements because theyre trying to help you join. Good luck

 

[Sarg's kid]

"The Department of Defense formula to compute body-fat percentage is somewhat complicated. For males, the formula is % body fat = 86.010 x log10(abdomen - neck) - 70.041 x log10(height) + 36.76, and for females, the formula is % body fat = 163.205 x log10(waist + hip - neck) - 97.684 x log10(height) - 78.387."

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/a/bodyfat.htm

I had what numbers I needed figured out before I went. You can also have a licensed trainer do it for you if you use a gym.

 

[bonvoyage]

question about security: i just finished my 2ndary and was going to mail it but then i read about security clearance. now im thinking i shouldnt mail the application... basically this is what is bothering me:
1) name someone who lives in usa and knew you over the last 7yrs. --i studied in canada full time and i lost all touch with any people in amerika. sure i lived in usa before school and now again. but i dont know anybody here.
2) give ur employement history. i could with great effort find the contact info for my employers here in usa from 5yrs ago. but probably couldnt. but anyway it's pointless if i cant answer #1. i just moved from 1 part of the city to another(i mean my parents moved) but i wouldnt be able to name any of their neighbors. i guess i could ask my parents to name them. but then if they go to interview them they'll only know "yeah he comes occasionally from canada. and he is very whiny. but he comes only like several days per year, so we tolerate him".

 

[manucelt]

that sounds like a really, really, really good idea. Where do i get them?

There are a bunch of online surplus stores, the best one in my opinion is Ranger Joe's they are a bit more expensive but have the best selection and return policies. You can also go to Clothing and Sales on any military post but unless you're near a big maneuver post i.e. Campbell, Bragg etc. there usually isn't much selection. They can order anything out of their catalog though.

I'd recommend the Belleville hot weather boots, they were issued by the army in the transistion to ACU's and are worn by most of us. I went through 2 pairs in Iraq and they are very comfortable.

As far as other things you'll need besides the ACU's themselves. You'll wear a patrol cap with shiny rank at Fort Sam so don't get your subdued rank sewn on before OBC. You'll also need velcro name tapes, U.S. army tapes subdued AMEDD patch (means the acu color patch don't get the red AMEDD patch that is only for Class A's) for left shoulder and full color us flag for right shoulder as well as your rank and some long socks the green ones in supply stores work best.

You'll need a dress uniform for the end of OBC but I'd wait til you get to Fort Sam to get that one because I'm not sure what they'll have you wear. Probably Dress Blues but they may use the new Army Dress uniform.

Thats all I can think of for now hope it helps

 

[manucelt]

i've got similar a similar question to coastie's. I'm going army and am non-prior. I have no idea what uniforms I'll need (I assume several sets of ACUs). Aside from the ACUs what else do I need? I know I've got a long time until OBC but would like to at least start looking at stuff. I still have a valid ID so I can still shop at the exchanges/aafees, although I'm not sure how purchasing uniforms goes until your active duty, or at least in the system that way. I guess I'll just start saving up money now. Just wondering what/how many i'm going to need.

thanks

On money for uniforms, commissioning officers who have never received a clothing allowance receive a one time allowance of 450 dollars (may have changed a bit but it should be in that vicinity). Officers are then responsible to purchase all your necessary uniforms, this isn't nearly enough especially since you will still need both class A's (for USUHS) and the full dress uniform for OBC and they both typically need well over 100 dollars in tailoring. ACU's aren't that expensive but they are very durable so 3 sets is probably sufficient.

 

[UTBME86]

On money for uniforms, commissioning officers who have never received a clothing allowance receive a one time allowance of 450 dollars (may have changed a bit but it should be in that vicinity). Officers are then responsible to purchase all your necessary uniforms, this isn't nearly enough especially since you will still need both class A's (for USUHS) and the full dress uniform for OBC and they both typically need well over 100 dollars in tailoring. ACU's aren't that expensive but they are very durable so 3 sets is probably sufficient.

So I wonder if USUHS will require Army students to even purchase the green class A's since we are moving to the new ASU. Should be interesting/expensive if we had to still buy the green class A's.

 

[177584]

So I wonder if USUHS will require Army students to even purchase the green class A's since we are moving to the new ASU. Should be interesting/expensive if we had to still buy the green class A's.

It will not be USUHS that governs the uniform. You will need to check the OBC info site as they will have your uniform list.

 

[airforcedukie]

sooooooo....any oct 2'ers hear back? from what I've gathered it's just the sept ppl ...

 

[utahjazz]

sooooooo....any oct 2'ers hear back? from what I've gathered it's just the sept ppl ...

Someone who interviewed on October 9th posted an acceptance on the pre-allo board on 10/30.

 

[Davnport]

Someone who interviewed on October 9th posted an acceptance on the pre-allo board on 10/30.

So I called on Thursday and the lady told me that acceptances are given on the 1st and 15th. Not wanting to sound rude I didn't let her know that I knew that, so I just said "oh, ok". She said that stuff would be mailed out next week.... That froze me a little considering I gave her my name and she looked me up. I then asked if stuff coming in the mail was necessarily a bad thing. She said she didn't know. Ouch. I don't know if I am going to make it. Don't know why exactly - I wasn't strange or weird during the interviews and I have valid reasons for military and medicine. Oh well. I guess I will find out later.

Good luck to everyone else.