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lol... so basically i will sell mine in june.
anybody know what this end of year osce is like? how it affects our grades?
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anybody know what this end of year osce is like? how it affects our grades?
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I would not recommend selling it just yet because you still have to log cases for ER. That also may be the case for the sub-I, but I haven't done that yet.
The osce is kind of like CS, except you have less time at each station, the evaluator is sitting right next to you, there are more total stations, and you do not have the luxury of an exam room set-up. And before you ask, yes, people fail and have to remediate. I found the hardest stations were the ones based on rotations that I had not done in almost a year, i.e. ob/gyn.
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oh god, i hope it is not like the ped's osce. do you know if it says on your transcript if u had to remediate?
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So I'm really bummed. Actually, I'm also excited. I honored the surgery shelf, which is the first shelf I have honored this year -- so "yea" for me! But I had 6 evaluations filled out, 2 of which gave me mostly outstandings with great comments like "one of the best students I have worked with". Another 1 of which said "on the cusp of honors" and 3 of which clearly didn't spend any time on there evaluations and just checked "S" all the way down and either wrote something illegible or "good student"... so where does that leave me? With an "S" in clinical section for surgery. And due to me getting an "S" on the oral exam (I have some beef with that too -- the guy clearly wanted to go home and rushed me through questions; my exam was over in about 7 minutes)....I get an "S" for surgery.
Now, I was really only expecting an S for surgery since I had not yet honored any shelfs and surgery says you have to honor the shelf to get an S+ or an H. But now that I know I honored the shelf and I feel like I deserved better evals from those people, I am upset. I know you can appeal, but what am I supposed to say? "I think I deserve better than that. blah blah blah. Those attendings don't know me. blah blah blah". Plus Dr. Steffes was really mad at our group due to some controversy surrounding the midterm -- I can't imagine he will be thrilled to hear from one of our group.
I might feel more satisfied maintaining the thought that I deserve at least an S+ than if I appeal and am told, no you deserve a big fat S.
Such is the life of subjective grading I suppose.
Now, I was really only expecting an S for surgery since I had not yet honored any shelfs and surgery says you have to honor the shelf to get an S+ or an H. But now that I know I honored the shelf and I feel like I deserved better evals from those people, I am upset. I know you can appeal, but what am I supposed to say? "I think I deserve better than that. blah blah blah. Those attendings don't know me. blah blah blah". Plus Dr. Steffes was really mad at our group due to some controversy surrounding the midterm -- I can't imagine he will be thrilled to hear from one of our group.
I might feel more satisfied maintaining the thought that I deserve at least an S+ than if I appeal and am told, no you deserve a big fat S.
Such is the life of subjective grading I suppose.
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The same **** happened to me last year with my peds grade. I honored the exam and got about 50% honors on evals and the other 50% above average, but not quite honors. I also had to remediate one part of the OSCE (just like everyone else). Dr. Friday made it clear at the beginning of the rotation that you can't get an S+ unless you honor two of the three (OSCE, shelf, evals). I felt jipped, so I appealed my grade. I was able to get one of the resident's evals "expunged" from my record, since we hadn't worked together very close. But then she proceeded to track down my fellow and have him do an eval (two months after the fact), which of course he filled out in a hurry checking all the S's. So, I ended up getting an S for the rotation. Grrr! I'm still pissed about the whole fiasco. Obviously, I knew my stuff well since I honored the exam. Obviously I was a good student, since all of my attendings gave me honors.
Having vented all that... I would still recommend appealing your grade. It is much better to go through the process and get shot down than to wonder what if. I actually succeeded in getting my IM grade changed, so it does work in your favor sometimes.
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I don't think it shows up at all on your transcript. I don't know anyone who had to remediate. Don't worry about the remediation on the peds OSCE. Dr. Friday makes that impossible to pass. The end of the year OSCE is much easier, although it is longer and a bigger pain in the ass. I didn't even bother studying for it. Just make sure you introduce yourself to each patient and wash your hands. And don't forget to "appropriately drape" the patient (whatever the hell that means). I got counted off a little for that. 😕
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From what I heard from someone who had to remediate, there were more people there that had to remediate than you might think, especially compared to how little they think of the osce. I too got flagged not once, but twice, about "appropriately draping" the patient. I say screw that; in a real setting, shut the door or pull the curtain and get done what you need to do.
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FYI - for all who haven't done surgery yet, due to this "controversy" this midterm is a part of your clinical evaluation - it counts toward your grade.
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Hi Everyone!
I am going to be starting at Wayne this fall and I am really excited! I was hoping you guys could answer a few questions about what to expect next year. For anatomy lab do you meet every afternoon? I would imagine you would need that much time to learn everything, but 300 people in a lab seems crowded! Also did anyone do the Co-curricular credit program? How was your experience with it? I am sorry if I sound like an overly anxious pre-med, but I guess that is what I am! 🙂 Thanks for any advice/help you can provide!
I am going to be starting at Wayne this fall and I am really excited! I was hoping you guys could answer a few questions about what to expect next year. For anatomy lab do you meet every afternoon? I would imagine you would need that much time to learn everything, but 300 people in a lab seems crowded! Also did anyone do the Co-curricular credit program? How was your experience with it? I am sorry if I sound like an overly anxious pre-med, but I guess that is what I am! 🙂 Thanks for any advice/help you can provide!
IIRC (and if it hasn't been changed) there are 50 tables in the gross lab and there are 6 students per table. So 300 in the lab may be crowded but not overly so. I think the days when a class that large would be annoying is on exam days - but on the plus side you'll get more "rest" stops as part of the lab exams than my class did.
Based on memory (and a quick glance at the first year schedule), yes anatomy lab happens most if not all afternoons.
Can't comment on Co-curricular as I didn't do it. Know some folks that did and seemed to enjoy it. Also know some that put there time in and didn't get credit for it because of their poor record keeping.
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Anatomy lab was probably 2-3 times a week.
I'm doing HuMed for cocurricular. It's easy enough but lacking in activities you can do for credit. You are also limited to 8 hours of credit a month.
I'm doing HuMed for cocurricular. It's easy enough but lacking in activities you can do for credit. You are also limited to 8 hours of credit a month.
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i stumbled through co-curricular. it is a good experience if you are willing to put in the time (and you like volunteering and doing that kind of stuff). as oldjeeps alluded, you have to be good at keeping records for what you do. georgia wilder (the person overseeing the program) will not let you squeak by if you do not put fourth 100%. ENJOY what may be your last summer ever!
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Hello,
I was wondering if any Wayne students would be willing to comment on their OB/GYN rotation. I am currently applying to OB/GYN residency and was a little concerned as to why there were not more Wayne students in the program. Just trying to make sure I am not missing something. Can anyone comment on the residents interaction with each other? How was the program structured? Any other info would be greatly appreciated! PM me if you don't want to post here! Thanks again
I was wondering if any Wayne students would be willing to comment on their OB/GYN rotation. I am currently applying to OB/GYN residency and was a little concerned as to why there were not more Wayne students in the program. Just trying to make sure I am not missing something. Can anyone comment on the residents interaction with each other? How was the program structured? Any other info would be greatly appreciated! PM me if you don't want to post here! Thanks again
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Hi guys, I'm considering Wayne and a few other schools at the moment and have a few questions for you, that is if you don't mind answering for a lowly pre-m1 😳
Anyway, one of the things I'm trying to look into is each schools' curriculum. I've looked at the class schedule for Wayne's years 1 and 2 and I'm curious, how do you like the current curriculum and do you feel it prepared you (or will prepare you) adequately for step 1? Did you like having a nutrition course? Is there any course that covers medical ethics and health law? How about it readying you for your 3rd and 4th years? Also, perhaps most importantly (for me), how late are you in class till usually? Ideally, I'd like to attend a school where I'm out of class by 1 or 2 and my afternoons are largely free. I realize this isn't feasible for a class like anatomy, but I'm curious if it is for your 2nd year? (fyi: I'd like to avoid attending a school where I'd be in class from 8 till 4 and my attendance is required)
Also, is there anything else I should know about Wayne, especially when making a decision on whether or not to attend, that I might not have gotten from the website, interviewers, and tour guides? Thanks in advance for all your help (and sorry for soo many questions!), you guys seem like a fun bunch as your class thread is pwns the other ones in terms of posts and activity 😀
Anyway, one of the things I'm trying to look into is each schools' curriculum. I've looked at the class schedule for Wayne's years 1 and 2 and I'm curious, how do you like the current curriculum and do you feel it prepared you (or will prepare you) adequately for step 1? Did you like having a nutrition course? Is there any course that covers medical ethics and health law? How about it readying you for your 3rd and 4th years? Also, perhaps most importantly (for me), how late are you in class till usually? Ideally, I'd like to attend a school where I'm out of class by 1 or 2 and my afternoons are largely free. I realize this isn't feasible for a class like anatomy, but I'm curious if it is for your 2nd year? (fyi: I'd like to avoid attending a school where I'd be in class from 8 till 4 and my attendance is required)
Also, is there anything else I should know about Wayne, especially when making a decision on whether or not to attend, that I might not have gotten from the website, interviewers, and tour guides? Thanks in advance for all your help (and sorry for soo many questions!), you guys seem like a fun bunch as your class thread is pwns the other ones in terms of posts and activity 😀
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Since I didn't do my OB/GYN rotation within the DMC I am not sure that I am qualified to answer your questions; were you noticing a lack of WSU representation in the intern class or in the program as a whole?
If in the intern class, it is probably as a result of the recent (now resolved) dispute between WSU and the DMC.
Only thing I'd add to what fun said was that there are very few class that are "required" - where attendance is taken.
And it is my understanding that even less are going to be "required" in the future due to crowding issues in the lecture halls.
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Anatomy finishes in late November. You start Biochem and Physiology for a month and then have a break in December.
I also heard a rumor today that we will be assigned to a hospital for all of our rotations and current second years are going to do a pilot program of about a tenth of them. Apparently our counselor has been saying this. What do you guys think?
I also heard a rumor today that we will be assigned to a hospital for all of our rotations and current second years are going to do a pilot program of about a tenth of them. Apparently our counselor has been saying this. What do you guys think?
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I think that's crappy -- I have enjoyed traveling to different hospitals and experiencing different systems.
I agree with Tybalt - definitely crappy. I feel that I have a better understanding of the different types of hospital systems (community vs university, inner city vs suburban, etc.) because I have had the opportunity to rotate through a mixture of them.
Only good thing that I can think of that would result from that change would be not having to learn a new system everytime you start a rotation. Having to learn the 'ropes' (parking; location of lab, bathroom, food, etc; how to place orders; how to get patient records; etc) everytime you started a rotation at a new to you site tended to get old.
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Wow. So today our class got chewed out by Dr. Gatti our biochem professor over disrespectful course evals of the professors for the previous unit. Everyone was mad about Dr. Lightbody's questions and how he slightly misled us in how in depth the pathways we had to know. (Especially fatty acid metabolism). He reiterated that rate limiting regulation was far more important than anything else and not to worry about the rest. I didn't have to fill out evals for the unit but apparently there were nasty comments about him. Some said that they wanted essentially the professors to sit down with them and tell them what they had to know, that the professors were wasting their time with things they didn't have to know for their future career.
Personally, I did terrible on this test and it was my worst by far of all of the subjects to this point second only to unit IV anatomy. However, I do think we were slightly misled for some reason or another. I do not blame the professors as it is largely my fault for not spending enough time studying. Therefore, I think a lot of our class is up for a wake-up call when we get in the hospitals and get a lesson in authority and respect.
Here is the end of what he said. "If there are lecturers that tell you something that is outside what you find in the normal books, then maybe it is not going to be strictly relevant that you have decided to become a family practitioner or a dermatologist or something else. You should just be appreciative of that rather than frankly cowardly being under the veil of the anonymity of these ridiculous comments that are written at the end. The evaluations of the teachers. You should be thankful rather than really expressing really nasty and inappropriate comments about teachers."
I thought that was quite eloquent for someone having English as their second language. By the way, it was more or less 8 minutes of this and sounds quite intense in the disappointment radar at 2X speed in his thick Italian accent.
Personally, I did terrible on this test and it was my worst by far of all of the subjects to this point second only to unit IV anatomy. However, I do think we were slightly misled for some reason or another. I do not blame the professors as it is largely my fault for not spending enough time studying. Therefore, I think a lot of our class is up for a wake-up call when we get in the hospitals and get a lesson in authority and respect.
Here is the end of what he said. "If there are lecturers that tell you something that is outside what you find in the normal books, then maybe it is not going to be strictly relevant that you have decided to become a family practitioner or a dermatologist or something else. You should just be appreciative of that rather than frankly cowardly being under the veil of the anonymity of these ridiculous comments that are written at the end. The evaluations of the teachers. You should be thankful rather than really expressing really nasty and inappropriate comments about teachers."
I thought that was quite eloquent for someone having English as their second language. By the way, it was more or less 8 minutes of this and sounds quite intense in the disappointment radar at 2X speed in his thick Italian accent.
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man, that would suck in a lot of ways. i have really enjoyed seeing a variety of hospitals... i thought this was a strength of wayne. Certain rotations are just better at certain hospitals too. The advantages would be, as jeeps mentioned, continuity of experience... working with similar physicians, with in the same system, and maybe even some continuity of clinical grading? (doubt it) I wouldn't mind doing this at say HF, beaumont, or oakwood... however, I still think that i would rather rotate through multiple hospital systems... and would recommend it to upcoming third years (don't schedule all of your electives in one place!)
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the 'Count'! heh.. i thought he was a good lecturer....
hmm.. this situation with lightbody's questions sounds familiar... or at least perhaps i remember having the same feelings regarding his questions. Some of these professors conduct their lecture like a graduate/PhD lecture in that everything is important not because of an exam (or for practical application), but important because they find it and everything to do with their area of specialization immensely interesting and believe you should be learning for the sake of learning. The nice thing about MDs is that more of the stuff they teach is useful and practical information... try not to be too down about how you did on the exam though and just keep trudging along.
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I was sitting in on that, and it was slightly awkward.... but he had some good points. Our class needs to learn how to be nice to people instead of being so judgmental about everything and anything (IMO). It was justified, although, I'm sure it will make some people really not like him. Hopefully though he'll get okay evals.
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fisko82, I'm an MS1 this year, so I cannot completely comment on all your questions....
So far I have found the curriculum to be fine (pretty typical). In fact one of the determining factors for me was the fact that it wasn't a PBL school.
As for preparing for step 1, can't comment, but general I think that all school have good pass rates, Wayne included. I will say however, what makes Wayne "Wayne" is it's clinical stuff. Within the first weeks of school I was getting firsthand experience taking histories at various clinics (i.e. me taking the history and talking to a physician outside the room). I've also talked to some 3rd years at other schools and they were impressed with how much clinical stuff we've already received.
Classes are highly variable (depending on the unit). During anatomy and histology the days are long (lab 3-4 times per week). But before every exam you have a full day to day and half scheduled solely for studying. Once you get into phys there's a lot less class 4-5 hours, but with no lab. There's also a few days where there is nothing in the afternoon. I've not had a problem with not having enough time during the week to study.... well, I mean, there's never lack for stuff to do and by test day everyone wants an extra day or two, but overall, I'm pretty happy with the schedule.
Someone above mentioned co-curricular... which you've probably heard of by now. But for that program there are a lot of seminars, some addressing ethical/etc issues. Also, there's individual groups that put on 1 hour talks about the issues as well. If you want it you can find it easily.
Hope that helps. Good luck in making your decision.
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I agree that there are many benefits from rotating at many different hospitals during 3rd and 4th year. It gives you a chance to figure out what kind of place you'd like to do residency at (i.e. suburban, academic, or county). You have to learn different computer/charting systems at each hospital, which I feel is a plus as well. Who knows if you'll end up at a residency where everything is electronic or still on paper? It's nice to have exposure to both.
During 3rd year, I rotated at Providence, Sinai Grace, DRH, Children's, and private clinics. This year I've been out to Oakwood, Beaumont and Henry Ford as well. If I hadn't had the experience of the nicer community hospitals, I would never have known how nicer they are than the DMC. It's nice to be at hospitals where the nurses are friendly and helpful, and the building itself is new and clean. I am glad I had rotations at both the DMC and the community hospitals and I hope that future students are not cheated out of this opportunity.
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Well, there is going to be a PILOT program. And I have the feeling that the students who get the nicer (ie HFH) hospitals won't mind, those that get the cake/not so demanding places might complain about the missed opportunities, and those that get the DMC will whine about not having the community based hospitals. So I don't think that it will last. Besides not all of the hospitals have all of the core rotations. How are some students supposed to get OB or surgery? And what about peds? Will they still make everybody do Childrens? IMO I think if they tried to institute it thru the whole of the student body there would be a mass revolt! I certainly wouldn't want to be in one place the entire year.
For some reason I thought he was defending his wife Dr.Ackerman. Especially in the beginning when he said we didn't know anything. " Every single instructor in this university.... knows 100 times more than you do." "Let me tell you at this stage in your career, you know nothing." "Don't you dare complain that this faculty core isn't doing enough for you."
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To those who have done Ped's:
I got an email stating we needed a pediatric stethoscope for peds -- do we really have to go buy another stethoscope for 2 months? Anyone know how much they are? (I haven't ventured over to the bookstore yet...)
I got an email stating we needed a pediatric stethoscope for peds -- do we really have to go buy another stethoscope for 2 months? Anyone know how much they are? (I haven't ventured over to the bookstore yet...)
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do you have the smaller bell on opposite side of the diaphragm on your stethoscope? if so, that will work the same as pediatric stethoscope... i don't recall anyone buying one though... and i never used my bulb thing either :-/ (but i did heme/onc)
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for some reason, it seems like there is always problems with biochem year after between a good portion of students (not all) and faculty.... hmmm...
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To the poster who inquired about Wayne....
1st & 2nd year prepare you well for Step 1. But in reality, it isn't the professors who are responsible for teaching, it is you, as the student, who is responsible to learn the material. Learn everything you can during your first two year so that Step 1 studying is just a review.
Co-curricular was a great program. I really enjoyed the volunteering, plus it provided extra socializing! Now that I'm a 4th year, I'm loving the extra month off!
I'm with everyone else about the 1 hospital for clinicals...yuck! The great thing about Wayne is the diveristy...in everything. Plus, the best part of Wayne is the clinical experience. After interviewing, I've really come to realize how much more we get to see and do compared to students from other medical schools. I will be very prepared for residency.
To all the 1st year struggling through Biochem....chin up, only a few more months and you will be on vaca- for 2 whole months. Enjoy every minute of it! And, if the professors suck, skip lecture and spend your time memorizing AND understanding the notes. That's all you need.
1st & 2nd year prepare you well for Step 1. But in reality, it isn't the professors who are responsible for teaching, it is you, as the student, who is responsible to learn the material. Learn everything you can during your first two year so that Step 1 studying is just a review.
Co-curricular was a great program. I really enjoyed the volunteering, plus it provided extra socializing! Now that I'm a 4th year, I'm loving the extra month off!
I'm with everyone else about the 1 hospital for clinicals...yuck! The great thing about Wayne is the diveristy...in everything. Plus, the best part of Wayne is the clinical experience. After interviewing, I've really come to realize how much more we get to see and do compared to students from other medical schools. I will be very prepared for residency.
To all the 1st year struggling through Biochem....chin up, only a few more months and you will be on vaca- for 2 whole months. Enjoy every minute of it! And, if the professors suck, skip lecture and spend your time memorizing AND understanding the notes. That's all you need.
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Helps to be able to actually see the diagrams in biochem. It makes it a little difficult to memorize pathways without any textbooks if the notes are what you depend on to memorize these diagrams that you need a magnifying glass for. I don't expect it to be laid out for us, but if they don't require any textbooks and test us from notes then the university should make the notes readable. Of course I was using wiki for the images but still.
I do agree that learning should be our responsibility. There is a difference, however, between learning and being able to take their multiple choice tests.
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I completely agree with that statement. I knew my stuff (and could still write out pathways for you 4 days later)... but that test did not test whether you knew the material or not, it tested whether you could understand what Lightbody was saying.
A student who knows the material well should not be any where near the pass rate.... and based on the z-scores, that's what we have happening again (I'm estimating that 100 people failed the exam.... larger spread than the last phys, but same-ish averages).
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Well now. They've finally moved passed the denial stage into the anger stage. A couple years ago, I overheard Dr. Montgomery talking with several other immuno/micro teachers and believing that we were getting the scale confused on the evaluations. So the teachers getting the bad evals weren't getting bad evals at all; we were trying to give them good ones but couldn't read the scale right. No joke; that's what he thought. So, at least they are moving forward.
Biochem has the deserved reputation of being one of the worst-taught classes at Wayne. It is filled with several very poor teachers, some of whom really need to go. I've heard that the second years may have been spared the horrors of Dr. Akins' lectures when he was asked to leave.
What some of the professors who receive consistently poor reviews may not realize is that some of their colleagues receive glowing reviews year after year. Those are the ones that take a genuine interest in your education, and so are the most respected by the students. If you compiled a list each year of the "best and worst" professors across the classes, there would be some very striking similarities.
What some of the profs have realized now is that WSU has backed itself into a corner by having required evaluations of every teacher. If you would rather just forget about awful experiences, then you probably would not fill out those evaluations negatively. However, since you are forced to show your hand, you may as well be brutally honest. Sadly, the administration likes to turn a blind eye to the problems within the school, and these evaluations are forcing them to deal with these issues, especially if certain professors get poor reviews every year. It may have even had something to do with relieving you of the Akins nightmare lectues.
As for the "you know nothing" comments, of course you could not possibly know as much about a certain field as someone who has dedicated their lives to a very small field of science. It would be an insult to their career knowledge base if you could pick it up that fast. They are missing the point that this is not the reason why you are in those classes. If you wanted to be a PhD, you would have gone to grad school, not med school. Medicine is far more broad than any one particular field of study, and what the profs need to realize is that they need to tailor their lectures to teach you what you need to know for your future endeavors. You will also come to realize that much of what you learned in year 1 is not even on step 1, and what is on there is only a very small portion of the questions. So, yeah, year one is not all that relevant but it provides a knowledge base for you to build on in the future.
As for the respect issue, remember that they are forcing you to show your feelings in the evals. You are also going to do the same thing for your attendings and residents during third and fourth year. Yes, you are going to have to deal with plenty of ego and mostly there is nothing you can do about it except in those evals. I have heard your feedback in those evals at least makes a difference because the clerkship directors read those and either pull students from the worst of the attendings services or ask that they change their approach. Granted that this does not happen all the time, but I have heard on the interview trail that the program directors really do listen to how you are treated as a resident and how much you are getting out of a rotation and make adjustments accordingly.
So, yes, it is in your best interest to be honest and be bold about it. Don't let them use their authority to make you think any different. You really are going to need it, especially when it comes to patient advocacy.
Time for me to get off my soapbox.
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Point taken. However, I still feel it is more effective to be a little tactful about how you say things that tend to be more effective in producing change.
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I said nothing about not being tactful. All I was saying is that there was nothing wrong with being honest in your evals, and if you feel strongly about a teacher, you should be able to express it. After all, the evals are the "proper channels" for expressing your thoughts about teachers.
Come to think of it, this might be something useful to take before that new "open door committee" if someone from the first or second year classes would like to organize a group of students' thoughts on the issue.
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For the Y1 and Y2 students on this board, I highly recommend going to the career lunch tomorrow with Dr. Ledgerwood even if you don't plan on going into surgery. Trust me; just meeting her and listening to her is worth the price of admission (your lunch hour). You will most likely be meeting her eventually anyway once you get to your surgery clerkship in year 3.
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agreed. nothing will ever change/stay the same unless u give your opinion. i always tried to take about 5-10mins to give a few comments on the best and worst aspects/lectures each unit on the evals.
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It's one thing to state your opinion in an honest but "positive-criticism" way. However, I think a lot of the people are using evals to attack the professors personally... which, no matter how bad they may have been, is not right. I think that's what set Gatti off... that Ackerman was personally attacked.
Which I don't really understand, I mean besides the fact that she should have reviewed her slides before presenting, she was fine. Lightbody was the horrible one....
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did ackerman wear her tall black leather boots everyday?
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i couldn't tell cause i streamed her at 2x, but she did always seem to be wearing some type of boots
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I thought this had been worked out... (is this a sign that I need to rework my rank list?)
Glad that I am almost out the door - certainly feeling bad for those that are staying for the next while.
For anyone who hasn't seen/heard this yet:
DMC to cut pay to WSU doctors
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/BUSINESS06/802080326
I thought this had been worked out... (is this a sign that I need to rework my rank list?)
Glad that I am almost out the door - certainly feeling bad for those that are staying for the next while.
For anyone who hasn't seen/heard this yet:
DMC to cut pay to WSU doctors
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080208/BUSINESS06/802080326
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hey that's great! another win for detroit!
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Attending Wayne State University Medical school is the worst choice I have made in my life thus far.
I am a second year medical student. The teaching is substandard. THe faculty is clueless in regards to boards useful information, and my fellow classmates are 85% pricks.
I was accepted to 4 medical schools. Unfortunately I picked the wrong one.
Oh and as far as the "clinical experiences" of Detroit, don't be fooled, you can get a much higher quality education anywhere else. I would be happy to transfer, unfortunately it is too far into this year to consider it.
I am a second year medical student. The teaching is substandard. THe faculty is clueless in regards to boards useful information, and my fellow classmates are 85% pricks.
I was accepted to 4 medical schools. Unfortunately I picked the wrong one.
Oh and as far as the "clinical experiences" of Detroit, don't be fooled, you can get a much higher quality education anywhere else. I would be happy to transfer, unfortunately it is too far into this year to consider it.
