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Alkain said:
We just had to know the point was somewhere along the length of the muscle.
Isn't picking one point to always use kind of arbitrary? Like, if you have a sore Gastroc that point's not always gonna be at that handful of trigger points. It could be way down near the achilles.
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Yeah they want us to demonstrate a specific point that they taught us. One of the many reasons I'd never recommend KCU.
 
scoopdaboop said:
idk what people are talking about. One of the "tips for MSK" provided by the school said to utilize spaced repition, which is basically saying use Anki, or something similar. The school doesn't make lectures required so that's a god send. There are some BS stuff that I do not like the school for, but for the most part, you can stay at home (except for required lab days), and study how you want, no matter what the admin "recommends", because if they do not require you to do anything, it doesn't matter.
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Glad that has been your experience, but mine couldn't be more opposite. I've never been told to use anki, but I sure have been told I'm a bad student for not going to class and that I *shouldn't* use anki a million times. I'm glad we don't have required lectures (mostly), but they sure do somehow keep us on campus almost every day of the week...
 
vin5cent0 said:
but they sure do somehow keep us on campus almost every day of the week...
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This gets way better second year. First year sucks if you're the type of student who doesn't go to class and does their own thing. I'm not on campus more than 3x week at most (obviously with occasional exceptions) now.
 
Maaan I’m so glad I didn’t get into kcu. I mean we all hate different stuff about our schools but dang I’ve never even seen a copy of Robbins.
 
Ho0v-man said:
Maaan I’m so glad I didn’t get into kcu. I mean we all hate different stuff about our schools but dang I’ve never even seen a copy of Robbins.
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Actually, I'm pretty happy here and would pick it again out of my acceptances. I'm actually enjoying 2nd year way more than 1st, I just agree that there's a problem with the way our exams are being constructed if the average grade in the class before the curve is failing. It sucks to see everyone so stressed out and on edge after every exam when scores come back so low.
 
fldoctorgirl said:
Actually, I'm pretty happy here and would pick it again out of my acceptances. I'm actually enjoying 2nd year way more than 1st, I just agree that there's a problem with the way our exams are being constructed if the average grade in the class before the curve is failing. It sucks to see everyone so stressed out and on edge after every exam when scores come back so low.
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Yeah, in retrospect I’m glad my school didn’t lets us know how bad we did until they threw out the “bad” questions. I really think biochem, pharm, and omm were the only poorly taught classes at my school.

Oh and all of neuro was terrible, of course.
 
Ho0v-man said:
Yeah, in retrospect I’m glad my school didn’t lets us know how bad we did until they threw out the “bad” questions. I really think biochem, pharm, and omm were the only poorly taught classes at my school.

Oh and all of neuro was terrible, of course.
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To my knowledge KCU never throws away more than one or two questions per test, I'd like to see how many questions 50% of people answered correctly. But definitely be thankful you don't need to read Robbins lol
 
LostPuppy said:
To my knowledge KCU never throws away more than one or two questions per test, I'd like to see how many questions 50% of people answered correctly. But definitely be thankful you don't need to read Robbins lol
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We don’t have a true curve though. Grass is always...a different shade of brown dying grass.
 
fldoctorgirl said:
Outlines 2-3 times. Zanki. Pathoma. Sketchy. Don't watch Dobson or Putthoff at all, don't even look at their powerpoints. I finished with an above average grade on the first block doing this.

Stressed with ya! And angry that I have to waste a weekend studying this.....nonsense.
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For GI, I memorized the entire GI zanki deck and still only got a 69% on that exam, our average was a 70. Dobson's questions are insane 3rd order questions on random sentences found in Robbins. Where Zanki GI shines though is the 2nd exam, because it has a lot of the clinical material covered. Don't get discouraged if you do poorly, it's notoriously difficult.
 
PorkChopsOG said:
For GI, I memorized the entire GI zanki deck and still only got a 69% on that exam, our average was a 70. Dobson's questions are insane 3rd order questions on random sentences found in Robbins. Where Zanki GI shines though is the 2nd exam, because it has a lot of the clinical material covered. Don't get discouraged if you do poorly, it's notoriously difficult.
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They switched up the curriculum this year so now there's path and clinical med on both exams.
 
PorkChopsOG said:
For GI, I memorized the entire GI zanki deck and still only got a 69% on that exam, our average was a 70. Dobson's questions are insane 3rd order questions on random sentences found in Robbins. Where Zanki GI shines though is the 2nd exam, because it has a lot of the clinical material covered. Don't get discouraged if you do poorly, it's notoriously difficult.
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Oh I'm definitely prepared to see a poor score when I hit submit....if your average was a 70, I can't wait to see what our average will be after our 66 cardiopulm average..Dobson is who I was talking about when I wrote that some professors think we all want to be pathologists when they write their questions haha
 
PorkChopsOG said:
For GI, I memorized the entire GI zanki deck and still only got a 69% on that exam, our average was a 70. Dobson's questions are insane 3rd order questions on random sentences found in Robbins. Where Zanki GI shines though is the 2nd exam, because it has a lot of the clinical material covered. Don't get discouraged if you do poorly, it's notoriously difficult.
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LOL Looking forward to navigating that next year
 
LostPuppy said:
They switched up the curriculum this year so now there's path and clinical med on both exams.
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Wait what?
Our Curriculum, while difficult, was great. The previous dean, Dr. Dubin, came in and made the system we had which was anatomy/histo/phys/embryo 1st year, path/clinical/pharm 2nd year. Which worked great. I have a feeling the current administration is changing things just to change things, and put their name on it.
 
PorkChopsOG said:
Wait what?
Our Curriculum, while difficult, was great. The previous dean, Dr. Dubin, came in and made the system we had which was anatomy/histo/phys/embryo 1st year, path/clinical/pharm 2nd year. Which worked great. I have a feeling the current administration is changing things just to change things, and put their name on it.
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I think the basis of the curriculum is the same. They keep trying to say that they're trying to change things so we don't have to rely on Robbins so heavily, but I personally think that's BS and nothing has really changed in that sense. We had cardiopulm and renal together, which was...interesting. They've crammed a bunch of DSAs down our throats, though, and instead of having a path exam followed by a clin med exam, it's more integrated. So for our first GI exam, it's on a chunk of path and the corresponding clin med and pharm that goes along with it. Second exam will be some more path and whatever goes with that. I think it's like you said-- they're trying to change things or say they change things just so they can say they did something, but I think the bare bones is still pretty much the same. Don't know why they would mess with something that clearly works well (Dubin)..I would hate to be a first year this year.
 
fldoctorgirl said:
I think the basis of the curriculum is the same. They keep trying to say that they're trying to change things so we don't have to rely on Robbins so heavily, but I personally think that's BS and nothing has really changed in that sense. We had cardiopulm and renal together, which was...interesting. They've crammed a bunch of DSAs down our throats, though, and instead of having a path exam followed by a clin med exam, it's more integrated. So for our first GI exam, it's on a chunk of path and the corresponding clin med and pharm that goes along with it. Second exam will be some more path and whatever goes with that. I think it's like you said-- they're trying to change things or say they change things just so they can say they did something, but I think the bare bones is still pretty much the same. Don't know why they would mess with something that clearly works well (Dubin)..I would hate to be a first year this year.
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Yeah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head here IMO, especially about not wanting to be a first year this year. They seem to have it BAD and I thought we had it bad last year. Just praying they do Neuro a bit better for them
 
LOL this thread should be renamed to the KCU vent thread. I totally agree with you guys though. I don’t know why admin felt the need to make all these changes when Dubin obviously had a good system in place.
 
Schwifty said:
No joke, our dean on Friday said "don't do what those people on student doctor .net say and skip lecture and just do flashcards, that won't work" lolololol
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Lol this is literally the strategy saving my ass at KCU right now

And oh my goodness OS and PCM combined into 1 class sounds like a nightmare. Next year will be fun
 
How this thread has me feeling. :laugh:
 

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Schwifty said:
I love how this has just turned into a KCU student thread
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Right? Haha. If the school wants feedback they shouldn’t be having dean’s meetings. Just start a thread on SDN titled “KCU vent thread”. Students both past and present will come out of the woodwork and make an appearance. Lol
 
Pharmd2MD92 said:
Right? Haha. If the school wants feedback they shouldn’t be having dean’s meetings. Just start a thread on SDN titled “KCU vent thread”. Students both past and present will come out of the woodwork and make an appearance. Lol
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forums.studentdoctor.net

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Just a place for KCU students to vent about the school, faculty, and curriculum.
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Done
 
fldoctorgirl said:
Wait what.....is this torture they're putting us through not common in other schools......? F St Ra?!?!?!?
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We had to learn all of the tender points for counterstain. LOL
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Man all this talk about 88-90% being mid-quintile and class averages being curved to 85% has me all jelly
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Something like 40 people in our class failed cardio/pulm/renal... with a ~14% curve. Their expectations are wildly unrealistic of us at times, even with a generous curve that only serves to cover up glaring deficiencies in our understanding of the material.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Man all this talk about 88-90% being mid-quintile and class averages being curved to 85% has me all jelly
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Yeah but on the flip side when you have that high of an average if you miss a question or two your rank tanks since everyone’s GPA is so high
 
scoopdaboop said:
If our classes weren’t curved then like 30 percent of the class wouldn’t make the 70 percent pass grade.
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If they didnt curve they would have to give less material/ easier questions. or throw out more
 
fldoctorgirl said:
Outlines 2-3 times. Zanki. Pathoma. Sketchy. Don't watch Dobson or Putthoff at all, don't even look at their powerpoints. I finished with an above average grade on the first block doing this.

Stressed with ya! And angry that I have to waste a weekend studying this.....nonsense.
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Id be careful using only board stuff. I did the same as you and did better than I ever have on the last block, but ive heard over and over that pathoma and zanki are low yield for dobson.
 
ohmanwaddup said:
Id be careful using only board stuff. I did the same as you and did better than I ever have on the last block, but ive heard over and over that pathoma and zanki are low yield for dobson.
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They are very low yield for dobson. Like I said earlier, I memorized pathoma and zanki GI deck, and still failed his exam. He pulls from Robbins, and only Robbins and they are very difficult questions.
 
Are they 3rd order questions where you have to make connections to multiple concepts or just based on some nuanced detail?
PorkChopsOG said:
They are very low yield for dobson. Like I said earlier, I memorized pathoma and zanki GI deck, and still failed his exam. He pulls from Robbins, and only Robbins and they are very difficult questions.
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ExplodingUlcers said:
Are they 3rd order questions where you have to make connections to multiple concepts or just based on some nuanced detail?

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Nuanced detail. I don't remember specific questions, but I do remember going "This is insane" to some of the questions.
 
ohmanwaddup said:
Id be careful using only board stuff. I did the same as you and did better than I ever have on the last block, but ive heard over and over that pathoma and zanki are low yield for dobson.
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I always still read the outlines several times. I've gathered from his CIS questions already that he wants to focus on random details, but I'm not planning on changing my study strategy. I'm focused on the knowledge I need to know long term, so if I get a lower grade in GI I'm fine with that. All depends on your goals, I guess.

Also looks like Dobson is teaching all of repro path so that should be fun lol
 
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fldoctorgirl said:
I always still read the outlines several times. I've gathered from his CIS questions already that he wants to focus on random details, but I'm not planning on changing my study strategy. I'm focused on the knowledge I need to know long term, so if I get a lower grade in GI I'm fine with that. All depends on your goals, I guess.

Also looks like Dobson is teaching all of repro path so that should be fun lol
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Yeah I Agree its been a bitch, Ive kept up with zanki but only did one pass of pathoma. Trying to find the perfect line of passing and doing mostly board stuff.
 
I do a pass or two of BnB/FA annotating/Pathoma/Sketchy + 2x class ppts and works well for me
 
Our average was around 84% for the first exam. Second exam was basically all of metabolism and a bit more complicated. Average was a 78%. Our exams are typically 80-90 questions per exam. 5 per trimester for reference. They are very fair in my opinion. They have been testing the major concepts for the most part in a patient case scenario. There are some very detailed, 3rd order questions sometimes, but thats to be expected.
 
hungrydoc710 said:
I do a pass or two of BnB/FA annotating/Pathoma/Sketchy + 2x class ppts and works well for me
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How are your school's averages, and how well do you usually score? Wanna figure out if I needa be doing more more studying than nitpicky school details
 
Sorry to switch gears, but how many people from your school remediate a class (not sure if anyone knows/shares this information at your school)? Our 2nd years just told us how many of them remediated Anatomy, and I am trying to figure out if this happens everywhere.
 
At my school, retaking a course is very rare. They do their best to set everyone up for success.
 
vin5cent0 said:
KCU 2nd year here - our class averages are pathetic (and not due to fault of students IMO). They pile on an unrealistic amount of lectures, and then instead of just letting you study, they pile on tons of mandatory labs, lectures, student clinic days, etc. School's response to our bad grades? Stop doing flashcards, go to class, make OMM/PCM more difficult so we stop neglecting it (they're combining the two classes next year because it's too easy right now). I like the education I'm getting for the most part, but this school is as tone-deaf as one can be.
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You guys match exceptionally well. i wouldnt worry
 
DPTinthemaking15 said:
Sorry to switch gears, but how many people from your school remediate a class (not sure if anyone knows/shares this information at your school)? Our 2nd years just told us how many of them remediated Anatomy, and I am trying to figure out if this happens everywhere.
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A ton at our school. I believe something close to 50 or 60 people remediated neuro after first year at our school (both campuses).
 
fldoctorgirl said:
A ton at our school. I believe something close to 50 or 60 people remediated neuro after first year at our school (both campuses).
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Yup. Those are about the numbers that remediated one of our courses. I wasn’t sure if that was normal or not.
 
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