Wayne State University part 02

[TMP-SMX]

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hey that's great! another win for detroit!

We got an email that the DMC would pay WSU 2.7 million for breaking the contract.

 

[fun8stuff]

Attending Wayne State University Medical school is the worst choice I have made in my life thus far.

I am a second year medical student. The teaching is substandard. THe faculty is clueless in regards to boards useful information, and my fellow classmates are 85% pricks.

I was accepted to 4 medical schools. Unfortunately I picked the wrong one.

Oh and as far as the "clinical experiences" of Detroit, don't be fooled, you can get a much higher quality education anywhere else. I would be happy to transfer, unfortunately it is too far into this year to consider it.

i believe u can transfer after second year

 

[tybalt]

Attending Wayne State University Medical school is the worst choice I have made in my life thus far.

I am a second year medical student. The teaching is substandard. THe faculty is clueless in regards to boards useful information, and my fellow classmates are 85% pricks.

I was accepted to 4 medical schools. Unfortunately I picked the wrong one.

Oh and as far as the "clinical experiences" of Detroit, don't be fooled, you can get a much higher quality education anywhere else. I would be happy to transfer, unfortunately it is too far into this year to consider it.

I'm not sure you should comment on the clinical experiences of our school considering you haven't completed any experiences other than PD. Personally, I have learned a ton in my 3rd year. And while some attendings/residents are better than others, I realized the same thing I realized during 1st/2nd year -- the amount I am able to learn and take away from my classes/experiences almost entirely depends on what I am willing to put in (i.e. how much and often I study, how aggressive I am at participating in the hospital, etc). Wayne is certainly not perfect, nor the best school; but it is a good school.

 

[V4Vegetarian]

Attending Wayne State University Medical school is the worst choice I have made in my life thus far.

I am a second year medical student. The teaching is substandard. THe faculty is clueless in regards to boards useful information, and my fellow classmates are 85% pricks.

I was accepted to 4 medical schools. Unfortunately I picked the wrong one.

Oh and as far as the "clinical experiences" of Detroit, don't be fooled, you can get a much higher quality education anywhere else. I would be happy to transfer, unfortunately it is too far into this year to consider it.

I am sorry you feel this way. And if you truly want to transfer - there must be a way.

For any pre-med who is considering Wayne - I'd like to give a different opinion. Just like most people going Wayne Med - I had a number of med schools to choose from and certainly do not regret my choice. I am glad we don't have the PBL curriculum - for one. Anatomy was surprisingly enjoyable and I am grateful that we had dissection - it was quite humbling and has given me a different outlook as concerns the human body and our mortality in general. I would not recommend any school that has prosections only. Although we had some sub-par teaching in embryology - I was glad this course was offered - I had never taken it before and was amazed at most of the material we learned. I hear some schools don't offer embryo - I certainly liked having it. Our histology course had some excellent teaching (Dr. Crossland especially) and was a good foundation for anatomy I thought. I enjoy our second semester even more - since we have more command over our schedules - I stream at least 50% of the classes and LOVE waking up at noon - certainly a big plus in my book. I must say that I expected the biochem teaching to be worse than it turned out to be - I was a science major in undergrad and didn't think Wayne had very enthusiastic science faculty - for the most part I was wrong - I enjoyed most biochem lectures (Lightbody excluded).
Wayne - of course - is best known for the clinical experience - and this is for a reason. Apart from the co-curricular program - there are plenty free clinics where even a first year med student can get true hands-on experience - which is quite amazing considering how little we know! Especially if you volunteer in downtown Detroit - there is no escape from the reality of so many living in poverty. At the end of the day - there are few people more privileged than those with the opportunity to study medicine and with this privilege - it has always been important for me personally to try to at least begin to understand the reality of those who will be my patients one day and whose lives are grossly underrepresented in our society and media etc.. I love the fact that we have so many chances to get to know a patient population here in Detroit - be it refugees, immigrants, etc. an opportunity not often afforded by other med schools.

 

[oldjeeps]

Attending Wayne State University Medical school is the worst choice I have made in my life thus far.

I am a second year medical student. The teaching is substandard. THe faculty is clueless in regards to boards useful information, and my fellow classmates are 85% pricks.

I was accepted to 4 medical schools. Unfortunately I picked the wrong one.

Oh and as far as the "clinical experiences" of Detroit, don't be fooled, you can get a much higher quality education anywhere else. I would be happy to transfer, unfortunately it is too far into this year to consider it.

First, sorry to hear that you haven’t been enjoying your time at WSU-SOM.
Second, traditionally a prime time to transfer to different medical school is between 2nd and 3rd year (after passing step 1).

Now, as much as it pains me to defend WSU-SOM (as anyone familiar with my numerous prior rants might expect), I feel compelled to offer a different perspective. I’ll try to keep this objective and not let it deteriorate into a personal attack (my apologies in advance if you feel that it does deteriorate)
MedStud1984, after scanning your other posts it sounds like you have been having a rough go of medical school and the academic transition has been a challenge. I hope that things have been improving as the course work has transitioned to more applicable information (pathology).
1. Medical school is largely about the connections that you make – there are times that others (your friends, the nurses, the residents, etc) will carry you and there are times that you will carry them. Recognize this, learn this, embrace this and your life will be easier.
2. Wayne has never claimed that its strong point is the basic science curriculum – our reputation is built on “clinical experience”. Consequently it seems that WSU usually targets learners that prefer to learn by ‘doing’ rather than reading.
3. Personal opinion is that during the first two years the curriculum is there to help you to develop a knowledge base that all your “life long learning” is going to be built on. Consequently, medical schools that strictly teach to the boards are doing you a disservice in the long run.
4. I have found that while my class does have a bunch of people that I would never let work on me (or my family), but I can’t think of anyone that seemed to intentionally be going out of their way to be a “prick” to me (some folks are just naturally that way – and the sooner that fact is learned the easier some patients are to deal with). I can think of a couple people that I would classify as being “pricks”, but I think that they are pretty much universally seen that way within the class (I don’t know, maybe the ones that we all think are “pricks” think that all of the rest of us are “pricks”).
5. As for “higher quality education”, that is going to depend on what criteria you choose to use to measure that. If board scores, then probably. If practical hands on knowledge as a first day intern – then that is going to be more variable (depending on the person and how much effort they put into their education) – partly depending on the teaching sites/teams/attendings that third and fourth year are spent at/with.

 

[deowolf04]

We got an email that the DMC would pay WSU 2.7 million for breaking the contract.

Hmm...that makes a lot of sense🙄. DMC: "We're going to take away $12 million from you per year, but we'll give you 2.7 mil so we are allowed to take away your money." Let's just hope the University Physicians Group realizes what a horrible offer that is and refuses to let Duggan get away with it.

 

[TMP-SMX]

Between M1/M2 did you guys do any rotation/clinical research thing? I'd like to do either clinical research or some kind of short internship type thing in Internal medicine. I've done plenty of basic science research and know that a publication isn't happening for an 8-12 week research job. I also know it is possible to do a chart review clinical research paper that can get published. I know Oakwood has a 3 week rotation that is $300 a week. (Not bad but not research).

I don't plan on going directly into a competitive residency, but I do plan on doing a fellowship if I do go through an IM residency. Plus if I do change my mind and go derm 🙄 it would be nice to have that done when I get my 260 Step I.

Anyone have any suggestions? I'd rather not spend the whole summer doing one of these things as I'd like to have some time to go down to Florida with my fiancée to her condo and up north in Oscoda for a while in her cottage after she finishes in late June. (Yes I'm a lucky man).

 

[deowolf04]

Between M1/M2 did you guys do any rotation/clinical research thing? I'd like to do either clinical research or some kind of short internship type thing in Internal medicine. I've done plenty of basic science research and know that a publication isn't happening for an 8-12 week research job. I also know it is possible to do a chart review clinical research paper that can get published. I know Oakwood has a 3 week rotation that is $300 a week. (Not bad but not research).

I don't plan on going directly into a competitive residency, but I do plan on doing a fellowship if I do go through an IM residency. Plus if I do change my mind and go derm 🙄 it would be nice to have that done when I get my 260 Step I.

Anyone have any suggestions? I'd rather not spend the whole summer doing one of these things as I'd like to have some time to go down to Florida with my fiancée to her condo and up north in Oscoda for a while in her cottage after she finishes in late June. (Yes I'm a lucky man).

Trust me on this: go to Florida and Oscoda with your fiancee. This is your very last summer off, and you should take it as such. It is extremely unlikely that anything you do this summer is going to be the "make you or break you" part of your ERAS application when everything else is taken into account. You should only do research or other scholarly activities if you really want to. But keep in mind that you need to start year 2 fresh and ready to study hard for 12 months solid.

 

[tybalt]

Between M1/M2 did you guys do any rotation/clinical research thing? I'd like to do either clinical research or some kind of short internship type thing in Internal medicine. I've done plenty of basic science research and know that a publication isn't happening for an 8-12 week research job. I also know it is possible to do a chart review clinical research paper that can get published. I know Oakwood has a 3 week rotation that is $300 a week. (Not bad but not research).

I don't plan on going directly into a competitive residency, but I do plan on doing a fellowship if I do go through an IM residency. Plus if I do change my mind and go derm 🙄 it would be nice to have that done when I get my 260 Step I.

Anyone have any suggestions? I'd rather not spend the whole summer doing one of these things as I'd like to have some time to go down to Florida with my fiancée to her condo and up north in Oscoda for a while in her cottage after she finishes in late June. (Yes I'm a lucky man).

The advice above to enjoy your last summer is good.

I chose to partake in a summer program at Beaumont. I worked on a radiology project (even though I don't plan on going into rads...) and had a good time; learned a lot too, plus made some money. I recommend the Beaumont summer program if you are looking around. They even let me off for one of the 6 weeks to get married, which I thought was very nice.

 

[fun8stuff]

Between M1/M2 did you guys do any rotation/clinical research thing? I'd like to do either clinical research or some kind of short internship type thing in Internal medicine. I've done plenty of basic science research and know that a publication isn't happening for an 8-12 week research job. I also know it is possible to do a chart review clinical research paper that can get published. I know Oakwood has a 3 week rotation that is $300 a week. (Not bad but not research).

I don't plan on going directly into a competitive residency, but I do plan on doing a fellowship if I do go through an IM residency. Plus if I do change my mind and go derm 🙄 it would be nice to have that done when I get my 260 Step I.

Anyone have any suggestions? I'd rather not spend the whole summer doing one of these things as I'd like to have some time to go down to Florida with my fiancée to her condo and up north in Oscoda for a while in her cottage after she finishes in late June. (Yes I'm a lucky man).

you should enjoy the summer... party, go to florida/oscoda/etc... with that said i did clinical research and was able to publish an abstract. the hours were great. i even took off a couple weeks to get married and vacation in the caribbean (but i told them about this before the research). You can apply for alumni scholarship where they will give you money if they like your research proposal (i heard they give money to anyone who submits the proposal... 😉 ).

 

[tybalt]

you should enjoy the summer... party, go to florida/oscoda/etc... with that said i did clinical research and was able to publish an abstract. the hours were great. i even took off a couple weeks to get married and vacation in the caribbean (but i told them about this before the research). You can apply for alumni scholarship where they will give you money if they like your research proposal.

😍Sounds like Fun8 and I married each other! woot! Meh Heh Heh...

 

[fun8stuff]

😍Sounds like Fun8 and I married each other! woot! Meh Heh Heh...

that reminds me... what's for dinner? oh yeah, we need more milk!!!

 

[V4Vegetarian]

Just out of curiosity - how many classes does one have to honor to honor the whole year?

 

[fun8stuff]

Just out of curiosity - how many classes does one have to honor to honor the whole year?

they take an average of all zscores. some classes do not count as a whole class though. i believe nutrition and the other class you take at the same time each count as 1/4 of a class. i think psychiatry is 1/2 or 1/4 of a class. i think pathophys count as 2 classes. somethinkg like that... if avg >=600 then you honor. you also can't fail any of the courses. it is explained better in curriculum guide on wsu med website

 

[Thrice]

For those who had the primary care block first, are all your CCC scores up?

Was it possible for us to honor this class?

I got an S, not an S+ just a plain S. I KNOW my doc gave me all outstandings on my Eval.

How does that work? Anyone still have their syllabus?

 

[fun8stuff]

For those who had the primary care block first, are all your CCC scores up?

Was it possible for us to honor this class?

I got an S, not an S+ just a plain S. I KNOW my doc gave me all outstandings on my Eval.

How does that work? Anyone still have their syllabus?

S for me.. oh well.

to honor you have to do so much better than the avg person. almost everyone prob got outstandings. plus, everyone prob scored 95-100% on that exam. doesnt matter anyway, i think it says in curric guide that CCC doeesn't count toward end of year honors. it may even say that you can't honor it.

 

[dancinjenn]

S for me.. oh well.

to honor you have to do so much better than the avg person. almost everyone prob got outstandings. doesnt matter anyway, i think it says in curric guide that CCC doeesn't count toward end of year honors. it may even say that you can't honor it.

True - CCC does NOT count for end of year honors. And I got an S as well. I pretty much an S for the year, still have surg and ob though and hopefully will honor those.

 

[mendel121]

For those who had the primary care block first, are all your CCC scores up?

Was it possible for us to honor this class?

I got an S, not an S+ just a plain S. I KNOW my doc gave me all outstandings on my Eval.

How does that work? Anyone still have their syllabus?

The syllabus said that there are no honors for CCC - only S or U.

 

[dancinjenn]

Any MS III's feeling wayned by our new "advisor approval" deal with 4th year rotation schedules. I wish they would have decided that we needed this a couple of months ago...grr. Hopefully when I meet with an advisor they won't just laugh at my aspirations. ... seriously.

 

[fun8stuff]

Any MS III's feeling wayned by our new "advisor approval" deal with 4th year rotation schedules. I wish they would have decided that we needed this a couple of months ago...grr. Hopefully when I meet with an advisor they won't just laugh at my aspirations. ... seriously.

hmmm.. yeah, i wonder who would be a good advisor for being a "Stay at home dad"... ??? technically i am not even a dad, so i guess i really mean "Stay at home bum".

 

[oldjeeps]

Any MS III's feeling wayned by our new "advisor approval" deal with 4th year rotation schedules. I wish they would have decided that we needed this a couple of months ago...grr. Hopefully when I meet with an advisor they won't just laugh at my aspirations. ... seriously.

What's this "advisor approval" thing that they are using to wayne y'all?

If it is that you need your "advisor" to sign off on your ms4 schedule, then that is rediculous - especially for folks (like me) that hadn't decided what they want to be, yet, at this time in third year.
Really, how many people really even have an "advisor" - or have they assigned everybody one?

 

[fun8stuff]

What's this "advisor approval" thing that they are using to wayne y'all?

If it is that you need your "advisor" to sign off on your ms4 schedule, then that is rediculous - especially for folks (like me) that hadn't decided what they want to be, yet, at this time in third year.
Really, how many people really even have an "advisor" - or have they assigned everybody one?

"On March 4, 5 and 6 from 4-6:30, we have arranged for you to meet with
faculty advisors from the specialties in which you might be interested.
These meetings will take place in 1328 Scott Hall. At the advising
session, you will be given a form which the advisor must sign in order
for you to participate in the Year IV lottery. These sessions are by
appointment only.
They will serve several purposes. First of all, the Year IV lottery
is around the corner (it will happen in March; we will let you know the
exact date soon. ) and we want you to have strong faculty advising about
what kinds of electives it would be best for you to take. Secondly,
this will give you an opportunity to initiate a relationship (if you
don't already have one) with a faculty advisor. Such a relationship
will serve you well throughout the rest of your medical school career,
especially as you begin the residency application process. In addition,
you will be able to ask questions about the particular
specialty--residency training requirements, lifestyle, quality of
various programs, etc."

 

[oldjeeps]

"On March 4, 5 and 6 from 4-6:30, we have arranged for you to meet with
faculty advisors from the specialties in which you might be interested.
These meetings will take place in 1328 Scott Hall. At the advising
session, you will be given a form which the advisor must sign in order
for you to participate in the Year IV lottery. These sessions are by
appointment only.
They will serve several purposes. First of all, the Year IV lottery
is around the corner (it will happen in March; we will let you know the
exact date soon. ) and we want you to have strong faculty advising about
what kinds of electives it would be best for you to take. Secondly,
this will give you an opportunity to initiate a relationship (if you
don't already have one) with a faculty advisor. Such a relationship
will serve you well throughout the rest of your medical school career,
especially as you begin the residency application process. In addition,
you will be able to ask questions about the particular
specialty--residency training requirements, lifestyle, quality of
various programs, etc."

Sorry to hear that they're pulling this on you.
Those "advising sessions" were optional last year (but lots of people showed for them), but of questionable value. I know some specialties had the "advisor" pull a no show - which would really suck if you needed their signature. Also, could be a problem if you didn't really click with the person that WSU has lined up to come in to represent the specialty of your choice.

 

[coffeebythelake]

We got an email that the DMC would pay WSU 2.7 million for breaking the contract.

According to the DMC, the state is now paying extra money for indignant care so it means they don't have to. But according to State Medicaid, the extra money isn't supposed to replace DMC funding but merely to supplement the low level of compensation that the WSU physician group gets. I think I'm going to side with our doctors.

 

[V4Vegetarian]

According to the DMC, the state is now paying extra money for indignant care so it means they don't have to. But according to State Medicaid, the extra money isn't supposed to replace DMC funding but merely to supplement the low level of compensation that the WSU physician group gets. I think I'm going to side with our doctors.

That's right. The Detroit Free Press had an article last Wed. on this. http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080220/BUSINESS06/802200425/1019/BUSINESS

Apparently, DMC and WSU agreed to bring an outside consultant to determine the right amount of pay for WSU doctors. This - of course - is in addition to the attorney hired in Nov 2006 (paid at least $201,000 so far), who was supposed to mediate an agreement btw. WSU-DMC. As far as I know - this guy has been completely inefficient and his only so-called accomplishment to date has been to draft a "term-sheet" btw. DMC-WSU that has never been signed by either of the two parties -and has resulted in Wayne being threatened with a loss in accreditation (according to the Free Press). The one positive aspect has been that the Michigan State Medical Society opposes the DMC cuts and some MSMS representatives met with lawmakers last Tuesday to discuss this issue. The sheer futility of this whole situation certainly makes one want to get a J.D...or wonder where (or rather whether) that attorney got his J.D...

 

[Dr.Evil1]

Hey all, I graduated in 2005 and have a bunch of books that I am trying to get rid of before I move after finishing residency this year. They are all geared towards 3rd year and step 2. PM me if you are interested.

 

[DocCallaway]

How does the whole note-taking thing work at Wayne? Do they provide you with everything up front? Is there a note-taking service? I personally hate taking notes, and have managed to avoid it for the last 4 years. I'll be at Wayne next year and I plan on being one of those never-show-up-because-I-fall-asleep-in-lecture-everyday type of dude.

 

[Thrice]

How does the whole note-taking thing work at Wayne? Do they provide you with everything up front? Is there a note-taking service? I personally hate taking notes, and have managed to avoid it for the last 4 years. I'll be at Wayne next year and I plan on being one of those never-show-up-because-I-fall-asleep-in-lecture-everyday type of dude.

You get a course pack with notes from the profs at the beginning of each class. You can just highlite.

All lectures are video streamed (not live, but pretty close, only an hour or so delay mostly) on the web.

You never have to go to class really. Just labs and required stuff.

 

[dancinjenn]

How sucky is that? And post for Sat...and I have to come in on Sunday...and monday....grrr.
somebody feel my pain on my first surgery calll - come on give me some love...

UPDATE: The day of 2's

Now 0414...have not had sleep. Have to be in OR in approx 20 minutes.

2nd Lap chole of the day.
2 GSW's.
2 men hit by the same car.

NOW: Guess where I am for surgery!!!

 

[oldjeeps]

UPDATE: The day of 2's

Now 0414...have not had sleep. Have to be in OR in approx 20 minutes.

2nd Lap chole of the day.
2 GSW's.
2 men hit by the same car.

NOW: Guess where I am for surgery!!!

I'll play...

That trauma load sounds like one of your friendly local DMC hospitals...
and to have a mix of trauma (MVCs and GSWs) and bread-and-butter surgery (lap choles)... I'm going to have to guess that you are at SGH.

 

[Thrice]

How sucky is that? And post for Sat...and I have to come in on Sunday...and monday....grrr.
somebody feel my pain on my first surgery calll - come on give me some love...

UPDATE: The day of 2's

Now 0414...have not had sleep. Have to be in OR in approx 20 minutes.

2nd Lap chole of the day.
2 GSW's.
2 men hit by the same car.

NOW: Guess where I am for surgery!!!

Jen, you looked so tired this morning. Thats a craptastic night, sorry.

 

[dancinjenn]

Jen, you looked so tired this morning. Thats a craptastic night, sorry.

That's what no sleep will do to you. After my 2nd lap chole @ 0430 we did 2 I/D so my day of 2's continued. My senior kept asking if I was alright...I guess I looked pretty bad. But I guess you all will just have to get used to my no shower in over 24 hrs, no make-up, 9 trauma pages, 4 surgeries, no dinner ugly ol' post-call self.

I went home and crashed for 5 hours, got up, ate, went grocery shopping, gave Claire a bath and then crashed again at 9:00 pm.

Ooohh so close - @ DRH

 

[oldjeeps]

That's what no sleep will do to you. After my 2nd lap chole @ 0430 we did 2 I/D so my day of 2's continued. My senior kept asking if I was alright...I guess I looked pretty bad. But I guess you all will just have to get used to my no shower in over 24 hrs, no make-up, 9 trauma pages, 4 surgeries, no dinner ugly ol' post-call self.

I went home and crashed for 5 hours, got up, ate, went grocery shopping, gave Claire a bath and then crashed again at 9:00 pm.

Ooohh so close - @ DRH

two lap choles in one day... I think that is twice as many as my whole team saw during my entire month at DRH.
Of course the fates didn't like me as the majority of what I saw that month were I&Ds.
Guess that just needs to be chalked up to the inconsistency of what comes through the doors.

 

[dancinjenn]

two lap choles in one day... I think that is twice as many as my whole team saw during my entire month at DRH.
Of course the fates didn't like me as the majority of what I saw that month were I&Ds.
Guess that just needs to be chalked up to the inconsistency of what comes through the doors.

I think that I'm just the "2" magnet. We got 2 ladies falling down stairs tonight. Of course one is psych and the other has a med list 16 strong (yaa fruity pebbles). Ok, going to try and get some sleep.

 

[coffeebythelake]

Does anybody have any advice on Neuroscience, Nutrition, and Genetics? Its going to start up really soon for us.

 

[tybalt]

Does anybody have any advice on Neuroscience, Nutrition, and Genetics? Its going to start up really soon for us.

Practice neuroscience paths, identifications and lesions every day (or nearly every day) -- if you wait it will all seem the same and you will be in trouble.

Nutrition -- A lot of people don't like this course, personally I loved it. But don't underestimate it. A lot of people fail this exam, not because it's harder than other med school exams but because they only study 1-2 days before the exam. Make sure to study your notes as well as the study sheet people pass around. Personally, I took the study sheet and added to it and did very well on the exam.

Genetics -- I think most people like this course. Just make sure to go to the lab sessions so you can do practice problems. If you can't do the practice problems (and do them well) then you will be in trouble on the exam. The sessions are very helpful to cement the problems you thought were simple and clarify those you thought were hard. I went to Anne Grebb's lab (the course director) and she did a great job. Oh yeah, make sure to do all the problems prior to the lab sessions so you get the most out of them.

Good Luck! Almost time for summer break 🙂

 

[fun8stuff]

Practice neuroscience paths, identifications and lesions every day (or nearly every day) -- if you wait it will all seem the same and you will be in trouble.

Nutrition -- A lot of people don't like this course, personally I loved it. But don't underestimate it. A lot of people fail this exam, not because it's harder than other med school exams but because they only study 1-2 days before the exam. Make sure to study your notes as well as the study sheet people pass around. Personally, I took the study sheet and added to it and did very well on the exam.

Genetics -- I think most people like this course. Just make sure to go to the lab sessions so you can do practice problems. If you can't do the practice problems (and do them well) then you will be in trouble on the exam. The sessions are very helpful to cement the problems you thought were simple and clarify those you thought were hard. I went to Anne Grebb's lab (the course director) and she did a great job. Oh yeah, make sure to do all the problems prior to the lab sessions so you get the most out of them.

Good Luck! Almost time for summer break 🙂

i concur 👍

 

[coffeebythelake]

About the genetics, is it most theory (e.g., pedigree analysis, etc) or is it more clinical correlations about genetic diseases?

 

[mendel121]

About the genetics, is it most theory (e.g., pedigree analysis, etc) or is it more clinical correlations about genetic diseases?

It's both really, you'll have to some basic pedigree analysis, and memorize some chromosomal syndromes and classic genetic diseases as well, also integrate the pedigree analysis with the diseases - the course isn't hard if you have a genetics background and/or go to the study sessions religiously and work through the problems.

Tybalt must have been taking some major happy pills during nutrition, I hated every minute of that class, and I thought the notes sucked - I think that Tybalt is right - if I hadn't have fallen so far behind I probably would have been less miserable.

Neuro is the best run course that you'll take in your entire med school career, well organized, good notes and resources - awesome. Just pre-study before each lab, so you at least have some idea about the things that will be covered, then by the end of lab you'll have that stuff nailed. Also the most important piece of advice - GO TO GOSHGARIAN'S LAB SECTION!!!! even if you're assigned to a different one.

 

[tybalt]

It's both really, you'll have to some basic pedigree analysis, and memorize some chromosomal syndromes and classic genetic diseases as well, also integrate the pedigree analysis with the diseases - the course isn't hard if you have a genetics background and/or go to the study sessions religiously and work through the problems.

Tybalt must have been taking some major happy pills during nutrition, I hated every minute of that class, and I thought the notes sucked - I think that Tybalt is right - if I hadn't have fallen so far behind I probably would have been less miserable.

Neuro is the best run course that you'll take in your entire med school career, well organized, good notes and resources - awesome. Just pre-study before each lab, so you at least have some idea about the things that will be covered, then by the end of lab you'll have that stuff nailed. Also the most important piece of advice - GO TO GOSHGARIAN'S LAB SECTION!!!! even if you're assigned to a different one.

I agree that nutrition notes were sucky and the lectures weren't really that great... but I love the subject so much that it didn't matter 😛

Now -- back to my deep dish pizza.

 

[oldjeeps]

Earlier I got a PM asking about the study sheet that traditionally makes the rounds for the oral exam portion of the surgery rotation eval...

Our good friend, "Anonymous", has seen to it that a few versions of the oral exam study sheet and a study sheet for the CCC exam have been posted on the blackboard discussion boards, under the appropriate clerkship pages - this should help out everyone (regardless of the order that you are going through MS3).

Might I suggest that you pay blackboard a visit ASAP before one of the "monitors" decides to delete those postings.

 

[tybalt]

My boy cat has discovered that my other cat (who is a kitten!) has girl parts. It disturbes me.

 

[dancinjenn]

My boy cat has discovered that my other cat (who is a kitten!) has girl parts. It disturbes me.

I got one better. Wait until you have a toddler who discovers herself at bath time and then proceeds to wash the hoo-haa at every available opportunity, and figures out if she takes off the diaper she can play with herself, and when she sits on the floor...........need I say more. The hubby is distraught.

 

[TMP-SMX]

I got one better. Wait until you have a toddler who discovers herself at bath time and then proceeds to wash the hoo-haa at every available opportunity, and figures out if she takes off the diaper she can play with herself, and when she sits on the floor...........need I say more. The hubby is distraught.

Better than doing it in public. Speaking of that subject we just had the lecture by the nursing professor Dr. George about sexuality for 2.5 hours talking about just that activity in toddler among other things.

 

[tybalt]

I got one better. Wait until you have a toddler who discovers herself at bath time and then proceeds to wash the hoo-haa at every available opportunity, and figures out if she takes off the diaper she can play with herself, and when she sits on the floor...........need I say more. The hubby is distraught.

At least we can both assure ourselves that the acts of our "children" are normal 😛

 

[katrinadams9]

I hope all the fourth years were able to match. If not, good luck to anyone scrambling today. I am so anxious to find out where I'm going... even having nightmares about it.

 

[tybalt]

I hope all the fourth years were able to match. If not, good luck to anyone scrambling today. I am so anxious to find out where I'm going... even having nightmares about it.

Congratulations! I'm sure that's a big weight off your shoulders 🙂

 

[oldjeeps]

I hope all the fourth years were able to match. If not, good luck to anyone scrambling today. I am so anxious to find out where I'm going... even having nightmares about it.

Also, a bit on the anxious side here, just need to knowwhere the Match is sending me... can't say that I have deteriorated to the point of nightmares, yet.

Any of my few MS4s interested in a "WSU alumni" thread on here? Be a place for us to keep in touch in life after our escape from WSU-SOM.

 

[V4Vegetarian]

Also, a bit on the anxious side here, just need to knowwhere the Match is sending me... can't say that I have deteriorated to the point of nightmares, yet.

Any of my few MS4s interested in a "WSU alumni" thread on here? Be a place for us to keep in touch in life after our escape from WSU-SOM.

I think the "WSU alumni" thread is a great idea! I hope you guys will get it started and then the rest of us can continue it once we get to that point. It would be a good resource for all of us.

By the way - what do you mean by "escape from WSU-SOM?" You mean to say you didn't like it here? 😱

 

[heymisslady]

when will student affairs post the official match list on it's website?