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We thought the APHA was BS when they said immunizer status would bring jobs. We thought academia was BS saying the way to increase jobs was to increase pharmacists scope of practice. We thought the BOL job projections were on target even though they historically were off.It is time to eat crow.
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sfachine said:
We thought the APHA was BS when they said immunizer status would bring jobs. We thought academia was BS saying the way to increase jobs was to increase pharmacists scope of practice. We thought the BOL job projections were on target even though they historically were off.It is time to eat crow.
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I'm sure PBMs were laughing in their faces when schools were giving false hope to naïve students. PBMs that have literally zero connection with pharmacies are controlling 100% of what happens in pharmacy profession. It's almost like we are being c u < k e d....
 
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sfachine said:
We thought the APHA was BS when they said immunizer status would bring jobs. We thought academia was BS saying the way to increase jobs was to increase pharmacists scope of practice. We thought the BOL job projections were on target even though they historically were off.It is time to eat crow.
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Legendary trolling. A+.

Cant wait for the readout on job losses when all these temp jobs are let go. Tech immunizations are normalized for all vaccines. And chains spin even more tech “enhancements” to concentrate more work into the pharmacist, enabling them to practice at “the top of their license” but really just cost cutting.

BTW I heard someone say once... the thing at the top of your license is the name of the state. If you aren’t already practicing at the top of your license you might want to re-evaluate. Thought that was pretty witty.
 
sfachine said:
We thought the APHA was BS when they said immunizer status would bring jobs. We thought academia was BS saying the way to increase jobs was to increase pharmacists scope of practice. We thought the BOL job projections were on target even though they historically were off.It is time to eat crow.
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I don’t get it - maybe I’m just slow or something... Do you mean to say that we are wrong in stating that the pharmacist job market is in crisis? That there is an abundance of jobs due to immunization and provider status?

Sounds like the zeal of an unvetted grad. When I am in a retail pharmacy, I visualize myself as one of the slave type people rowing the boat under the deck to an executioner pounding a base drum. If I do not row as hard as possible - I’ll get the axe.


It’s like this: (watch the whole thing and you will see what it’s like in retail pharmacy - at first it’s not so bad)

 
gwarm01 said:
All it took was a 100 year pandemic to offset the massive expansion of pharmacy schools with temporary immunizing positions. How could we have been so misguided?
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And if the pandemic becomes a one-and-done event with the vaccine what happens to all those jobs????
 
JustFillIt said:
I don’t get it - maybe I’m just slow or something... Do you mean to say that we are wrong in stating that the pharmacist job market is in crisis? That there is an abundance of jobs due to immunization and provider status?

Sounds like the zeal of an unvetted grad. When I am in a retail pharmacy, I visualize myself as one of the slave type people rowing the boat under the deck to an executioner pounding a base drum. If I do not row as hard as possible - I’ll get the axe.


It’s like this: (watch the whole thing and you will see what it’s like in retail pharmacy - at first it’s not so bad)

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The moment you started describing the rowing scene I thought of Ben Hur, then lo and behold you attached that clip, well done!
 
As was mentioned above the end result of this will be all technicians being able to vaccinate which does not increase pharmacist employment. Techs being able to vaccinate will make pharmacies more productive when compared to labor costs, but I doubt the liberalization of the laws stops there. It's guaranteed that the exclusive functions of pharmacists will continue to be eroded by expansion of technician duties. Eventually the role of a pharmacist will be so narrow that it may as well no longer exist.
 
Amicable Angora said:
The moment you started describing the rowing scene I thought of Ben Hur, then lo and behold you attached that clip, well done!
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Haha! I love the overseer who lifts his eyebrow every time someone gets too exhausted to continue. Totally like the CEOs.
 
Gombrich12 said:
As was mentioned above the end result of this will be all technicians being able to vaccinate which does not increase pharmacist employment. Techs being able to vaccinate will make pharmacies more productive when compared to labor costs, but I doubt the liberalization of the laws stops there. It's guaranteed that the exclusive functions of pharmacists will continue to be eroded by expansion of technician duties. Eventually the role of a pharmacist will be so narrow that it may as well no longer exist.
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I have a feeling they're gonna change the law for tech to give shots unsupervised. Like what we are doing with standing orders for immunizations. Dr. Stephanie Han is the designated doctor in Texas. There is going to be ONE designated pharmacist and techs just giving shots. Heck, why not let techs just run the pharmacy? cvs and wag certainly do not "need" a pharmacist. All you do all day is compare one side of the screen to the other side of the screen lol Any yahoo off the street can do that.
 
iamapharmacist said:
I have a feeling they're gonna change the law for tech to give shots unsupervised. Like what we are doing with standing orders for immunizations. Dr. Stephanie Han is the designated doctor in Texas. There is going to be ONE designated pharmacist and techs just giving shots. Heck, why not let techs just run the pharmacy? cvs and wag certainly do not "need" a pharmacist. All you do all day is compare one side of the screen to the other side of the screen lol Any yahoo off the street can do that.
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10 years ago there was an art to retail pharmacy. It was about getting to know all of your patients and building relationships with the public. I would practically memorize everyone’s medications and people would come to me for all sorts of advice. Upon dispensing that advice I would talk to them about their kids, hobbies, all sorts of stuff.

This helped people to be confident in the medications they were taking and provided a great service to the public. This has been stripped from us in the effort to make money... lots of money...

I don’t even know who or what the hell is happening anymore in a retail pharmacy. It’s a bunch of red screens, cumbersome phone calls, and bottles of who the hell knows what flying all over the place. It’s a public health hazard and needs to be exposed.
 
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Momus said:
It's still bullsh1t. $40/hr job isn't the one you want when it was 65/hr just 2 yrs ago.
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Also everything these new grads have to buy is inflating very quickly in price while their salary is dropping fast. How are you going to compete in the housing market when you make $45/hr and have $200,000 in loans? How many stocks or investments can you buy while making $45/hr after paying an overinflated mortgage and student loans?
 
Gombrich12 said:
Also everything these new grads have to buy is inflating very quickly in price while their salary is dropping fast. How are you going to compete in the housing market when you make $45/hr and have $200,000 in loans? How many stocks or investments can you buy while making $45/hr after paying an overinflated mortgage and student loans?
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I’ve been thinking a lot about this and the kids of the future. It’s feeling a little bleak, not just in pharmacy, but all jobs. Except maybe being Elon Musk. I hate that guy.
 
There is no real genuine interest in customer service or safety for these chains at a corporate level, just nuisance factors to deal with as far as optics.

So let them have retail techs immunize. A "career" for run down single moms and crones. Who in their right mind would actually want to do this ****.
 
iamapharmacist said:
I have a feeling they're gonna change the law for tech to give shots unsupervised. Like what we are doing with standing orders for immunizations. Dr. Stephanie Han is the designated doctor in Texas. There is going to be ONE designated pharmacist and techs just giving shots. Heck, why not let techs just run the pharmacy? cvs and wag certainly do not "need" a pharmacist. All you do all day is compare one side of the screen to the other side of the screen lol Any yahoo off the street can do that.
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Agree. The chains have been clamoring this for a long time.Now we will see who owns the state BOP
 
Just because CVS opened up a bunch of COVID19 vaccine support jobs, does not mean pharmacist job saturation disappears lol. You think these positions will be there for years? Its temporary... After the job is done, they may be nice and keep you PRN floater or else you'd have to be on the hunt for another job. Just make sure you don't get ahead of yourself and buy too many things you can't afford with that temporary position.
 
PharFromNormal said:
Legendary trolling. A+.

Cant wait for the readout on job losses when all these temp jobs are let go. Tech immunizations are normalized for all vaccines. And chains spin even more tech “enhancements” to concentrate more work into the pharmacist, enabling them to practice at “the top of their license” but really just cost cutting.

BTW I heard someone say once... the thing at the top of your license is the name of the state. If you aren’t already practicing at the top of your license you might want to re-evaluate. Thought that was pretty witty.
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Thanks. I never got a A+ in pharmacy school.However I did get a F- which I thought was not possible.
 
Without knowing how these pharmacy injection clinics are gonna work..The thought of giving injections all day every day is enough to make me dive off a cliff...But it's funny....I just stab those rascals in and out...then I hear.."oh...I never felt it..great job" I guess that's the key...
 
radio frequency said:
I’ve been thinking a lot about this and the kids of the future. It’s feeling a little bleak, not just in pharmacy, but all jobs. Except maybe being Elon Musk. I hate that guy.
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APN-59 rph said:
Without knowing how these pharmacy injection clinics are gonna work..The thought of giving injections all day every day is enough to make me dive off a cliff...But it's funny....I just stab those rascals in and out...then I hear.."oh...I never felt it..great job" I guess that's the key...
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When I used to immunize, I would use benzocaine alcohol wipes. I would double up and use two of them. After using it I would chat them up for a minute to let it kick in

The whole town spoke about how I gave the most painless injections they ever experienced. That’s my little secret
 
JustFillIt said:
Haha! I love the overseer who lifts his eyebrow every time someone gets too exhausted to continue. Totally like the CEOs.
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Also how everyone clearly sees some of their fellow men folding over in exhaustion or getting whipped on the floor, but no one can stop rowing to help them or they’ll be next.
 
iamapharmacist said:
I have a feeling they're gonna change the law for tech to give shots unsupervised. Like what we are doing with standing orders for immunizations. Dr. Stephanie Han is the designated doctor in Texas. There is going to be ONE designated pharmacist and techs just giving shots. Heck, why not let techs just run the pharmacy? cvs and wag certainly do not "need" a pharmacist. All you do all day is compare one side of the screen to the other side of the screen lol Any yahoo off the street can do that.
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The thought of techs running a pharmacy is absolutely terrifying.
 
DH1987 said:
The thought of techs running a pharmacy is absolutely terrifying.
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Agreed. Someone has to quarterback the madness and that takes a baseline knowledge of pharmacotherapy and law imo. Not to mention, most pharmacy technicians simply don't care enough to actually run the place. AI and automation aside, I think one big difference between pharmacists and techs is that pharmacists had to work (at least a little bit) to get to where they're at. They're more invested in the entire operation because they chose it as a career path instead of simply applying for a job.

Robots have been coming for our jobs for years. They haven't made much progress imo.
 
lane one said:
Agreed. Someone has to quarterback the madness and that takes a baseline knowledge of pharmacotherapy and law imo. Not to mention, most pharmacy technicians simply don't care enough to actually run the place. AI and automation aside, I think one big difference between pharmacists and techs is that pharmacists had to work (at least a little bit) to get to where they're at. They're more invested in the entire operation because they chose it as a career path instead of simply applying for a job.

Robots have been coming for our jobs for years. They haven't made much progress imo.
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The vast majority of technicians are simply not competent enough to run a pharmacy, nor can they handle the stress of making the decisions that pharmacists have to make. God knows I appreciate a technician that does their best, but without a pharmacist to guide them, I know that patient safety would be in grave danger.

As for AI, it has certainly come a long way, but I think it will be some years before they can operate at a level that would be safe and effective for patients. But if the day comes that AI becomes competent enough to take over our profession, I'd say that most other professions would be in danger as well.

I'd say the solution is to make all the money you can, invest all you can, and never look back.
 
Sparda29 said:
Has anyone else received bull**** texts from a company called Snapnurse offering $180/hr for travelling immunizer positions? I applied but never got a call back.
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Can't they just hire a nurse to do it for $40/hr?
 
Sparda29 said:
Has anyone else received bull**** texts from a company called Snapnurse offering $180/hr for travelling immunizer positions? I applied but never got a call back.
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I talked to a recruiter.They seem to have no clue.He didn't know anything about state licensing requirements.It seems everybody is improvising as they go.
 
If those are your techs, they are dumb. You can fail the assessment and get level 2 right away. The LOA can be upgraded to level 3 with a positive test. The partial pay replacement is potentially in place if legitimately ill (up to 50% of weekly average pay - it's been a while since I last checked this) over 26 weeks but in this case you have to prove it via medical certification
 
Chrish said:
This has become a joke. As soon as one tech starts sneezing, they go get tested hoping to get 14 days paid leave. And other three follow the suit hoping for the same thing.

Everyone wants a piece of this pie.
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Did - or would - you do the same?
 
JustFillIt said:
All of the literature I am reading in the states cut out nurses. So far it’s all been pharmacist and physician driven. I’m sure that will change over time.
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That only makes sense if nurses are needed to do more important medical functions.
 
JustFillIt said:
Did - or would - you do the same?
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Nope..

Few of my co-workers have gotten positive and several without any symptoms got tested hoping to get positive for paid 14 days off. I never did cause I didn’t have any symptoms.
 
Chrish said:
Nope..

Few of my co-workers have gotten positive and several without any symptoms got tested hoping to get positive for paid 14 days off. I never did cause I didn’t have any symptoms.
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Ahhhh - an “asymptomatic carrier”. Perhaps the worst of all.... lord only knows how many grandmas you have killed.

These days your damned if you do, damned if you don’t... it’s best to just keep our judgements to ourselves.
 
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Guidelines are clear.. You won’t have to get tested if not showing any symptoms..

Let’s not kid ourselves, shall we? Everyone time when someone gets positive (about once a month), if you run and get tested despite not showing any symptoms, you aren’t doing it for the good of humanity. You just want to seat on your ass for 14 days and still get paid.
 
Chrish said:
Guidelines are clear.. You won’t have to get tested if not showing any symptoms..
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I don't think we are reading the same guidelines. The guidelines I saw say to get tested if you had a high-risk exposure.

And who cares what someone's intentions are? Do you live in their head or have telepathic powers? It doesn't matter if they are trying to milk the system or whatever, I would be pretty happy if someone tested positive and I avoided unnecessary exposure.
 
owlegrad said:
I don't think we are reading the same guidelines. The guidelines I saw say to get tested if you had a high-risk exposure.

And who cares what someone's intentions are? Do you live in their head or have telepathic powers? It doesn't matter if they are trying to milk the system or whatever, I would be pretty happy if someone tested positive and I avoided unnecessary exposure.
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At this point those of us who work in healthcare, are already at “high-risk exposure “. You come in contact with several sick people every single day at pharmacy.

I don’t care if you are trying to milk the system. But be upfront about it. Don’t hide behind the excuse of “oh I don’t wanna harm anyone”.
 
Thought we were talking about your techs and co workers at this point. I am being told do weekly test for CVS and I don't even want to do that. No desire to milk anything.
 
Is CVS letting you get self-testing kits sent to your home?

I've been able to get tested only twice via Walmart in the last 5 months (ordering a test on the Quest website. Otherwise it says I'm not eligible)
 
radio frequency said:
I’ve been thinking a lot about this and the kids of the future. It’s feeling a little bleak, not just in pharmacy, but all jobs. Except maybe being Elon Musk. I hate that guy.
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I think your anger is misplaced, I think you meant Jeff Bezos. He is not even in the top 20 in donations even though he is the richest.

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The ranking of the 50 biggest givers in America, based solely on money given out, not pledged, in 2018.
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Gombrich12 said:
As was mentioned above the end result of this will be all technicians being able to vaccinate which does not increase pharmacist employment. Techs being able to vaccinate will make pharmacies more productive when compared to labor costs, but I doubt the liberalization of the laws stops there. It's guaranteed that the exclusive functions of pharmacists will continue to be eroded by expansion of technician duties. Eventually the role of a pharmacist will be so narrow that it may as well no longer exist.
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Lmao...wow. Technicians are able to immunize now? That is crazy. I just stumbled on this post. If it's anything like the mid level creep in medicine, you guys are in for a rude awakening. It won't just stop at immunization. Let's just hope that pharmacy technicians are not as eager to expand scope at 12$/hr.
 
medradthrowaway said:
Lmao...wow. Technicians are able to immunize now? That is crazy. I just stumbled on this post. If it's anything like the mid level creep in medicine, you guys are in for a rude awakening. It won't just stop at immunization. Let's just hope that pharmacy technicians are not as eager to expand scope at 12$/hr.
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Rude awakening? We’re already there, sadly. At least your mid levels have some basic training.

Technician training and requirements are all over the map and most are not the people I would trust to immunize my family.
 
radio frequency said:
Rude awakening? We’re already there, sadly. At least your mid levels have some basic training.

Technician training and requirements are all over the map and most are not the people I would trust to immunize my family.
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Chains are clamoring for tech as immunizers.This will be a test to see who has the clout in state pharmacy boards.
 
sfachine said:
Chains are clamoring for tech as immunizers.This will be a test to see who has the clout in state pharmacy boards.
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Oh, I already know. I see the Walgreens higher ups that have been embedding themselves in with the board and the local college for years now. I would be shocked if they aren’t paid for their “volunteerism.”
 
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