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I have no idea how COCA approved them when everyone nows how aggressively ACOM is in controlling rotation sites in Alabama.

I honestly think these days COCA will approve you if you have money and a building plan. It's absurd.
 
serenade said:
I have no idea how COCA approved them when everyone nows how aggressively ACOM is in controlling rotation sites in Alabama.

I honestly think these days COCA will approve you if you have money and a building plan. It's absurd.
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I have $5 and a picture of an old, rickety house.
 
These new schools really do their students a great disservice, when they open with a class size of 150, then force some of their students into very poor rotations because they don't have enough quality slots.
 
EMDO2018 said:
These new schools really do their students a great disservice, when they open with a class size of 150, then force some of their students into very poor rotations because they don't have enough quality slots.
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Tbh, I won't be surprised if half their class is shipped to NC/SC/VA.
 
serenade said:
Tbh, I won't be surprised if half their class is shipped to NC/SC/VA.
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Agree. Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those students simply chose to find rotation sites on their own for the most part (like SGU/Ross students).
 
chizledfrmstone said:
Why would you say it's that bad?

It's not like LUCOM is opening up a satellite campus. Crap, did I just give them an idea?
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Because their access to rotations and residencies will be, to put it nicely not the best. There really wasn't a "need" for another campus in Auburn. And that they are planning to open already for this cycle with a large class.
 
WesternRedCedar said:
Because their access to rotations and residencies will be, to put it nicely not the best. There really wasn't a "need" for another campus in Auburn. And that they are planning to open already for this cycle with a large class.
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Most newer schools are opening with a class of 150. OU's extension campus in Dublin is the only one I can think of that hasn't.
 
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WesternRedCedar said:
Because their access to rotations and residencies will be, to put it nicely not the best. There really wasn't a "need" for another campus in Auburn. And that they are planning to open already for this cycle with a large class.
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medickdb said:
Most newer schools are opening with a class of 150. OU's extension campus in Athens is the only one I can think of that hasn't.
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COCA allows schools to enroll another 8% on top of their approved class size. Therefore they will probably have 162 students.
 
medickdb said:
Most newer schools are opening with a class of 150. OU's extension campus in Athens is the only one I can think of that hasn't.
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OU-HCOM could without any issue open up an entire new branch and I won't complain. They have enough residencies to let their graduates specialize in 3 specialties.
 
serenade said:
OU-HCOM could without any issue open up an entire new branch and I won't complain. They have enough residencies to let their graduates specialize in 3 specialties.
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No, I know. I'm just saying. It had the sense to only have a class of 50 there for its first class.
 
medickdb said:
No, I know. I'm just saying. It had the sense to only have a class of 50 there for its first class.
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Yah, I was mostly just being tangential and driving distinctions between established universities that really are solid and those that really aren't.

And it's not surprising that OU-HCOM made a branch campus with just 50 students. Oucom is obviously not in for the money.
 
LCME should be the accrediting body for ALL (MD/DO) schools so med schools wont turn into Pharm schools in the next 5-10 years...
 
serenade said:
Yah, I was mostly just being tangential and driving distinctions between established universities that really are solid and those that really aren't.

And it's not surprising that OU-HCOM made a branch campus with just 50 students. Oucom is obviously not in for the money.
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and their other campus at one of the cleveland clinic hospitals will only have 32 students/year
 
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BestDoctorEver said:
LCME should be the accrediting body for ALL (MD/DO) schools so med schools wont turn into Pharm schools in the next 5-10 years...
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You can say that again. The pharmacy forum is a freaking wasteland of despair.
 
WalSlave said:
You can say that again. The pharmacy forum is a freaking wasteland of despair.
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Yeah... I heard people are getting into pharm schools these days with <3.0 c/sGPA and 30%+ percentile PCAT. That is crazy!
 
BestDoctorEver said:
LCME should be the accrediting body for ALL (MD/DO) schools so med schools wont turn into Pharm schools in the next 5-10 years...
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Medicine won't turn into pharm, there will be a demand for physicians because the limiting factor for becoming a physician , residency slots, has remained static over the years. What you will have, is increased competition for residency slots and a lot of people going unmatched or taking the least desirable residencies that nobody but IMGs want, the match should be fun to watch in a few years .
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
Who will win the branch campus war? Touro, LECOM and now VCOM are head to head.
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I was planning on opening my own set of schools, The International House of Osteopathic Physicians, or IHOP. Tuition includes, but is not limited to, one free stack of buttermilk pancakes every Friday morning and a bottomless pot of coffee every day.
 
WalSlave said:
You can say that again. The pharmacy forum is a freaking wasteland of despair.
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Optometry is just as bad. Honestly all of these allied health doctorates are beginning to stink worse than rot and decay.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
Who will win the branch campus war? Touro, LECOM and now VCOM are head to head.
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For what it is worth LECOM still holds an enormous grasp on residencies and while they enroll over 500 students a year, they have seemed to remain solidly mid tier.

VCOM however is a small school with a small amount of resources and no significant OPTI. Their expansion only harms the prospects of students at their main campus in VCOM as it allocates money that could be spent bettering their students.
 
serenade said:
Optometry is just as bad. Honestly all of these allied health doctorates are beginning to stink worse than rot and decay.
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Pharmacy, optometry, and soon vet and dental will probably all be glutted. Pharmacy is particularly suffering, partly because of advances in dispensing technology that are killing jobs and a MASSIVE (100+%) increase in enrollment.

but I think the competitiveness of DO does not match up what it offers.
 
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user3 said:
Pharmacy, optometry, and soon vet and dental will probably all be glutted. Pharmacy is particularly suffering, partly because of advances in dispensing technology that are killing jobs and a MASSIVE (100+%) increase in enrollment.

I have always thought the competitiveness of DO doesn't match up at all what it offers. I think in coming years applying DO will be like "buying low".
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buying low?

Honestly, at this point I think we need to honestly admit that our entire generation is so screwed. We have the highest debt, the highest entry requirements, and yet the worst prospects for securing jobs. Law is dead. Allied health is dead. Engineering is offering slave wages. Nursing requires experience. Medicine is unreachable or pushes graduates into poorer prospects.

We're honestly living in some of the worst times ever and no one wants to even admit it.
 
BestDoctorEver said:
Yeah... I heard people are getting into pharm schools these days with <3.0 c/sGPA and 30%+ percentile PCAT. That is crazy!
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You don't even have to take the PCAT to get into Purdue pharm school which is ranked as one of the top programs in the nation! My school sends tons of students to Purdue pharm every year and most of the ones I know scored well below the average on the PCAT, had a so so GPA, and didn't even graduate with a degree since the requirement is a minimum of 90 credit hours along with the pre-reqs. Its a joke!
 
serenade said:
buying low?

Honestly, at this point I think we need to honestly admit that our entire generation is so screwed. We have the highest debt, the highest entry requirements, and yet the worst prospects for securing jobs. Law is dead. Allied health is dead. Engineering is offering slave wages. Nursing requires experience. Medicine is unreachable or pushes graduates into poorer prospects.

We're honestly living in some of the worst times ever and no one wants to even admit it.
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but someone with a 3.3/24 can rather easily (I know you will disagree) get into a DO school, do a noncompetitive residency like FM, and still have a solid-paying career with good job prospects (as of now).

and are all allied health fields really dead? I thought PA was still doing well.
 
serenade said:
buying low?

Honestly, at this point I think we need to honestly admit that our entire generation is so screwed. We have the highest debt, the highest entry requirements, and yet the worst prospects for securing jobs. Law is dead. Allied health is dead. Engineering is offering slave wages. Nursing requires experience. Medicine is unreachable or pushes graduates into poorer prospects.

We're honestly living in some of the worst times ever and no one wants to even admit it.
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AGREED...and pretty soon hospitals will be hiring "cheaper" nurse pracs to take over the PCPs jobs!!! (oh wait that's already happening)
 
mke520 said:
You don't even have to take the PCAT to get into Purdue pharm school which is ranked as one of the top programs in the nation! My school sends tons of students to Purdue pharm every year and most of the ones I know scored well below the average on the PCAT, had a so so GPA, and didn't even graduate with a degree since the requirement is a minimum of 90 credit hours along with the pre-reqs. Its a joke!
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Honestly most pharm schools happily take cc students all the time.
 
user3 said:
but someone with a 3.3/24 can rather easily (I know you will disagree) get into a DO school, do a noncompetitive residency like FM, and still have a solid-paying career with good job prospects (as of now).

and are all allied health fields really dead? I thought PA was still doing well.
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PA is solid, nursing is alright, DO is fine. I think we should all be really freaken happy that DO is still an open door, but the question is how long.
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
I was asking because according to Wikipedia, OUCOM was planning on opening a satellite campus in Dublin in 2015.
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I thought that class started this Fall. You could have requested Dublin as you first choice much like requesting LECOM - Seton Hill when applying to LECOM - Erie.
 
serenade said:
buying low?

Honestly, at this point I think we need to honestly admit that our entire generation is so screwed. We have the highest debt, the highest entry requirements, and yet the worst prospects for securing jobs. Law is dead. Allied health is dead. Engineering is offering slave wages. Nursing requires experience. Medicine is unreachable or pushes graduates into poorer prospects.

We're honestly living in some of the worst times ever and no one wants to even admit it.
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I have always believed that if you want be near the money then you have to be in a profession that decides where it goes.

Physicians, Engineers and Nurses don't decide where money goes. They're too busy working.

There is a reason more and more grads are going into administrative positions and leaving clinical behind.

Ibn Alnafis MD said:
I was asking because according to Wikipedia, OUCOM was planning on opening a satellite campus in Dublin in 2015.
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I think that site is already open? I sent my secondary to OU-HCOM and it was one of the options.

BestDoctorEver said:
Did not know about that... I think COCA should put a brake on the expansion...
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Why? I think it will be a great campus.
 
By the way, does anyone know if allopathic schools are proliferating?
 
serenade said:
buying low?

Honestly, at this point I think we need to honestly admit that our entire generation is so screwed. We have the highest debt, the highest entry requirements, and yet the worst prospects for securing jobs. Law is dead. Allied health is dead. Engineering is offering slave wages. Nursing requires experience. Medicine is unreachable or pushes graduates into poorer prospects.

We're honestly living in some of the worst times ever and no one wants to even admit it.
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The WHO is making all the money???? Where are the "gem" careers nowadays?
 
EMDO2018 said:
The WHO is making all the money???? Where are the "gem" careers nowadays?
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The job market is terrible across all professions. We need old people to retire already and provide the younger generations with more job opportunities.
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
The job market is terrible across all professions. We need old people to retire already and provide the younger generations with more job opportunities.
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and for investors to stop opening unneeded new professional schools for the free student loan money
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
The job market is terrible across all professions. We need old people to retire already and provide the younger generations with more job opportunities.
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Ironic how we're charged with keeping them alive if they so desire, isn't it?
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
By the way, does anyone know if allopathic schools are proliferating?
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I think they are trying to open more in California, California really does need more schools though.
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
The job market is terrible across all professions. We need old people to retire already and provide the younger generations with more job opportunities.
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In their defense, a lot of the older people in the job market are just trying to work until they can retire safely.
 
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