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buying low?

Honestly, at this point I think we need to honestly admit that our entire generation is so screwed. We have the highest debt, the highest entry requirements, and yet the worst prospects for securing jobs. Law is dead. Allied health is dead. Engineering is offering slave wages. Nursing requires experience. Medicine is unreachable or pushes graduates into poorer prospects.

We're honestly living in some of the worst times ever and no one wants to even admit it.

It looks like dermaplasticneurosurgery is the only path to contentment.
 
I agree, expansions of schools like OUCOM is a positive thing.
Yea, this. OU has a ton of scholarships, low(ish) tuition and is state supported. The new Dublin campus is in Columbus and students will rotate at Doctor's, Grant, Mount Carmel West, East, Riverside which are all big hospitals. There's already 10 summer trauma fellowship positions set up for the Dublin students at Grant. OU has 100+ residency affiliations at Doctor's, the new campus is 50 students. The campus in north Ohio already has established rotations and residency linkages with the Cleveland Clinic and is 35 students. OU pushes primary care a lot (they're state supported after all). About 60% of the grads does IM/FM/Peds
 
No there are enough schools in the US already, and too many residencies in certain specialties as well


Cali, has almost 40 million people and about 10 med schools. Its really tough to get into school in that state. There are kids with 3.8 35 who aren't getting in anywhere.
 
Cali, has almost 40 million people and about 10 med schools. Its really tough to get into school in that state. There are kids with 3.8 35 who aren't getting in anywhere.

The proud republic of California man.
 
ACOM was there first, so do they have anything to fear as far as rotations go? I keep hearing they are protective, but what does that really mean? Do they have a contract already?


You cali kids should move to the deep south for med school, it will be a unique cultural experience😉. If you ever want to travel back in time, without actually going back in time, live in Mississippi for a while.
 
Sounds like Canada.

If California needs more doctors, opening a residency is the better solution. It's not like it wouldn't fill if there wasn't a feeder medical school in the vicinity.😉 Plenty of folks would move to California. Opening another medical school only creates competition four years down the line, where the stakes are much higher.

Premeds should just suck it up and leave California for a few years. I was born and raised in San Diego so I know the pain of not being able to study in the sand at Del Mar beach, grab fish tacos for dinner and eat a See's butterscotch square for dessert in 72 degree weather in December. Oh well, it will still be there when we are attendings.
So much pain in the world...🙄
 
So much pain in the world...🙄


Let's be completely frank, if we had the chance we'd all grab that.

Hell I don't understand why this entire planet's ecosystem isn't marine beaches and spread out atolls. Can we can a One Piece World please?
 
Let's be completely frank, if we had the chance we'd all grab that.

Hell I don't understand why this entire planet's ecosystem isn't marine beaches and spread out atolls. Can we can a One Piece World please?
I'll give you that man. I could spend every single day of the rest of my life in Tulum...
 
^ Forgive my ignorance, but can you explain the pessimism? Why is "winter coming" for DO schools? Sure, more DO schools (3-5) will be opening in the next few years I believe. But it is my understanding that by 2020 or 2021 the MD and DO residencies will merge. Wouldn't that provide DO (and MD) schools more residency options to apply to in the future?
 
in before ignorant, desperate new applicants hail and defend this school just like they did LUCOM this cycle. every new school makes the whole situation worse, but with each year a new cohort of uninformed individuals will come here, apply, and act like this is no big deal. sigh
 
in before ignorant, desperate new applicants hail and defend this school just like they did LUCOM this cycle. every new school makes the whole situation worse, but with each year a new cohort of uninformed individuals will come here, apply, and act like this is no big deal. sigh

Pretty much. Few people genuinely can sit here today and with a straight face say that DO expansion is not threatening to dilute the profession.
 
No there are enough schools in the US already, and too many residencies in certain specialties as well
No there aren't. There's a huge shortage, and if we push out Caribbean, we'll have plenty of residency spots for everyone and US trained physicians.
 
Sounds like Canada.

If California needs more doctors, opening a residency is the better solution. It's not like it wouldn't fill if there wasn't a feeder medical school in the vicinity.😉 Plenty of folks would move to California. Opening another medical school only creates competition four years down the line, where the stakes are much higher.

Premeds should just suck it up and leave California for a few years. I was born and raised in San Diego so I know the pain of not being able to study in the sand at Del Mar beach, grab fish tacos for dinner and eat a See's butterscotch square for dessert in 72 degree weather in December. Oh well, it will still be there when we are attendings.


same thing is happening with pharmacy.

higher education, esp healthcare where common perception of "money" and "job security" is, is lucrative business. It's very simple that more money to be made opening schools than residencies.

Money talks !! :whistle::whistle:
 
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Pretty much. Few people genuinely can sit here today and with a straight face say that DO expansion is not threatening to dilute the profession.
One can only hope that DO schools won't be like law/pharm schools the way things are going now... COCA should stop that nonsense!
 
Honestly we've seen pharmacy go from being lucrative to a major debt trap. That should scare us enough to protect medicine.
dentistry is edging in that direction too. It has been very sad to see pharmacy, a once solid and respected profession, implode due to reckless expansion.
 
dentistry is edging in that direction too. It has been very sad to see pharmacy, a once solid and respected profession, implode due to reckless expansion.

Optometry is already in the grave.

Dentistry is actually right now one of the worst careers ever unless you're extremely business savey. 80k a year for Dental school = students coming out with nearly half a million in debt by the start of their first salaries associateship paying 80k a year.


I really can honestly say that the roads to being middle class these days are almost non existent. I mean it won't be long until engineering falls and we will legit need to riot.
 
In the early 2000's and late 2000's, there was a sky-is-falling mentality toward engineering (especially those in software) due to fears of outsourcing that would lead to a glut of engineers, causing many of them to be unemployed. In fact, I know many former engineers who flocked to the health professions as these are seen as "recession-proof" and cannot be outsourced, but they eventually learned the hard way that education programs took advantage of the demand for health profession degrees, causing the job market to be flooded with indebted new graduates unable to find jobs. The uncertainty in reimbursements with the implementation of health reform has led many hospitals to cut staff, further causing the job market to deteriorate. On the other hand, engineers seem to be doing relatively well today.

Lesson learned: one-upping others with an advanced degree and/or working in an "unoutsourceable" field neither make you financially better off nor guarantees job stability.
 
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In the early 2000's and late 2000's, there was a sky-is-falling mentality toward engineering (especially those in software) due to fears of outsourcing that would lead to a glut of engineers, causing many of them to be unemployed. In fact, I know many former engineers who flocked to the health professions as these are seen as "recession-proof" and cannot be outsourced, but they eventually learned the hard way that education programs took advantage of the demand for health profession degrees, causing the job market to be flooded with indebted new graduates unable to find jobs. On the other hand, engineers seem to be doing relatively well today.

Lesson learned: one-upping others with an advanced degree and/or working in an "unoutsourceable" field neither make you financially better off nor guarantees job stability.


Yah I've seen it in person and seen two engineers do a career change.

But yah, engineering isn't that great atm either. All new jobs are 'contract' jobs i.e work for 6 months with no benefits and lets see what happens after there and many of the jobs are paying as low as 15 an hour. I can get that with a GED at home depo mind you.
 
But yah, engineering isn't that great atm either. All new jobs are 'contract' jobs i.e work for 6 months with no benefits and lets see what happens after there and many of the jobs are paying as low as 15 an hour. I can get that with a GED at home depo mind you.

It probably depends on the discipline. Demand for computer engineers is red-hot due to the boom in social media. Petroleum engineers are in high demand from shale oil extraction, although that might change according to regulations and oil reserves. I can't speak much for the other fields.
 
Yah I've seen it in person and seen two engineers do a career change.

But yah, engineering isn't that great atm either. All new jobs are 'contract' jobs i.e work for 6 months with no benefits and lets see what happens after there and many of the jobs are paying as low as 15 an hour. I can get that with a GED at home depo mind you.

All the while enduring higher and higher college tuition
 
Optometry is already in the grave.

Dentistry is actually right now one of the worst careers ever unless you're extremely business savey. 80k a year for Dental school = students coming out with nearly half a million in debt by the start of their first salaries associateship paying 80k a year.


I really can honestly say that the roads to being middle class these days are almost non existent. I mean it won't be long until engineering falls and we will legit need to riot.
I wonder if podiatry will start getting more competitive as pharmacy and optometry are practically dead, and dentistry is starting to saturate along with their tuition skyrocketing.
 
I wonder if podiatry will start getting more competitive as pharmacy and optometry are practically dead, and dentistry is starting to saturate along with their tuition skyrocketing.

I'm largely unsure of why podiatry to begin with is so uncompetitive. I think that in the end it's because of the mcat requirement, a pre-pod who scores a 30 on his mcat is probably going to go to MD or DO school because he know he'll be a "real doctor" and can specialize in Ortho and get paid more. But who knows.. most people will score pretty badly on the mcat honestly because compared to other standardized tests that you need to study at tops a month to get 90th percentile for the mcat 3 months will barely get you 70th.
 
I'm largely unsure of why podiatry to begin with is so uncompetitive. I think that in the end it's because of the mcat requirement, a pre-pod who scores a 30 on his mcat is probably going to go to MD or DO school because he know he'll be a "real doctor" and can specialize in Ortho and get paid more. But who knows.. most people will score pretty badly on the mcat honestly because compared to other standardized tests that you need to study at tops a month to get 90th percentile for the mcat 3 months will barely get you 70th.

Well, here is the answer to your question:

Did you apply to podiatry school? If so, why not?

Edit: I'm pretty sure that Pod schools have their own problems tho. While there are only 8ish i think, I know that they were having a residency problem a little while ago
 
You cali kids should move to the deep south for med school, it will be a unique cultural experience😉. If you ever want to travel back in time, without actually going back in time, live in Mississippi for a while.

Travelling Back in Time: The fantasy that only white men can realistically partake in

Seriously screw that. I'll stay here thank you very much.
 
And there also need to be some names and faces associated with the people making all the decisions about our future, and a way to contact them.
We can change the status quo by paying more attention to politics and voting nice politicians into office.

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