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[MirrorTodd]

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http://drslounge.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=377314

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I lol'd but I'm glad I'm not dating you. I'd rather be with someone who would stay with me during the hardest thing that ever happened to me.

Not if it's going to cost me my life...sorry, but I'd rather have regrets than be dead.

 

[8744]

Sure. Why the hell not.

And if my bf somehow got HIV (without cheating on me/doing drugs/some other deal-breaker - which is admittedly incredibly unlikely), then I would also have sex with him as long as we used condoms.

A lot of people are HIV+/HIV - couples and they make it work.

Sure you would.

 

[8744]

Why, it's so hard, apparently, to get HIV that it's a wonder so many educated, otherwise intelligent people do. You make it sound like you have to get a 10CC syringe full of HIV+ blood and shoot it in a vein.

How about this thought experiment: Would you have sex with someone you just met if they had HIV if you used a condom assuming it was a person who you would have sex with if they didn't have HIV? If not, why not?

On another note, is it just me or does it seem that pretty soon, one of the requirements for medical school admission will be having graduated medical school.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Why, it's so hard, apparently, to get HIV that it's a wonder so many educated, otherwise intelligent people do. You make it sound like you have to get a 10CC syringe full of HIV+ blood and shoot it in a vein.

The clinic I work for has a doctor, 2 nurses, and an NP all devoted to seeing HIV patients. There's hundreds of them there just to care for the HIV, and tons of them come in with their SOs and partners who are HIV-. People do it and they typically don't get HIV. If you're not a ***** and use condoms you'll be fine. As far as educated, otherwise intelligent people gettting it - a lot of educated, otherwise intelligent people get pregnant too. People are ******ed when it comes to using birth control and condoms.

How about this thought experiment: Would you have sex with someone you just met if they had HIV if you used a condom assuming it was a person who you would have sex with if they didn't have HIV? If not, why not?

I don't have sex with strangers so I can't answer this question. Would I start dating someone with HIV with the purpose of eventually being serious with them and having sex? No, probably not. But would I leave someone I was already serious with because of it, no. If I already love the person then the risk is worth the benefit. With a stranger its not.

Look you and DKM are clearly not going to agree with me on this - fine. But lets drop it - nothing you can say will convince me and nothing I can say will convince you.

 

[8744]

The clinic I work for has a doctor, 2 nurses, and an NP all devoted to seeing HIV patients. There's hundreds of them there just to care for the HIV, and tons of them come in with their SOs and partners who are HIV-. People do it and they typically don't get HIV. If you're not a ***** and use condoms you'll be fine. As far as educated, otherwise intelligent people gettting it - a lot of educated, otherwise intelligent people get pregnant too. People are ******ed when it comes to using birth control and condoms.


I don't have sex with strangers so I can't answer this question. Would I start dating someone with HIV with the purpose of eventually being serious with them and having sex? No, probably not. But would I leave someone I was already serious with because of it, no. If I already love the person then the risk is worth the benefit. With a stranger its not.

Look you and DKM are clearly not going to agree with me on this - fine. But lets drop it - nothing you can say will convince me and nothing I can say will convince you.

Well why the hell not, seeing as it is such a safe disease n' all.

the hypocrisy of the HIV community is breathtaking. On one hand it's the Black Death, coming to destroy civilization as we know it. On the other it's harmless, like the common cold. Move along, nothing to see here.

Oh yeah man. HIV. The only disease with it's own Political Action Comittee.

 

[8744]

The clinic I work for has a doctor, 2 nurses, and an NP all devoted to seeing HIV patients. There's hundreds of them there just to care for the HIV, and tons of them come in with their SOs and partners who are HIV-. People do it and they typically don't get HIV. If you're not a ***** and use condoms you'll be fine. As far as educated, otherwise intelligent people gettting it - a lot of educated, otherwise intelligent people get pregnant too. People are ******ed when it comes to using birth control and condoms.


I don't have sex with strangers so I can't answer this question. Would I start dating someone with HIV with the purpose of eventually being serious with them and having sex? No, probably not. But would I leave someone I was already serious with because of it, no. If I already love the person then the risk is worth the benefit. With a stranger its not.

Look you and DKM are clearly not going to agree with me on this - fine. But lets drop it - nothing you can say will convince me and nothing I can say will convince you.

Ah. That's a comforting thought.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Well why the hell not, seeing as it is such a safe disease n' all.

the hypocrisy of the HIV community is breathtaking. On one hand it's the Black Death, coming to destroy civilization as we know it. On the other it's harmless, like the common cold. Move along, nothing to see here.

Oh yeah man. HIV. The only disease with it's own Political Action Comittee.

How is it hypocritical? I said you can catch it - but its unlikely. Its a RISK. If I already know and love someone its worth the risk, if I don't its not. If you can't understand that, then you're less intelligent than your blog would suggest.

Also, I despise using condoms so if I'm single and choosing between someone who I have to use condoms with forever and someone I can choose to not use condoms with then I'm going to go with the latter.

But are you basically saying that you would leave your wife is she got HIV?

 

[8744]

The clinic I work for has a doctor, 2 nurses, and an NP all devoted to seeing HIV patients. There's hundreds of them there just to care for the HIV, and tons of them come in with their SOs and partners who are HIV-. People do it and they typically don't get HIV. If you're not a ***** and use condoms you'll be fine. As far as educated, otherwise intelligent people gettting it - a lot of educated, otherwise intelligent people get pregnant too. People are ******ed when it comes to using birth control and condoms.

I don't have sex with strangers so I can't answer this question. Would I start dating someone with HIV with the purpose of eventually being serious with them and having sex? No, probably not. But would I leave someone I was already serious with because of it, no. If I already love the person then the risk is worth the benefit. With a stranger its not.

Look you and DKM are clearly not going to agree with me on this - fine. But lets drop it - nothing you can say will convince me and nothing I can say will convince you.

Yeah, but your talking about a baby here. Surely an inconvenience and "the End of the World as we Know It" for most people but most people also eventually grow to love their children, especially mothers, with a passion that is primal. Maybe worth the risk, especially since in the circles you no doubt travel abortion is just another option. If it were, on the other hand, a deadly uniformly fatal disease you'd have to be a motard to roll those dice.

I mean, it's bad enough that I am exposed to needle sticks without going looking for it.

 

[8744]

How is it hypocritical? I said you can catch it - but its unlikely. Its a RISK. If I already know and love someone its worth the risk, if I don't its not. If you can't understand that, then you're less intelligent than your blog would suggest.

Also, I despise using condoms so if I'm single and choosing between someone who I have to use condoms with forever and someone I can choose to not use condoms with then I'm going to go with the latter.

But are you basically saying that you would leave your wife is she got HIV?

because you can't make up your mind if we should run, screaming into the night in fear from the HIV boogy man or yawn and just take our AZT.

I also find you faith in condoms to be touching.

 

[awk]

There wass a reason why STDs were one of the reasons for divorce in most states before "no fault" divorces (which by the way is the most redundant term ever) became common. If I were you and my partner came up positive, I'd leave a "Dear John Holmes" letter or divorce papers stuck to the front door with a 14 gauge needle. Like a viral version of Martin Luther and his theses.....

"Roses are red,
violets are blue,
your test came back positive,
so find someone else to screw."

I agree....While sex with an AIDS positive might be like driving, its more like driving into oncoming traffic. An accident is bound to happen (or he/she is dead in ten years). Great relationship. If someone who is HIV positive is still having sex with you do you really think he cares too much about you or your safety? NO

 

[alwaysaangel]

Yeah, but your talking about a baby here. Surely an inconvenience and "the End of the World as we Know It" for most people but most people also eventually grow to love their children, especially mothers, with a passion that is primal. Maybe worth the risk, especially since in the circles you no doubt travel abortion is just another option. If it were, on the other hand, a deadly uniformly fatal disease you'd have to be a motard to roll those dice.

Wow, you are a presumptuous dingus. I would never abort a child, me and my boyfriend decided before ever taking the risk by having sex that would would either keep it or put it up for adoption depending on our circumstances. Two of my friends who have gotten pregnant are raising them as single mothers. No one close to me has EVER had an abortion - so screw you. Don't give me your righteous bull**** when you don't know a damned thing about me.

My point was that people completely SUCK at using birth control - and there are far more ways to prevent pregnancy than there are at preventing HIV. It was in response to your assumption that condoms fail at preventing HIV a lot because intelligent people get it. I was trying to explain to you apparently slow mind that a lot of intelligent people fail at using birth control in general, so yeah they get STDs too.

And it your opinion that you have to be dumb to roll the dice, again - you're saying if your wife somehow got HIV you would leave her? And you're saying that if you got stuck by a needle and got HIV you would expect her to leave you? Wow, I sure hope someday I can have a loving marriage like yours. 🙄

 

[alwaysaangel]

I agree....While sex with an AIDS positive might be like driving, its more like driving into oncoming traffic. An accident is bound to happen (or he/she is dead in ten years). Great relationship. If someone who is HIV positive is still having sex with you do you really think he cares too much about you or your safety? NO

Its kind of sad how ignorant pre-meds are. 🙁

 

[8744]

Wow, you are a presumptuous dingus. I would never abort a child, me and my boyfriend decided before ever taking the risk by having sex that would would either keep it or put it up for adoption depending on our circumstances. Two of my friends who have gotten pregnant are raising them as single mothers. No one close to me has EVER had an abortion - so screw you. Don't give me your righteous bull**** when you don't know a damned thing about me.

My point was that people completely SUCK at using birth control - and there are far more ways to prevent pregnancy than there are at preventing HIV. It was in response to your assumption that condoms fail at preventing HIV a lot because intelligent people get it. I was trying to explain to you apparently slow mind that a lot of intelligent people fail at using birth control in general, so yeah they get STDs too.

And it your opinion that you have to be dumb to roll the dice, again - you're saying if your wife somehow got HIV you would leave her? And you're saying that if you got stuck by a needle and got HIV you would expect her to leave you? Wow, I sure hope someday I can have a loving marriage like yours. 🙄

Wow, that's a first. I mention abortion as an option for unwanted pregnancy and I am called a presumptuous dingus. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

 

[8744]

Its kind of sad how ignorant pre-meds are. 🙁

No, we're just peeling off the crusty layer of bull**** that has formed over the issue of HIV (PBUIHN).

Man, all those mother****ers with COPD are probably saying, "You know, I wish we had better PR people working for us because our disease is just as deadly and we ain't getting squat."

 

[alwaysaangel]

Wow, that's a first. I mention abortion as an option for unwanted pregnancy and I am called a presumptuous dingus. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

You know full well I was replying to this sentence:

Maybe worth the risk, especially since in the circles you no doubt travel abortion is just another option.

You presumed that from something I said I must be the type of person and hang out with the type of people who frequently use abortion as birth control. I find the use of abortion as birth control to be repulsive and take offense that you would assume that I am that type of person.

You still haven't answered my question panda...you leaving your wife or not? Shoudl she leave you?

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Its kind of sad how ignorant pre-meds are. 🙁

And what the hell makes you any different? Do tell.......


Oh wait! That's right:

In a two-year study of sero-discordant couples (in which one partner was HIV-positive and one was HIV-negative), no uninfected partner became infected among couples using condoms correctly and consistently at every act of vaginal or anal sex versus 10 percent of those using condoms inconsistently.[1,6]

Care to give a citation so we can verify the veracity of this and see if there is anything to it? For all we know, n=10 or some other ridiculously number and the study isn't worth wiping your ass with.

I suspect the methodology is flawed based on that little snippet. "Correctly and consistently" could simply be a way of indicating "Well, so long as the condom didn't break, slip off or otherwise fail as they are prone to doing, they were in this group." If anything happened and someone was infected, they automatically are rolled over to the other group.

 

[8744]

Wow, you are a presumptuous dingus. I would never abort a child, me and my boyfriend decided before ever taking the risk by having sex that would would either keep it or put it up for adoption depending on our circumstances. Two of my friends who have gotten pregnant are raising them as single mothers. No one close to me has EVER had an abortion - so screw you. Don't give me your righteous bull**** when you don't know a damned thing about me.

My point was that people completely SUCK at using birth control - and there are far more ways to prevent pregnancy than there are at preventing HIV. It was in response to your assumption that condoms fail at preventing HIV a lot because intelligent people get it. I was trying to explain to you apparently slow mind that a lot of intelligent people fail at using birth control in general, so yeah they get STDs too.

And it your opinion that you have to be dumb to roll the dice, again - you're saying if your wife somehow got HIV you would leave her? And you're saying that if you got stuck by a needle and got HIV you would expect her to leave you? Wow, I sure hope someday I can have a loving marriage like yours. 🙄

"In sickness and health." We swear an oath to God when we are married and that supersedes disease. But sex? My wife loves me too much to risk my life as potnetially the sole surviving parent to our four children.

But the question is how strong is your almost religious faith in condoms?

 

[Eric Lindros]

I agree....While sex with an AIDS positive might be like driving, its more like driving into oncoming traffic. An accident is bound to happen (or he/she is dead in ten years). Great relationship. If someone who is HIV positive is still having sex with you do you really think he cares too much about you or your safety? NO

Eh, don't agree with this actually. This is your opinion but it's not something everyone agrees with.

 

[8744]

You know full well I was replying to this sentence:


You presumed that from something I said I must be the type of person and hang out with the type of people who frequently use abortion as birth control. I find the use of abortion as birth control to be repulsive and take offense that you would assume that I am that type of person.

You still haven't answered my question panda...you leaving your wife or not? Shoudl she leave you?

Um, the HIV "community" is not exactly known as a bastion of either Christian piety or Damn-them-all-all-to-hell Evangelicism. Take a quick poll of your co-workers and patients and see what they think.

 

[alwaysaangel]

"In sickness and health." We swear an oath to God when we are married and that supersedes disease. But sex? My wife loves me too much to risk my life as potnetially the sole surviving parent to our four children.

But the question is how strong is your almost religious faith in condoms?

I like sex too much to give it up. And I have enough faith in the condoms that again - it would be worth the risk.

 

[alwaysaangel]

Care to give a citation so we can verify the veracity of this and see if there is anything to it? For all we know, n=10 or some other ridiculously number and the study isn't worth wiping your ass with.

It was CDC, n=124. Not huge, but not terribly tiny either. http://oversight.house.gov/Documents/20040817143856-95300.pdf

 

[gujuDoc]

"In sickness and health." We swear an oath to God when we are married and that supersedes disease. But sex? My wife loves me too much to risk my life as potnetially the sole surviving parent to our four children.

But the question is how strong is your almost religious faith in condoms?

Yeah I don't think that if a person contracts AIDs and is married, it necessarily means they need to have a sexual relationship for their relationship to survive. If the people are mature enough to handle that oath of sickness and health, then they will be content with realizing they may not be able to have sex again due to the risks involved.

This doesn't apply to Panda, but in most cases people don't stay with the significant other because they don't have the sense of committment and many times men see women as a object so if AIDS is a possibility they act cowardly and up and leave.

I was in immunology online last semester when we had to watch several videos about the AIDS epidemic in Africa. It was pretty sad because the stigma associated with AIDS led many people to not get tested until they had children who ended up being diagnosed. What is worse was that in several cases the men acted cowardly and did not test to see if they had been contracted with AIDS and then up and left the women and their children. In one case, they showed a woman who had like 1 or 2 kids who had AIDS and the guy left the woman. Then when she went on meds he acted like he could just waltz back in and have sex with her again and then up and left again after using her body like she was some object. The lack of integrity amongst these men in these villages was just outright disgusting.

 

[DropkickMurphy]

I was in immunology online last semester when we had to watch several videos about the AIDS epidemic in Africa. It was pretty sad because the stigma associated with AIDS led many people to not get tested until they had children who ended up being diagnosed. What is worse was that in several cases the men acted cowardly and did not test to see if they had been contracted with AIDS and then up and left the women and their children. In one case, they showed a woman who had like 1 or 2 kids who had AIDS and the guy left the woman. Then when she went on meds he acted like he could just waltz back in and have sex with her again and then up and left again after using her body like she was some object. The lack of integrity amongst these men in these villages was just outright disgusting.

And people wonder why I don't think there is any hope for Africa?

 

[gujuDoc]

And people wonder why I don't think there is any hope for Africa?

hahahaha soooooooooooo true!!!

 

[Dr. C. Troy]

Great trolling Panda Bear.

PS: Frist is still an idiot.

 

[Dr. Josh]

Wow, how did my innocent little thread about my volunteer rejection turn into this?😱

 

[awk]

Having sex with someone after you have been declared HIV positive should be illegal. I got a ticket for not wearing my f-ing seatbelt for godsakes! Oh yeah...check with your favorite condom agency on the effectivness of condoms against HIV. Its not 100% but if you are in an ongoing relationship will you have sex more than 100 times? Exactly

 

[alwaysaangel]

Having sex with someone after you have been declared HIV positive should be illegal. I got a ticket for not wearing my f-ing seatbelt for godsakes! Oh yeah...check with your favorite condom agency on the effectivness of condoms against HIV. Its not 100% but if you are in an ongoing relationship will you have sex more than 100 times? Exactly

You think that 99% effective means that if you have sex 100 times then it should fail once? No. Its way more complicated than that and involves the percentage of couples who over a years period have their condoms fail, etc.

 

[8744]

Great trolling Panda Bear.

PS: Frist is still an idiot.

Hang on. I don't troll. I may spark a debate here or there but disagreement and satire are not trolling.

Also, by what criteria is Mr. Frist an idiot? He's a physician, a Senator, and as well liked as is possible for a politician in his home state. I've actually met the guy and he seems to be pretty intelligent. I see you probably aren't past the Bushchimphitler stage of political awareness so what's the friggin' point?

 

[Wanna_B_Scutty]

Hang on. I don't troll. I may spark a debate here or there but disagreement and satire are not trolling.

I love you Panda, really I do, but your previous posts in this thread come pretty close to trolling.

Regarding alwaysangel's work with HIV+ patients, I personally think it's great. I also see no conflict between doing this sort of work and being pro-life.

 

[awk]

You think that 99% effective means that if you have sex 100 times then it should fail once? No. Its way more complicated than that and involves the percentage of couples who over a years period have their condoms fail, etc.

No. MY point was repeated use increases the chances of a failure.