what are the 12 lowest tier schools?

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You think that they'd be easy to get into? Tell that to the 22,000 applicants who didn't get in anywhere last year.
 
McSpin said:
So, anyone know approximately how many did get in?
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According to AAMC about 50% don't get into allo med schools, 50% do. See their website for exact figures. There are schools that received as many as 10,000 applications this past year so competition is pretty heated. As for "lowest tier schools" there is no official tier system. Some people look at the US News research rankings as a de facto tiering system, so some people perhaps would consider the schools that aren't ranked "lower tier". However this ranking methodology doesn't take into account degree of competitiveness (i.e. it is largely driven by research dollars), so there may be as large a rejection percentage at these unranked schools as some of the better ones.

Pick up a copy of MSAR and apply to places where you would go and where your numbers appear competitive.
 
Why would it matter which are the lowest tier MD schools? If you want to know which one you'd be most competitive at, check the MSAR for mcat and gpa averages.
 
I think it's a fair question. Unfortunately, I don't know myself so I can't answer,
 
What does low tier mean, anyways? You'll get an adequate education at any US medical school, MD or DO. If you are referring just to stats, just browse through the MSAR and look for those with the lowest GPA/MCAT values.
 
streetlight said:
I think it's a fair question. Unfortunately, I don't know myself so I can't answer,
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While it's not an "unfair" question, nobody can answer because there isn't an answer. There is no tiering system for med schools -- that is a college thing. There are a few companies (esp. USNews) that rank schools but none that I am aware of puts them into tiers and none ranks as far down the list as the bottom dozen. Thus any answer to this question is going to be totally one of (likely uninformed) subjectively driven opinion.
 
Any existing "tiering" or ranking should be adjusted or rearranged to accommodate the quality of each individual application. In my case, all I have to do is turning the US News Ranking up side down.
 
The bottom 12 schools are:

University of Wisconsin Medical School
Vanderbilt School of Medicine
VCU/MCV School of Medicine
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Washington University School of Medicine
Wayne State University School of Medicine
Weill Medical College at Cornell University
West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine
West Virginia University School of Medicine
Western University College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific
Wright State University Boonshoft School of Medicine
Yale University School of Medicine
 
Yeah I agree with Law2Doc, it is hard to answer your question because it would be subjective. I think you need to revise your question like, What schools have the highest acceptance rates for your particular major, stats, state?...etc. Try to narrow your question to specifics. Albeit you will be flamed for your question and will be rudely directed towards MSAR.

I love SDN and I think it can be a very helpful and fun place. I do however notice that a lot of people love bashing people's questions when they feel the question is flawed in someway. Now sometimes the bashers are right and have a point, but I find it troubling that people can't make their points without having to be rude or insensitive. To the people who make sarcastic and rude comments, is it really worth your time? I bet half of these people would not be this mean in real life. Is it just the internet that brings out the @sshole in people?
 
Depakote said:
The bottom 12 schools are:

University of Wisconsin Medical School
Vanderbilt School of Medicine
VCU/MCV School of Medicine
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Washington University School of Medicine
Wayne State University School of Medicine
Weill Medical College at Cornell University
West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine
West Virginia University School of Medicine
Western University College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific
Wright State University Boonshoft School of Medicine
Yale University School of Medicine
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Depakote said:
The bottom 12 schools are:

University of Wisconsin Medical School
Vanderbilt School of Medicine
VCU/MCV School of Medicine
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
Washington University School of Medicine
Wayne State University School of Medicine
Weill Medical College at Cornell University
West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine
West Virginia University School of Medicine
Western University College of Osteopathic Medicine of the Pacific
Wright State University Boonshoft School of Medicine
Yale University School of Medicine
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Love it! Who the heck cares an MD is an MD...👍
 
Rather than asking what the "lowest" 12 schools are, use this link to get an idea about where your scores/ GPA would be considered competitive. It's by no means supposed to tell you where you would get in or not, but it should help narrow down the list of schools you apply to. So much more depends on your interview and overall application.
 
sheesh...why can someone just answer the kid's question...stop w/ the lectures (we're all in the same boat remember). Hopefully OP with do his/her HW and not just go by some list of schools or #'s

here are some (i think)

Rosalind Franklin
Jefferson
NY med
UI (Carver)
Drexel ?
Albany ?
NJMS (instate pref)
 
xxbruinxx said:
sheesh...why can someone just answer the kid's question...stop w/ the lectures (we're all in the same boat remember). Hopefully OP with do his/her HW and not just go by some list of schools or #'s

here are some (i think)

Rosalind Franklin
Jefferson
NY med
UI (Carver)
Drexel ?
Albany ?
NJMS (instate pref)
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A LOT of people who actually go or will go to those schools are going to be really angry with you...just gettin you ready
 
instigata said:
A LOT of people who actually go or will go to those schools are going to be really angry with you...just gettin you ready
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angry or not, there's a point where people need to accept reality. i doubt that people who are going or will go to those schools would question whether their school is better than ucsf or harvard med. there obviously does exist a tier system of sorts. i agree with just answering the guy's question without giving him crap about it.
 
It's a difficult question to answer, much like answering the question "What's the best college?" While many would leap and say Harvard, the answer is a lot more nebulous than that. What are you looking for in a medical school? Well, that which completely lacks that is probably the "worst" for you.

Are you talking about it in terms of matching? Prestige or specialty? How about research? Are you talking about funding or specific fields? Basic science or clinical? What about community involvement? Curriculum? When you're talking about the 'worst', as in the 'least competitive', DO and Carribean schools probably qualify as less competitive than allopathic schools (but are in no way shape or form equal to each other). So when you ask this question, phrase it in a more answerable way, or just do your own research. Match lists are available wherever you want. You want a list of schools that are easier to get into? Check your MSAR as others have advised. Lowest GPA + MCAT will probably mean that it's easier to get into (based purely on numbers).
 
streetlight said:
angry or not, there's a point where people need to accept reality. i doubt that people who are going or will go to those schools would question whether their school is better than ucsf or harvard med. there obviously does exist a tier system of sorts. i agree with just answering the guy's question without giving him crap about it.
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There is no tier system. A tier system was created by US News & World Report for colleges and law schools. There are only 125 (M.D.) medical schools. There was a great essay written by the AAMC president criticizing the USNews rankings system:

Just what is wrong with the rankings? The fundamental problem is that they are based on a set of metrics that fail to directly measure the quality of education. In the U.S. News rankings, "reputation" is the most heavily weighted metric. While a variety of factors help determine a school's reputation (such as the number of alumni and the size and location of its home city), many are in no way measures of educational quality.

Other metrics used in the rankings, such as the amount of National Institutes of Health (NIH) research grants awarded and faculty-to-student ratios, seem impressive at first glance, but can be misleading to an applicant. For example, while high levels of NIH funding may signal an institution's commitment to building strong research programs (and may also reflect research opportunities available to students), a strong research orientation could have the unintended consequence of limiting faculty time in the classroom.

Lastly, the U.S. News rankings list only 50 of the 125 accredited U.S. medical schools. Does this mean unranked schools do not provide a high-quality education? To the contrary; it has been my experience that a superb medical education can be found in some of the less well-known, yet very student-focused schools that might not even appear on the U.S. News list.
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http://www.aamc.org/newsroom/reporter/may07/word.htm
 
Based on what? USNews?

Like the above post says, USNews is misleading. Different people will have different opinions on what makes a medical school "good". It can be the amount of funding it receives or the number of students who do well on the Step.


For me, Hogwarts is #1. USNews and others think otherwise.
 
xxbruinxx said:
sheesh...why can someone just answer the kid's question...stop w/ the lectures (we're all in the same boat remember).
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Um, we aren't lecturing, the question simply cannot be answered.🙄 Schools are not arranged into tiers so it would be pure opinion to assign them to one. And to go further and pick the lowest 12 assumes some uniform criteria. Does the OP want the 12 schools s/he is most likely to be able to get into? If so, we need more info about the OP because state schools may be more amenable. If the OP wants the 12 schools who score worst on the boards, the info does not publically exist. If the OP wants the dozen schools with the lowest average GPAs/MCATs, then I would refer him/her to MSAR. If the OP is seeking some measure of quality of schools this is again unanswerable. As you can see, there are many ways this discussion could go (again none of which is a direct answer to the OP's unanswerable question because there isn't actually a tier system). Even if you were to use US News research rankings as your determinator (which is flawed for the reasons a poster explained above) US News does not even list all 125 schools in their ranking/not all schools are ranked.
 
xxbruinxx said:
sheesh...why can someone just answer the kid's question...stop w/ the lectures (we're all in the same boat remember). Hopefully OP with do his/her HW and not just go by some list of schools or #'s

here are some (i think)

Rosalind Franklin
Jefferson
NY med
UI (Carver)
Drexel ?
Albany ?
NJMS (instate pref)
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First of all, that list is total bull, second of all, even if you're stupid enough to go by US News, UIowa (Carver) is a top 40 school, ranked higher than Dartmouth. At least it was in 2007.
 
what i meant was which have the lowest GPA / MCAT averages... that are not heavily instate favored.
 
Law2Doc said:
According to AAMC about 50% don't get into allo med schools, 50% do.
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With these kinds of statistics, rankings don't even matter to me, it will only matter if I get accepted to more than one school, then I would have to compare who offers the best scholarship and award packages.
 
1. Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
2. University of New Mexico School of Medicine
3. University of North Dakota School of Medicine
4. Albany Medical College
5. Texas Tech University
6. University of South Dakota School of Medicine
7. Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
8. University of Missouri Kansas City School of Medicine
9. St. Louis University School of Medicine
9. Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine / Chicago School of Medicine
10. New York Medical College
11. SUNY - Downstate Medical Center College of Medicine (Brooklyn)
12. Wayne State University School of Medicine
 
Nevermind
 
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mahasanti said:
1. Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
2. University of New Mexico School of Medicine
3. University of North Dakota School of Medicine
4. Albany Medical College
5. Texas Tech University
6. University of South Dakota School of Medicine
7. Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
8. University of Missouri Kansas City School of Medicine
9. St. Louis University School of Medicine
9. Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine / Chicago School of Medicine
10. New York Medical College
11. SUNY - Downstate Medical Center College of Medicine (Brooklyn)
12. Wayne State University School of Medicine
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May I ask the reasoning for your ranking?
 
looks like he just pulled it outta his ass
 
mahasanti said:
1. Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
2. University of New Mexico School of Medicine
3. University of North Dakota School of Medicine
4. Albany Medical College
5. Texas Tech University
6. University of South Dakota School of Medicine
7. Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
8. University of Missouri Kansas City School of Medicine
9. St. Louis University School of Medicine
9. Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine / Chicago School of Medicine
10. New York Medical College
11. SUNY - Downstate Medical Center College of Medicine (Brooklyn)
12. Wayne State University School of Medicine
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What's wrong with SUNY Downstate? I never heard it considered a lower med school, even compared to other SUNY schools.😱
 
supernareg said:
what i meant was which have the lowest GPA / MCAT averages... that are not heavily instate favored.
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the problem with that is some schools weight different criteria differently (ie. don't eat, sleep, breath GPA/MCAT) Morehouse, Meharry, Jefferson all consistently have low GPA/MCAT averages, but they're not that much lower than the "average' for med schools, and nobody will honestly argue that they're ****ty schools.

Some schools aren't concerned with being academic powerhouses and churning out nobel prize winners, they just want to produce good doctors for their community.

the schools that I would consider "the worst" are the ones that seem overly concerned with GPA/MCAT but don't turn out good doctors.

a better question would be "what school produces the ****tiest doctors?" But you'd have to ask residency directors that question, we don't know ****.
 
mahasanti said:
1. Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
2. University of New Mexico School of Medicine
3. University of North Dakota School of Medicine
4. Albany Medical College
5. Texas Tech University
6. University of South Dakota School of Medicine
7. Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
8. University of Missouri Kansas City School of Medicine
9. St. Louis University School of Medicine
9. Rosalind Franklin University of Medicine / Chicago School of Medicine
10. New York Medical College
11. SUNY - Downstate Medical Center College of Medicine (Brooklyn)
12. Wayne State University School of Medicine
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I thought it was interesting that last year RF was listed with a 29 MCAT (median?). In this year's MSAR, RF has a 31! It jumped two points in a year? Wow. Also, UIC went up from 30 to 31 as well, but Rush and Loyola are still listed at 30. Never thought RF would have a higher MCAT than Loyola or Rush!

Oh, and I'm not RF bashing. I've heard it's a great school, and I've definitely included them in my application.
 
trichomoniasis said:
the problem with that is some schools weight different criteria differently (ie. don't eat, sleep, breath GPA/MCAT) Morehouse, Meharry, Jefferson all consistently have low GPA/MCAT averages, but they're not that much lower than the "average' for med schools, and nobody will honestly argue that they're ****ty schools.

Some schools aren't concerned with being academic powerhouses and churning out nobel prize winners, they just want to produce good doctors for their community.

the schools that I would consider "the worst" are the ones that seem overly concerned with GPA/MCAT but don't turn out good doctors.

a better question would be "what school produces the ****tiest doctors?" But you'd have to ask residency directors that question, we don't know ****.
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Meharry, Morehouse, Jefferson... huh?

I know you're a newbie to this whole process, but what the...
 
I don't understand why people are so defensive about this. There are obviously schools that are better than others...better at matching residencies than others...etc... there exist schools that consistently do this better than other schools.

You want to ask residencies which medical schools are the best? It's easy to see. Go to the top hospitals in various specialties and they list the medical schools their residents were from. The fact that you see the same schools repeatedly is no coincidence.

Don't give me that bull that it's about the feel of the schools, how you fit in, etc etc. Because I bet that if most of you received offers of admission from Harvard med school and NYMC, the most of you wouldn't be singing the same tune. I doubt that any of you would turn down HMS for NYMC barring financial constraints - even if you hated the atmosphere of HMS compared to NYMC.
 
trichomoniasis said:
the schools that I would consider "the worst" are the ones that seem overly concerned with GPA/MCAT but don't turn out good doctors.
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Or maybe it's just an excuse so you can feel better about yourself for not being able to get into those programs because of YOUR gpa/mcat
 
mahasanti said:
Wrong!





Wrong again!

Boy, some people do really get defensive don't they...
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All ya' gotta do is answer the question. You can do that, can't you? Otherwise, you've got no right calling someone "defensive" when you won't even disclose your reasoning.
 
crazydiamond said:
All ya' gotta do is answer the question. You can do that, can't you? Otherwise, you've got no right calling someone "defensive" when you won't even disclose your reasoning.
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probably best to ignore a ***** who has spent more than half his posts prestige trolling.
 
maestro1625 said:
probably best to ignore a ***** who has spent more than half his posts prestige trolling.
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Just because you're going to Wayne State, you don't have to resort to name calling...

And just because some outside source (not me personally) ranks these schools as the bottom of the heap, doesn't mean they are bad. On the contrary, I'm sure these schools are excellent and can get you where you want to go. Med school is med school.

So for your ego, remember that despite the rankings, your Wayne State will make you a doctor just as much as Harvard will. Cheer up, mate!

Oh, and for the record, if you had read any of my few previous posts, you would realize that I have not prestige trolled, except for maybe once at the beginning (I was naive, what can i say). I just think it is pretty ridiculous how dang defensive people get.
 
this thread is ridiculous
 
mahasanti said:
Just because you're going to Wayne State, you don't have to resort to name calling...

And just because some outside source (not me personally) ranks these schools as the bottom of the heap, doesn't mean they are bad. On the contrary, I'm sure these schools are excellent and can get you where you want to go. Med school is med school.

So for your ego, remember that despite the rankings, your Wayne State will make you a doctor just as much as Harvard will. Cheer up, mate!

Oh, and for the record, if you had read any of my few previous posts, you would realize that I have not prestige trolled, except for maybe once at the beginning (I was naive, what can i say). I just think it is pretty ridiculous how dang defensive people get.
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is that really true though? Wouldn't you have a harder time getting into top res programs from a lower med school? After all, we all know whose on top, then someone has to be on the bottom....it only makes sense
 
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