What are you going to buy with your first real Doc paycheck?

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and since i just found out, about a week ago..*hits schmoney dance* that i will be going to med school on a full tuition scholarship :soexcited: My first check will be used to pay off my 15k undergrad debt. Then I will be officially free from the shackles of the US government! With my second check, ill go buy benz .. not a brand new one tho (prolly like a couple months old lol)... I will never buy a brand new car right off the lot, biggest waste of money ever.

Nice! Congrats 😀

I approve of the car choice. Also buy a bunch of shooz.
 
1st paycheck - probably paying rent and getting a fancy drink downtown.
 
im still confused on what an actual doctor paycheck is lol - i seriously do not know what the averages are.

i hear so many things
 
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Is that signing amount specialty-dependent or fairly commonplace? Also, for how long of a commitment?
Haha -- I have no idea as to the current-day realities. I can just hope! This report says that 80% of searches offered a signing bonus (2012) with the average just north of $23,000 (p. 15). This wasn't broken down by specialty or commitment. Maybe an actual physician can comment on your specific questions.
 
Is that signing amount specialty-dependent or fairly commonplace? Also, for how long of a commitment?

It varies by specialty, location and how badly they want you. Rural places have higher sign on bonuses than big cities. Specialties are normally higher, but there are a lot of places that have a huge need for primary care, so they will be more generous to help recruit someone. Everything is negotiable. What I have seen is usually in the 2-3 yr range as far as commitment; if you leave before your commitment is done, you owe part or all of it back (depends on how contract is written). You also owe taxes on this $$.
 
I would invest half of it in low risk mutual funds and then take the other half over to my friend Asadulah who works in securities
Samir naga... naga... naganna work here anymore anyway
 
exactly.

" oh I just made 15k while I'm 250k in debt, better go spend 25k on new car/clothes/vacation"

Most posters are fun conversation and arent making absolute commitments, it's just party/fun talk. And delaying paying off your 250k debt by two weeks will not kill you.

Relax and have some fun.
 
Most posters are fun conversation and arent making absolute commitments, it's just party/fun talk. And delaying paying off your 250k debt by two weeks will not kill you.

Relax and have some fun.

Yeah and most medical students and attendings have 0 idea how to manage money.
 
Yeah and most medical students and attendings have 0 idea how to manage money.

Why you get an accountant. Or someone to manage your finances.
Either that or rob banks
 
Today at Pizza Hut, I paid the extra $1 so that I could go to the salad bar as many times as I want rather than only once.
And I paid for my husbands too!
Do they still have the pizza bar? Cholesterol filled awesomeness
 
Yeah and most medical students and attendings have 0 idea how to manage money.


I have a few accountants. They yell at me via email and a zillion voice messages when my spending gets ridiculous. I would imagine that accountants are a great investment for people in medical professions...
 
I have a few accountants. They yell at me via email and a zillion voice messages when my spending gets ridiculous. I would imagine that accountants are a great investment for people in medical professions...
Or you could do it yourself and not pay whatever fee they charge you which is probably a rip
 
Why you get an accountant. Or someone to manage your finances.
Either that or rob banks
Not worth it, really easy for people to learn to do it themselves. But medicine hates it when people understand money so the whole advisor schpiel gets thrown around a lot.
 
Today at Pizza Hut, I paid the extra $1 so that I could go to the salad bar as many times as I want rather than only once.
And I paid for my husbands too!

You need to Google those salad bar masterpieces that they made in China and save yourself that dollar
 
Somehow now that I can go buy myself pretty much whatever I want(not bragging, really), the amount of gratification I get is way less than buying stuff for loved ones. I think that's why it made me feel so good to be able to buy them nice things with my first doctor paychecks.

Dunno. Is this weird? I love my shooz and bags and whatever, but I feel like I used to get way more excited about them when they were things I had to wait and/or save for.
 
Assuming I got into med school and payed off my debt: I would pay off my moms credit card debt that isn't her fault, buy a nice house with a back yard for my tortoises to live in, and buy an expensive mountain bike and good hiking gear (I obviously love the outdoors)
 
Somehow now that I can go buy myself pretty much whatever I want(not bragging, really), the amount of gratification I get is way less than buying stuff for loved ones. I think that's why it made me feel so good to be able to buy them nice things with my first doctor paychecks.

Dunno. Is this weird? I love my shooz and bags and whatever, but I feel like I used to get way more excited about them when they were things I had to wait and/or save for.

Not weird. I feel the same way about buying things for other people vs buying them for myself. Unless it's a vacation, in which case screw everyone else. Those two weeks full of debauchery in London/Tokyo/NYC are mine and mine alone.
 
Somehow now that I can go buy myself pretty much whatever I want(not bragging, really), the amount of gratification I get is way less than buying stuff for loved ones. I think that's why it made me feel so good to be able to buy them nice things with my first doctor paychecks.

Dunno. Is this weird? I love my shooz and bags and whatever, but I feel like I used to get way more excited about them when they were things I had to wait and/or save for.
Not weird at all, just means you need to start setting your sights on some bigger ticket items then just shoes.

For example I got my eyes on one of these (FWIW I am a instrument rated pilot). While it may not be first doc paycheck its certainly something to save for.

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Used market has them around 5-600k for a good one. You have about 1100 nautical mile usable range which is all I need for where I am in the country.
 
Not weird at all, just means you need to start setting your sights on some bigger ticket items then just shoes.

For example I got my eyes on one of these (FWIW I am a instrument rated pilot). While it may not be first doc paycheck its certainly something to save for.

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Used market has them around 5-600k for a good one. You have about 1100 nautical mile usable range which is all I need for where I am in the country.
One of the hospitals I rotated in.. this doctor put up this "for sale" ad for his jet in the doctors lounge.
I was like "must be nice to casually be able to do that"
 
One of the hospitals I rotated in.. this doctor put up this "for sale" ad for his jet in the doctors lounge.
I was like "must be nice to casually be able to do that"

seems more like a bragging thing to me. how many docs at that hospital do you think are interested in owning a plane, less than 5?
 
seems more like a bragging thing to me. how many docs at that hospital do you think are interested in owning a plane, less than 5?
Seems to me the odds of finding someone who can afford it are a lot higher in a physician's lounge than on Craigslist.
 
do you know any physician with a private jet?

:shrug:

I really don't pay much attention to such things; I know several with pilot's licenses but have no idea if they own the transportation. But I see that we are talking about jets vs planes and the considerable cost difference which I didn't see/realize. If the cost is actually $500K (as noted above), it wouldn't be outside the range of the believable for a physician to own one.

nope, because craiglist has much more exposure and reach.

Yes it does, but I was talking about the ratio of people reading who might be able to afford it. While Craigslist will reach more people, the majority of them won't be anywhere near able to afford a plane. A well to do physician is more likely to be able to do so, especially if he purchases it with a group of friends/colleagues.
 
Assuming I got into med school and payed off my debt: I would pay off my moms credit card debt that isn't her fault, buy a nice house with a back yard for my tortoises to live in, and buy an expensive mountain bike and good hiking gear (I obviously love the outdoors)

Awesome.

Somehow now that I can go buy myself pretty much whatever I want(not bragging, really), the amount of gratification I get is way less than buying stuff for loved ones. I think that's why it made me feel so good to be able to buy them nice things with my first doctor paychecks.

Dunno. Is this weird? I love my shooz and bags and whatever, but I feel like I used to get way more excited about them when they were things I had to wait and/or save for.

Careful now, that kind of talk might ruin the image of a spoiled brat you've worked so hard to build up 😉
 
craigslist is by category so I'd say if you're looking on planes on craigslist, its more likely you could afford it and be interested than a random doc.

but that is a bad comparison. trying to sell a 500k plane by a paper ad is foolish. I'm sure there are common places where planes are sold. I doubt you'd buy 2k shoes from a fellow doc on a paper ad, I'm sure there are shoe marketplaces where its much more common to sell them.
 
Not weird at all, just means you need to start setting your sights on some bigger ticket items then just shoes.

For example I got my eyes on one of these (FWIW I am a instrument rated pilot). While it may not be first doc paycheck its certainly something to save for.

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Used market has them around 5-600k for a good one. You have about 1100 nautical mile usable range which is all I need for where I am in the country.

Ha. Bigger ticket items + fancy would be dangerous. And I'm too chicken to learn to fly a plane.

I think this year I will buy some real estate for investment purposes.Should help in the tax department, been trying to find a way to write shooz purchases off as business related expenses but the IRS just laughed at me.
 
craigslist is by category so I'd say if you're looking on planes on craigslist, its more likely you could afford it and be interested than a random doc.

but that is a bad comparison. trying to sell a 500k plane by a paper ad is foolish. I'm sure there are common places where planes are sold. I doubt you'd buy 2k shoes from a fellow doc on a paper ad, I'm sure there are shoe marketplaces where its much more common to sell them.
FWIW I have never once heard a pilot say, wow did you see that plane listed on CL? Looks like a great deal and in awesome shape. There are too many factors that come into play when deciding which plane to buy (from a maintenance and safety standpoint) that I doubt any real airplane purchasers would even bother to look. Not saying there are no planes ever listed on Craigslist, but I am saying I doubt they are the 500k type planes.

Also, just for general information (in case anyone cares) there are 4 different engines in an airplane and each is more expensive then the last.
1. Piston Engine (just like a car engine basically). Least expensive to buy and maintain, but limitations include, often have less power, lose power as you go higher limiting your service ceiling to about 13,000ft, and are the second to last of the 4 on reliability.
2. Turbocharged Piston Engine: more expensive to buy and maintain, but main advantage is they maintain their power at altitude allowing you to climb up to about 25,000 ft. Since they are piston engines just with a turbo they essentially have more things to break with not other features to increase reliability, making them the least reliable of the 4.
3. Turboprop (Turbine Engine with a propellor): Is the second most expensive to buy and maintain, but great feature include high horsepower meaning the plane goes significantly faster, can clim at a very high rate, and have high service ceilings (typically around 30,000ft or so), they are extremely reliable.
4. Jet (jet engine/jet fan engine the type of engine when you think of an actual jet plane): most expensive to buy and maintain, similar features to turbo prop but increases in efficiency of design mean quieter operation (typically), higher service ceiling (sometimes up to 50,000ft, or more of military), faster speeds, reliability is on par with turboprop, both very reliable.

$500,000 can get you a lot of different planes that will be better/or worse depending on your intended use. You will see planes flying from the 70's and 80's and still be very expensive relatively because the airframe has a very long life span and unlike a car, replacing the engines is part of the maintenance of plane. Typically every 2,000 hours as just general rule, and by updating the avionics package every so often they can be just as safe as any of their brand new counter parts.

While many exceptions exist, if I had to say just general price brackets for the engine classes it would likely fall into this.

1. Piston Engine 50k-250k
2. Turbocharged Piston: 100-600k
3. Turboprop: 600k-1.5MM
4. Jet: 1.1MM+ (most expensive non commercial style plane is the Gulf Stream G650 which is something like 80MM new if I remember?)

All of those prices largely reflect the used airplane market. New planes would all likely be double the prices I listed.

Now you know.
 
Ha. Bigger ticket items + fancy would be dangerous. And I'm too chicken to learn to fly a plane.

I think this year I will buy some real estate for investment purposes.Should help in the tax department, been trying to find a way to write shooz purchases off as business related expenses but the IRS just laughed at me.
Can be considered as a work expense as you need to look presentable in front of patients and colleagues. What does the government expect you to wear, crocs?

😛
 
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seems more like a bragging thing to me. how many docs at that hospital do you think are interested in owning a plane, less than 5?
Well, normally I'd agree. But being in a rural location means you have alot of disposable income. He wasn't a deviation from the norm. People there owned mansions with ridiculous space and spent a quarter you'd spend elsewhere.
It became obvious when one of em rented out their 2000 sq foot condo to me and my classmate for 1000/month. They just didn't care, nor had to.
 
he was selling it for some reason, amirite?
Still, a jet is a jet. A plain plane is much cheaper.
I will say that 99.9% of physicians are not jet set material.
Honestly, I really want to go into a timeshare deal with other people for these private jets. The cost isn't so bad, and it's so much less of a hassle than flying by other means.
But then again, I prefer road trips with friends.
 
Honestly, I really want to go into a timeshare deal with other people for these private jets. The cost isn't so bad, and it's so much less of a hassle than flying by other means.
But then again, I prefer road trips with friends.
Forget the road trip. Flights with friends are the best. Opens up the destination possibilities much more, and the journey is much more enjoyable.
Also, if you are flying your own plane, a lot of times everyone of the passengers has their own headset and you can all talk to each other and choose songs to play off your phone that will play in the back ground of the conversation. Or if you hire a pilot and are being flown, you bring hors d'oeuvres and drinks to enjoy on the way over. Sitting in a seat that rivals the comfort of a plush leather couch it's not a bad way to travel.

You can be 1,000miles away in like 2-4 hours (depending on the plane) and when you land people greet you to take your bags and they take care of any customs/agriculture (if international) and car rental waiting right there for you just off the Tarmac.

I met an Ob/Gyn when I used to live in South Florida and he just bought the plane that I pictured earlier (Piper Mirage) and I asked him how he liked it. He said, flying commercial will never be the same again. And unless he is flying across the country or to Europe, he won't be doing it. He said he took his family on all sorts of trip in that thing, departing Miami to New Orleans, or Michigan, Vermont, North Carolina.

If you can swing it financially, I say why not. You only live once. 600k is expensive sure, but on a physicians salary it's definitely not outrageous.

My ultimate dream plane that hopefully someday I will be able to afford (if I am lucky) is a Pilatus PC-12NG. It seats 12, is a turbo prop, has a 1500mile range (half the country) non-stop, flies at 315knots, and has a huge payload capacity for luggage, people etc. Plus it's super safe and can land on some of the shortest dirt runways in the country.

But at 1.5-2MM (used) it might be a while lol. A long while.
 
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he was selling it for some reason, amirite?
Still, a jet is a jet. A plain plane is much cheaper.
I will say that 99.9% of physicians are not jet set material.
Maybe he was selling it because he needed something bigger, that had more range? You know, they do say size matters! 😛
 
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