Wayne State University part 02

[oldjeeps]

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By the way - what do you mean by "escape from WSU-SOM?" You mean to say you didn't like it here? 😱

I occasionally forget that there are readers that haven’t gotten used to what I like to call my sense of humor over the last 18+ pages of this thread (and its predecessor) – although there may some debate as to how funny it is😀.

I have been satisfied with my education at WSU.
However, as is that case with folks at every school I have my list of gripes – not all of which are due to the school, some are due to becoming fatigued with the area.
It boils down to the fact that I (and I think some, if not many of my classmates) really feel the need for a change of scenery.

 

[unoriginal]

I occasionally forget that there are readers that haven’t gotten used to what I like to call my sense of humor over the last 18+ pages of this thread (and its predecessor) – although there may some debate as to how funny it is😀.

I have been satisfied with my education at WSU.
However, as is that case with folks at every school I have my list of gripes – not all of which are due to the school, some are due to becoming fatigued with the area.
It boils down to the fact that I (and I think some, if not many of my classmates) really feel the need for a change of scenery.

Oh yeah, there are worse places than detroit (i.e. bahgdad), but not many. I will be happy when I am out! As far as education goes, there is only so much an institution can do to help you along- the majority is up to the individual. At wayne, all the tools are available, but no one is going to spoon feed you.

 

[unoriginal]

When I see M1s & M2s, I always feel bad for them. Just knowing what they have in front of them. I know I will feel same way about rising M3s. I like medicine and all (and would do it over again if I could back in time), but I would not want to redo medical school for a second time over. If someone came to me and told me I had to redo the last 3 years, I would politely give them the bird, probably spit in their face, and walk away.

So my question is to the rising PGY1s, looking back at 4th year, do you feel bad for rising MS4s?

 

[V4Vegetarian]

I occasionally forget that there are readers that haven’t gotten used to what I like to call my sense of humor over the last 18+ pages of this thread (and its predecessor) – although there may some debate as to how funny it is😀.

I have been satisfied with my education at WSU.
However, as is that case with folks at every school I have my list of gripes – not all of which are due to the school, some are due to becoming fatigued with the area.
It boils down to the fact that I (and I think some, if not many of my classmates) really feel the need for a change of scenery.

I got it, I got it - I was joking myself actually.
I wish you guys good luck with your residencies - I understand the need for a change of scenery - I am barely done with my first year of medical school - and I already need one.

I must say no one has called me a "reader" before. Don't know whether I'd like to get used to this term 🙂

 

[oldjeeps]

So my question is to the rising PGY1s, looking back at 4th year, do you feel bad for rising MS4s?

At times (rising cost of attendance, WSU hoops, step 2CS and CK, etc), but at other times I am extremely jealous of the decreased work and responsibility you have.
I think that I am going to miss having such an extensive safety net over me (it’ll still be there, just a little thinner)... just hope that I don't screw up in July and end up killing a Pt.

 

[oldjeeps]

I must say no one has called me a "reader" before. Don't know whether I'd like to get used to this term 🙂

Only a matter of time until you have to get used to being a “provider”.
Now that’s a term that annoys me since I am not paying a small fortune to go to “provider school”.

 

[deowolf04]

How about this for a few match day statistics.
33 of us are going into EM (including myself and at least 2 others on this thread). We're the #1 class specialty! And only 3 shy of the record.
21 went into anesthesiology (more than the last 2 years combined)
10 matched into neuro (almost as much as the last two years combined)
7 matched into optho (more than either of the last two years)
9 matched into ortho (that's saying something with the DMC program getting dissolved 1.5 years ago)
Primary care: 22 FM, 32 IM, 22 Peds, 6 Med/Peds

Congratulations to everyone that I did not say that to during the celebration. I'll see many of you tonight at Centaur.

 

[unoriginal]

How about this for a few match day statistics.
33 of us are going into EM (including myself and at least 2 others on this thread). We're the #1 class specialty! And only 3 shy of the record.
21 went into anesthesiology (more than the last 2 years combined)
10 matched into neuro (almost as much as the last two years combined)
7 matched into optho (more than either of the last two years)
9 matched into ortho (that's saying something with the DMC program getting dissolved 1.5 years ago)
Primary care: 22 FM, 32 IM, 22 Peds, 6 Med/Peds

Congratulations to everyone that I did not say that to during the celebration. I'll see many of you tonight at Centaur.

congrats!

 

[tybalt]

How about this for a few match day statistics.
33 of us are going into EM (including myself and at least 2 others on this thread). We're the #1 class specialty! And only 3 shy of the record.
21 went into anesthesiology (more than the last 2 years combined)
10 matched into neuro (almost as much as the last two years combined)
7 matched into optho (more than either of the last two years)
9 matched into ortho (that's saying something with the DMC program getting dissolved 1.5 years ago)
Primary care: 22 FM, 32 IM, 22 Peds, 6 Med/Peds

Congratulations to everyone that I did not say that to during the celebration. I'll see many of you tonight at Centaur.

Do you know how many people had to scramble?

 

[deowolf04]

Do you know how many people had to scramble?

No, and I don't think we are ever going to find out. However, a full dozen decided to "defer residency training." Whether that was intentional and they are just taking a year off or they did not match and are trying again next year, I don't know.

And in case anyone else is curious, 12 matched into diagnostic radiology (down from 14 in 2007 and 25 in 2006) and 3 matched into rad/onc.

I think Dr. Black will be posting these statistics in addition to where everyone individually matched sometime soon outside student affairs.

 

[coffeebythelake]

How about this for a few match day statistics.
33 of us are going into EM (including myself and at least 2 others on this thread). We're the #1 class specialty! And only 3 shy of the record.
21 went into anesthesiology (more than the last 2 years combined)
10 matched into neuro (almost as much as the last two years combined)
7 matched into optho (more than either of the last two years)
9 matched into ortho (that's saying something with the DMC program getting dissolved 1.5 years ago)
Primary care: 22 FM, 32 IM, 22 Peds, 6 Med/Peds

Congratulations to everyone that I did not say that to during the celebration. I'll see many of you tonight at Centaur.

That's a pretty impressive match list.

 

[unoriginal]

That's a pretty impressive match list.

any of the 4th years have a copy of the official match list or anyone know if it is hanging up at scott hall?>

 

[dancinjenn]

Who's going to lampoon? It's sold out - better be good. Has to be better than last year...also the wonderful addition of EtOH! NICE.

ok - so lame post that was really just to bump us back to the top.

 

[lil'trooper]

Embarassing question.

I'm starting in August and I promise I barely barely care at all about things like US News and World Reports. But I keep thinking about how Wayne is in the hinterlands of page 5 of 6 for Primary Care. I know their methodology is quasi-wack.

Are folks at Wayne thinking about this or are you too busy doing work and kicking ass? And can I say ass?

 

[tybalt]

Embarassing question.

I'm starting in August and I promise I barely barely care at all about things like US News and World Reports. But I keep thinking about how Wayne is in the hinterlands of page 5 of 6 for Primary Care. I know their methodology is quasi-wack.

Are folks at Wayne thinking about this or are you too busy doing work and kicking ass? And can I say ass?

I stopped caring about magazine rankings when I applied to med school and realized they are a little more than quazi-wack 🙂

Learning has much more to do with the hard work you are willing to put in during med school... not the school's ranking (though it certainly is an advantage to have a "name brand" school on your residency application!).

There's no denying that the top schools on those lists are great schools, but I really don't think you should put much thought into the rankings... nobody else does except the schools that rank at the top -- e.g. when I interviewd at UofM, I remember hearing no less than 5 times how they were so highly ranked. All I thought was "awesome. where's my free lunch." And then I ate lunch; it was good.

 

[unoriginal]

Embarassing question.

I'm starting in August and I promise I barely barely care at all about things like US News and World Reports. But I keep thinking about how Wayne is in the hinterlands of page 5 of 6 for Primary Care. I know their methodology is quasi-wack.

Are folks at Wayne thinking about this or are you too busy doing work and kicking ass? And can I say ass?

How well someone does in medical school is based more on the individual than the school. Overall, you will get a good education at Wayne. WSUSOM has a lot to offer. US&News rankngs are basically crap. However, if you think you have a chance to get into one of the "Great" schools, then go. When I say "Great", I mean like UM, harvard, duke, etc. Outside of the top 10-15 schools or so, ranking shouldn't play much of a part in your decision. Name recognition does come into play somewhat, but it isn't going to make or break you. The quality of medical schools is highly regulated and not as variable as grad schools or law schools. The actual differences between schools, outside of location and other personal factors, is going to be small.

Important things to look for during your interview is how the various years are setup. How is the school trying to improve itself? What resources do they offer students? How are the clinical years setup? What kind of experiences do the students get? Is the school primary care oriented? How will the school help you achieve what you want to achieve? didatics vs small group vs problem based learning. Video recorded lectures? Course packs? What do you prefer? Talk to the students and see how they feel about their school. etc etc etc. Is the school in the right location? the right price?

It's hard to know what is important when evaluating schools as a premed because you essentially have no clue what is important. The majority of the factors that affect your decision are going to be personal and more specific than a subjective ranking.

 

[lil'trooper]

My evaluation system currently consists of:

1. Where did I get in?

🙂

 

[tybalt]

So where is this alleged email that tells us if we got our choices? Speece said in his original email outlining the process that we would get an email today after the lottery closed... hmmm...

 

[katrinadams9]

Cleaning out the bookshelf to prepare for residency. Here is my list of books...

Step 1 prep
Step Up for Step 1
First Aid for Step 1
Kaplan Step 1 Qbook
BRS: biochem, neuroanatomy, physiology
Robbins and Cotran Review of Pathology question book
High yeild Gross Anatomy
Lippincott's board review: pharm and biochem
Appleton and Lange board review: Micro/Immuno and Pharm

Step 2 prep
USMLE step 2 Secrets
Deja review for Step 2
Crush Step 2
Kaplan Step 2 Qbook

Year 2 books
Swartz Physical Diagnosis book
Robbin's and Cotran Pathologic basis of Disease (big Robbins)

Year 3 books
Case Files: OB/gyn, peds, IM
Pretest: peds and IM
Boards and Wards
Blueprints: FM and Ob/gyn
MKSAP 3 for students (great for IM questions)
Step Up to Medicine

The price is $10 per book or best offer. Email me at [email protected] if interested. I am done with rotations, so I can meet you at school or you can stop by my house in Livonia.

Katrina

 

[oldjeeps]

Tip to anyone thinking to do the forensic pathology rotation.

The course coordinator has gotten annoyed by ‘too many students not taking the rotation seriously enough and blowing off the first day’. So they have a new policy that went into effect today (not sure if WSU-SOM is aware of it, yet) that if you show up late on the first day and had not contacted the coordinator previously then you fail the rotation… which is going to really suck for the student that didn’t show up today (don’t know who it was but they kept asking me if I knew, ________, the other student that was supposed to be there).

 

[tybalt]

Yea!!! I got what I wanted so far for 4th year 🙂

 

[deowolf04]

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[tybalt]

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Mwa ha ha. Your anonymity has been compromised! 😛

 

[unoriginal]

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doh i missed it!! the one night i go out and do something fun....

 

[tybalt]

doh i missed it!! the one night i go out and do something fun....

my testimony can be purchased for the right price... $$$


(just kidding deowolf... I wouldn't sell you out. Unless it was for more than $50, then I probably would because I could really use $50.)

 

[fun8stuff]

my testimony can be purchased for the right price... $$$


(just kidding deowolf... I wouldn't sell you out. Unless it was for more than $50, then I probably would because I could really use $50.)

don't feel bad deowolf, everyone on this site knows who i am. half the time, i will be rotating with people and i know they know who i am, i just pretend i don't know that they know. and then there are those like tybalt and mendal that know who i am and i know who they are and in person, tybalt just ignores me straight to my face.... not really though.

 

[tybalt]

don't feel bad deowolf, everyone on this site knows who i am. half the time, i will be rotating with people and i know they know who i am, i just pretend i don't know that they know. and then there are those like tybalt and mendal that know who i am and i know who they are and in person, tybalt just ignores me straight to my face.... not really though.

Nope! Sometimes you and I see eachother and we don't even say hi to eachother! It's like a secret internet affair we all have with eachother 🙂

 

[deowolf04]

Mwa ha ha. Your anonymity has been compromised! 😛

I'm matched and about to leave the site. Do you honestly think that I did not reveal myself intentionally? I've considered suggesting all the 4th years on this site set a get-together spot during one of the graduation festivities and reveal our identities to each other.

 

[tybalt]

I'm matched and about to leave the site. Do you honestly think that I did not reveal myself intentionally? I've considered suggesting all the 4th years on this site set a get-together spot during one of the graduation festivities and reveal our identities to each other.

No -- I was just goofing around 🙂

TROGGGDOOOORRRRR!!!! Burninating the country!!!

 

[dancinjenn]

I think just about everybody knows who I am...I doubt that you could really miss me during my marathon of pregnancies. 🙄 If you can't figure me out then you have some issues.

ha

 

[unoriginal]

I think just about everybody knows who I am...I doubt that you could really miss me during my marathon of pregnancies. 🙄 If you can't figure me out then you have some issues.

ha

wait, who are you? isn't your name amy?

 

[tybalt]

In case anyone has not seen this yet: http://prognosis.med.wayne.edu/pdfs/match_day_by_name2.pdf

 

[dancinjenn]

wait, who are you? isn't your name amy?

how very unorig---- ok, just can't do it.

btw, surgery is sooo cool. The senior this morning already let me close all by my little ol' self. wo-f'in-hoo. Off to liver land next....

 

[lil'trooper]

Hi Old Timers (sadly, I'm probably older than most of you)-

New newbie question:

I just received the following email. Is this an improvement or a bad thing? Of course, it's both, but any individual opinions would be appreciated.

Please read this message from Dr. Roe regarding Clinical Campus Initiative. Contact Dr. Roe if you have any questions.

Dear Member of the Class of 2012,

We would like to inform you about changes that will be taking place in the way students are assigned for their required core clinical clerkships in Year 3 of the medical student program.

Under the new Wayne State University School of Medicine Clinical Campus Initiative students in Year 3 will complete all or most of their required clerkships at a single hospital or healthcare system affiliated with the School of Medicine. Year 3 students will complete the following clerkships predominantly at a single hospital or healthcare system: 8 weeks each of Internal Medicine, General Surgery, Pediatrics, and Obstetrics and Gynecology; 4 weeks of Family Medicine, Neurology, and Psychiatry.

Year 3 students will schedule a 4 week elective at any of the hospitals or healthcare systems. Year 4 students will continue to schedule their rotations at the hospitals of their choice following existing School of Medicine guidelines. The Year 4 rotations are 1 month each of 3 required rotation!s, Emergency Medicine, Inpatient Subinternship, Ambulatory Medicine, and 5 Elective months.

The Clinical Campuses are being established at the same hospitals and healthcare systems that have traditionally hosted our students for their clinical clerkships. Students will be assigned to a Clinical Campus by a lottery system that will take place near the end of their second year of medical school. As a part of this process students will submit a rank order list of their preferred campuses.

It is our firm belief that the Clinical Campus program will assure our students the continued excellence in clinical education for which the Wayne State University School of Medicine has long been known.

 

[tybalt]

Hi Old Timers (sadly, I'm probably older than most of you)-

New newbie question:

I just received the following email. Is this an improvement or a bad thing? Of course, it's both, but any individual opinions would be appreciated... "clerkships predominantly at a single hospital or healthcare system..."[/I]

Personally I think it stinks:

...I also heard a rumor today that we will be assigned to a hospital for all of our rotations and current second years are going to do a pilot program of about a tenth of them. Apparently our counselor has been saying this. What do you guys think?

I think that's crappy -- I have enjoyed traveling to different hospitals and experiencing different systems.

I agree with Tybalt - definitely crappy. I feel that I have a better understanding of the different types of hospital systems (community vs university, inner city vs suburban, etc.) because I have had the opportunity to rotate through a mixture of them.

Only good thing that I can think of that would result from that change would be not having to learn a new system everytime you start a rotation. Having to learn the 'ropes' (parking; location of lab, bathroom, food, etc; how to place orders; how to get patient records; etc) everytime you started a rotation at a new to you site tended to get old.

With that said, it may be that students will learn more since they won't be the "new employee" every 4 or 8 weeks. Knowing how to operate the computer system like a pro can take a few weeks... it would be a plus to be more helpful and learn more in every rotation after your first.

I guess all you can say is choose your hospital wisely (i.e. don't choose the VA...)

 

[dancinjenn]

Hi Old Timers (sadly, I'm probably older than most of you)-

New newbie question:

Dear Member of the Class of 2012,

Under the new Wayne State University School of Medicine Clinical Campus Initiative students in Year 3 will complete all or most of their required clerkships at a single hospital or healthcare system affiliated with the School of Medicine. Year 3 students will complete the following clerkships predominantly at a single hospital or healthcare system: 8 weeks each of Internal Medicine, General Surgery, Pediatrics, and Obstetrics and Gynecology; 4 weeks of Family Medicine, Neurology, and Psychiatry.

Year 3 students will schedule a 4 week elective at any of the hospitals or healthcare systems. Year 4 students will continue to schedule their rotations at the hospitals of their choice following existing School of Medicine guidelines. The Year 4 rotations are 1 month each of 3 required rotation!s, Emergency Medicine, Inpatient Subinternship, Ambulatory Medicine, and 5 Elective months.

This program is going to be piloted over the next two years with a select group of students, or so I've heard from very reliable sources in offices who would know such things. I think that the following things need to happen:

1. Find out who these people are ASAP
2. Involve them in many discussions on pro's/con's
3. If they all are in agreement that this sucks royally - then move to #4.
4. 😡REVOLT! En masse! Perform sit down strikes, rallys whatever it takes to stop this (IMHO - worst thing to happen to med students) crazy a*s plan of theirs.

I don't really know if this will work or not. I think that one of the great things about our system currently is to be able to see Rad at Henry Ford, and do Neuro at Beaumont and medicine at St.John. and surgery at DRH/Harper depending on which rotations you want the full experience and those in which you could care less. It really lets you see the difference in the patient population base between the burbs and downtown. I guess that 4th year will be the same as it is now. But honestly I couldn't imagine spending all my core clerkships at Providence.....

I could rant for hmmm - an hour on how I think this "system" sucks. But I'll try and behave.

 

[tybalt]

I couldn't imagine spending all my core clerkships at Providence.....

From my own experience and from what I have heard others say -- the only good core clerkship at providence is OB/Gyn. Medicine sux, neuro sux, psych sux. Surgery is doesn't suck per say, but my friend had it and said it was super light... probably the only lighter one is the month at oakwood which is good or bad depending on your POV.

<--isn't this a fun icon? I used to like spam sandwiches. Nothing but spam between two pieces of wonder bread fried in a pan... pretty tasty. You can pretty much feel your arteries clogging; that's how you know it's good.

 

[Flobber]

From my own experience and from what I have heard others say -- the only good core clerkship at providence is OB/Gyn. Medicine sux, neuro sux, psych sux. Surgery is doesn't suck per say, but my friend had it and said it was super light... probably the only lighter one is the month at oakwood which is good or bad depending on your POV.

<--isn't this a fun icon? I used to like spam sandwiches. Nothing but spam between two pieces of wonder bread fried in a pan... pretty tasty. You can pretty much feel your arteries clogging; that's how you know it's good.

What, in particular, is bad about Providence? I had heard it was a pretty easy going experience...

 

[utscdave]

Hi everyone,

I am planning on coming to Wayne next year, but I received the same message via email as well. I am concerned about how this will affect the quality of our clinical education. I always had the impression that Wayne's strong point was its clinical exposure for 3rd and 4th year students. Do you think this new program could be detrimental to 2012 students education? For example, if you are put into a suburb, you may be missing out on some inner-city health cases. How do the current medical students feel about this?

 

[deowolf04]

Hi everyone,

I am planning on coming to Wayne next year, but I received the same message via email as well. I am concerned about how this will affect the quality of our clinical education. I always had the impression that Wayne's strong point was its clinical exposure for 3rd and 4th year students. Do you think this new program could be detrimental to 2012 students education? For example, if you are put into a suburb, you may be missing out on some inner-city health cases. How do the current medical students feel about this?

As I've told a few current students that will have to deal with this, resist it at every opportunity. Part of what gives Wayne its good reputation for clinical training is the option to train at multiple sites, so you get a very good idea of what working at different hospitals is like and you get to see how different systems work/don't work 🙂barf:Harper). Imagine if you absolutley hate a particular hospital and you are stuck there for the entire year.

This seems like a ploy from a very lazy administration that doesn't want to have to deal with placing all 300+ students at all the different hospital sites each month. It has no benefit to you whatsoever (except maybe getting you used to only one hospital EMR/layout) and will certainly be a detriment to your education.

 

[TMP-SMX]

It's a match system so it's not entirely a crap shoot, however I do know a lot of hospital systems are trying to keep students around and hopefully get them into residencies. All of the hospital systems are trying to fight for spots and political clout.

 

[mendel121]

As I've told a few current students that will have to deal with this, resist it at every opportunity. Part of what gives Wayne its good reputation for clinical training is the option to train at multiple sites, so you get a very good idea of what working at different hospitals is like and you get to see how different systems work/don't work 🙂barf:Harper). Imagine if you absolutley hate a particular hospital and you are stuck there for the entire year.

This seems like a ploy from a very lazy administration that doesn't want to have to deal with placing all 300+ students at all the different hospital sites each month. It has no benefit to you whatsoever (except maybe getting you used to only one hospital EMR/layout) and will certainly be a detriment to your education.

I went to a dinner given by one of the clinical departments last week (kissing a** for letters of rec). The dinner was a CME event, so some assisitant dean was there making sure that there wasn't a commercial bias to the talk - anyway he was asking me about this.

I told him I thought it was a terrible idea. He said that they realize this, but that they are doing it because of the uncertainties with the DMC - he wouldn't say it but it sounds like they are getting ready for the day when the DMC isn't available to train Wayne students. I didn't understand exactly how this helps with the DMC thing, but that's what he said.

I've been a pretty strong defender of the school, even arguing with some on this forum, but it's getting harder and harder to do this.

If given a choice, I would not choose Wayne to join the 2012 class. The way the stuff with the DMC is going. It hurts me to say that but, I'm just not sure where students will be trained. I'm rotating with a UM student now, and UM is telling their students that the school will be offering more and more positions for rotations at Henry Ford, so it sounds like we're getting shut out of Henry Ford too.

I'm just so tired of this G*D D*MN place.

 

[oldjeeps]

Hi everyone,

I am planning on coming to Wayne next year, but I received the same message via email as well. I am concerned about how this will affect the quality of our clinical education. I always had the impression that Wayne's strong point was its clinical exposure for 3rd and 4th year students. Do you think this new program could be detrimental to 2012 students education? For example, if you are put into a suburb, you may be missing out on some inner-city health cases. How do the current medical students feel about this?

My opinion is unchanged from what Tybalt has already quoted.

IMHO part of the driving force for this is the various hospitals wanting a commitment from WSU that they will have X number of students available for their rotations (so that they know how much "free labor" they are going to have) at all times.
This is probably partly driven by some of the hospitals whining that they don't get as many students as they would like/need for some rotations (think medicine at some of the lesser liked sites) - as was one of the arguments from one of the sites that will be hosting the MSU students.
My answer to the various sites would be to make some changes that will result in students wanting to do rotations at that site. Why don't the hospitals just accept that fact that med students can be easily purchased - just look at what club beau and st john's do in order to get us to want to go there (decent food, nice call rooms, free food, good teaching, etc).

 

[unoriginal]

I went to a dinner given by one of the clinical departments last week (kissing a** for letters of rec). The dinner was a CME event, so some assisitant dean was there making sure that there wasn't a commercial bias to the talk - anyway he was asking me about this.

I told him I thought it was a terrible idea. He said that they realize this, but that they are doing it because of the uncertainties with the DMC - he wouldn't say it but it sounds like they are getting ready for the day when the DMC isn't available to train Wayne students. I didn't understand exactly how this helps with the DMC thing, but that's what he said.

Evidently, when the LCME, or whatever they call themselves, came and checked wayne one of the things they were worried about was enough spots for WSU students at the DMC, seeing how things have been kind of shaky--- and WSU has been increasing class size. So the solution put fourth was to make sure there is a guarenteed regular number of spots at the other hospitals and have groups of students assigned to these hospitals. Not sure if that makes any more sense though. However, nobody in the professional community is happy about what the DMC is doing....

That would really suck if less WSU students could go to HF. Same thing with beaumont once they get their med school up and running. The best hospital systems for students are HF, beaumont, and oakwood. if 2/3 are decreased... not good! I am just glad I am getting out of here soon!

 

[dancinjenn]

Evidently, when the LCME, or whatever they call themselves, came and checked wayne one of the things they were worried about was enough spots for WSU students at the DMC, seeing how things have been kind of shaky--- and WSU has been increasing class size. So the solution put fourth was to make sure there is a guarenteed regular number of spots at the other hospitals and have groups of students assigned to these hospitals. Not sure if that makes any more sense though. However, nobody in the professional community is happy about what the DMC is doing....

That would really suck if less WSU students could go to HF. Same thing with beaumont once they get their med school up and running. The best hospital systems for students are HF, beaumont, and oakwood. if 2/3 are decreased... not good! I am just glad I am getting out of here soon!

You can guarantee spots at hospitals w/o making the same student do all of their rotations there. You just have to fill those spots every month. Which is what they basically do now. With a class of 300+ it shouldn't be a problem to fill 10-20 spots a month at any particular place!

As to the DMC - I think that the management of the whole situation is p*ss poor. A true FUBAR. Duggan needs to be fired, the negotiations need to be adhered to, etc, etc. I like the DMC - in theory. I would like to do my residency here and help continue the tradition. However, I don't know if I can rank it as #1 because every year there seem to be these major issues with keeping residencies open! It just sucks that we have to be here and see the decline of a once great institution into a mediocre hot bed of political posturing.

 

[tybalt]

What, in particular, is bad about Providence? I had heard it was a pretty easy going experience...

My personal experience:
OB-Gyn -- great experience, great residents, exposed to a lot, a lot of independence and a lot of teaching. I was allowed to deliver babies, suture lacerations, be involved in the c-sections, help make decisions on patients. I would recommend this rotation to anyone.

Psych: A rotation made to handle 2-3 students had 11 or 12 during my rotation. I saw 5-6 patients the entire month and there were no opportunities to see more if you wanted to. We spent most of the day sitting in a room being "talked at" (I wouldn't call them lectures because they weren't prepared, didn't have any goals are were pretty much like a 2 hour run on sentence). Other days were spent sitting in a hot room behind a 1-way mirror watching a psych session while the attending fell asleep (really).

From friends:
Medicine: not much teaching, not much supervision, not much learning.
Neuro: Similar to medicine
Surgery: Good experience if you want a light rotation. If you are interested in learning a lot about patient management, then this is not a good rotation.

I firmly stand by my good/bad evaluation of the 2 rotations. However, they are my opinion and other people's experiences may differ considering different residents and such. I normally take other people's opinions with a grain of salt (and I suppose I still would), but the people who gave me evals of med, neuro, surg are very intelligent, are very hard working/proactive, and have enjoyed most of their rotations thus far.

I suppose the rotations are more "laid back" but that's not always a good thing.

 

[ksav]

4. 😡REVOLT! En masse! Perform sit down strikes, rallys whatever it takes to stop this

Can we move to plan D right away?!? Cause I'm not seeing how stopping the implementation would be a bad idea. I'm just saying.

It's a match system so it's not entirely a crap shoot, however I do know a lot of hospital systems are trying to keep students around and hopefully get them into residencies. All of the hospital systems are trying to fight for spots and political clout.

I was under the impression that they didn't have the capabilities of implementing a system like that.. They mentioned at the first town hall that they want to run it through the main campus system, which cannot accomodate that currently.

It hurts me to say that but, I'm just not sure where students will be trained. I'm rotating with a UM student now, and UM is telling their students that the school will be offering more and more positions for rotations at Henry Ford, so it sounds like we're getting shut out of Henry Ford too.

According to Dr. Frank the other week, Henry Ford is shutting out UM in order to make a stronger relationship with us. Why they would do this... ?!? Anyways, that's what admin said at the 2nd town hall meeting.

As with everything dealing with Wayne... take it with a grain of salt.

 

[srs1234]

Hello, long time lurker, first time poster here.

so here is the deal, I was hoping to get some opinions.

I am a year II student, and we just had a meeting with HFH stating we could sign up to do all year III rotations at that campus, exclusively. They actually sold the idea quite well, and I think there will be more people signing up for this deal than they can accommodate. So aside from the people at HFH telling us it would be a great experience, I was wondering what the year III and IV students on this board, after having rotated at HFH, would think of doing all their rotations at that site.

For any of you people out there that are interested, the meeting was streamed (I swear after medical school, I am going to be in a rude awakening when I cannot say, "i'll just stream it later" ) It is under the reviews tab on the streaming page, on Blackboard.



Thanks for your thoughts

 

[deowolf04]

For any of you people out there that are interested, the meeting was streamed (I swear after medical school, I am going to be in a rude awakening when I cannot say, "i'll just stream it later" ) It is under the reviews tab on the streaming page, on Blackboard.

Forget "after medical school," you'll be regretting not being able to stream this summer when you realize that you cannot stream patient rounds and that you will have to get up very early for many of your rotations. (Do you remember at Lampoon when Tony was doing his parody of Kid Rock and said, "I'm so sick of getting up at two!" He wasn't joking about the time.)

By the way, Neuro is great at Henry Ford and I highly recommend it to everyone.

 

[unoriginal]

Hello, long time lurker, first time poster here.

so here is the deal, I was hoping to get some opinions.

I am a year II student, and we just had a meeting with HFH stating we could sign up to do all year III rotations at that campus, exclusively. They actually sold the idea quite well, and I think there will be more people signing up for this deal than they can accommodate. So aside from the people at HFH telling us it would be a great experience, I was wondering what the year III and IV students on this board, after having rotated at HFH, would think of doing all their rotations at that site.

For any of you people out there that are interested, the meeting was streamed (I swear after medical school, I am going to be in a rude awakening when I cannot say, "i'll just stream it later" ) It is under the reviews tab on the streaming page, on Blackboard.



Thanks for your thoughts

HF is a great hospital to be at. I would recommend trying to do everything there, if they are going to make you do things that way. The best overall hospitals (not in order) are HF, beaumont, and oakwood (maybe not OB). They treat their students well and the people want to teach students. There are good rotations at other places, but few hospitals have rotations that are all consistently good. Of course this is just my opinion based on what I have found from rotating there and talking to friends...

By the way, it is a drag not to be able to stream your lectures (and rounds for that matter) during 3rd and 4th year, but in many ways being a streamer may help you for step 1 and beyond. If you do streaming right, you will become more self sufficient, better time manager, and more disciplined. There are few lectures after the first 2 years, so you really have to study on your own without the structured lectures. I think streaming and getting used to learning stuff on my own the first 2 years helped me do well on step 1 and on 3rd year shelves. As a physician, you have to be a self learner... which really isn't all that diff than streaming!

...oh and i was kind of scared before starting 3rd year about having "to get up at 2am". Don't be afraid... you will rarely have to, even if you are at the DMC. Some of it is luck based on who is on your team and how hard/how efficient you are. I have known several people who have done surgery (The worst rotation in terms of hours) at the DMC (the worst site in terms of hours and usually worst in terms of teaching) who usually got up around 4am. I say this because I have known people who got up at 2:30am-3am, but most of those people were either 1) not efficient, 2) gunners, 3) had a really bad team/residents. Don't let comments like getting up at 2am scare you! 3rd year is not *that* bad! If you have a choice of where do your rotaitons, don't choose to do them all downtown!