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tried searchin for it, seen plenty of posts talkin about how it works, was wondering were the list was of these schools with the "LizzyM" scores. Thanks
You know you're on SDN when.....Just a clarification question, to do this we use the median MCAT provided in the MSAR, right? Since it doesn't state the average...
You read things like "Lizzy Score".You know you're on SDN when.....
Just a clarification question, to do this we use the median MCAT provided in the MSAR, right? Since it doesn't state the average...
Hi, what da hell is LizzyM Score?
Lizzy M is a member of an admissions committee for an unknown-to-us ,very-competitve medical school. She gives advice to SDN folks about application issues in the Semi-Solicited Advice sticky at the top of the pre-allo page. She suggests you use the Lizzy M score to help decide if you should apply to a given medical school, based on your personal statistics. It helps you decide how competitive you will be.
C'est moi!
I came up with this about a year ago as a way to compare an applicant's stats with a schools average stats. (BTW, median is one way of measuring "average", which is a measure of central tendency. Mean and mode are other ways to describe "average").
Your Lizzy score: your gpa(10)+ MCAT.
A school's LizzyM score (M for medical ) avg gpa(10) + MCAT - 1.
If school that has a LizzyM score greater than your Lizzy score is a "reach". Most schools on your list should have LizzyM scores that are equal or less than your Lizzy score.
wow i've never seen this much self-promoting repetition of one's own name outside of a rap/hip-hop video. i'm surprised you didnt call yourself 'lizzylicious'
i've seen that rule of thumb around as long as i can remember. my freshman pre-med advisor told us about it and i've seen it in some of those application books. how can you actually claim naming rights??
so can i call dibs on the rights to 'shoot for atleast double digits in each mcat section' or 'apply only to schools that you would go to if that was your only acceptance'?
tried searchin for it, seen plenty of posts talkin about how it works, was wondering were the list was of these schools with the "LizzyM" scores. Thanks
I like the extra "-1" constant...makes it sound more scientific
seriously...why the "-1"?
I assume that she uses the score as sort of a screening device - she has also said that she has a GPA screen floor of around 3.4 (+/-), so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the average MCAT she is looking for in an applicant.
Whether I am comforted by this information or not, I do find it useful for developing a list of schools to apply to and using it the way she suggests (i.e., don't overload your app list with schools where you are below the LizzyM line). Common sense? Sure, but just look at some of the mdapp profiles where people did not do this and look at their results...
Precisely. The score doesn't say "you'll get in" it just says, you have a good shot at getting an interview (when you figure that some schools interview<15% of all applicants....).
Which is better to use in comparison, the cumulative or the BCPM? Or both? The reason why I ask is that my BCPM is better than my cumulative.
this system is bull**** and misleading and Lizzy knows it, so I tried to make it realistic:
+20 if you're an URM, who overcame alot to get to where you are now
+19 if you're an URM from a nondisadvantaged background, extra points if you're parents were physicians/other highly paid professionals
+2 if you're a nonURM but have worked in underserved environs
+5 if you're PS makes LizzyM cry
+5 if you have a LOR from Jesus
-5 if you obviously have an interest in research in radiology
+1 if you did any shadowing
-10 if you didn't do any shadowing
-10 if your medically related activities were for employment, rather than volunteering
hi, why is radiology considered bad?
I think this is an interesting system. However, let's not get carried away by stats or formulas. I think this number system is a good idea to see where you stand in terms of cold statistics...nothing more nothing less. Do not forget that a huge part of the application are the intangibles. Do not get bogged down in stats...in the end, they do not mean as much as what you say from the heart when you interview. Unfortunately, the stats monster seems to be what gets people interviews.
I was able to get into a top 3 university this year and my mcat was 31, not the almost 36 average the school was touting. The only reason a school is a "reach" school is if you don't think highly enough of yourself to apply.
What's wrong with this? I actually had patient related responsibilities when I had medical job rather than just putting together folders as a volunteer.
What's wrong with this? I actually had patient related responsibilities when I had medical job rather than just putting together folders as a volunteer.
wow i've never seen this much self-promoting repetition of one's own name outside of a rap/hip-hop video. i'm surprised you didnt call yourself 'lizzylicious'
i've seen that rule of thumb around as long as i can remember. my freshman pre-med advisor told us about it and i've seen it in some of those application books. how can you actually claim naming rights??
so can i call dibs on the rights to 'shoot for atleast double digits in each mcat section' or 'apply only to schools that you would go to if that was your only acceptance'?
this system is bull**** and misleading and Lizzy knows it, so I tried to make it realistic:
+20 if you're an URM, who overcame alot to get to where you are now
+19 if you're an URM from a nondisadvantaged background, extra points if you're parents were physicians/other highly paid professionals
+2 if you're a nonURM but have worked in underserved environs
+5 if you're PS makes LizzyM cry
+5 if you have a LOR from Jesus
-5 if you obviously have an interest in research in radiology
+1 if you did any shadowing
-10 if you didn't do any shadowing
-10 if your medically related activities were for employment, rather than volunteering
I don't why, but the original poster is correct about paid vs volunteer responsibilities. I was a CNA with over 1000 hours of patient contact. I didn't get accepted to medical school the first time I applied. When I sat down with the admissions office to go over my application, I was told, "You need to do volunteering." I countered by pointing out that I did more than push wheelchairs. The admissions officer was firm---I had to do volunteering. I left her office, signed up for a volunteer gig, logged a few hundred hours in volunteering, and then got multiple acceptances the second time I applied. I should note that there were a couple of other improvements in my application over that two-year period, but I was still shocked and a little annoyed that my original hospital experience wasn't looked upon more favorably.
getting paid = not selfless service to others
...nevermind that pretty much all physicians make 6 figures post-residency
I have been told 2 sides to this by 2 diff adcom members at my local school.
1. When you get paid for your contact hours (I actullay draw blood gases, administer EKG's and Breathing treatments as a student worker - no paperwork or wheelchair pusher) you actually have to work and be involved.
2. When you volunteer, it is selfless.
So IMO, it just depends on who has your folder in their hand.
That's complete bull. >99% of the hospital volunteering is because it will help your application. It is by no means selfless.
That's complete bull. >99% of the hospital volunteering is because it will help your application. It is by no means selfless.
I would agree somewhat. I was simply stating what I had been told by an adcom member.
Much of the volunteering in hospitals is because people want to polish their application. However, some people actually do enjoy volunteering, for example, in less fortunate areas such as MLK clinics and free medical counseling centers. Half of my volunteering is with mentally ******ed children and adults, and is selfless. My compassion for them comes from my sister who is mentally ******ed. Now I was volunteering in this sense long before I started on the path to medicine.
I'm not trying to come off as "a better than thou", by any means. I am purely stating that there are some people who volunteer as a selfless act. It just so happens that Med schools want to know about All of your volunteer work, and that drives people to do more than they normally do.